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Good read on Mayweather!
This is just a portion of an article i was reading from 15rounds.com
http://15rounds.com/Columns/mswann/pacquiao-112407.php
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The article on BBC Sport was titled, “I’m better than Ali--Mayweather.” Well at first I thought that he must be saying that he was a better dancer than Laila, who was in the finals of “Dancing with the Stars” last year, while Floyd was axed early in this year’s competition. But it read that he meant Muhammad Ali, so then I figured that he means that he can take the 65 year old Ali today.
But the article also read that Floyd thinks he is also better than Sugar Ray Robinson and said, “I can quit today and be known as the greatest fighter that ever lived. I respect what Robinson and Ali did for the sport. But I am the greatest, and this is my time.”
First of all, Robinson was even a better dancer than Floyd. He moved up from welterweight to middleweight because he had run out of opponents. Sugar Ray KO’d 108 opponents and won 173 fights. He was a five-time middleweight champ, one of the all time best at 160, and unquestionably the best ever at 147. Robinson fought the best in the game in three decades.
It’s too early to evaluate Floyd in terms of all-time status, but it’s safe to say that at age 30, unless he does something miraculous in his final years of activity, his name will never be spoken in the same breath with Ali and Robinson.
Somehow Floyd seems to have become convinced that his boxing success translates to popularity and respect. Is he just deceiving us, trying to hype the Ricky Hatton fight, or has he been deceiving himself for believing what amounts to boxing heresy?
In all honesty, I was a huge fan of Mayweather's boxing skills and abilities, but cause of this statement, I no longer respect him what-so-ever...
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Even after the artilcle you still have to respect what Floyd has done, if not him personally, IMO. Just what SRR did AND the time in the last century when it was done speaks louder than Floyd can. All those great fights, plus the sheer #, coupled with the fact of how hard it was in a racially divided country for him to do what he did, along with others. Floyd, if he really believes what he says, should really show more respect for the people who paved the way for him to be what he is: which is a superbly talented fighter with an ego bigger than need be and a loud mouth. He should let sleeping dogs lie and be happy he'll have a place behind SRR.
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floyd is very delusional in those beleifs so why even take him seriously just get a good laugh when u read rubbish like that.
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Come on....his own fans walked out on one of his fights. How many GREATS have had that?
Good fighter with no personality or respect for anyone but himself.
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This is just a portion of an article i was reading from 15rounds.com
http://15rounds.com/Columns/mswann/pacquiao-112407.php
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
The article on BBC Sport was titled, “I’m better than Ali--Mayweather.” Well at first I thought that he must be saying that he was a better dancer than Laila, who was in the finals of “Dancing with the Stars” last year, while Floyd was axed early in this year’s competition. But it read that he meant Muhammad Ali, so then I figured that he means that he can take the 65 year old Ali today.
But the article also read that Floyd thinks he is also better than Sugar Ray Robinson and said, “I can quit today and be known as the greatest fighter that ever lived. I respect what Robinson and Ali did for the sport. But I am the greatest, and this is my time.”
First of all, Robinson was even a better dancer than Floyd. He moved up from welterweight to middleweight because he had run out of opponents. Sugar Ray KO’d 108 opponents and won 173 fights. He was a five-time middleweight champ, one of the all time best at 160, and unquestionably the best ever at 147. Robinson fought the best in the game in three decades.
It’s too early to evaluate Floyd in terms of all-time status, but it’s safe to say that at age 30, unless he does something miraculous in his final years of activity, his name will never be spoken in the same breath with Ali and Robinson.
Somehow Floyd seems to have become convinced that his boxing success translates to popularity and respect. Is he just deceiving us, trying to hype the Ricky Hatton fight, or has he been deceiving himself for believing what amounts to boxing heresy?
In all honesty, I was a huge fan of Mayweather's boxing skills and abilities, but cause of this statement, I no longer respect him what-so-ever...
Floyds always said that though? This is old news. I don't agree with him but like Legion said it's different Era's. Best kept seperate from each other because of how different they were. Too many variables to judge who was better than who from one particular era to the next. Just appreciate everybody who has been the best of their era.
