Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??

Imo he is certainly on his way im big Cotto fan but even i thought Mosley would be too much for him but he proved me wrong and im glad. I think Cotto is much less one dimensional than Trinidad was, Cotto can switch Southpaw, he can fight on the back foot and counter, he also uses his jab to good effect. I think he can beat everyone at Welterweight except Mayweather. although Tony is bad style match up for Cotto im a bit worried about that match up, and Also Paul Williams but i don't think Williams has the fire power to hold off Cotto and i also think Cotto's body shots would be too much for the slim Williams. But in your opinion can Cotto be as good as Trinidad was ??

I certainly think he can be as good.. But as both an athlete and a man im not sure it would be possible to outshine tito

I just think although cotto is very entertaining that tito was more entertaining

What about Cotto vs Trinidad now that would have been good ;)

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Trinidad would of won imo, not many would survive against Tito at WW in a toe to toe battle.

Shame Tito will never make 147lbs again old welterweight legend vs new welterweight legend in the making

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Well supposedly Tito is using Cotto as sparring partner for the Roy Jones Jr fight.

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No its not interesting, its stupid. Tito is already putting himself at a disadvantage fighting so high in weight and if hes sparring a jr welterweight then that aint good. Jones still has power and tito hasnt been hit by a light heavyweight before so i think hes in a load of trouble.

better.

I think the skys the limit for miguel, I think as far as boxing greatness he is well on the way to surpassing Tito, but in the popularity stakes he is a long way away, Tito was like a puerto rican God.

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Cuz it's not. Cotto is not sparring with Trinidad

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It was a rumor going around on another website i posted it here i think, i don't think Tito would spar with Cotto either but its just what i heard.

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Ya, I'd like to see a link with a credible source on this one. I don't see why Cotto would want to be a sparring partner, and I don't see why Tito thinks that Cotto would prepare him well for Jones.

Cotto and Jones are about as opposite as you can get in terms of fighting style.

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It was a rumor going around on another website i posted it here i think, i don't think Tito would spar with Cotto either but its just what i heard.

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Ya, I'd like to see a link with a credible source on this one. I don't see why Cotto would want to be a sparring partner, and I don't see why Tito thinks that Cotto would prepare him well for Jones.

Cotto and Jones are about as opposite as you can get in terms of fighting style.

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Who can Tito spar with though to prepare him for Jones ?? there is no one who has an awkward style like Jones or anyone as fast as Jones at Lightheavyweight that could prepare him for Jones.

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Ya, I'd like to see a link with a credible source on this one. I don't see why Cotto would want to be a sparring partner, and I don't see why Tito thinks that Cotto would prepare him well for Jones.

Cotto and Jones are about as opposite as you can get in terms of fighting style.

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Who can Tito spar with though to prepare him for Jones ?? there is no one who has an awkward style like Jones or anyone as fast as Jones at Lightheavyweight that could prepare him for Jones.

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Obviously, there's no one who's exactly like Jones. But you can't get more opposite than Jones and Cotto.

Jones is fighter who doesn't jab, doesn't throw to the body. Cotto's whole attack is based around jabbing and going to the body.

Cotto almost always comes forward. Jones, at this stage of his career, spends most of the fight moving backwards or laying on the ropes to rest.

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Ya, I'd like to see a link with a credible source on this one. I don't see why Cotto would want to be a sparring partner, and I don't see why Tito thinks that Cotto would prepare him well for Jones.

Cotto and Jones are about as opposite as you can get in terms of fighting style.

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Who can Tito spar with though to prepare him for Jones ?? there is no one who has an awkward style like Jones or anyone as fast as Jones at Lightheavyweight that could prepare him for Jones.

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Obviously, there's no one who's exactly like Jones. But you can't get more opposite than Jones and Cotto.

Jones is fighter who doesn't jab, doesn't throw to the body. Cotto's whole attack is based around jabbing and going to the body.

