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Who's stock went down the most this year?
Theres been some great fights and fighters this year, but some guys were a bit of a disapointment. Who do you think was the biggest flop this year?
I'll start with a few punchers who disapointed this year:
Vic Darchinyan-Got knocked the hell out with a perfect punch by Nonito Donaire. Couldn't have happened to a bigger jerk.
Samuel Peter- Got up off the canvas THREE times to outpoint fringe contender, big pussy, Jameel McCline. So much for him being a feared puncher.
Edison Miranda-Got blasted out in 6 rounds by Kelly Pavlik. Since Pavlik is now the MW Champ, the loss doesn't look too bad. But still hurts Miranda's image of being such a feared fighter.
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Castillo.
Vargas.
So many more...but I'm just too hammered off of TUACA to think right now. :drunks:
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I think Taylor's stock dropped after his loss to Pavlik.. He went from being undefeated, to losing titles by getting KO'd by Pavlik.. someone who wasn't a former champ or champ at the time. Even though people had their doubts in Jermain, i still think now that there is a loss on his record, it almost magnifies what people were saying about his "gift decisions" of the past, and it questions him more as a fighter.
BUT i think that the fact that he is taking the rematch keeps his stock up there in question.. he could avenge his loss possibly forcing a 3rd fight, which would be quite interesting.
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Theres been some great fights and fighters this year, but some guys were a bit of a disapointment. Who do you think was the biggest flop this year?
I'll start with a few punchers who disapointed this year:
Vic Darchinyan-Got knocked the hell out with a perfect punch by Nonito Donaire. Couldn't have happened to a bigger jerk.
Samuel Peter- Got up off the canvas THREE times to outpoint fringe contender, big pussy, Jameel McCline. So much for him being a feared puncher.
Edison Miranda-Got blasted out in 6 rounds by Kelly Pavlik. Since Pavlik is now the MW Champ, the loss doesn't look too bad. But still hurts Miranda's image of being such a feared fighter.
Not to be picky but Miranda got smoked in the 7th round. And lo and behold JT got smacked in the 7th round too. I see JT's stock going down as much if not moe than Miranda's. as he WAS the MW champion. Tony Margarito's went down a bit I suppose as he was supposed to beat PW but came up short.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
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Taylor's stock has been down...but yeah...it burnt to ashes in about 20 some odd minutes against Pavlik...Miranda too.
Good points.
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Good calls on Castillo and especially Mora. Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**
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Not that it was high in the first place but the drop was still dramatic even though from a low level. "Asthma Man" Shannon Briggs.
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I think Taylor's stock dropped after his loss to Pavlik.. He went from being undefeated, to losing titles by getting KO'd by Pavlik.. someone who wasn't a former champ or champ at the time. Even though people had their doubts in Jermain, i still think now that there is a loss on his record, it almost magnifies what people were saying about his "gift decisions" of the past, and it questions him more as a fighter.
BUT i think that the fact that he is taking the rematch keeps his stock up there in question.. he could avenge his loss possibly forcing a 3rd fight, which would be quite interesting.
As I read the topic Taylors the 1st name that came to mind.
Others that spring to mind:
Vic
Arce
Valuev
Sturm
Ouma
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I think Taylor's stock dropped after his loss to Pavlik.. He went from being undefeated, to losing titles by getting KO'd by Pavlik.. someone who wasn't a former champ or champ at the time. Even though people had their doubts in Jermain, i still think now that there is a loss on his record, it almost magnifies what people were saying about his "gift decisions" of the past, and it questions him more as a fighter.
BUT i think that the fact that he is taking the rematch keeps his stock up there in question.. he could avenge his loss possibly forcing a 3rd fight, which would be quite interesting.
In truth, Taylor's stock dropped even BEFORE the Pavlik fight. The fact that he nearly lost to Cory Spinks really damaged his reputation.
Cory Spinks got KO'd by a small welterweight. And he almost beat Jermain.
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I think Taylor's stock dropped after his loss to Pavlik.. He went from being undefeated, to losing titles by getting KO'd by Pavlik.. someone who wasn't a former champ or champ at the time. Even though people had their doubts in Jermain, i still think now that there is a loss on his record, it almost magnifies what people were saying about his "gift decisions" of the past, and it questions him more as a fighter.