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There's no doubt that Floyd is an amazing fighter, probably the best active today, but I think it is getting more and more difficult to compare today's fighters with those of the past who will have fought 100+ bouts. And to say he's better than Ali and Robinson is just Mayweather talking big.
There's more to boxing than just being undefeated, and i don't think Floyd will have faced the challenges that fighters in the past have.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Skill wise he is better than Ali, but, heart and competition is no contest what-so-ever...
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
I have to disagree with you on this one. Mayweather will be considered an ATG when he retires, he has fought the best that his era has to offer and beaten them, going on to be a multi-weight world champion and bamboozling some of the best boxers and brawlers of our time. He isn't there with Ali and Robinson, but he is not far off and I think he'd be in at 9 or 10 in the all time list.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.
No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.
You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.
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It takes enormous talent, skill, training, commitment & determination to be even half the boxer Floyd is..
It only takes 5 braincells to be as big of a wanker as Floyd too...
He's one of the top top boxers that has been, and he spends the first 20 seconds of a special about him going on about how much his rings and necklace cost... Who the f'k does he think he needs to impress??
The guy is a total f'ckin idiot who can box good...
Seriously, all the commitment he's had to put into things over this life,,,,, he put absolutely NONE into being a decent person..... In my language, that translates into someone who doesn't deserve respect from one human being to another...
From a boxer to a boxer,, fine, he's earns respect...
But as a human being,, which is what he is, he's the P4P biggest loser of all time!! He can put that as the headline to his next article... At least he can rest assured no one will dispute that statement...
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.
No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.
You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.
I think a lot of Ali's greatness comes from the times he fought and the politics going on and his commitment to bettering the world with his fame... If you read into his whole story and what things meant at certain times, and that he was still able to prevail and be a great boxer,,, I think that has added a lot of people's perceptions of his performances.... Whether that's a good or bad thing... You are not competely wrong in your opinions as there were things outside the ring that added to Ali's greatness..
That being said though, I also think if Floyd was any sort of human being worthy of having the word 'great' put in the same sentence as his name,,, then it may be a different story...... But he chooses to keep this bad attitude 'fuk you all coz I have money'... No one is a fan of that sort of sh!t!!! Ali was the people's champ.... Floyd is his own champ..... The sad thing is, FLoyd had the skills and talent to win the entire world over!!!!!! instead he wanted to spend his entire career braggin and acting like a spoilt brat...... and people remember that sort of sh!t when they think of greatness....
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It's basically more smack talking from Mayweather.
Suppose its his way of getting more attention.....
He's becoming more exicitng out of the ring than he is inside the ring.
Just waiting for ICE to bite now.....
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.
No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.
You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.
I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.
No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.
You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.
I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.
I meant about gift decision's but really and truthfully atleast 10 losses should be on Ali's record.
DQ loss to Henry Cooper smelling salts wern't allowed in UK at that time so really he should of been DQ.
Loss to Young.
2 losses to Norton
1 loss to Shavers.
He lost all of these fights imo, sorry but when i keep hearing about Mayweather's not in Ali's class etc. I have to respond if Ali would of lost all of these fights he would not be in top 10 all time list think what you want but you know yourself that is true.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.
No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.
You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.
I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.
I meant about gift decision's but really and truthfully atleast 10 losses should be on Ali's record.
DQ loss to Henry Cooper smelling salts wern't allowed in UK at that time so really he should of been DQ.
Loss to Young.
2 losses to Norton
1 loss to Shavers.
He lost all of these fights imo, sorry but when i keep hearing about Mayweather's not in Ali's class etc. I have to respond if Ali would of lost all of these fights he would not be in top 10 all time list think what you want but you know yourself that is true.