Cotto almost always comes forward. Jones, at this stage of his career, spends most of the fight moving backwards or laying on the ropes to rest.

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Im not trying to justify Cotto as a sparring partner im just saying who is there at Lightheavyweight that can prepare him for Jones ?? no one imo.

Titos best opponents: Cottos:
Camacho Torres
Campas Paulie
Carr Quintana
Whitaker Zab
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It took Tito 3 yrs to win his 1st title, it took Cotto 3 yrs to win his 1st title.
Titos a 3 division champ, Cottos already a 2 division champ.

IMO in order for Cotto to be as good or even better then Tito he needs the big names PBF, Margarito, Cintron, Williams.
If they move up in weight Hatton, Witter and possible rematches with Paulie & Torres since both of those guys gave Cotto a very good fight.

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Imo he is certainly on his way im big Cotto fan but even i thought Mosley would be too much for him but he proved me wrong and im glad. I think Cotto is much less one dimensional than Trinidad was, Cotto can switch Southpaw, he can fight on the back foot and counter, he also uses his jab to good effect. I think he can beat everyone at Welterweight except Mayweather. although Tony is bad style match up for Cotto im a bit worried about that match up, and Also Paul Williams but i don't think Williams has the fire power to hold off Cotto and i also think Cotto's body shots would be too much for the slim Williams. But in your opinion can Cotto be as good as Trinidad was ??

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Personally...I hate the comparison.

Cotto has proven that he's a far better fighter than Tito...it's just the marketability that's the problem.

Tito is a brighter star than Cotto is...& in the end...that's that, for me. Now I realize that Tito fans are gonna go apeshit...but sit down & watch Cotto from start to current finish. He's the better boxer all the way around. He's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

That's almost scarey.

When I say that I hate the comparison...I'm being as sincere as I can be. I think that Cotto's got twice the potential...& less than half the personality.

It's unjust to compare them...unjust & unfair...to both fighters.

While Tito pales in comparison to Cotto, IWHO, now & then...he was a great fighter who was just that...a fighter...& not a boxer. Again, this is only my opinion...take it or leave it...I know that many will not agree...but the facts are the facts & Cotto proved against Mosley that he could & would be able to hang with legitamately equipped boxers.

The exact opposite of Trinidad, IWHO.

So in answer to your question...Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was??

Again...I say that he already is.

Can he be as beloved & famous as Tito was?

No...I don't think so. He's popular...but mostly in Puerto & New York.

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Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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I agree. Tito's record was tainted a bit because of his losses to winky and BHOP, but at 147 i think Titio would give Cotto hell. He is arguably one of the hardest punchers ever at that weight.
I dont see Cotto beating prime oscar, vargas, mayorga, and KTFO 160 champ joppy.
And i cannot see cotto making 15 defenses at 147.

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I think Wacko means he is less one dimensional than Tito was, Cotto has shown us arrange of boxing skills, like fighting on the back foot and countering, switching southpaw, using his jab etc.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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I think Wacko means he is less one dimensional than Tito was, Cotto has shown us arrange of boxing skills, like fighting on the back foot and countering, switching southpaw, using his jab etc.

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Exactly...& I really don't think that that's such a hard think to see if you take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to Trinidad.

Oscar, Hopkins, & Wright all made Trinidad look confused...& quite honestly...Hopkins made him look silly...ridiculous.

Cotto is a much more well rounded boxer than Trinidad ever was.

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I think Wacko means he is less one dimensional than Tito was, Cotto has shown us arrange of boxing skills, like fighting on the back foot and countering, switching southpaw, using his jab etc.

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Exactly...& I really don't think that that's such a hard think to see if you take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to Trinidad.

Oscar, Hopkins, & Wright all made Trinidad look confused...& quite honestly...Hopkins made him look silly...ridiculous.

Cotto is a much more well rounded boxer than Trinidad ever was.

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Do you think prime Winky and prime Hopkins, both at 160, would not clearly beat Cotto as well? I sure think they would.

