sparring some1 who is like 6 times faster

i was sparring at my gym yesterday with the national champ of 2004

i did spar him a few times but it never really turns out good for me.
he is like foot bigger than me, and weigh a few pounds more than me.

and when i spar him, it's like im fighting 6 people at the same time,
i always start out confident and do get to land pretty much of my punches and combo's,

but he lands more and more, and at some point i just close up and just do defence for some reason (prob cuz i dont want to get hit any more), and when that hapens it's all over,
he finds his rithem and damn i get hit all over by his combo's high low.

i never have tis only when i spar him, prob cus he's the best,
but dous any1 here have tis or something like it, how do you handle this or what should i do

BAH


Its all in your mind, your not finding your rythm cos you dont have one to find. Watch yourself in the mirror, the key is the jab, it always has been always will be. I dont care if your not fast enough to land more then 1 jab at a time and move out the way, the jab disrupts his rythm and keeps him thinking all the time


Jab jab jab


My jab is tremendous. It all comes off the jab

Economy of movment beats a fast fighter.
Look into the footwork section.
Dont expect too muach of yourself too fast either.
control with the jab is true but he may magically come around it if he is that good.
Learn from him.

You could try being more aware of your positon in the ring and using it to an adavantage . Give yourself space to move out on the sides and away on angles so he has to change to suit you.

To change your front foot back around to the rear foot postiion can get you out of trouble too ,(it takes you out of distance fast)and practiced properly can have you out and on an angle which forces him into re-adjustment mode) you have to have both arms out in front and replace the front one with the rear one as you switch.You can do the move clean off a jab as a warning to him too!

You will find ,if you do that on the correct side as he moves at you,you end up out of range and then witha slight adjustment in your feet ,your out to the side of him in the reverse stance to what you started in.
You have created the time to attack ,switch back and retreat or switch back during attack.

Im playing here, just food for thought. Correct Movement can beat speed.

thnx
i will put this in my sparring session monday, i know it'll take some practice
so i'll practice southp on the bag tonight

Dont let him breathe. Get in close and pound his body and get him onto the ropes by using the jab and try to keep him there. Also use the three c's

Counter
Counter
Counter

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Originally Posted by Confirm

thnx
i will put this in my sparring session monday, i know it'll take some practice
so i'll practice southp on the bag tonight

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Be careful doing anything I suggest straight off the bat!
Im just trying to open up your mind to the available variables here.

instead of standing your ground all the time until the best man wins ,think and move but end up in front Cause you know why and you know where your moving to.

Practice the actual moves first. Dont jump in the ring and tey something new too fast.

I would instruct a mate and have him come at me the same way(or family member) and practice doing it with them ; making sure you stay out of their range ,making sure you have control over that front hand of theirs as they come (or at least have it covered fully)and making sure you move back in (in saftey) while controlling that side of them.
Also see what different positiions you end up in (see if you can readjust when they shift to suit your new positon .
Also stop the action occasionally and see if you can arrive at your desination safley, covered from the opponents first actions and their re actions to it going down. (you dont have to stay in south either, you can readjust as he does to you throwing the rear hand and stepping through into your natural stance.

If you have room to move back you can do the retreat move twice and it takes you through south back into natural and you watch their reaction to it and catch them comming.

Practice all the variables . Know what can happen ,cover yourself fully to the unexpected.

IF you touch the ropes as your heading back for example; bend knees with one leg forward sit down then go under and out to the side; revolve under his lead arm and out the safe side etc.

You can always make a boxer come to you. thats easy .
Whats hard is to make them readjuust all the time.

Angles,
You cant do that by just going back straight or your gone.
You have to think angles;slip to the safest side ,make him turn into me,catch him as he comes.

Sometimes its as simple as going square by widening your stance! stepping out wide on an angle with the front leg which takes your head out or range and under their lead arm and it allows you to counter straight off the rear arm right at the same time ,its all one move. (but God help you if you stay there and expect miracles twice off theone move!
So what Im saying is practice them all first (please),and in doing so realize the limits and then move, again and again and keep them off their plan.

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Originally Posted by Confirm

thnx
i will put this in my sparring session monday, i know it'll take some practice
so i'll practice southp on the bag tonight

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Be careful doing anything I suggest straight off the bat!
Im just trying to open up your mind to the available variables here.

instead of standing your ground all the time until the best man wins ,think and move but end up in front Cause you know why and you know where your moving to.

Practice the actual moves first. Dont jump in the ring and tey something new too fast.

I would instruct a mate and have him come at me the same way(or family member) and practice doing it with them ; making sure you stay out of their range ,making sure you have control over that front hand of theirs as they come (or at least have it covered fully)and making sure you move back in (in saftey) while controlling that side of them.
Also see what different positiions you end up in (see if you can readjust when they shift to suit your new positon .
Also stop the action occasionally and see if you can arrive at your desination safley, covered from the opponents first actions and their re actions to it going down. (you dont have to stay in south either, you can readjust as he does to you throwing the rear hand and stepping through into your natural stance.

If you have room to move back you can do the retreat move twice and it takes you through south back into natural and you watch their reaction to it and catch them comming.

Practice all the variables . Know what can happen ,cover yourself fully to the unexpected.

IF you touch the ropes as your heading back for example; bend knees with one leg forward sit down then go under and out to the side; revolve under his lead arm and out the safe side etc.

You can always make a boxer come to you. thats easy .
Whats hard is to make them readjuust all the time.

Angles,
You cant do that by just going back straight or your gone.
You have to think angles;slip to the safest side ,make him turn into me,catch him as he comes.

Sometimes its as simple as going square by widening your stance! stepping out wide on an angle with the front leg which takes your head out or range and under their lead arm and it allows you to counter straight off the rear arm right at the same time ,its all one move. (but God help you if you stay there and expect miracles twice off theone move!
So what Im saying is practice them all first (please),and in doing so realize the limits and then move, again and again and keep them off their plan.

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I agree coz if this guy has been boxing for a while then he would of seen all of these things used. Use the jab and get in out quickly.

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Originally Posted by Confirm

i was sparring at my gym yesterday with the national champ of 2004

i did spar him a few times but it never really turns out good for me.
he is like foot bigger than me, and weigh a few pounds more than me.

and when i spar him, it's like im fighting 6 people at the same time,
i always start out confident and do get to land pretty much of my punches and combo's,

but he lands more and more, and at some point i just close up and just do defence for some reason (prob cuz i dont want to get hit any more), and when that hapens it's all over,
he finds his rithem and damn i get hit all over by his combo's high low.

i never have tis only when i spar him, prob cus he's the best,
but dous any1 here have tis or something like it, how do you handle this or what should i do

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Look on the bright side. You may be getting beaten, but you're getting beaten by the best.

You should work on your flexibility by relaxing and throwing punches in front of a mirror. Don't put any intensity behind it, just throw your punches out there and pull them back in. This will increase your speed. (I've increased my speed like this).

thnx all
this opens my mind even more than it was ;D
i never had a real bout yet, though my trainer said i'm ready a few times, but i don't feel ready yet,
sparring with last years champ shows me what could happen in a bout.

i think''ll print this page and work it trough with my trainer, and let him make perfect training routine for me, i'll be sparring this guy tonight, but i guess Ã*t's better to train these thing first, like you said.


i'll let you know in few weeks how it feels to beat a champ 8) LOL

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To change your front foot back around to the rear foot postiion can get you out of trouble too ,(it takes you out of distance fast)and practiced properly can have you out and on an angle which forces him into re-adjustment mode) you have to have both arms out in front and replace the front one with the rear one as you switch.You can do the move clean off a jab as a warning to him too!

You will find ,if you do that on the correct side as he moves at you,you end up out of range and then witha slight adjustment in your feet ,your out to the side of him in the reverse stance to what you started in.
You have created the time to attack ,switch back and retreat or switch back during attack.

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Andre,

Is this is something that is awesome, how did you learn to practise that (what did you do to learn it)

Im thinking it looks like a routine that needs to be done over and over and will look a little like a dance.


Which fighter do you think does this the most effectively? (I cant recall ever seeing and noting such a move)

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Originally Posted by Confirm

thnx all
this opens my mind even more than it was ;D
i never had a real bout yet, though my trainer said i'm ready a few times, but i don't feel ready yet,
sparring with last years champ shows me what could happen in a bout.

i think''ll print this page and work it trough with my trainer, and let him make perfect training routine for me, i'll be sparring this guy tonight, but i guess Ã*t's better to train these thing first, like you said.


i'll let you know in few weeks how it feels to beat a champ 8) LOL

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Bare in mind that you wont be fighting someone with his amount of experience right away, we have all been in the ring at some point and felt a little helpless. Out of curiosity have you talked about this with your trainer\coach? does he have any imput.

I agree coz if this guy has been boxing for a while then he would of seen all of these things used. Use the jab and get in out quickly.
I seriously think only people who have fought pro would have seen anything like that. two fighters of old and only a few from of late pull moves anything like that.

I think we need to be clear about something.

Just switching your feet won't take you out of range. If you are in left lead and just take your front foot back your body stays in the same place, only your leg has moved ;).
It may make them pause while they check what you're doing or may just follow you back and hit you.

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Originally Posted by Andre

I agree coz if this guy has been boxing for a while then he would of seen all of these things used. Use the jab and get in out quickly.
I seriously think only people who have fought pro would have seen anything like that. two fighters of old and only a few from of late pull moves anything like that.

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Your probably right andre just saying incase in some miracle the guy knows what hes doing.

Meonouk I was taught that stuff off the best Kung fu master in the world. The best boxer who came close to those moves naturally was Willie Pep he swithced in and out of range bamboozaling most fighters.Some modern guys do bits and pieces of them moves but not ,the move mentioned.
Ive seen Hamed use the switch for a evasive move and land a bomb on the end of it and finish.
Sam Soliman is close to doing it ,watch out for him!Once he gets weight shift and leg lift power onto the end of his moves he will be even more formadable.
I Â want to get my hands on him for just one night, and its not out of the question he is a Christian lad and we live in the same town.

Best to watch at the moment is Mayweather he is cheeky on the inside and so fast you dont see all he is up to at first glance.

He has a loverly way of pinning the lead arm (with his free glove) from the outside after he ducks and goes under it or around it! This allows him to stay in range and stay in control of the other guys balance as well as stopping that arm from moving. the other arm is not in contact range at all so it is full  security, so he hasnt anything else to think about except where to attack his man!
Smart lad that one. Could also use the word (ass)  after smart, too  ;)

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I think we need to be clear about something.

Just switching your feet won't take you out of range. If you are in left lead and just take your front foot back your body stays in the same place, only your leg has moved ;).
It may make them pause while they check what you're doing or may just follow you back and hit you.

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Sorry but try it, your body moves back with your front foot,you bring your front foot all the way back behind your rear foot.your body moves a full two feet (thats centre line to centre line), if you repeat the move it goes through two angle shifts and four feet.You still have to cover your self as you go so you dont leave the famose hole in the guard as you change glove for glove.

Don't need to, used to do those kind of footwork drills years ago. Perhaps it's in the explanation, wires crossed etc.

Andre, regarding footwork.
See what you think of the article on the footwork thread.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...html#msg138170

Great read thanks.
I notice Dan innsonnatto up there next to Bruce in the picture.
Dan came out here and trained with us after Bruces death.
The articles big and covers 98 per cent of it for sure!
Sifting through it fast I only noticed he didnt enlighten the punters on the importance of heel to toe rolling steps which have to be done to execute a couple of his forward shuffles and a lack of info on the reatreat steps.
Has got the rest covered though.

can't give all the secrets away now. ;D

Good point; and he is Greek and bearing gifts too.

my trainer said it was a very good thing if you know how to pull it off correctly
"1 mistake can get you on the canvas".
i had to promis not to pull this of till i can do it 100% correct. (off/defence)

my trainer told me to focus on my defence first during these moves. cuz i was thinking of a right straight or hook as my left foot goes back.

but my trainer lold me just do defence for now, cus your liver is a easy target during this move if you dont have your defence right.

and when i do this correct i can think about offence.

i didn't spar monday nor last night, just spend alot of time on these moves.
starts to feel good, but i know there has to be alot more then just feel good.

i know when i start competing, the guy i will be fighting wont have alot of experience in the ring, just like me. but i just want to train a little more, so i can call home and say "mom i won."
b4 i step in the ring, if you know what i mean.

Andre... u have much needed credit from me... you spend so much time writing up these posts and they are very helpful... no one helps u... my turn ... :coolclick: to u ANDRE

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Originally Posted by Confirm

my trainer said it was a very good thing if you know how to pull it off correctly
"1 mistake can get you on the canvas".
i had to promis not to pull this of till i can do it 100% correct. (off/defence)

my trainer told me to focus on my defence first during these moves. cuz i was thinking of a right straight or hook as my left foot goes back.

but my trainer lold me just do defence for now, cus your liver is a easy target during this move if you dont have your defence right.

and when i do this correct i can think about offence.

i didn't spar monday nor last night, just spend alot of time on these moves.
starts to feel good, but i know there has to be alot more then just feel good.

i know when i start competing, the guy i will be fighting wont have alot of experience in the ring, just like me. but i just want to train a little more, so i can call home and say "mom i won."
b4 i step in the ring, if you know what i mean.

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IT was just a suggstion, just one of many things you can try in the course of a fight .

Defence can come with maintaining contact with his lead arm too!

I used to use it only when someone overcommitted themselves with a lurch forward,leaning jab or even on a rear straight as they lean in.
It can be used when someone has the upper hand and is pressing forward,done correctly you should be covered fully anyway.
The move takes you out of range first, its up to you to keep those arms out front even to the extent of pinning their front arm at the elbow point , then you slip their reaction and counter .

Consider which is their strong side so you head away from it ,preferably to the outside of their lead arm.

If you switch out the other way it can work too,but you have to have the path of his rear arm fully covered and you have go out on a sharper angle with your foot as you take it back.

This move can also be utilized against a person in the reverse stance to you as well.

Once they have thrown the lead jab and come forward ,you check it with your lead arm ,then you exchange contact as you have your rear arm come up underneath your lead arm so it makes contact on the out side of their lead arm at their elbow point, it happens right on the switch (as your lead leg heads back, your rear arm comes up),you have control (His other arm is no longer an immidiate threat ,you have the outside position.
so you follow their arm with yours and step in (close the gap)on the outside of it and reattack in saftey;

So, you have pulled the left leg right back behind the rear leg,taken control with the rear arm,then you have stepped back into the original foward stance closing the gap and you explode up or down over or under that arm of his that you have checked.You can feel which way he goes cause you have contact with him ;however he reacts you attack the opposite way if his arm comes up, you attack low, if it comes down,you go over it.

If you attack over that elbow point of his from the outside like that ,he has to readjust to your position or run.

Its a finishing move as you catch them comming ,then turning in to see whats up. And you can have that final blow with ful forward force behind it.
You can even practice going low on the second part and exploding upwards so his own arm hides what you are up to
and so its a greater shock to him with more leg lift etc.

Sometimes you have to add a little shuffle or slight twist of the feet on the end so you remain in the advantage position ,but thats all good for you to try out and teach yourself where to be, also where not to go too.




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Simple strategy my uncle gave me. Rat-tat-tat, from the outside, and then when they try to come in and use their speed, circle around them, so they waste time chasing you, while you rack up the points on them. If he's taller, use some feints first.

There is nothing wrong and the real difference is in experience. When you hit the heavy bag never just hit it; instead treat it like an opponent and work in and out setting up particular combinations. So that when you are in the ring you are punching purposefully and creating opportunity. Until you can accept the fact of fists flying about you'll never really get your own attack in gear. How can you while covered up and leery of being punched? Boxing is not- really, it is not- a volume punch-a-thon, the honors going to the flashiest hands. Despite the influence of slap fighters like Ali, Jones Jr, and the rest. Watch tape of Toney, of fighters from the 30s and 40s. Speed is, next to power the most overrated attribute in boxing. Brains and serenity under fire trumps all.