Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.

It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a cunt is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace. ::**

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And neither are dog chapman or don imus.

He is fucking stupid though.

I actually think the whole think was a way to hype the fight. Hopkins probably called Joe and said "here's how we get people interested...go to the biggest fight of the year weigh in and hype another UK/US, Black/White fight. I'll play the Floyd role, you play the good guy and we'll get the ball rolling and make some great money."

Hopkins just went too far by making a dickhead comment that will turn people off rather than on. The world is far too PC nowadays.

just moved this to here so the other thread can be divered here....

BOX ON..

Sorry Bilbo, but I'm afraid whilst the comment in of itself isn't high on the racist scale, what it does do is suggest something about the man behind the words and the implication that he believes himself to be better than any white man to ever pull on boxing gloves. And in that, he rules out the possibility that any white man could be better than him, which is racist.

In terms of scale of racism, it is close to one one the one to ten scale of severity, but it still is racist.

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Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

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I can't see how it would need to reach such a scale to become racist, surely just a comment about a p**i at the corner store or a n****r is racist, and doesn't involve any of your description.

I do think the comment was racist how can it not have been? He may not trully believe the shit he said as in he's not really a racist but that doesn't prevent the statement from being racist. I really think he's promoting the fight, and shit I mean we already have a 3 page thread on it, so obviously he knows what he's doing, I just wish he had went another route about it, I hate when anything becomes racialized. I hope joe knows better and doesn't degrade himself to this level just to promote a fight, I hope he responds with something class where he still manages to call hop a moron for believing that no white man could ever beat him.

you believe that because you're a self-admitted proud racist yourself, blibo ;)

It's just hyping their forthcoming fight. he same guy saying he can't lose to a white guy is backing Hatton to beat Floyd.

I just think that everyone looks for things to go apeshit over with & Hopkins is known for cranking up the controversy.

It's easy to say that he aint being a racist...but if the shoe was on the other foot & Gatti had said something on the color of Floyd's skin prior to there fight...Gatti'd be thought of as a Klansman.

There again...it's alright for Pacquiao to say that there isn't a Mexican alive that can beat him & that he is the "Mexi-killer"...again...personally...I think that everyone looks for things to go apeshit over.

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Sorry Bilbo, but I'm afraid whilst the comment in of itself isn't high on the racist scale, what it does do is suggest something about the man behind the words and the implication that he believes himself to be better than any white man to ever pull on boxing gloves. And in that, he rules out the possibility that any white man could be better than him, which is racist.

In terms of scale of racism, it is close to one one the one to ten scale of severity, but it still is racist.

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Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

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I can't see how it would need to reach such a scale to become racist, surely just a comment about a p**i at the corner store or a n****r is racist, and doesn't involve any of your description.

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It's not racist Rhun. The balck man has a long history stretching back hundreds of years of being oppressed by white's. If they have any resentments it's nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with history.

Growing up as a black in America where white's rule you are bound to feel some resentment and general hostility.

Is it any coincidence that virtually all of boxing's most flashy and flamboyant characters are/were black?

They have come from being part of a social underclass to being achievers in a white world.

It may sound hypocritical to say it would have been racist if the other way around but that is defintely the case here because of history.

I've said this before on the forum but past association is everything.

If Santa puts your child on his knee, ruffles there hair and shouts 'Ho ho ho, merry christmas' and gives them a present it's fun and part of what christmas is supposed to be about. If Gary Glitter on the other hand was to attempt to do that to your child you'd have a different mindset entirely.

Black people in general don't have any power to racially subjecate white people so they have little power to actually be racist.

Black gangs certainly can act racially in America but how can Hopkins actually be racist towards Calzaghe?

If you were to tell me you hated your boss and thought he was a cunt that's no crime. If your boss on the other hand tells another senior member of staff that you are a cunt that could be construed as intimidation or prejadicial seeing as your boss and other senior members of your workplace have authority over you.

Does that make sense?

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you believe that because you're a self-admitted proud racist yourself, blibo ;)

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Ah come on now if I was really racist against black people I'd hardly be defending a black man who insulted a fellow white man would I? ??? :P

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It's not racist Rhun. The balck man has a long history stretching back hundreds of years of being oppressed by white's. If they have any resentments it's nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with history.