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Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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OK, it's probably best that we agree to disagree. Because while I'll agree that Cotto has the potential to get better (and be better than Tito), I just do not see how he can, at his point in his career, already be considered a better fighter than someone (Tito) who will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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I think Wacko means he is less one dimensional than Tito was, Cotto has shown us arrange of boxing skills, like fighting on the back foot and countering, switching southpaw, using his jab etc.

Where as Tito never had a plan b.

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Exactly...& I really don't think that that's such a hard think to see if you take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to Trinidad.

Oscar, Hopkins, & Wright all made Trinidad look confused...& quite honestly...Hopkins made him look silly...ridiculous.

Cotto is a much more well rounded boxer than Trinidad ever was.

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Rose-colored glasses for Trinidad isn't the issue. Cotto is one of my favorite fighters.

Do you think prime Winky and prime Hopkins, both at 160, would not clearly beat Cotto as well? I sure think they would.

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Your'e talking about weight...I'm talking about talent.

Honestly...I didn't expect Cotto to handle Judah, Quintana, & Mosley the way that he did...so pitted against a lighter version of Wright or Hopkins or Oscar...prime or not...pressed against Cotto's prime...I don't think it's as ludicrous as you are trying to make it seem.

Cotto's got something...that extra special something...I aint sure whether or not it's heart...guts...or just the desire to want to totally tear into his opponent...but whatever it is...it's been getting bigger, brighter, & better with each fight...& to be honest...unless he get's in with Floyd or get's stupid against Williams or Margarito...I just don't know who I'd lean on to beat him.

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Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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Based on what?

Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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OK, it's probably best that we agree to disagree. Because while I'll agree that Cotto has the potential to get better (and be better than Tito), I just do not see how he can, at his point in his career, already be considered a better fighter than someone (Tito) who will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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Cotto has proven that he's a far better fighter than Tito...

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Based on what?

Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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OK, it's probably best that we agree to disagree. Because while I'll agree that Cotto has the potential to get better (and be better than Tito), I just do not see how he can, at his point in his career, already be considered a better fighter than someone (Tito) who will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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He doesn't mean he has accomplished more than Tito he means, he think's Cotto has more arrange of skills than Tito had, And he is less 1 dimensional.

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Exactly.

Cotto has proven to be a much smarter fighter...when he set's down in his game. He's absolutely 100% more multi-dimensional than Trinidad ever even thought of entertaining.

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Based on what?

Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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OK, it's probably best that we agree to disagree. Because while I'll agree that Cotto has the potential to get better (and be better than Tito), I just do not see how he can, at his point in his career, already be considered a better fighter than someone (Tito) who will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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He doesn't mean he has accomplished more than Tito he means, he think's Cotto has more arrange of skills than Tito had, And he is less 1 dimensional.

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And that's a highly debateable a point.

Regardless, in his original post, he said Cotto was "better." When you say someone is better, then you're talking about accomplishment, in one way or another.

Do you think Zab Judah and a 36 year old Mosley would have fared better against a prime 147 pound Tito than they did against a prime 147 pound Cotto? I don't.

And by the way, no one ever talked of Trinidad being completely one-dimensional until he was dismantled by Hopkins, and later Wright. Let's see how Cotto fares when he faces someone of that caliber.

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Cotto has proven that he's a far better fighter than Tito...

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Based on what?

Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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OK, it's probably best that we agree to disagree. Because while I'll agree that Cotto has the potential to get better (and be better than Tito), I just do not see how he can, at his point in his career, already be considered a better fighter than someone (Tito) who will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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He doesn't mean he has accomplished more than Tito he means, he think's Cotto has more arrange of skills than Tito had, And he is less 1 dimensional.

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Exactly.

Cotto has proven to be a much smarter fighter...when he set's down in his game. He's absolutely 100% more multi-dimensional than Trinidad ever even thought of entertaining.

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I agree Cotto has changed his gameplan, plenty of times in fights with Mosley, Judah, Abdulaev, he has shown he can fight off the backfoot and Counter. Switching Southpaw, using his Jab, patient, body and head shots etc. Tito in fights with Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright never changed his gameplan. In the Wright fight Tito kept getting caught with the same basic combo from Wright and never once tried to change his gameplan in the fights i mentioned.

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Cotto has proven that he's a far better fighter than Tito...

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Based on what?

Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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OK, it's probably best that we agree to disagree. Because while I'll agree that Cotto has the potential to get better (and be better than Tito), I just do not see how he can, at his point in his career, already be considered a better fighter than someone (Tito) who will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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He doesn't mean he has accomplished more than Tito he means, he think's Cotto has more arrange of skills than Tito had, And he is less 1 dimensional.

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And that's a highly debateable a point.

Regardless, in his original post, he said Cotto was "better." When you say someone is better, then you're talking about accomplishment, in one way or another.

Do you think Zab Judah and a 36 year old Mosley would have fared better against a prime 147 pound Tito than they did against a prime 147 pound Cotto? I don't.

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Regardless, in his original post, he said Cotto was "better." When you say someone is better, then you're talking about accomplishment, in one way or another.

He wasn't though, he never said he thought Cotto has achieved more than Tito. He was basically saying Cotto has more of a arrange of skills than Tito has.

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Cotto has proven that he's a far better fighter than Tito...

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Based on what?

Cotto COULD eventually prove to be the better fighter. I don't see how anyone could say he's clearly better yet.

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I think that he's far more dynamic than Tito ever was.

Based on performances against Judah & Mosley to only name a couple of players.

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More dynamic than Tito's performances at 147, his fight with Vargas at 154, and his destruction of Joppy at 160?

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As I said before...I think that Cotto's far more superior at this moment...& Cotto's still improving & far from his peak.

Cotto has only just arrived at 147...so as I stated...at this moment...I consider him to be the better boxer based on what he's already done. Yes.

Haven't see him at either one of those weights...unless you factor in what he undiciplinly weighed against Corley.

I honestly don't believe that Cotto would be really effective at 160lbs...but neither was Tito.

I just think that Cotto's a hell of a lot more well rounded & if he get's in with a skilled boxer, like he did with Mosley, he won't get pressed like a pair of cotton slacks as Trinidad did against Wright...who owned him with a jab & the same 1-2 combo all night long. Nor do I feel that he will buckled under the pressure like a belt as he did against Hopkins.

Cotto has been thrown in with some speedy skilled boxers & has surprised even his most debdicated fans...as I am proud to admit.

While it may be hard for you to see what I am trying to get at...it's just under the surface...one that Cotto has yet to even scratch...but it's there. Plain to see.

Cotto can, has, & will be great.

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OK, it's probably best that we agree to disagree. Because while I'll agree that Cotto has the potential to get better (and be better than Tito), I just do not see how he can, at his point in his career, already be considered a better fighter than someone (Tito) who will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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He doesn't mean he has accomplished more than Tito he means, he think's Cotto has more arrange of skills than Tito had, And he is less 1 dimensional.

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And that's a highly debateable a point.

Regardless, in his original post, he said Cotto was "better." When you say someone is better, then you're talking about accomplishment, in one way or another.

Do you think Zab Judah and a 36 year old Mosley would have fared better against a prime 147 pound Tito than they did against a prime 147 pound Cotto? I don't.

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Regardless, in his original post, he said Cotto was "better." When you say someone is better, then you're talking about accomplishment, in one way or another.

He wasn't though, he never said he thought Cotto has achieved more than Tito. He was basically saying Cotto has more of a arrange of skills than Tito has.

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Well then I would be interested to see his answer to the question I posed before:
Do you think Zab Judah and a 36 year old Mosley would have fared better against a prime 147 pound Tito than they did against a prime 147 pound Cotto?

Because if Cotto is better and has a wider array of skills, then the answer should be Yes. I say no.

He can be better.