You know what i think is true?! That is your opinion...but it's just that...YOUR opinion. You are just going to have very few people sharing your opinion. You keep mentioning Young, Norton, Shavers, etc. Ali beat Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson...to name a few. He has fought some of the all time greatest fighters in the history of the sport. He has provided some of the most memorable moments in boxing history. He is a LEGEND. History will remember him. Floyd is not in that class...not now...not ever. Floyd will be extremely lucky to be mentioned in the same breath as Leonard, Duran, Hagler...the list can go on...let alone Robinson or Ali. Maybe you are not a big Ali fan or you are just a huge Floyd fan...but history speaks for itself.
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I think mayweather is a good boxer but he is cocky. He said that he is the best boxer of all time and is bettter than Mohammed ali
Skill wise he is better than Ali.
Not really. Ali at his absolute prime was as good a boxer and athlete the sport has ever seen. And to think he was a heavyweight...mind boggling really. No question Floyd possesses great skills and defense...but he will never...not now...not after he retires be mentioned in the same class as an Ali or Robinson. He probably wont even crack the top ten all time greatest list. Floyd only wishes he can talk himself into the top spot as the ATG.
Ali did most things wrong, where as Mayweather is one of the best technically skilled fighters out there Mayweather beats Ali in skills by a landslide.
The same class as Ali ?? Ali wouldn't even be in top 10 if he wouldn't of got lucky decisions against Norton, Shavers, Young,
Ice, you normally have logical posts and responses...but that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this board.
No it isn't im saying *if* he lost those fights and imo he did and alot of people will agree.
You can make an arguement that he was lucky in atleast 7 of his fights.
I don't see a lot of people agreeing with you.
I meant about gift decision's but really and truthfully atleast 10 losses should be on Ali's record.
DQ loss to Henry Cooper smelling salts wern't allowed in UK at that time so really he should of been DQ.
Loss to Young.
2 losses to Norton
1 loss to Shavers.
He lost all of these fights imo, sorry but when i keep hearing about Mayweather's not in Ali's class etc. I have to respond if Ali would of lost all of these fights he would not be in top 10 all time list think what you want but you know yourself that is true.
You know what i think is true?! That is your opinion...but it's just that...YOUR opinion. You are just going to have very few people sharing your opinion. You keep mentioning Young, Norton, Shavers, etc. Ali beat Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson...to name a few. He has fought some of the all time greatest fighters in the history of the sport. He has provided some of the most memorable moments in boxing history. He is a LEGEND. History will remember him. Floyd is not in that class...not now...not ever. Floyd will be extremely lucky to be mentioned in the same breath as Leonard, Duran, Hagler...the list can go on...let alone Robinson or Ali. Maybe you are not a big Ali fan or you are just a huge Floyd fan...but history speaks for itself.
You called my comment ridiculous so im just pointing where i think Ali should have atleast 10 losses on his record all i was saying if Ali would of lost these fights he would not be in 10 of all time with 10 losses on his record.
If Mayweather beats Cotto, Williams, Mosley, then he is well up there in All Time P4P list.
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Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.
Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.
Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.
You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.
If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.
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Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.
Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.
Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.
You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.
If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.
First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather ???
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Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.
Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.
Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.
You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.
If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.
First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather ???
Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.
Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.
Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.
Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.
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Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.
Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.
Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.
You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.
If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.
First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather ???
Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.
Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.
Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.
Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.
As well as those other dudes you mention all actually having been beat in some of their fights, the basic facts will state that Mayweather's opponents have had more wins and greater win ratios than anyone else's opponents in the p4p list.
Here's a link to some of that stats analysis I did during the summer:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,50065.0.html
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Re: Good read on Mayweather!
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Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.
Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.
Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.
You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.
If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.
First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather ???
Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.
Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.
Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.
Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.
You say Oscar was old and his career wasn't noteworthy at that time well can't we say the same about Barrera and Morales who were both old and past there prime ?? Mayweather's resume is far better than Pacquiao's even biggest Mayweather haters know this.
Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.
Winky has few good wins on his record but how can you sit there with a straight face and tell me Wright's resume is better than Mayweather's ?? he wasn't cheated out against Taylor and Vargas, Vargas won there fight and Taylor vs Wright was close but even if you think Wright won these it doesn't matter it still counts as a loss on the record and a draw.
Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.
So beating an old shot Vargas and beating Oscar De La Hoya, makes Mosley's resume better than Mayweather's get real.
Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.
It doesn't matter how well they performed in there losses there resumes still aren't as good as Mayweather's hell by your logic Quarry has a better resume than Mayweather because he lost to Ali, Fraizer, Norton,
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WoW!!! Superheavy, that was probably one of the most interesting things I've ever read. If i could CC you, I would. But I got a couple most posts before I could do that.
Numerically, everything you said was well justified. You should really put that in a boxing column somewhere. I'm sure someone will take it in.
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Mayweather has Castillo and Corrales in their primes on his resume. De La Hoya is a part-time fighter and at this stage in his career isn't as noteworthy to have on your victory list. Other than those people, I don't really give him much credit for beating anyone else. Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir are names but not good fighters.
Ali has Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Patterson, Liston, Norton to just name a few.
Sugar Ray Leonard has wins over Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. AND he fought those guys multiple times with the exception of Hagler.
You can even make arguments that people who are currently fighting now like Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, and Winky Wright (the most screwed fighter ever!) have much better resumes than Mayweathers.
If Floyd goes on to beat Hatton and then Cotto and then any of the other elite welterweights (Williams, Cintron, and Margarito), then Floyd will have proper background to those statements he is making.
First off Mayweather has alot more better wins than your giving him credit for i'll list them now.
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
And second how does Pacquiao, Wright, Mosley, have better resumes than Mayweather ???
Pacquiao has Barrera(twice) and Morales(in a trilogy) on his resume which speaks for itself. Who has Mayweather beaten that were ATGs? Even though I felt Marquez was the man of the night when they fought, if it wasn't for a judge's error on the scorecard, Pacquiao would have a victory against Marquez.
Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.
Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.
Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.
You say Oscar was old and his career wasn't noteworthy at that time well can't we say the same about Barrera and Morales who were both old and past there prime ?? Mayweather's resume is far better than Pacquiao's even biggest Mayweather haters know this.
Winky has a good resume. Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley (twice). He got cheated out against Taylor and Vargas. And he may have lost but it was much closer than the judges had it against Hopkins.
Winky has few good wins on his record but how can you sit there with a straight face and tell me Wright's resume is better than Mayweather's ?? he wasn't cheated out against Taylor and Vargas, Vargas won there fight and Taylor vs Wright was close but even if you think Wright won these it doesn't matter it still counts as a loss on the record and a draw.
Mosely has Vargas(twice) and De La Hoya(twice). But he's been in the ring with Wright and Cotto. I still think Mosley's resume is nicer than Floyd's but not by much.
So beating an old shot Vargas and beating Oscar De La Hoya, makes Mosley's resume better than Mayweather's get real.
Even though these three have losses in their records, their showings in those losses and their level of competition is much higher than Floyd's list.
It doesn't matter how well they performed in there losses there resumes still aren't as good as Mayweather's hell by your logic Quarry has a better resume than Mayweather because he lost to Ali, Fraizer, Norton,
You have very good points. But that's the thing about boxing, it's very opinionated. No one person can be completely proven right or wrong.
I have to somewhat disagree with the Barrera and Morales statement though. No doubt in my mind that the second fight with Barrera and the third fight with Morales they were both not the same. But the first time Barrera fought Pacquiao, Barrera was still at the top of his game and was just outperformed. The first fight with Morales, Morales was 28 I believe and in no way shot. The second fight people blamed Morales for having hard time making weight but I think people don't give Pacquiao enough credit. Round 6 of Pacquiao vs Morales II was the round that turned the fight in favor or Pacquiao. I have never seen Morales take a beating worse than that. Any fighter who was hit with those shots would eventually fall.
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WoW!!! Superheavy, that was probably one of the most interesting things I've ever read. If i could CC you, I would. But I got a couple most posts before I could do that.
Numerically, everything you said was well justified. You should really put that in a boxing column somewhere. I'm sure someone will take it in.
Cheers bro....I was in a boring job in the summer and had lots of time doing very little some afternoons, so I thought I'd put it to good use. :p And cc back ;).