Growing up as a black in America where white's rule you are bound to feel some resentment and general hostility.

Is it any coincidence that virtually all of boxing's most flashy and flamboyant characters are/were black?

They have come from being part of a social underclass to being achievers in a white world.

It may sound hypocritical to say it would have been racist if the other way around but that is defintely the case here because of history.

I've said this before on the forum but past association is everything.

If Santa puts your child on his knee, ruffles there hair and shouts 'Ho ho ho, merry christmas' and gives them a present it's fun and part of what christmas is supposed to be about. If Gary Glitter on the other hand was to attempt to do that to your child you'd have a different mindset entirely.

Black people in general don't have any power to racially subjecate white people so they have little power to actually be racist.

Black gangs certainly can act racially in America but how can Hopkins actually be racist towards Calzaghe?

If you were to tell me you hated your boss and thought he was a c*** that's no crime. If your boss on the other hand tells another senior member of staff that you are a c*** that could be construed as intimidation or prejadicial seeing as your boss and other senior members of your workplace have authority over you.

Does that make sense?

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It's not that I don't see what you're digging at here Bilbo, but I just think it does amount to racism, in that it differentiates between people on terms of race.

My concern, in saying that its ok for black people to differentiate on a racial basis is that it is straying close to giving racist groups the logical go-ahead to justifying racism by saying that black people have been subjugated for so long historically so they should be used to it. I know it is a step and a jump away from what B-Hop said, but if it becomes ok for one racial group to do it, then it will spread.

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It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace. ::**

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Hopkins may not be a racist but in truth comments like that do not come out unless somewhere inside you have a small hint of those feelings...There may hve been a part of it for hype but you know what resorting to such things to sell a fight makes it even lower in my book......You have F'IN Millions of dollars your nor your family is starving now or will they ever inb the future....And iof you feel the need to make comments like that to help cash another paycheck then that brings you down even another rung in the ladder

Respect to you Daxx, when you're a fan of a fighter, as I know you are/were of Hopkins, it's easy to dismiss some of the things they say as just trash talk or whatever, but you fronted up and showed you stick to your princples right here.

However, I don't think that it is quite the same as Calzaghe saying he could never lost to a black man, (which would certainly cause a whole heap more uproar,) because of the historical links and white people traditionally having been the ethnic majority in most western cultures. And if he said he would never lose to a black man, he'd lose me as a fan too.

CC Man.

And CC back to you Rhun....It has nothing to do with the fact he said it in a demeaning manner towards white's...I am not even white...I am Half Mongolian half Puerto Rican...In was the racial comment or hint towards or attemp to build the fight...(depending on whose eyes it is looked upon)....

I would have felt the same way if it was a comment from him towards a latin, oriental, jewish or any other race....it's just low class.....

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It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace. ::**

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Hopkins may not be a racist but in truth comments like that do not come out unless somewhere inside you have a small hint of those feelings...There may hve been a part of it for hype but you know what resorting to such things to sell a fight makes it even lower in my book......You have F'IN Millions of dollars your nor your family is starving now or will they ever inb the future....And iof you feel the need to make comments like that to help cash another paycheck then that brings you down even another rung in the ladder

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But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

I don't see it any different than staff on a lower rung in a big company having grievances against their supervisors etc.

It's not a racial thing, it's a behavioural thing.

I really don't see anything wrong with the comment at all in the context. He's a fighter trying to create a rivalry and hype a possible showdown with Calzaghe.

To say he'll never lose to a white man just ups the ante.

The grudges are being laid down and the rivalry is being created.

Isn't that what we as fight fans want at the end of the day? We want them to needle each other, show each other contempt and get in each other's faces. It's what makes a good fight.

To want them to pound the shit out of each other all the time cheering on the fighter of your choice but at the same time showing disdain for a comment one of them made to rile up the other is just completely incongrous to me.

Bilbo i'm afraid I have to disagree.
Racism is not simply the performance of an oppresive act upon a member of a particular ethnic group or race, it is the generalisation and judgement of a person or group of people of a different ethnicity.

Hopkins' comments were not made completely in a throw away manner. He elaborated on how he would never allow a white man to beat him, classifying Joe Calzaghe as a White and also expressing his belief that he was superior to the White man.

