What are Hattons & Floyds faults

Okay guys... Time to pick holes :D
Lets keeps this as a stictly pugulistic critique ;)

In the ring, what are the faults (if any) that you find in the way theach both men conduct themselves. What weaknesses do you feel are likely to be exposed come december 8th.


Me personally, i have noticed that when Ricky protects his body he has a flaw (not a bad habbit) of using his gloves and arms rather than just tucking in his elbows... This and the few alarming winces Hatton has made when he has bit hit to the body convinces me that he cant take it there at all.

I'll think of some Mayweather faults latter ::**

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Originally Posted by JimBoogie

I'll think of some Mayweather faults latter ::**

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Good luck with that, let us know if you find one.

Hatton's faults are that in the 2 fights previous to Castillo he tired down the stretch. As that hasn't happened before I'm willing to put that down to poor conditioning for the Collazo fight and the fact he was ill during the Urango fight.

He's also a bleeder. Cuts easily, but here's hoping that can be avoided here.

If you're talking about this fight...then speed should be an issue.

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Originally Posted by beerjelly

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Originally Posted by JimBoogie

I'll think of some Mayweather faults latter ::**

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Good luck with that, let us know if you find one.

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His mouth.

His in ring cockiness. I have to say that I laughed my arse of in the DLH fight when he smiled at Oscar and let his guard down for a second, Oscar jumped on him and Floyd shit himself. If he gets cocky like that against Hatton, he'll be made to pay. He has to hold his attention on the job at hand.

In the ring...

Hatton:
Hattons main flaw in the past was actually as a result of his binge lifestyle outside of thr ing. The collazo, Urango and to some extent Maussa fights all indicated that Ricky's drinking and eating out of training had affected his stamina badly. The Castillo fight did show some rectification of this problem but it wil have to be fully repaired when he meets Floyd to be in with a chance.
Cuts; Ricky has a famed (but in my opinion exaggerated) problem with cuts. The surgery should hopefully prevent this weakness being a problem
Defensively Hatton is not as gifted as he is offensively. A problem when in the ring against one of the sharpest counterpunchers in the sport. Has showed improvement and intelligently adopted a cage defence in training. In my opinion he cannot afford to sway back or weave against Mayweather, he must block.

Mayweather:
It is difficult to find fault with the worlds best pound for pound fighter.
However when forced one can identify his hand as a weakness, his lack of finishing power above 140 and recently a penchant for laying on the ropes.
Mayweather is great, bordering on ATG for me, but to beat the Hitman he will need both hands, even if he hurts the hand an decides to run and pot shot i feel he's in trouble as he will need to keep ricky off him and for that he needs two hands...
The lack of finishing power over 140 is also an issue. We saw him finish Gatti with pomp but then we saw him on the defensive for 12 rounds against Baldomir and De la Hoya and tangling only occasionally with Judah. An greater ability to bang would have made these fights a lot easier for the Pretty boy, but imo it's not there above 140. Should Hatton have prepared for this fight correctly (as i assume he has.) he will be on the attack for 12 rounds as fast as humanly possible. Mayweather may find it difficult to dissuade Hatton's onslaught when big puncher Kostya Tszyu could not.
And finally...he did it vs. Zab, vs Baldomir a bit and a lot vs. DLH. But he MUST not lay on the ropes and back into corners against Hatton. I don't think i have to explain why...

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

In the ring...

Hatton:
Hattons main flaw in the past was actually as a result of his binge lifestyle outside of thr ing. The collazo, Urango and to some extent Maussa fights all indicated that Ricky's drinking and eating out of training had affected his stamina badly. The Castillo fight did show some rectification of this problem but it wil have to be fully repaired when he meets Floyd to be in with a chance.
Cuts; Ricky has a famed (but in my opinion exaggerated) problem with cuts. The surgery should hopefully prevent this weakness being a problem
Defensively Hatton is not as gifted as he is offensively. A problem when in the ring against one of the sharpest counterpunchers in the sport. Has showed improvement and intelligently adopted a cage defence in training. In my opinion he cannot afford to sway back or weave against Mayweather, he must block.

