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Hatton - keys to possible victory.
Ricky Hatton must use the following to hav eany chance of victory :
1. Use his strength to bully Floyd to the ropes as often as he can.
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Flyd will pot shot with upercuts inside.
3. Try to avoid bad cuts , as Floyds accurate shots could cut Ricky to ribbons.
4. Hit the body often and as hard as possible , he has to slow Floyds footspeed down to stand any chance.
5. He has to gain Floyds respect by hurting him.
6. The power part will be interesting , Hatton is no 1 punch bomber , but lets not forget , Floyd started as SFW , Hatton is a naturally bigger man , so maybe the power of his body shots may suprise Floyd.
7. Hatton is famous for his work rate but has struggled at Welter , he must work for 3 mins of every round , punch punch punch , but must use a better defence than he has before.
8. He must be adaptable if he has a bad round . ie. if he is floored or hurt or cut , he must have plan B and C to carry him through rough patches. ( of which there will be plenty )
9. If and its a big if , he has Floyd hurt he must keep on top of him , i dont feel Floyd is likely to lose a points fight , unless Hatton is a mile in front.
10. He must keep his cool when Floyd is trying to toy with him , Hatton hasnt been rattled yet but the fight will bring different senario's , if Floyd hits low then Ricky has to give some back.
All in all Ricky Hatton has a chance to pull of one of, if not the best win by a British fighter.Yes he may be badly beaten , but its kinda a no loose fight for Ricky , as most American fans think he will be beaten , and if he was to win WOW the sky is the limit.
please give me your views on this guys im interested to see wot the English and American fans and any other for that matter think :)
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Hatton has to set a fast pace never giving floyd a seconds brake.He has to be smart though trying to get on the inside if he just walks in straight lines and no head movment he is in trouble.
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A possible key to victory and an intriguing possibility would be a cut to Floyd...
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I dont think a cut would be all that bad especially if Miguel Diaz is in his corner the best in the business. Hatton needs to bod and weave under mayweather jab, pressure him into corners and go to work with a constant body assault.
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What jab? Mayweathers combination starter and lead punch is the straight right...Saw him use the jab in the DLH fight but before that it was a long time since i saw him employ it. He does use it to the body but i don't see him using iot much.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
let me start off by saying as an American i still HOPE hatton cleans mayweathers clock! I really want someone to shut him up, and i would love for no one other than hatton to be the guy to do it. Technically however, mayweather is a fantastic athlete and to beat him ricky would have to put on a perfect performance, and really take away his speed.
However mayweather has a an extremely accurate jab, and uses it frequently. Castillo, corrales, baldomir, ODLH come to mind with his jab that may not have a lot of sting on them, but its in his opponents face and is quite affective.
If you look at the 2 hardest fights for Floyd it was castillo (which i think he lost) and ODLH. Castillo was relentless with his body work, and ODLH was being pretty effective with his jab. So, i see hatton taking a page out of Castillo's fight with floyd. And who knows, now that ODLH is helping ricky, maybe he can give ricky a few things to look for.
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That is true perhaps Oscar mnay help him out, but i wouldn't be so sure...
Ricky's own jab could be a great help, but i don't see him using it at all...
He's like a little Joe Frazier since the Tszyu fight.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly wrong in my predictions :dunce:
Here's me if I'm wrong........................................ :moped:
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Floyd is a wonderful fighter i just wish he had some class outside the ring.
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If Hatton stays focus and uses all of his strength he can win the match but its not going to be easy.
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Very good thoughts here so far, i think hatton is ready and prepared to carry out his gameplan as all floyds opponets have been, it just never materializes when the bell rings, i belive that floyd is much faster, stronger, smarter, and harder to hit than opponets think.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly wrong in my predictions :dunce:
Here's me if I'm wrong........................................ :moped:
Well if he hits the body like you say (and i believe) he has to, then i dont think he has to win by the 6th round. Look at Castillo, he did a good job to the body and floyd was alot slower and grabby towards the end of that fight.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
I love Ricky Hatton and think if Floyd is gonna lose to someone I think Hatton deserves the acclaim and accolade.
I think there are alot of things people point to as keys to Victory and point to the Tszyu victory as his crowning moment. I just feel that Hatton has to be 4x as good as he was in the Tszyu fight and put on a once in a lifetime performance.
Floyd can have a semi awkward or not 100% Floyd night and still win and to me thats the difference.