BUT i think that the fact that he is taking the rematch keeps his stock up there in question.. he could avenge his loss possibly forcing a 3rd fight, which would be quite interesting.
In truth, Taylor's stock dropped even BEFORE the Pavlik fight. The fact that he
nearly lost to Cory Spinks really damaged his reputation.
Cory Spinks got KO'd by a small welterweight. And he almost beat Jermain.
True. I guess Pavlik just made his stock plummet ;D
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O Neil Bell just because he has only had 1 fight this year and that loss seems to have effected him i remember last year how people were saying he was number 1 in division how things change in 1 year.
Antonio Tarver
Felix Sturm
Luis Collazo
Amir Khan
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Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**
His stock goes up and down more then Jenna Jameson does in a movie. ;D
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
A 10th round ko win? I know he struggled a little, but not many ppl had much hope for him after the Margarito fight. His stock went up miles with the destruction of Matthyse, and dropped slightly last fight. Still up from this time last year.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
A 10th round ko win? I know he struggled a little, but not many ppl had much hope for him after the Margarito fight. His stock went up miles with the destruction of Matthyse, and dropped slightly last fight. Still up from this time last year.
I just think he was on a nice little roll and the way he struggled with Feliciano thats big step back imo he was losing too many rounds against a guy he was supposed to blast out of there inside of 3 if you read most of the comments on here your see what i mean.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
I disagree with most of these to be honest. Very few rated Cintron at the start of the year as anything beyond a puncher. If anything his stock was rising until his fight with Feliciano now he's just back where he was at the start of the year certainly no worse.
Castillo's stock hasn't dropped in a legacy defining sense, he just got old and has had too many wars. Nobody denies he was still a great great fighter and borderline hall of fame possibility.
Vargas has just shown us that he has nothing left, his overall legacy as a fighter wasn't dependant on the Mayorga fight he's just finished that's all.
Zab Judah started the year as one of the most maligned and ridiculed fighters in boxing. His loss to Cotto if anything raised his stock slightly as it showed his chin and heart wern't as weak as is often suggested.
Sam Peter I guess you could say got exposed kind of after having been caught by McCline, but he weathered the storm and came back to win which few fighters so in that situation so he's still the best heavy without a belt for me.
Miranda's HBO hype bubble was certainly burst though, agree with that one.
As for Mora I think only myself and Danny G ever rated him anyway so a draw after a year's layoff probably didn't change many people's minds one way or the other.
For myself the biggest losers are as follows.
Jermain Taylor, one poor showing after another then to get knocked out, his name is mud prerry much now.
Joel Casamayor, From being the ultra avoided Ring Champ and undisputedly The Man at lightweight, he's now become an old sluggish weary fighter whose about as exciting to watch as Zahir Raheem and who hung onto his belt only thanks to one of the worst judging decisions in recent history.
Acelino Freitas, not because he lost to Juan Diaz, no disgrace in that but quitting on his stool for the second time in his career will be a stain on his legacy forever. He'll forever be known as a quitter.
Jorge Arce. So popular and exciting to watch but we've learned in his last two fights that he's not nearly the best super flyweight in the world and is never going to be the unifying champion HBO made him out to be.
Darchinyan, same as Arce his chin looks weak, his defense poor and now he's playing catchup to guys like Donaire, Mijares, Naito etc.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
A 10th round ko win? I know he struggled a little, but not many ppl had much hope for him after the Margarito fight. His stock went up miles with the destruction of Matthyse, and dropped slightly last fight. Still up from this time last year.
I just think he was on a nice little roll and the way he struggled with Feliciano thats big step back imo he was losing too many rounds against a guy he was supposed to blast out of there inside of 3 if you read most of the comments on here your see what i mean.
But this time last year he was a fringe contender best remembered for quitting against Margo. Now he has a fight against Williams and is seen as a top 5 welter. Stock has gone up.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
The Feliciano fight was supposed to be warm up fight for his upcoming fight with Williams no gave Feliciano a chance he was supposed to be fall guy and he was supposed to be stopped inside of 3. Cintron looked pretty bad and he lost alot of rounds infact there wasn't much in the fight maybe 1 round 2 at the max he looked discouraged and he was lucky he wern't in with someone who can put there punches together maybe its just me but i was starting to see some good things from Cintron now after his fight with Feliciano i think he has gone back to where he was.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
The Feliciano fight was supposed to be warm up fight for his upcoming fight with Williams no gave Feliciano a chance he was supposed to be fall guy and he was supposed to be stopped inside of 3. Cintron looked pretty bad and he lost alot of rounds infact there wasn't much in the fight maybe 1 round 2 at the max he looked discouraged and he was lucky he wern't in with someone who can put there punches together maybe its just me but i was starting to see some good things from Cintron now after his fight with Feliciano i think he has gone back to where he was.
