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If not, who was? DLH was past his prime. Maybe Castillo in their first fight I guess. Judah, probably not.
Has Mayweather actually faced anybody as highly regarded and at their peak with several titles in the bag? I know this is going to be Hatton's toughest fight, but the more I think about it, the more I realise it will also be Mayweather's.
Any other suggestions?
Oscar is better at things that would give Floyd a difficult time at this point of his career than he was in his prime, sure he was a little faster, but he wouldn't blocked half the shots he did with the defence he had in his prime, Oscar applied the right pressure, might have not used his jab enough but I think its because he wasn't landing it very often and Floyd was countering it with hard right hands. Regardless I think Oscar is still better than Hatton, and win or lose its probably his next opponent so we will see.
I'll answer this two ways:
In terms of PFP ranking, then Hatton is probably tied with Diego Corrales as far as having the highest PFP ranking of any Floyd opponent. Corrales was undefeated and considered a top 7 or 8 PFP fighter when he fought Floyd, much like Hatton is now. (It's easy to forget now that a TON of people picked Corrales to beat Floyd). I'd have to put Hatton above Corrales because Hatton is in great shape and is focused for this fight, whereas Corrales was weight-drained at 130 and facing legal trouble at the time.
In terms of toughest matchup, I'd have to rank DLH as Floyd's toughest opponent, even if he wasn't ranked as high PFP as Ricky is right now. Oscar had the one weapon (a good jab) that could really bother Floyd, and he had a big weight advantage, which Ricky won't have.
Oscar De La Hoya, Diego Corrales and a Lightweight Jose Luis Castillo were better. I do consider Hatton to better than Shramba Mitchell and Henry Brussles
Hahaha ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I agree with the notion that De La Hoya was his toughest fight (Not only calibre of opponent but all the other disadvantages too). A focused Judah might have proved more of a challenge to Floyd than Hatton will but we'll have to see how their styles mesh. Corrales on paper was probably on par with Hatton as well at the time, it's just that Floyd made him look so silly people forget how highly regarded Coralles was.
Hatton is a good fighter but not the best Mayweather has fought but Mayweather is the best fighter Hatton will of ever faced. 1 thing is for sure..... Dec 8 will be a mutherfuker 8)
look at Hattons record and that will answer the question !
I have to go with De La Hoya being his toughest opponent, Oscar was bigger, stronger, and the champion, he was not too far out of his prime considering he was the best at 154, and for Floyd to be a small WW and still move up to SW just to go up and beat the champion and come back down was very impressive to me
This subject is highly debatable. In my mind Ricky is indeed the best fighter that Floyd has faced, but i must consider this subject p4p.
May 5th saw DLH use the size differentail to the best of his abilities against Floyd. Were it not for this size differential and natural physical advantage De La Hoya would not have been as succesful as he was nor would Floyd have been forced to resort to the tactics he did. Ricky (lacking the size of DLH,) will probably extend Floyd as much as oscar did. So in my mind that places Rick above Oscar in terms of difficulty. This is 50% opinion (in terms of may 5th) and 50% predictive (in terms of Dec 8th) so we will be able to answer this question more accurately after the fight is logged into the archives.
However, Floyd faced a wealth of talent at lightweight and indeed super feather so it is debatable really and very objective. Some might even suggest it was Jesus Chavez or Jose Luis Castillo whom Floyd completely outboxed (granted v Castillo it took a second fight.) Like i said it is objective but i feel the general consensus is that Ricky is one of the best if not the best.
I feel a bit embarressed not mentioning Diego in my opening post. On paper he was every bit as respectable as Hatton is now. That's the thing with oscar. At his peak I actually think he had the beating of Floyd, but at the point he fought him, his lack of stamina was what beat him more than anything else and that was due to age.
Is Hatton Mayweathers best opponent yet?
No.
Best? No, toughest? possibly
:coolclick: Good answer ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
When the hell did i pass 4000 ???
Fuk sake, i always do this >:mad
LOL CC for cracking the 4k barrierQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Hatton is ONE of the best he has faced for sure, it's impossible to choose THE best.
It's hard to say. I give Hatton more chance of beating him than any of his other opponents.
However I did think the weight difference of going to 154 would be too difficult for Floyd against Oscar.
I think the move up in weight was a bigger risk.
Hatton is the best active opponent Floyd has faced in a long while.
Quite possibly the best.
Yeah he is a "live wire" and still in his prime, still has hunger and still has something to prove. Floyd fighting ODLH was a brave move and fighting Rick is too.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Ricky is a complete nutter. And thats one of the reasons why he will surprise a lot of people.Quote:
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He may be looked at that way now...i'm curious to see how he will be labeled after the fight
No! ;)
it's going to be Mayweathers toughest fight in my opinion bar none. Therefore his best opponent. The
possibilities of a Hatton victory are highly conceivable due to the fact the man has never tasted defeat
in a professional ring. His preparation looks to be absolutely spot-on, his attitude as always super posiitve
and dont forget he can fight a bit! I think Hatton will go very close to shocking Mayweather, and if the
Mayweather camp are comparing Ricky to Gatti then they are fucking up big style!