I believe Daxx alluded to the reversal of rolls earlier?
Had Calzaghe publicly stated that he would never let a coloured man beat him, what reaction would that have drawn from the general public?

It is unfortunate that a man of Hopjkins' stature should allow himself to make public such statements that are not only offensive but also unprovoked and unnecessary.
As this is the second such display of racial disrespect I have witnessed from Hokins (the first being before the mTrinidad fight,) i feel that the man (not the fighter) has dropped in my estimation and I may never fully forgive his character this flaw.
But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime.
Bilbo, he is a far cry from those mean nstreets now. And in reality how much oppresssion do you feel Bernard Hopkins expierienced. He may have been discriminated sure, but do you feel he was ever kept down by white people?

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It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace. ::**

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Hopkins may not be a racist but in truth comments like that do not come out unless somewhere inside you have a small hint of those feelings...There may hve been a part of it for hype but you know what resorting to such things to sell a fight makes it even lower in my book......You have F'IN Millions of dollars your nor your family is starving now or will they ever inb the future....And iof you feel the need to make comments like that to help cash another paycheck then that brings you down even another rung in the ladder

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But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

I don't see it any different than staff on a lower rung in a big company having grievances against their supervisors etc.

It's not a racial thing, it's a behavioural thing.

I really don't see anything wrong with the comment at all in the context. He's a fighter trying to create a rivalry and hype a possible showdown with Calzaghe.

To say he'll never lose to a white man just ups the ante.

The grudges are being laid down and the rivalry is being created.

Isn't that what we as fight fans want at the end of the day? We want them to needle each other, show each other contempt and get in each other's faces. It's what makes a good fight.

To want them to pound the S*** out of each other all the time cheering on the fighter of your choice but at the same time showing disdain for a comment one of them made to rile up the other is just completely incongrous to me.

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Bilbo if you actually belioeve the words you just wrote

But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

The you are just as big of an asshole as Hopkins if not more.....I grew up in QueensBridge Projects and Alphabet City two of possibly the worst neighboorhoods in the United States during the 1980's...and there are plenty of people who grew up there and in other places even worse who do not think that way either.....

To use where you grew up as an excuse for sauch a thing is a cop out and excuse for your behavior...and anyone who condones such a thing is just as big of peice of trash if not bigger.....

Same goes for those who grew up more privledged and thinking those less off or who lived in lesser neighborhoods are beneath them....

Sorry Mate but you just either showed your true colors or tried being a smart ass at the wrong time

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Bilbo i'm afraid I have to disagree.
Racism is not simply the performance of an oppresive act upon a member of a particular ethnic group or race, it is the generalisation and judgement of a person or group of people of a different ethnicity.

Hopkins' comments were not made completely in a throw away manner. He elaborated on how he would never allow a white man to beat him, classifying Joe Calzaghe as a White and also expressing his belief that he was superior to the White man.

I believe Daxx alluded to the reversal of rolls earlier?
Had Calzaghe publicly stated that he would never let a coloured man beat him, what reaction would that have drawn from the general public?

It is unfortunate that a man of Hopjkins' stature should allow himself to make public such statements that are not only offensive but also unprovoked and unnecessary.
As this is the second such display of racial disrespect I have witnessed from Hokins (the first being before the mTrinidad fight,) i feel that the man (not the fighter) has dropped in my estimation and I may never fully forgive his character this flaw.
But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime.
Bilbo, he is a far cry from those mean nstreets now. And in reality how much oppresssion do you feel Bernard Hopkins expierienced. He may have been discriminated sure, but do you feel he was ever kept down by white people?

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It's not the same though Donny. White's as a race DID openly feel superior to blacks, we enslaved them, we thought them subhuman, like beasts of burden and cattle. That's what racism is.

Blacks feeling digruntled against whites for hundreds of years of past treatment isn't racism it's just natural behaviour.

Hopkins is from the streets and still speaks like he's from the streets. But at the end of the day he's a boxer not a politician.

As far as I'm concerned he can say what the hell he likes. If Calzaghe were to say the same thing in reverse it would take on a whole different meaning considering the weight of history.