Tszyu is a european trained fighter who is bred to take create and have enough distance to study and make adjustments, not have someone on your chest ruffing you up. Floyd has fought bigger men and has continually been the smaller man, so Hattons strength wont bother Floyd too much. Also the tolerance of certain tactics and constant Hitting, Holding etc will probably not be tolerated. Hatton better pray to God he dosent get a Ref that calls break immediatly when the clinch if so he has even a lesser chance of winning to put it mildly.
Good Luck to both and may they both come out of this win or lose 10000000000000000% safe and able to enjoy there family life ;)
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Oh this is easy...
... Cut off the ring. Simple. Hatton already knows the rest. But he should spar with cutting off the ring in mind. That's it. The rest is just "Be Ricky." But first he must get there, and to do that he must cut off the ring.
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Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
That was a dive.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly wrong in my predictions :dunce:
Here's me if I'm wrong........................................ :moped:
Well if he hits the body like you say (and i believe) he has to, then i dont think he has to win by the 6th round. Look at Castillo, he did a good job to the body and floyd was alot slower and grabby towards the end of that fight.
I only say by the 6th round because the storm I see Ricky trying to unleash on Floyd{successful or not}, cannot be expected to be kept on pace through all 12 rounds. Ricky will have to work harder than he did with Castillo, and Floyd's not going to give him any freebies like Jose did, so his attack will have to be successful pretty early on, as if it's not he will gas out. Between unleashing a blitz on Floyd and getting punched the whole time, it will tax him, and once he gasses Floyd will literally inhale him. I don't think I'm alone when I say the only way Rick can beat Floyd is tons of effective pressure to his body, and while Rick is getting more and more tired Floyd will still be fresh in the later rounds and will do a complete body wax on Ricky, unless Rick can break that body. I'm not a hater as anyone who knows me knows I want Ricky to win, but as I said before I'll be happy if Ricky is still standing{on his own} at the last round :-\ Floyd by 7th or 8th round tko. {Here come the Silent Sad Clicks :'(}
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Flyd will pot shot with upercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
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Oscar, a much bigger puncher than HAtton at a higher weight, hit Mayweahter with plenty of body shots to no great effect, Castillo didn't slow down MAyweather all that much with body shots, and at his best he was just as good as Hatton with the left hook to the body. What Hatton needs to do is plant his head just right so that Mayweather's fist always hits him in the forhead, it will open him up to uppercuts, but if he gets Mayweather's hand broken it will be much easier to put pressure on him because the counter rights won't be as hard. I know it sounds like a joke, but its a strategy I've seen plenty of times. Or Hatton can use his head ala Holyfield, Hopkins, I've always wondered how Floyd would deal with that. The only problem though is that Mayweather likes to push off with his elbow which might cut HAtton badly.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Flyd will pot shot with upercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually thats incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think there are alot of things people point to as keys to Victory and point to the Tszyu victory as his crowning moment. I just feel that Hatton has to be 4x as good as he was in the Tszyu fight and put on a once in a lifetime performance.
I agree 100%
CC
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly wrong in my predictions :dunce:
Here's me if I'm wrong........................................ :moped:
I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside. I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws. If Ricky has enough footspeed and movement to get inside, those angles will give Ricky a CHANCE to hurt Floyd to the body. Castillo throws to the body, but I think Ricky has better inside footwork to get clean shots to the body, especially the liver and the kidneys (yes, I know kidney shots are illegal, but they happen). Without the inside footwork to create better punching opening, Floyd will just deflect the body shots like he did against Oscar and to a degree Castillo.
From Taeth:
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What Hatton needs to do is plant his head just right so that Mayweather's fist always hits him in the forhead, it will open him up to uppercuts, but if he gets Mayweather's hand broken it will be much easier to put pressure on him because the counter rights won't be as hard.
I think you are on to something with that. Use the hard part of the head to block and deflect and hope to break a hand. He wouldn't be the first, and it would make the fight more winable for Hatton if Floyd breaks a paw.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly wrong in my predictions :dunce:
Here's me if I'm wrong........................................ :moped:
I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside. I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws. If Ricky has enough footspeed and movement to get inside, those angles will give Ricky a CHANCE to hurt Floyd to the body. Castillo throws to the body, but I think Ricky has better inside footwork to get clean shots to the body, especially the liver and the kidneys (yes, I know kidney shots are illegal, but they happen). Without the inside footwork to create better punching opening, Floyd will just deflect the body shots like he did against Oscar and to a degree Castillo.
From Taeth:
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What Hatton needs to do is plant his head just right so that Mayweather's fist always hits him in the forhead, it will open him up to uppercuts, but if he gets Mayweather's hand broken it will be much easier to put pressure on him because the counter rights won't be as hard.