The thread is whos stock went down the most. Not who's stock stayed the same......
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
A 10th round ko win? I know he struggled a little, but not many ppl had much hope for him after the Margarito fight. His stock went up miles with the destruction of Matthyse, and dropped slightly last fight. Still up from this time last year.
I just think he was on a nice little roll and the way he struggled with Feliciano thats big step back imo he was losing too many rounds against a guy he was supposed to blast out of there inside of 3 if you read most of the comments on here your see what i mean.
But this time last year he was a fringe contender best remembered for quitting against Margo. Now he has a fight against Williams and is seen as a top 5 welter. Stock has gone up.
Quite alot of people thought he had good chance to win Williams fight go ask them same people and still see if they still think the same.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
Good post mate.. I agree mick . Cintron had a live man in front of him. hats off to Jesse for giving it his best. no way
Cintron stock goes down on that match. Jesse stock also climbed a bit you ask me. I also believe that Cintron was fighting through some adversity in regards to a bad hand or rib in the match. still over came and won with impressive knockout victory , these are all positives
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
The Feliciano fight was supposed to be warm up fight for his upcoming fight with Williams no gave Feliciano a chance he was supposed to be fall guy and he was supposed to be stopped inside of 3. Cintron looked pretty bad and he lost alot of rounds infact there wasn't much in the fight maybe 1 round 2 at the max he looked discouraged and he was lucky he wern't in with someone who can put there punches together maybe its just me but i was starting to see some good things from Cintron now after his fight with Feliciano i think he has gone back to where he was.
The thread is whos stock went down the most. Not who's stock stayed the same......
I worded that last bit wrong my mistake but people thought Cintron was a major playa in the Welterweight division and he was seen as much improved fighter now his stock has gone even lower imo.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
Good post mate.. I agree mick . Cintron had a live man infront of him. hats off to Jesse for giving it his best. no way
Cintron stock goes down on that match. Jesse stock also climbed a bit you ask me.
Yes but did you think that before the fight ?? its ok looking at the fight with hindsight but i can assure you the only person on this forum who thought Feliciano would make it into 5th was me.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
The Feliciano fight was supposed to be warm up fight for his upcoming fight with Williams no gave Feliciano a chance he was supposed to be fall guy and he was supposed to be stopped inside of 3. Cintron looked pretty bad and he lost alot of rounds infact there wasn't much in the fight maybe 1 round 2 at the max he looked discouraged and he was lucky he wern't in with someone who can put there punches together maybe its just me but i was starting to see some good things from Cintron now after his fight with Feliciano i think he has gone back to where he was.
I'm not sure where your getting the "Inside of 3" from but Jesses got heart and Jesse was on a roll from the Philips fight to even the draw with Gomez and his latest win over Delvin showed he was someone that possesed some type of danger if taken lightly. Maybe Cintron did take Jesse lightly and almost paid the price but Cintron still won and to me action packed fights like this one can help your stock rise. In this case I think it will, plus people still have the Matthysse KO embeded in their minds.
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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora
Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.
How exactly did Cintrons stock go down? He has had 2 ko wins this year.
His last outing ;)
He did win right?
I mean come on, a guy get's a good tuff opponent that's durable and has clearly shown he's got loads of heart and wont back down.
That's suposse to make his stock drop?
I could understand if he had gotten beaten up pretty bad but even in the rounds in which Jesse outlanded Cintron, Cintron still managed to land the cleaner harder punches? Matter a fact I think Cintron struggled more with Estrada then what he did with Jesse and the Estrada fight actually made his stock rise. I also think his last 2 fights have helped his stock rise.
The Feliciano fight was supposed to be warm up fight for his upcoming fight with Williams no gave Feliciano a chance he was supposed to be fall guy and he was supposed to be stopped inside of 3. Cintron looked pretty bad and he lost alot of rounds infact there wasn't much in the fight maybe 1 round 2 at the max he looked discouraged and he was lucky he wern't in with someone who can put there punches together maybe its just me but i was starting to see some good things from Cintron now after his fight with Feliciano i think he has gone back to where he was.
I'm not sure where your getting the "Inside of 3" from but Jesses got heart and Jesse was on a roll from the Philips fight to even the draw with Gomez and his latest win over Delvin showed he was someone that possesed some type of danger if taken lightly. Maybe Cintron did take Jesse lightly and almost paid the price but Cintron still won and to me action packed fights like this one can help your stock rise. In this case I think it will, plus people still have the Matthysse KO embeded in their minds.
I'm not sure where your getting the "Inside of 3"
Go look on all the threads regarding the Cintron fight and see how many people thought Cintron would blast him away in 3.
but Jesses got heart and Jesse was on a roll from the Philips fight to even the draw with Gomez and his latest win over Delvin showed he was someone that possesed some type of danger if taken lightly.
Phillips was 43 years old and was nothing more than a goodish fighter even in his prime and your also forgetting how controversial the decision was.
Delvin Rodriguez ?? he is an average fighter at best get the official rankings out and see where he places in the rankings.
Gomez is a goodish fighter he is nowhere near even close to being considered one of the threats of Welterweight division.
Who really thought Feliciano was a threat to Cintron before the fight ?? people were saying *oh yea should be good warm up fight for Cintron* because thats all it was supposed to be warm up fight and Cintron looking terrible against an average fighter like Feliciano doesn't do his stock very well imo.
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If I remember right Williams looked a bit lathargic in hid fight against Pakau, he started slapping his punches and was getting tagged by Pakau.
In Williams destruction of Sharmba he was also tagged several times and even stunned by Sharmba. Because Williams had trouble with those 2, I thought Margarito would blast him out. Boy how wrong I was to judge Williams by some trouble he has in his 2 previous fights prior to Margarito.
A boxer can have a game fighter in front of him despite his record or what people said prior to the fight come fight night that fighter can be imune to pain and or anything his opponent throws at him even if the boxer happens to be 28-1 with 26 KO's.
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If I remember right Williams looked a bit lathargic in hid fight against Pakau, he started slapping his punches and was getting tagged by Pakau.
In Williams destruction of Sharmba he was also tagged several times and even stunned by Sharmba. Because Williams had trouble with those 2, I thought Margarito would blast him out. Boy how wrong I was to judge Williams by some trouble he has in his 2 previous fights prior to Margarito.
A boxer can have a game fighter in front of him despite his record or what people said prior to the fight come fight night that fighter can be imune to pain and or anything his opponent throws at him even if the boxer happens to be 28-1 with 26 KO's.
Williams didn't look great in those matches i agree but his stock sky rocketed because of his impressive win against one of the most feared Welterweights out there.
Totally different to Cintron who struggled in a tune up fight.
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If I remember right Williams looked a bit lathargic in hid fight against Pakau, he started slapping his punches and was getting tagged by Pakau.
In Williams destruction of Sharmba he was also tagged several times and even stunned by Sharmba. Because Williams had trouble with those 2, I thought Margarito would blast him out. Boy how wrong I was to judge Williams by some trouble he has in his 2 previous fights prior to Margarito.
A boxer can have a game fighter in front of him despite his record or what people said prior to the fight come fight night that fighter can be imune to pain and or anything his opponent throws at him even if the boxer happens to be 28-1 with 26 KO's.
You speak the truth mick. the right oppoent comes in with the conditioning, chin and mindset, hell bent on kicking your ass. you gonna need that A game to get through it , no question, you can throw the records out the window. :D
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Re: Who's stock went down the most this year?
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
If I remember right Williams looked a bit lathargic in hid fight against Pakau, he started slapping his punches and was getting tagged by Pakau.
In Williams destruction of Sharmba he was also tagged several times and even stunned by Sharmba. Because Williams had trouble with those 2, I thought Margarito would blast him out. Boy how wrong I was to judge Williams by some trouble he has in his 2 previous fights prior to Margarito.
A boxer can have a game fighter in front of him despite his record or what people said prior to the fight come fight night that fighter can be imune to pain and or anything his opponent throws at him even if the boxer happens to be 28-1 with 26 KO's.