White's have never been racially subjecated by blacks its the other way around.

If a convicted child sex offender repeatedely hugs other people's children it's viewed with suspician, wheras if a little kid hugs another child or an adult it's something completely different.

Anyway all I can say is that Hopkins comment worked. We are all talking about it, which at the end of the day is all he wanted.

Next he'll be naming a bear Calzaghe and being sent to jail with 20 lashings ;D

I'm just going to take it as hype and look forward to joe whooping his superiour coloured ass when the fight finally happens...


Floyd definetly has a mouth bigger than texas, but even he has the class not to bring black and white into all the hype that went into their December 8 fight... I think it's a completely unnessary comment, but I don't want to make it to much more that what it is.. He could have said I'll never be beaten by someone from the UK, or named Joe, or whatever,,,, he said someone white... everyone needs to be a little less touchy....

I'm white and as paper and i'm not taking offence to it... Racism is really highly overrated in this day and age...

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace. ::**

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Hopkins may not be a racist but in truth comments like that do not come out unless somewhere inside you have a small hint of those feelings...There may hve been a part of it for hype but you know what resorting to such things to sell a fight makes it even lower in my book......You have F'IN Millions of dollars your nor your family is starving now or will they ever inb the future....And iof you feel the need to make comments like that to help cash another paycheck then that brings you down even another rung in the ladder

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But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

I don't see it any different than staff on a lower rung in a big company having grievances against their supervisors etc.

It's not a racial thing, it's a behavioural thing.

I really don't see anything wrong with the comment at all in the context. He's a fighter trying to create a rivalry and hype a possible showdown with Calzaghe.

To say he'll never lose to a white man just ups the ante.

The grudges are being laid down and the rivalry is being created.

Isn't that what we as fight fans want at the end of the day? We want them to needle each other, show each other contempt and get in each other's faces. It's what makes a good fight.

To want them to pound the S*** out of each other all the time cheering on the fighter of your choice but at the same time showing disdain for a comment one of them made to rile up the other is just completely incongrous to me.

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Bilbo if you actually belioeve the words you just wrote

But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime. White's are the polar opposite, affluent, middle class, the have's versus the have not's.

The you are just as big of an asshole as Hopkins if not more.....I grew up in QueensBridge Projects and Alphabet City two of possibly the worst neighboorhoods in the United States during the 1980's...and there are plenty of people who grew up there and in other places even worse who do not think that way either.....

To use where you grew up as an excuse for sauch a thing is a cop out and excuse for your behavior...and anyone who condones such a thing is just as big of peice of trash if not bigger.....

Same goes for those who grew up more privledged and thinking those less off or who lived in lesser neighborhoods are beneath them....

Sorry Mate but you just either showed your true colors or tried being a smart a** at the wrong time

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True colours? ??? So I'm racist now? Against who? It can't be blacks seeing as I'm defending a black, so whites?

But am I white? ???

I'm confused :-\

When hopkins makes the call that he will never step in the ring with a man who is white,,,, then i'll start to point out that we have a racism problem.

The point bilbo is trying to make is a very tough one to make. Especially for such a subjective topic. Depending on how you look at it, how you judge it, where your coming from, your understanding or personal feeling of the level racism effects people,,,, it can be taken many different ways..

And on a purely technical level, you can say that what hopkins said is definition racism,,, simply by implying a different level of something between someone white and someone black....

But that's as far as technicality goes and the rest is in how anyone feels about the subject and what they bring to the table in viewing his words....

So I can absolutely understand everyone's points,,, and don't beleive anyone is wrong in what they are saying...


A comment to two very very similar people could simply wash of one persons back, and cut the other one very deep emotionally..... I suppose that's why it's a silly comment to make because obviously a lot of people have deep feeling towards the mention of a difference between black and white people.

I personally take it with a grain of salt and see a different picture to what other people do... But respect other people have different interpretations of what his comment means.

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Bilbo i'm afraid I have to disagree.
Racism is not simply the performance of an oppresive act upon a member of a particular ethnic group or race, it is the generalisation and judgement of a person or group of people of a different ethnicity.