I think you are on to something with that. Use the hard part of the head to block and deflect and hope to break a hand. He wouldn't be the first, and it would make the fight more winable for Hatton if Floyd breaks a paw.
I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside.
Yes that is correct but for Hatton to do all his best work he needs to stay on the inside Mayweather will not allow Hatton to get close enough to use angles on the inside.
I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws.
Maybe so but Mayweather has fought plenty of swarmer's before so Mayweather knows what to expect Hatton has only fought one fast fighter in his career so this is new territory for Hatton stylistic wise.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
Quite easily Mayweather had bad injury to his shoulder in the 1st Castillo. And in rematch outboxed Castillo easily so whats your point ??
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Floyd will pot shot with uppercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually that's incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Actually son that's a well known fact that the cross armed defence is a good antidote for the uppercut on the inside !!!!!!!! doesn't always work but generally does. A few black lumps and bumps and a win , are better than having your head taken off by Floyd's counters , SEE MY POINT ????????
When did Larry Holmes "ONCE" tell you this? when u were in kindergarden ?? lol :Sarcasm:
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Floyd will pot shot with uppercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually that's incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Actually son that's a well known fact that the cross armed defence is a good antidote for the uppercut on the inside !!!!!!!! doesn't always work but generally does. A few black lumps and bumps and a win , are better than having your head taken off by Floyd's counters , SEE MY POINT ????????
When did Larry Holmes "ONCE" tell you this? when u were in kindergarden ?? lol :Sarcasm:
Here you go.
THE CROSS OVER DEFENSE IS NOT THE BEST SINCE YOU LEAVE YOUR UPPER HEAD OPEN AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN WHEN YOU DROP YOUR ARMS. YOU ARE OPEN FOR UPPERCUTS AND MORE BLACK EYES.
it may confuse them but after a while your opponnet will see you open up and shot some uppercuts and head shots. A good fighter will adapt to the fight. you don't fight fighters you fight styles.
Thats a quote from Larry Holmes himself.
http://larryholmes.com/message_board...ighlight=#2330
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Floyd will pot shot with uppercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually that's incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Actually son that's a well known fact that the cross armed defence is a good antidote for the uppercut on the inside !!!!!!!! doesn't always work but generally does. A few black lumps and bumps and a win , are better than having your head taken off by Floyd's counters , SEE MY POINT ????????
When did Larry Holmes "ONCE" tell you this? when u were in kindergarden ?? lol :Sarcasm:
Here you go.
THE CROSS OVER DEFENSE IS NOT THE BEST SINCE YOU LEAVE YOUR UPPER HEAD OPEN AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN WHEN YOU DROP YOUR ARMS. YOU ARE OPEN FOR UPPERCUTS AND MORE BLACK EYES.
it may confuse them but after a while your opponnet will see you open up and shot some uppercuts and head shots. A good fighter will adapt to the fight. you don't fight fighters you fight styles.
Thats a quote from Larry Holmes himself.
http://larryholmes.com/message_board...ighlight=#2330
Although I'm not particularly bothered by what Larry Holmes has to say. I admit that i realise that to twist, turn & roll away from shots against Mayweather (if your Hatton) would actually be a very very bad idea.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
Quite easily Mayweather had bad injury to his shoulder in the 1st Castillo. And in rematch outboxed Castillo
easily so whats your point ??
Maybe you should watch that second fight again. 115-113 isn't an easy day by anyones means. Also, those body punches by Castillo had a tremendous effect on floyds movement, yes his legs, not his arm. Repetitive body shots can damage/slow down/ immobilize the best of the best athletes in the world. Yes even Floyd, which we saw before.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
Quite easily Mayweather had bad injury to his shoulder in the 1st Castillo. And in rematch outboxed Castillo
easily so whats your point ??
Maybe you should watch that second fight again. 115-113 isn't an easy day by anyones means. Also, those body punches by Castillo had a tremendous effect on floyds movement, yes his legs, not his arm. Repetitive body shots can damage/slow down/ immobilize the best of the best athletes in the world. Yes even Floyd, which we saw before.
Mayweather was clear winner by atleast 4 rounds on my card.
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Not to use his Jab just show it.
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Not to use his Jab just show it.
Oscar did okay at that. Juda too.
Eventually they both ended up using imaginary nunchucks ::**
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Not to use his Jab just show it.
Oscar did okay at that. Juda too.