No.
Castillo was.
Wacko, ive just answered the question mate your a bit late. Your in-depth analysis did kind of sway me
though matey!
Oh i say! ^-^
Don't feel embarrased, your already one of the smartest guys around here in my opinion. heheh :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hackey100
I kid the Mayweathers. ;)
Diego didn't find his right identity until he hired Goosen as a trainer.
In the Mayweather fight, he was going through problems outside the ring and he had weight problems.
In other words... Corrales didn't fully develope yet. When he did, he had CLASSIC fights. A great MAN.
I would consider Corrales a good win, but nothing of a p4p ranking fight.
Nothing that would break you into the top 20 p4p either, at THAT point in Corrales' career.
yes without a doubt hatton is mayweathers toughest test and vice versa.
Well if he beats Floyd i say he is his hardest opponent wouldn't you lol.
and be sure of it hatton will beat mayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Glad I could help, fatmantolazytogetoffthefwockincouch. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmanoutofshape
Hatton is good but he ain't the best Mayweather has faced Oscar was a bigger challenge i think he will out fox Hatton quite easy.
I kinda think that Hatton's going to give Floyd some issues early on. He'll come out fast & hard...but I just don't see him lasting the stretch in the same fashion. If Floyd keeps it in the middle of the mat...Hatton's fwocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
We never see Hatton on the back foot what if he can't really fight going backwards Hattons best work is coming forward.
That is an excellent question.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Miguel Cotto proved his boxing ability/versatility. This is a good opportunity for Hatton to show his.
The only thing Ricky is going to be fighting going backwards is gravity!!
Yes toughest I think by far. I think Hatton's approach will be to attack the body and try to open him up with shots from multiple angles . I think Mayweather isn't one of the greatest. He dose not have the career fights and knock outs like the great Willie Pep or Ray Robinson. These guys were knocking people out and making a crowd pleasing fights and doing it 200-300 times in there career. Mayweather is a cream puff , a tampon and not even the beginning of a pimple on the Willie Pep , Harry Greb , or Ray Ronbinson's ass. Thats like comparing Jeter to Cobb or Ruth to Bonds. Ruth three times in his career had more home runs than any other entire baseball teams line up. That is unheard of. Then agian I look on the bright side and see the raw uncivilized raw boxers like Kelly Pavlik , Ricky Hatton and Edison MirandaQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
and i do see some glimpse of hope.
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We never see Hatton on the back foot what if he can't really fight going backwards Hattons best work is coming forward.
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Rewatch the Hatton Collazo fight. I just did tonight...it's a really good fight...& it's also a bit of a dubious decision, IWO.
While Hatton dropped Collazo in the first round…he didn’t really convince me that he won…nor did he “take the title” from the champion. Round about the 4th or 5th round Collazo started really putting pressure on Hatton via that pin point accurate left hand.
By the 7th & 8th he was standing toe to toe with Hatton & taking his body shots. From then on out…Collazo backed him up…& no he did not do to well in reverse. The thing about Hatton is that, to date, he has proven to have the ability to just stop & bull through exchanges with even some of the heavy handed hitters of his division.
What keeps gaining my attention with Hatton as far as a detraction is the fact that when they got to the 11th & 12th round & Collazo would unleash a flurry…Hatton began dropping his hands…eating those flurries. Hatton was even rocked a few times during the 11th & there was a time in the 12th that I was a bit worried that he might have dropped by a few of those left hooks.
He was caught quite a few times in the 12th that he shouldn’t have.
IWHO, Floyd is twice the boxer & tactician that Collazo is…& if it’s a fact that Hatton’s not suited for 147lbs…he might be totally out of his league. Granted it was Hatton's first move up, granted Collazo is a hell of a boxer, granted granted granted...I just think that Hatton's gonna have to be a hell of a lot more focused than he was then...& no matter what anyone in his camp says...he was on point the night of the "British Invasion" & it really just didn't seem like enough to me.
Floyd's going to be a hell of a lot taller order...but maybe he'll be more determined this go round.
It’s just such a hard call.
Kinda like Mike Tyson, the guy never took a backward step he would be getting his asss handed to him but he kept coming despite eating tons of leatherQuote:
Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Come on VD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Bruseles & Hatton don't even belong in the same sentence. I see Bruseles in PBFs career as a mere stepping stone in his career.
I see Hatton as a real threat to PBF someone that can give PBF trouble.
ODLH
Hatton
Chico
JLC
Also for the record Sharmba was a mere trial horse for PBFs 1st fight at 147 again neither IMO come close to Hatton. I also understand what Sharmbas career was about at LW but that IMO was years ago and all you have to do is look at Sharmbas performances leading to the fight and after that fight to know how much of a threat Sharmba possesed.
I said Hatton was better than themQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick