I actually am beginning to think no-one can beat Paul Williams at WW............

Ok,I give Tony a chance IF he starts early and I did think Kermit would be able to KO him but now I think Kermit is unable to take pressure and has not improved as I had thought. I think Williams beats 2 bags of shit out of Hatton,Oscar,Clottey,Collazo and Judah if ANY dare to fight him

(I'd like to add that Zab Judah and Carlos Quintana have been offered to fight Williams for Feb 3,since Kermit "injured", I doubt either takes it)

The only question mark for me is Cotto and I LOVE Cotto but I only think PW style gives him hell. PW would pot shot,and whenever he got inside,PW would hold.Like he did with Tony.He would have to bang early and hope PW tries to war. Tony and Cotto have the best chances imo.

(I actually hate to admit this but this freak is going to be a handful for ANYONE and he will fight ANYONE.Tall,good handspeed,pitty patty punches which don't hurt but dam sure as heck count and a FREAKISHLY long jab make him a force. I think he would struggle at the higher weights but as for now,at 147,he is going to take some beating )

Here's my WW list:

1.Cotto
2.Mayweather
3.Williams
4.Margarito
5.Cintron

a ton load of other fighters make up the next 15 slots.

You didnt mention Floyd at all, to me this is the only guy that could possibly beat Floyd at Welter

I agree Williams is the ultimate nightmare stylistically for anyone. I think we will see more power demonstrated by Williams in the future. Tony is way to active for Williams to remotely sit on a punch hence more pitty pat in that fight than usual.

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Ok,I give Tony a chance IF he starts early and I did think Kermit would be able to KO him but now I think Kermit is unable to take pressure and has not improved as I had thought. I think Williams beats 2 bags of S*** out of Hatton,Oscar,Clottey,Collazo and Judah if ANY dare to fight him

(I'd like to add that Zab Judah and Carlos Quintana have been offered to fight Williams for Feb 3,since Kermit "injured", I doubt either takes it)

The only question mark for me is Cotto and I LOVE Cotto but I only think PW style gives him hell. PW would pot shot,and whenever he got inside,PW would hold.Like he did with Tony.He would have to bang early and hope PW tries to war. Tony and Cotto have the best chances imo.

(I actually hate to admit this but this freak is going to be a handful for ANYONE and he will fight ANYONE.Tall,good handspeed,pitty patty punches which don't hurt but dam sure as heck count and a FREAKISHLY long jab make him a force. I think he would struggle at the higher weights but as for now,at 147,he is going to take some beating )

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Williams is a freak of nature i find it hard for anyone to beat him at WW the key is body shots. Williams is tall and skinny so body shots would be the key for someone like Cotto, but Williams keeps his distance well and he just overwhelms you with punches so its hard to think when your under that kind of pressure. Williams has shown a great chin against Magarito, he showed good boxing skills and he looks to be a complete fighter except his punches are feather fisted. Im Mayweather fan and i would be worried for Mayweather in a fight with Williams basically because Williams has all the ingredients to beat Mayweather. Height, Reach, Output, these 3 things i just mentioned would give Mayweather all he could handle he would have to counter but its hard to counter against a fighter who throws 100+ punches a round especially when they have height and reach advantage. If Williams does beat Cintron which i think he will and Margarito wins another comeback fight then i would like to see Margarito vs Williams 2, i think too many people wrote off Margarito when the fact is he done very well against arguably the yop 3 Welterweight in the world today and thats saying alot considering the amount of talent in Welterweight division. Margarito has to start much faster in the rematch and i would like to see how Williams would counter that, because basically Margarito lost first 5 rounds because he wasn't nowhere near as active as he should of been, i would give Margarito a good shot in Williams fight but i would give Williams slight edge but not by much.

I still give Cintron a chance in beating Williams and would not rule him out.

Yea Ice,I give Tony a good shot too but losing to PW does not look too bad now,because of the fact that Williams matches up favourably to the other WW.

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You didnt mention Floyd at all, to me this is the only guy that could possibly beat Floyd at Welter

I agree Williams is the ultimate nightmare stylistically for anyone. I think we will see more power demonstrated by Williams in the future. Tony is way to active for Williams to remotely sit on a punch hence more pitty pat in that fight than usual.

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Sorry,I forgot to mention Floyd. Yeah,I think PW can even give Floyd ALOT of problems. On the other hand,I think Floyd's lateral movement could half PW's punch output. Depends. I personally think PW would win but I also think that Floyd would never go near PW,hes WAAAAAAY to dangerous and doesn't present a big payday(Floyd doesn't seem interested in unifying)

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Here's my WW list:

1.Cotto
2.Mayweather
3.Williams
4.Margarito
5.Cintron

a ton load of other fighters make up the next 15 slots.

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I don't think Mosely has fallen out of the top 5 with his performance against Cotto.

My top 5 would be.

1. Floyd He's the fucking LINEAR welterweight champ and P4P number 1 in the world Gamo, your placement of Cotto at number 1 is just pure pretentiousness in my opinion.

2. Cotto, looked very impressive in 2007 going from hot prospect to bona fida p4p star. He's NOT above Floyd Mayweather though

3. Shane Mosely. I know he doesn't hold a belt and he lost his last fight but he showed enough imo to solidify himself as the best fighter in the division outside Cotto and Floyd......for now at least.

4. Paul Williams, I agree with you, he's a real stylistic nightmare for anybody in the division but lets see him in another fight before putting him above the big 3.

5. Antonio Margarito. Lost to Williams but still a huge threat in the division. Looked sensational last time out against Golden Johnson.

Then follows a pack headed by Cintron, Judah, Collazo, Gomez, Quintana, Berto

I like Williams. He's a good fighter. But he's beatable.

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Ok,I give Tony a chance IF he starts early and I did think Kermit would be able to KO him but now I think Kermit is unable to take pressure and has not improved as I had thought. I think Williams beats 2 bags of shit out of Hatton,Oscar,Clottey,Collazo and Judah if ANY dare to fight him

(I'd like to add that Zab Judah and Carlos Quintana have been offered to fight Williams for Feb 3,since Kermit "injured", I doubt either takes it)

The only question mark for me is Cotto and I LOVE Cotto but I only think PW style gives him hell. PW would pot shot,and whenever he got inside,PW would hold.Like he did with Tony.He would have to bang early and hope PW tries to war. Tony and Cotto have the best chances imo.

(I actually hate to admit this but this freak is going to be a handful for ANYONE and he will fight ANYONE.Tall,good handspeed,pitty patty punches which don't hurt but dam sure as heck count and a FREAKISHLY long jab make him a force. I think he would struggle at the higher weights but as for now,at 147,he is going to take some beating )

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EXCELLENT posting.

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You didnt mention Floyd at all, to me this is the only guy that could possibly beat Floyd at Welter

I agree Williams is the ultimate nightmare stylistically for anyone. I think we will see more power demonstrated by Williams in the future. Tony is way to active for Williams to remotely sit on a punch hence more pitty pat in that fight than usual.

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Floyd doesn't fight welters. ;D

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Here's my WW list:

1.Cotto
2.Mayweather
3.Williams
4.Margarito
5.Cintron

a ton load of other fighters make up the next 15 slots.

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Yeah.

I don't like William's pitter pat also. He can be a real snoozer at times. Real boring style.

From what I hear from the Margarito camp, they know what they did wrong.

Margarito, Decision. In the Rematch, IF it happens.

DAMN Bob Arum... I hear he wants Margarito to fight Jose Luis Castillo.

That's just a stupid fight. LAME. BORING!!!

Been there done that. Hatton already showed the world that JC superstar is old and gone.

WASTE of a fighter if he fights JLC.

His output for somebody so tall is impressive. What is even more amazing is that he can make the weight at all! He epitomises the fact that styles make fights. I would agree that Cotto would have a better chance against him than Mayweather, but i'd still fancy Mayweather over Cotto.

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His output for somebody so tall is impressive. What is even more amazing is that he can make the weight at all! He epitomises the fact that styles make fights. I would agree that Cotto would have a better chance against him than Mayweather, but i'd still fancy Mayweather over Cotto.

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That guy doesn't fight Welters. What's everybody's deal here? ???















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I would not be surprised if no other welterweight could beat him. 

Someone should treat him for tape worm and then send him on his way to middleweight.

"Keep it movin' skinny boy."

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Here's my WW list:

1.Cotto
2.Mayweather
3.Williams
4.Margarito
5.Cintron

a ton load of other fighters make up the next 15 slots.

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I don't think Mosely has fallen out of the top 5 with his performance against Cotto.

My top 5 would be.

1. Floyd He's the F****** LINEAR welterweight champ and P4P number 1 in the world Gamo, your placement of Cotto at number 1 is just pure pretentiousness in my opinion.

2. Cotto, looked very impressive in 2007 going from hot prospect to bona fida p4p star. He's NOT above Floyd Mayweather though

3. Shane Mosely. I know he doesn't hold a belt and he lost his last fight but he showed enough imo to solidify himself as the best fighter in the division outside Cotto and Floyd......for now at least.

4. Paul Williams, I agree with you, he's a real stylistic nightmare for anybody in the division but lets see him in another fight before putting him above the big 3.

5. Antonio Margarito. Lost to Williams but still a huge threat in the division. Looked sensational last time out against Golden Johnson.

Then follows a pack headed by Cintron, Judah, Collazo, Gomez, Quintana, Berto

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How can Mosley be top 3 ?? his only win at Welterweight in years is against Collazo. He gave Cotto good fight but he still lost and no way should he be top 3 Welterweight.

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Here's my WW list:

1.Cotto
2.Mayweather
3.Williams
4.Margarito
5.Cintron

a ton load of other fighters make up the next 15 slots.

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I don't think Mosely has fallen out of the top 5 with his performance against Cotto.

My top 5 would be.

1. Floyd He's the F****** LINEAR welterweight champ and P4P number 1 in the world Gamo, your placement of Cotto at number 1 is just pure pretentiousness in my opinion.

2. Cotto, looked very impressive in 2007 going from hot prospect to bona fida p4p star. He's NOT above Floyd Mayweather though

3. Shane Mosely. I know he doesn't hold a belt and he lost his last fight but he showed enough imo to solidify himself as the best fighter in the division outside Cotto and Floyd......for now at least.

4. Paul Williams, I agree with you, he's a real stylistic nightmare for anybody in the division but lets see him in another fight before putting him above the big 3.

5. Antonio Margarito. Lost to Williams but still a huge threat in the division. Looked sensational last time out against Golden Johnson.

Then follows a pack headed by Cintron, Judah, Collazo, Gomez, Quintana, Berto

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How can Mosley be top 3 ?? his only win at Welterweight in years is against Collazo. He gave Cotto good fight but he still lost and no way should he be top 3 Welterweight.

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He lost a really close decision, actually closer than Margarito's loss to Williams in the eyes of most and Cotto is a proven p4p star. Besides which he finished the stronger of the two in his fight with Cotto and is the first fighter ever to really have Cotto on the back foot.

His 'only' win against Collazo was a former world champ in his prime who had in his previous fight beaten (in most people's eyes) Ricky Hatton.

He's still an exceptional fighter and showed against Cotto that he's still one of the very best fighters in the world.

Having him above Williams is a personal choice and I respect those who want to put Williams above him but it's certainly not a gross overrating as you seem to imply.

And there's no way in hell Cintron rates above Mosely, does anyone think Jesse Feliciano could have dictated the action against Shane like he did against Kermit?

Maybe it is just me but I don't really see as much in him as everyone else here...

Cotto will attack the body and Williams will crumble!

I think both Mayweather & Cotto defeat Williams. I think Margarito would also win a rematch. Mosley would be my favorite going in also. Williams has talent but he ain't unbeatable IMO!

I never see people mention about how good Williams is at angles.

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Listen Bilbo who has done more at welterweight Cotto or PBF look at who they have fought and how they have won the answer is Cotto.

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Listen Bilbo who has done more at welterweight Cotto or PBF look at who they have fought and how they have won the answer is Cotto.

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Sorry Mr140 but Floyd is the linear champ at 147 so thats as high as you can go IMO, I agree Cotto is an outstanding talent but Judah was considered his toughest opponent going into that fight, but when Floyd fought Judah he was criticized for fighting a guy who lost to Baldomir. Then he fights Baldomir the linear champ going in & still gets flack. Floyd has reached the top something Cotto is still yet to do!

Floyd to me at welterweight is just another belt holder i mean to be linear dont you need more then one belt. And look at Mayweaters best wins at welter are Baldomiar and Juhda and Cotto best wins are against Mosley and Juhda and if you look at the other Cotto in my eyes just beat better people at the weight so i consider him the better guy at welter i do not care what Floyd has done at the other weights to be honest with you because they werent WW.

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Floyd to me at welterweight is just another belt holder i mean to be linear dont you need more then one belt. And look at Mayweaters best wins at welter are Baldomiar and Juhda and Cotto best wins are against Mosley and Juhda and if you look at the other Cotto in my eyes just beat better people at the weight so i consider him the better guy at welter i do not care what Floyd has done at the other weights to be honest with you because they werent WW.

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No to be linear champ you need to beat the champ! Belts don't mean sh*t. Mayweather could have no alphabet belts but he would still the Ring champion! IMO Floyd beats Cotto so as well as being the champion at 147 he is also the best fighter. Hopefully when Floyd's defeated Hatton he'll fight Cotto so we'll all know for sure who the best guy is!

And at the rate Cotto is going he is on better track i mean he is a young man and is taking bigger steps then Floyd for god sakes he took him half the time to beat a all time great and he was younger when he did it. I think in a few Years unless PBF beats him which he might but i bet on Cotto to win he will be the Pound for Pound number one and i hope he gets it because he my kinda guy adn goes for the big fights and lays it on the line.

The fact that Paul Williams has 24 knock outs on his resume says that he is at least a little bit of a threat. He is sort of entertaining to watch. He does a lot things and switches gears constantly. I am not saying he is un-beatable, but anyone who beats him will have to put in a lot of work.
I would love to see Malignaggi move up as he claims he is because he wants to fight Cotto again (So he says) LMAO! I would love to see Paulie and Williams get it on. I know Williams can beat him easy but I would like to see just how good Malignaggi's skills are against him. It would be nice to see how PBF and Cotto handle Williams too. I can't help but sort of like Williams because of his freakish height and reach in the welter weight division. He is kind of like a circus side show but in a good way. Williams just turned 26 so there is plenty more of him left to see yet.

Man if only he had the power of Hearns he clean out the division then go be champ at a lot of weights.

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And at the rate Cotto is going he is on better track i mean he is a young man and is taking bigger steps then Floyd for god sakes he took him half the time to beat a all time great and he was younger when he did it. I think in a few Years unless PBF beats him which he might but i bet on Cotto to win he will be the Pound for Pound number one and i hope he gets it because he my kinda guy adn goes for the big fights and lays it on the line.

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Cotto has never fought a #1 rated guy! Floyd fought G. Hernandez in only his 18th fight. Hernandez was rated #1 by the ring at the time at Jr. L. Cotto's had 31 fights & never fought a #1 guy... I have to ask why?

Yea but how many All time great have they Fought i have to say it pretty close i say the same number what about you buddy.

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And at the rate Cotto is going he is on better track i mean he is a young man and is taking bigger steps then Floyd for god sakes he took him half the time to beat a all time great and he was younger when he did it. I think in a few Years unless PBF beats him which he might but i bet on Cotto to win he will be the Pound for Pound number one and i hope he gets it because he my kinda guy adn goes for the big fights and lays it on the line.

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Cotto has never fought a #1 rated guy! Floyd fought G. Hernandez in only his 18th fight. Hernandez was rated #1 by the ring at the time at Jr. L. Cotto's had 31 fights & never fought a #1 guy... I have to ask why?

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Oh please. There is not one fighter on PBF's record whom Cotto could not beat. Hernandez was beat by ODLH first. Floyd went around beating up guys who had already ben served by the likes of ODLH, Kostya Tszyu and so on. Cotto came around beating up guys whom Floyd beat and Cotto was stopping those Floyd could not. Cotto has more un-defeated fighters on his record than Floyd has. The only other undefeated fighter on Floyd's record was Corrales. Floyd's best work in my opinion has been at 130 and 135 but some might argue this and that's ok with me. This is just my opinion. I still don't hold or regard PBF as all that. Corrales was not even in the match against PBF. Corrales' distraction was too much and Corrales was not focused. Would you be able to focus knowing you are going to prison? I think not. Floyd still lost against Castillo even though he was given the match. Yes he came back and won the second fight but he lost the first and every one knows this.

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The fact that Paul Williams has 24 knock outs on his resume says that he is at least a little bit of a threat. He is sort of entertaining to watch. He does a lot things and switches gears constantly. I am not saying he is un-beatable, but anyone who beats him will have to put in a lot of work.
I would love to see Malignaggi move up as he claims he is because he wants to fight Cotto again (So he says) LMAO! I would love to see Paulie and Williams get it on. I know Williams can beat him easy but I would like to see just how good Malignaggi's skills are against him. It would be nice to see how PBF and Cotto handle Williams too. I can't help but sort of like Williams because of his freakish height and reach in the welter weight division. He is kind of like a circus side show but in a good way. Williams just turned 26 so there is plenty more of him left to see yet.

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I think he's ok to watch. If he comes out to destroy,he would be fun to watch. I found him frustrating to watch v Tony,because I can't stand pitty patty punches.I don't see anyone beating him unless they KO him. Why? If judges see someone throwing 100 plus punches a round,every round,they are not going to score against him. Unless you can match that or KO him,I don't see him losing. I don't think he's the best fighter per se,it's his style that's awkward.

Bilbo,I don't need a title to tell me who the best fighter is in the division. Stop being so 1 dimensional in your thinking.

Mayweather-fought Sharmba,Judah,Baldo at 147.
Cotto-fought Quintana,Urkal,jUDAH,Mosley.

Who's beaten the better fighters?Who has the most impressive resume AT 147?Use your brain dude,I don't post things with no rationale behind them. Cotto has beaten by far and away the better fighters so deserves number 1 imo.Until the RING establishes itself like one of the paprer orgs,has a proper title and is recognised by all fighters,they are just a reference point. Have you ever seen a Floyd interview asking about the RING title? What does he say? Last one I saw,on Boxing Talk,they asked him and he said,he doesn't care about any title other than the WBC title.

Thank you Gamo people keep bringing up how Floyde is number on yet he has not beat better guys then Cotto but he is better then Cotto in the pound for pound thing but he is not better then Cotto when it comes to the welter cc i complete agree with what you just said just look at the names.

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Yea but how many All time great have they Fought i have to say it pretty close i say the same number what about you buddy.

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Yeah you maybe right.

Gamo why should the Ring become like the alphabet groups? Thats whats ruining the sport. You said it's a reference point... thats what it is! If you wanna know who the champion of a division thats where you gotta look. Just because Cotto may have beaten the beater comp at 147 doesn't automatically make him champion. I agree he's the #1 contender which is where he is rated by the Ring. But Floyd is champ!!! It's plain & simple... until Mayweather is defeated he'll be champ. Thats how it should be. You may feel that Cotto will defeat Floyd I however don't, but if Cotto is victorious I'll then recognize him as champ at 147. Then someone may come along who we all say is better than Cotto but they won't be champ until they defeat him... see how things work... don't you want the game to succeed? At least the Ring is trying to clean up some of the mess!

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Yeah you maybe right.

Gamo why should the Ring become like the alphabet groups? Thats whats ruining the sport. You said it's a reference point... thats what it is! If you wanna know who the champion of a division thats where you gotta look. Just because Cotto may have beaten the beater comp at 147 doesn't automatically make him champion. I agree he's the #1 contender which is where he is rated by the Ring. But Floyd is champ!!! It's plain & simple... until Mayweather is defeated he'll be champ. Thats how it should be. You may feel that Cotto will defeat Floyd I however don't, but if Cotto is victorious I'll then recognize him as champ at 147. Then someone may come along who we all say is better than Cotto but they won't be champ until they defeat him... see how things work... don't you want the game to succeed? At least the Ring is trying to clean up some of the mess!

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Dam. Hey,I can be wrong sometimes,anyone can and although I'm not sure about the whole RING system,primarily because,as I already pointed out,there are so many fighters that do not know/recognise it,you just totally won me over with that post bro. I guess it's true that their system is the best for boxing,I meant,why don't they become an org like the others as in,give ALL thier fighters a title,TELL them they don't have to pay sanctioning fees etc rather than just handing titles to a select few.

Ok,ok,the Gamo was wrong,Floyd IS number 1 by virtue of beating the lineal champ(1 of the worst lineal champs,Badozar). I'll have Cotto at 2 then. Excellent posting though,when you state it like that,it dam sure as heck makes alot of sense. CC.

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Yea but how many All time great have they Fought i have to say it pretty close i say the same number what about you buddy.

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Yeah you maybe right.

Gamo why should the Ring become like the alphabet groups? Thats whats ruining the sport. You said it's a reference point... thats what it is! If you wanna know who the champion of a division thats where you gotta look. Just because Cotto may have beaten the beater comp at 147 doesn't automatically make him champion. I agree he's the #1 contender which is where he is rated by the Ring. But Floyd is champ!!! It's plain & simple... until Mayweather is defeated he'll be champ. Thats how it should be. You may feel that Cotto will defeat Floyd I however don't, but if Cotto is victorious I'll then recognize him as champ at 147. Then someone may come along who we all say is better than Cotto but they won't be champ until they defeat him... see how things work... don't you want the game to succeed? At least the Ring is trying to clean up some of the mess!

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Dam. Hey,I can be wrong sometimes,anyone can and although I'm not sure about the whole RING system,primarily because,as I already pointed out,there are so many fighters that do not know/recognise it,you just totally won me over with that post bro. I guess it's true that their system is the best for boxing,I meant,why don't they become an org like the others as in,give ALL thier fighters a title,TELL them they don't have to pay sanctioning fees etc rather than just handing titles to a select few.

Ok,ok,the Gamo was wrong,Floyd IS number 1 by virtue of beating the lineal champ(1 of the worst lineal champs,Badozar). I'll have Cotto at 2 then. Excellent posting though,when you state it like that,it dam sure as heck makes alot of sense. CC.

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cc Gamo I'm glad you see what I'm saying. Your one of the best posters on Saddo's so I could never understand why you couldn't see the good the Ring is trying to do.

The Ring does give all their champions belts! They do tell them they don't have to pay fees! It'll take time but I think it'll make a difference.
I also agree that Baldomir wasn't brilliant but Floyd had been set to face Judah (until Zab crumbled) which at the time looked to be a great match-up!

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Genaro Hernandez had never been beaten at Superfeatherweight when Mayweather fought him. And Hernandez had win against the great Azumah Nelson that was great victory for Mayweather considering he only had 17 pro fights.

Reminds me of when Whitaker fought Jose Luis Ramirez when Whitaker only had 15 pro fights except Whitaker got robbed unfortunately >:mad

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Yeah you maybe right.

Gamo why should the Ring become like the alphabet groups? Thats whats ruining the sport. You said it's a reference point... thats what it is! If you wanna know who the champion of a division thats where you gotta look. Just because Cotto may have beaten the beater comp at 147 doesn't automatically make him champion. I agree he's the #1 contender which is where he is rated by the Ring. But Floyd is champ!!! It's plain & simple... until Mayweather is defeated he'll be champ. Thats how it should be. You may feel that Cotto will defeat Floyd I however don't, but if Cotto is victorious I'll then recognize him as champ at 147. Then someone may come along who we all say is better than Cotto but they won't be champ until they defeat him... see how things work... don't you want the game to succeed? At least the Ring is trying to clean up some of the mess!

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Dam. Hey,I can be wrong sometimes,anyone can and although I'm not sure about the whole RING system,primarily because,as I already pointed out,there are so many fighters that do not know/recognise it,you just totally won me over with that post bro. I guess it's true that their system is the best for boxing,I meant,why don't they become an org like the others as in,give ALL thier fighters a title,TELL them they don't have to pay sanctioning fees etc rather than just handing titles to a select few.

Ok,ok,the Gamo was wrong,Floyd IS number 1 by virtue of beating the lineal champ(1 of the worst lineal champs,Badozar). I'll have Cotto at 2 then. Excellent posting though,when you state it like that,it dam sure as heck makes alot of sense. CC.

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cc Gamo I'm glad you see what I'm saying. Your one of the best posters on Saddo's so I could never understand why you couldn't see the good the Ring is trying to do.

The Ring does give all their champions belts! They do tell them they don't have to pay fees! It'll take time but I think it'll make a difference.
I also agree that Baldomir wasn't brilliant but Floyd had been set to face Judah (until Zab crumbled) which at the time looked to be a great match-up!

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I guess I didn't respect the RING as much as I should because of the things I mentioned plus you never hear the announcer say "RING champion" and so many fighters dont mention it. I agree with you now though,1 champ per division is awesome BUT,I honestly didn't know they told the fighters there were no sanctioning fees and they gave them all titles. Are you sure? That makes the fighters look like mornons if they don't like the RING then! Man,I just ate a big slice of humble pie :P ;D ;D :D

he's a good fighter and imagining anyone beating him is hard because of his activity, height and reach.

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Ok,I give Tony a chance IF he starts early and I did think Kermit would be able to KO him but now I think Kermit is unable to take pressure and has not improved as I had thought. I think Williams beats 2 bags of S*** out of Hatton,Oscar,Clottey,Collazo and Judah if ANY dare to fight him

(I'd like to add that Zab Judah and Carlos Quintana have been offered to fight Williams for Feb 3,since Kermit "injured", I doubt either takes it)

The only question mark for me is Cotto and I LOVE Cotto but I only think PW style gives him hell. PW would pot shot,and whenever he got inside,PW would hold.Like he did with Tony.He would have to bang early and hope PW tries to war. Tony and Cotto have the best chances imo.

(I actually hate to admit this but this freak is going to be a handful for ANYONE and he will fight ANYONE.Tall,good handspeed,pitty patty punches which don't hurt but dam sure as heck count and a FREAKISHLY long jab make him a force. I think he would struggle at the higher weights but as for now,at 147,he is going to take some beating )

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I pretty much agree with you. I know he took big shots from Tony but i did wonder how he'd handle shots form Cintron...

But since Cintron is STILL showing signs of flapping under pressure, I guess Williams has the tools to beat Cintron too :)

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Ok,I give Tony a chance IF he starts early and I did think Kermit would be able to KO him but now I think Kermit is unable to take pressure and has not improved as I had thought. I think Williams beats 2 bags of S*** out of Hatton,Oscar,Clottey,Collazo and Judah if ANY dare to fight him

(I'd like to add that Zab Judah and Carlos Quintana have been offered to fight Williams for Feb 3,since Kermit "injured", I doubt either takes it)

The only question mark for me is Cotto and I LOVE Cotto but I only think PW style gives him hell. PW would pot shot,and whenever he got inside,PW would hold.Like he did with Tony.He would have to bang early and hope PW tries to war. Tony and Cotto have the best chances imo.

(I actually hate to admit this but this freak is going to be a handful for ANYONE and he will fight ANYONE.Tall,good handspeed,pitty patty punches which don't hurt but dam sure as heck count and a FREAKISHLY long jab make him a force. I think he would struggle at the higher weights but as for now,at 147,he is going to take some beating )

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I pretty much agree with you. I know he took big shots from Tony but i did wonder how he'd handle shots form Cintron...

But since Cintron is STILL showing signs of flapping under pressure, I guess Williams has the tools to beat Cintron too :)

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I think Cintron's power is a bit overrated he has never stopped anyone worth mentioning.

Williams will easily beat Cintron. He'll have him so frustrated by the 8th round or so that it will be like mugging a baby after that. I know I'm a Cintron hater, but the guy seemed like he was going to fold under Feliciano at the end of several rounds and we all know what a shamefaced performance against Margarito he had. Just because he ktfo Mathysse doesn't mean he'll stay with any of the top tier WW's. Williams will wear him down mentally and then either get a UD or will k.o. Cintron in the late rounds. Williams is a good fighter, but because of that freaky frame he will be tough to beat just on a punch outrate point of view. Cotto will have to go back to mauling people to beat PW, as he can't sit out and box with a guy with that much reach. I'd love to see a PW/Cotto fight just to watch Cotto get inside and go old school on him, if he can. I'd like to see PW fight Zab and beat what little hair Zab still has on his face off. PW is a tough, tough fight for anyone, Mayweather included.