Eventually they both ended up using imaginary nunchucks ::**
LOL. The only way Hatton wins this is if EA Sports puts this on a videogame ;D
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gotta admit, thats a good one. ;D
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gotta admit, thats a good one. ;D
Thanks BD, I'm just funning with Lefty Lee trying to get him to take the bait ;D
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Originally Posted by RozzySean
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Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
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I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside. I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws. If Ricky has enough footspeed and movement to get inside, those angles will give Ricky a CHANCE to hurt Floyd to the body. Castillo throws to the body, but I think Ricky has better inside footwork to get clean shots to the body, especially the liver and the kidneys (yes, I know kidney shots are illegal, but they happen). Without the inside footwork to create better punching opening, Floyd will just deflect the body shots like he did against Oscar and to a degree Castillo.
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What Hatton needs to do is plant his head just right so that Mayweather's fist always hits him in the forhead, it will open him up to uppercuts, but if he gets Mayweather's hand broken it will be much easier to put pressure on him because the counter rights won't be as hard.
I think you are on to something with that. Use the hard part of the head to block and deflect and hope to break a hand. He wouldn't be the first, and it would make the fight more winable for Hatton if Floyd breaks a paw.
I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside.
Yes that is correct but for Hatton to do all his best work he needs to stay on the inside Mayweather will not allow Hatton to get close enough to use angles on the inside.
I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws.
Maybe so but Mayweather has fought plenty of swarmer's before so Mayweather knows what to expect Hatton has only fought one fast fighter in his career so this is new territory for Hatton stylistic wise.
You are 100% correct that Hatton does his best work inside, and you may be right the Floyd won't let him get inside, but that question is still up for debate. Hatton has quicker feet and better balance than many of the swarmers Floyd has fought. I think there is a chance Ricky can cut off the ring and work is way inside enough to be effective, at least at times. I'm convinced he'll be able to win some early rounds, if only on workrate, but as Floyds accurate shots continue to land (and only a fool would doubt that Floyd will make Ricky pay for trying to get inside), Ricky might lose the ability and/or will to get himself into punching position. If Ricky can't hurt and slow down Floyd with early body work, Rick can't win. Oscar, with slower feet, was able to get off to the body, but that never really hurt Floyd because he wasn't able get angles. If Ricky gets angles and do real damage, he'll give himself a chance.
Style-wise, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see Ricky up against Floyd's speed...you are right he doesn't have so much experience against Floyd's style.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Mayweather will win, but Ricky is a pretty unique fighter and he will put Floyd to a pretty good test.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
Hatton needs to apply the same pressure that Castillo put on Floyd, maybe even more.
Hatton needs to continue on with his "bread and butter," the body attack.
One thing I don't hear people mention is that Ricky is an exceptional lunging puncher. Floyd backs up and raises his hands when he sees his opponent set his feet and cocks their arm. And the result is, Floyd NEARLY gets hit but gets out of the way EVERYTIME! With Hatton's ability in lunging and punching, we may finally see Floyd get hit!
Other than those three things on my mind, Ricky has to be on top of his game and Floyd can't be on his. When Mayweather is "in the zone," no one can touch him.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Floyd will pot shot with uppercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually that's incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Actually son that's a well known fact that the cross armed defence is a good antidote for the uppercut on the inside !!!!!!!! doesn't always work but generally does. A few black lumps and bumps and a win , are better than having your head taken off by Floyd's counters , SEE MY POINT ????????
When did Larry Holmes "ONCE" tell you this? when u were in kindergarden ?? lol :Sarcasm:
Here you go.
THE CROSS OVER DEFENSE IS NOT THE BEST SINCE YOU LEAVE YOUR UPPER HEAD OPEN AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN WHEN YOU DROP YOUR ARMS. YOU ARE OPEN FOR UPPERCUTS AND MORE BLACK EYES.
it may confuse them but after a while your opponnet will see you open up and shot some uppercuts and head shots. A good fighter will adapt to the fight. you don't fight fighters you fight styles.
Thats a quote from Larry Holmes himself.
http://larryholmes.com/message_board...ighlight=#2330
YES BUT I THINK WITH RICKY'S SIDE TO SIDE HEAD MOVEMENT AND APPLYING THE CROSS ARMED DEFENCE AGAINEST MAYWEATHER will work on the inside.
as for the Larry Holmes QUOTE how on earth can that apply to every fight ? with 2 different fighters ? different divisions ? ............im talking only about THIS FIGHT Hatton Mayweather and my opinion on wot will work , anyway u may not have realised Larry Holmes GREAT fighter that he was , was a trash talker who said alot of BULLSHIT things :)
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
But if you watch fights closely the cross arm defense isn't good on inside because you actually do get hit with uppercuts plus Hatton would have to be leaning Mayweather's chest and have to be shoulder to shoulder with Mayweather and because Mayweather is turned to the side at all times the cross arm defense just wouldn't work in this case.