Mayweather:
It is difficult to find fault with the worlds best pound for pound fighter.
However when forced one can identify his hand as a weakness, his lack of finishing power above 140 and recently a penchant for laying on the ropes.
Mayweather is great, bordering on ATG for me, but to beat the Hitman he will need both hands, even if he hurts the hand an decides to run and pot shot i feel he's in trouble as he will need to keep ricky off him and for that he needs two hands...
The lack of finishing power over 140 is also an issue. We saw him finish Gatti with pomp but then we saw him on the defensive for 12 rounds against Baldomir and De la Hoya and tangling only occasionally with Judah. An greater ability to bang would have made these fights a lot easier for the Pretty boy, but imo it's not there above 140. Should Hatton have prepared for this fight correctly (as i assume he has.) he will be on the attack for 12 rounds as fast as humanly possible. Mayweather may find it difficult to dissuade Hatton's onslaught when big puncher Kostya Tszyu could not.
And finally...he did it vs. Zab, vs Baldomir a bit and a lot vs. DLH. But he MUST not lay on the ropes and back into corners against Hatton. I don't think i have to explain why...

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CC Donny, you've pretty much got it spot on there mate.

CC Returned my man Ono :)

CC donny pritty much cover both guys well but i don't think Floyd lacks pop in his punches he just seems reluctant to jump on the other guy in case he gets caught. He had Judah on his way to getting KOed till Judah used the low blow and Oscar was shook briefly but nothing seemed to phase Baldo. I agree Floyd needs to stay off the ropes but for some reason i have a feeling he will try and drag the fight there often and try and pick Hatton apart with counters.

CC returned ACEA.
Upon reflection and investigation of floyd s sparring, the ropes may be the starting point for some of Floyds most vicious attacks...

CC from me too donny, I Dont need to bother posting as you have covered everything I can think of!!

CC Returned Harvey, looks like we're thinking along similar lines again LoL!!!

Ricky Hatton -
Possesses decent jab but never uses it
Not effective at all throwing effective straight punches
Relies too heavily on hooks (punching bag syndrome)
Conditioning is still great but lately has been tiring a bit in the late rounds of fights
Cuts and bruises fairly easily
Short arms make Ricky completely reliant on inside work
Very quick with feet, body, and head/shoulders but still a very defensively flawed fighter
Lunges in with punches (against most fighters he can get away with this and actually uses it too his advantage, against Mayweather he will have to find another way in)
Not a big puncher

Floyd Mayweather -
Low work rate at times can negatively affect judge's scoring of round
Allows himself to be bullied on the ropes a little too much at times
Not a big puncher

Floyd, honestly, is one of the most unflawed fighters I've ever seen. He almost literally has no holes in his game. Hatton's a good fighter but I really think that he'll be confused on how to score for the entire fight.

:coolclick: Donny. Totally agree about Hatton having to block (Id preffer he parried the shots, like what Oscar was doing... That was great... but no way do i see Ricky showing that kind of defensive focus).

Speaking of defence. What is a cage defence?

CC returned Jim....
The more traditional defensive blocking is simply hands straight up and taking the shots on the fore arms. Well the "cage defence is something iv noticed he's done a lot in training before this and the Castillo fight. The cage defense is when the blocking is done by rainsg the elbows and forearms either side of the head and turning...(Floyd actually integrates this into the MAYWETHER SHELL WHEN AVOIDING THE JAB)....I don't no if i explainred that all that well...But essentially it a form of blocking and parrying at once, so we're thinking along the same lines too Jim!

PBF is a brilliant Boxer but boring as hell and HAtton is a pressure fighter who will have to run forward all night trying to keep up with the track and field event Floyd will be.

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CC returned Jim....
The more traditional defensive blocking is simply hands straight up and taking the shots on the fore arms. Well the "cage defence is something iv noticed he's done a lot in training before this and the Castillo fight. The cage defense is when the blocking is done by rainsg the elbows and forearms either side of the head and turning...(Floyd actually integrates this into the MAYWETHER SHELL WHEN AVOIDING THE JAB)....I don't no if i explainred that all that well...But essentially it a form of blocking and parrying at once, so we're thinking along the same lines too Jim!