Williams didn't look great in those matches i agree but his stock sky rocketed because of his impressive win against one of the most feared Welterweights out there.
Totally different to Cintron who struggled in a tune up fight.
You missed my point.
My point was that Williams struggled with 2 guys.
Cintron struggled with Jesse and your saying he will loose because of that performance.
Whos to say Cintron struggles with Jesse but beats Williams?
I'm saying that your making it seem like the struggle Cintron had with Jesse was enough to diminish him and not merit him maybe the benefit of the doubt that he had an off night or something.
All in all, I don't think his stock dropped. His performace could have been better but he still got the TKO win and the W in the end that's what matters.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
If I remember right Williams looked a bit lathargic in hid fight against Pakau, he started slapping his punches and was getting tagged by Pakau.
In Williams destruction of Sharmba he was also tagged several times and even stunned by Sharmba. Because Williams had trouble with those 2, I thought Margarito would blast him out. Boy how wrong I was to judge Williams by some trouble he has in his 2 previous fights prior to Margarito.
A boxer can have a game fighter in front of him despite his record or what people said prior to the fight come fight night that fighter can be imune to pain and or anything his opponent throws at him even if the boxer happens to be 28-1 with 26 KO's.
Williams didn't look great in those matches i agree but his stock sky rocketed because of his impressive win against one of the most feared Welterweights out there.
Totally different to Cintron who struggled in a tune up fight.
You missed my point.
My point was that Williams struggled with 2 guys.
Cintron struggled with Jesse and your saying he will loose because of that performance.
Whos to say Cintron struggles with Jesse but beats Williams?
I'm saying that your making it seem like the struggle Cintron had with Jesse was enough to diminish him and not merit him maybe the benefit of the doubt that he had an off night or something.
All in all, I don't think his stock dropped. His performace could have been better but he still got the TKO win and the W in the end that's what matters.
Thats your opinion but until Cintron has another impressive win his stock has dropped quite alot imo. But maybe im only small number of people who feel that way ?? i don't know but thats my opinion on the situation anyway.
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There aint nobody laced them up who won all his or her matches impressive. it don’t work that way . Comes a time you gonna get the flu, hurt the hand, bad back, ankle , or flat out get shook up from a shot you didnt expect. its times like these, you thankful for the win ! unless a pattern develops, it is a huge mistake to assume the worst of someone on one moderate performance.
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
If I remember right Williams looked a bit lathargic in hid fight against Pakau, he started slapping his punches and was getting tagged by Pakau.
In Williams destruction of Sharmba he was also tagged several times and even stunned by Sharmba. Because Williams had trouble with those 2, I thought Margarito would blast him out. Boy how wrong I was to judge Williams by some trouble he has in his 2 previous fights prior to Margarito.
A boxer can have a game fighter in front of him despite his record or what people said prior to the fight come fight night that fighter can be imune to pain and or anything his opponent throws at him even if the boxer happens to be 28-1 with 26 KO's.
You speak the truth mick. the right oppoent comes in with the conditioning, chin and mindset, hell bent on kicking your ass. you gonna need that A game to get through it , no question, you can throw the records out the window. :D
Spot on LG...
When a fighter is given the opp. to fight for a title and hes on a good wining roll coming off a very good KO win and as you said proper training, conditioned, chin and the mind set of a warrior that wont give up forget it you might as well grab the stool and hit 'em with that. ;D
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Well i do not think that Cintron has gone any were in his tock he has pretty much stayed at the same level pretty much.
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I'm shocked more people arnt saying Margarito... he was the most feared man in boxing last year, or definatly one of them, and now he is just a welter weight contender... i'm not saying he is any worse of a fighter than he was last year but his stock has plummeted..
Barrera... started the year top 6-7 P4P, now probably not in top 30
Mormeck...
R. Marquez..started on Floyd and Pacs level, now top 7-10 P4P
Casamayor...
Vic D..
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Re: Who's stock went down the most this year?
Mick's "homeboy" Pongsaklek Wonjongkam stock went way down by losing to the very underrated Daisuke Naito
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Mick's "homeboy" Pongsaklek Wonjongkam stock went way down by losing to the very underrated Daisuke Naito
Was his stock ever that high?