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Kind of like what Corrales did??

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

Ricky Hatton -
Possesses decent jab but never uses it
Not effective at all throwing effective straight punches
Relies too heavily on hooks (punching bag syndrome)
Conditioning is still great but lately has been tiring a bit in the late rounds of fights
Cuts and bruises fairly easily
Short arms make Ricky completely reliant on inside work
Very quick with feet, body, and head/shoulders but still a very defensively flawed fighter
Lunges in with punches (against most fighters he can get away with this and actually uses it too his advantage, against Mayweather he will have to find another way in)
Not a big puncher

Floyd Mayweather -
Low work rate at times can negatively affect judge's scoring of round
Allows himself to be bullied on the ropes a little too much at times
Not a big puncher

Floyd, honestly, is one of the most unflawed fighters I've ever seen. He almost literally has no holes in his game. Hatton's a good fighter but I really think that he'll be confused on how to score for the entire fight.

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Great post, I agree with most of that.

Rickys weaknesses are much easier to spot than Floyds and I don't think I'd take to task most of what's been said so far. I'd add that a propensity to block with his face and having that left hand too low is a pretty good combination for Floyd scoring with the straight right all night long

Floyds much more interesting to look at I think because the faults aren't as glaring...but I've got to go home now so I'll post later... ;D

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

In the ring...

Hatton:
Hattons main flaw in the past was actually as a result of his binge lifestyle outside of thr ing. The collazo, Urango and to some extent Maussa fights all indicated that Ricky's drinking and eating out of training had affected his stamina badly. The Castillo fight did show some rectification of this problem but it wil have to be fully repaired when he meets Floyd to be in with a chance.
Cuts; Ricky has a famed (but in my opinion exaggerated) problem with cuts. The surgery should hopefully prevent this weakness being a problem
Defensively Hatton is not as gifted as he is offensively. A problem when in the ring against one of the sharpest counterpunchers in the sport. Has showed improvement and intelligently adopted a cage defence in training. In my opinion he cannot afford to sway back or weave against Mayweather, he must block.

Mayweather:
It is difficult to find fault with the worlds best pound for pound fighter.
However when forced one can identify his hand as a weakness, his lack of finishing power above 140 and recently a penchant for laying on the ropes.
Mayweather is great, bordering on ATG for me, but to beat the Hitman he will need both hands, even if he hurts the hand an decides to run and pot shot i feel he's in trouble as he will need to keep ricky off him and for that he needs two hands...
The lack of finishing power over 140 is also an issue. We saw him finish Gatti with pomp but then we saw him on the defensive for 12 rounds against Baldomir and De la Hoya and tangling only occasionally with Judah. An greater ability to bang would have made these fights a lot easier for the Pretty boy, but imo it's not there above 140. Should Hatton have prepared for this fight correctly (as i assume he has.) he will be on the attack for 12 rounds as fast as humanly possible. Mayweather may find it difficult to dissuade Hatton's onslaught when big puncher Kostya Tszyu could not.
And finally...he did it vs. Zab, vs Baldomir a bit and a lot vs. DLH. But he MUST not lay on the ropes and back into corners against Hatton. I don't think i have to explain why...

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Good assessment

Ricky walks into punches at the start of each round.

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Originally Posted by hackey100

Ricky walks into punches at the start of each round.

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Lol. Ricky walks into punches at the beginning, middle and end of every round :laugh:

Mayweather's weaknesses Hatton won't be able to take advantage of but Mayweather will be able to badly take advantage of Hatton's weaknesses thats the difference.

The only faults i can even sorta see with floyd are his brittle hands, and apparent lack of power at higher weights, i say apparent just cause i do think floyd hits harder than we may think when he wants to. As far as hatton i don't think he has too many faults it's just that he outmatched in a lot of areas when compared to floyd. The caliber of opponets he had i also think will affect him a bit once he gets in the ring and sees the difference between the guys he fought in the past and mayweather. I can see hatton gettin frustarated trying to catch floyd with a good shot while getting potshotted in return. After a couple of rounds i think it will take it's toll since i don't see hatton backing down and pressuring floyd for as long as the fight lasts.

Hatton's faults have been his defense, his stamina of late though there are reasons for that, his lack of hand speed, and he is prone to cuts.

Mayweather faults are he can get persuaded to go onto the ropes too easily, he doesn't use as much footwork as he should have against Dela Hoya, he knows too well that he is doing better than his opponent even when it looks close from the outside, he won't dominate at the end of rounds just to secure the round.

Both men have fault's but both men have learned to overcome them and use them to their advantage...

Hatton--His biggest fault may be the fact Hatton seems to be a one way or the other fighter...Either Ricky is the body attacking punching machine that leaves little room for an opponent to breath or he is the get off and hold Hatton that has brought him a lot of criticizm in the WW division. Even though it is a smart and fairly effective style for him....Hatton needs to combine the two more and learn to use the hit and hold in the earlier parts of his fight and wear guys down then open up with his all out assult....other then his being cut prone that is really Hattons biggest weakness....Because each style can be fiigured out by superior boxers...Ricky has yet to meet up with one....and stamina has been a good friend to Hatton...so all in all diversity in his style is Hattons biggest downfall and game hole

Mayweather Yes he is P4P the best in the world but everyone has holes in their game and Floyd is not the exception....Many are fooled between the fact he has the physical ability to compensate for them...Floyd has intimidation factor on his behalf...not power intimidation but the fact guys are so worried about making sure they can get to his level and not be outclassed when they fight him many throw away their whole game plan had coming into the fight....

Despite 24 KO's out of 38 wins Floyd is not really a strong fighter...his KO's come mostly from accumulation of punches and wearing his opponent s down with superior stamina....It is no secret Floyd is not a big fan of mixing it up rough...he is also a big fan of the ropes the place to beat him.....In the middle of the ring he is too fast and slick but on the ropes a guy can be rough with Floyd lean on him get off shots close....will they get off a lot of shots? no because he will find a way out but if a fighter is willing to push with arms tie him up push off get in a 1,2 hold wait for the ref to brteak up the mix and dig in the body until so Mayweather will wear down and get frustrated.....A perfect example of a style to beat floyd crazy as it sounds would be Hopkins...Hit anywhere get dirty...We have seen in the past how Floyd reacts to being bullied....and to beat a fighter do to him what he hates most...Mayweather is not the exception

CC DAXX KAHN!

I've been saying this now for some time, Ricky boxes with two completely contrasting yet easily meshable styles. He's got the high octane speedy body punching style (all his early career & Rounds 1 to 6 vs. Urango.) and then there's the ugly (yet effective side that we've all witnessed against Tszyu and Colazo....

Incredibly glad that someone else can identify this as i thought i was beginning to question whether or not I was imagining it!!!

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

Ricky Hatton -
Not a big puncher

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Please...tell me that was sarcasm?

Mayweather, perhaps lack of power and willingness to engage at the higher weight.

Hatton, good at getting inside, but stays there admiring his work and gets cracked in return when his punches hasn't had the effect he hoped (Collazo, Urango).

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

CC DAXX KAHN!

I've been saying this now for some time, Ricky boxes with two completely contrasting yet easily meshable styles. He's got the high octane speedy body punching style (all his early career & Rounds 1 to 6 vs. Urango.) and then there's the ugly (yet effective side that we've all witnessed against Tszyu and Colazo....

Incredibly glad that someone else can identify this as i thought i was beginning to question whether or not I was imagining it!!!

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CC Returned.....it would be a rather ugly combo at times but very effective.....and that relentless body punching Hatton has showed throughout his career is what first made me a fan of his....Most guys today don't attack the body like Hatton does....The body work IMO is more important then the head...especially since you are not going to knock some guys out no matter how hard you hit....wear that body down though and they wil fall