Hopkins' comments were not made completely in a throw away manner. He elaborated on how he would never allow a white man to beat him, classifying Joe Calzaghe as a White and also expressing his belief that he was superior to the White man.

I believe Daxx alluded to the reversal of rolls earlier?
Had Calzaghe publicly stated that he would never let a coloured man beat him, what reaction would that have drawn from the general public?

It is unfortunate that a man of Hopjkins' stature should allow himself to make public such statements that are not only offensive but also unprovoked and unnecessary.
As this is the second such display of racial disrespect I have witnessed from Hokins (the first being before the mTrinidad fight,) i feel that the man (not the fighter) has dropped in my estimation and I may never fully forgive his character this flaw.
But even if he does harbour feelings against white people why is it racist? He's a black youth who grew up with no prospects, running gangs and living a life of crime.
Bilbo, he is a far cry from those mean nstreets now. And in reality how much oppresssion do you feel Bernard Hopkins expierienced. He may have been discriminated sure, but do you feel he was ever kept down by white people?

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Really
You have any idea how bad Bob Arum tried him to bend him over the trash can with no vaseline or even a little a bit of KY or even a bit of spit?
Clue time here Donny
Philadelphia is one of the most segregated cities in the entire world
South Philadelphia is Italian
Northeast Philadelphia is Irish
East north Philly is Peurto Rican
China town is self explanatory
The people running the show live either on the main line or Society Hill
The Blacks have West Philly and the North Philly project area
Fishtown is for the drecks of white society
If you can go between the above with ease your looked at as weird in every neighborhood you go,and youd better watch your ass,because someones going to want to find out if your tough enough to invade
Ive gotten "What is youse doing here this is a decent white neighborhood" in NE Philly,bottles thrown at me in South Philly,and "Youse one crazy ass cracker",in West Philly
Couldnt stop me from going where I wanted to though
And by the way,its a ten year old joke from Chris Rock or someone,that he's paraphrasing

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The point bilbo is trying to make is a very tough one to make. Especially for such a subjective topic. Depending on how you look at it, how you judge it, where your coming from, your understanding or personal feeling of the level racism effects people,,,, it can be taken many different ways..

And on a purely technical level, you can say that what hopkins said is definition racism,,, simply by implying a different level of something between someone white and someone black....

But that's as far as technicality goes and the rest is in how anyone feels about the subject and what they bring to the table in viewing his words....

So I can absolutely understand everyone's points,,, and don't beleive anyone is wrong in what they are saying...


A comment to two very very similar people could simply wash of one persons back, and cut the other one very deep emotionally..... I suppose that's why it's a silly comment to make because obviously a lot of people have deep feeling towards the mention of a difference between black and white people.

I personally take it with a grain of salt and see a different picture to what other people do... But respect other people have different interpretations of what his comment means.

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:coolclick: a very well reasoned response.

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It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a cunt is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace. ::**

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WRONG it just involves people making a judgement about someones' skin color or ethnicity.


If I am called a racist by your standards then I personally would have had to subject someone to slavery so I can drop the N-bomb any time I choose.

Unless you say my ANCESTORS couldn't have subjected certain types of people to slavery etc etc. And even then by your standards if my ancestors never had asian or european slaves I could say spic, jap, slope, wop, zipperhead, kike, etc etc to my heart's content


So your reasoning is either wrong or I can say whatever the fuck I want to to whoever I want to....because what my ancestors did or did NOT do was ALLEGED BUT NEVER SUBSTANTIATED

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It seems like people can't differentiate between a true racist act and a stupid comment.

Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.

Hopkins remark was a comment plain and simple.

For a boxer like Hopkins to say that regarding a fellow fighter he's trying to make a fight with is no more racism than a disgruntled employee telling a coworker that the boss is a c*** is an incitement to rebellion and mutiny within the workplace. ::**

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WRONG it just involves people making a judgement about someones' skin color or ethnicity.


If I am called a racist by your standards then I personally would have had to subject someone to slavery so I can drop the N-bomb any time I choose.

Unless you say my ANCESTORS couldn't have subjected certain types of people to slavery etc etc. And even then by your standards if my ancestors never had asian or european slaves I could say spic, jap, slope, wop, zipperhead, kike, etc etc to my heart's content


So your reasoning is either wrong or I can say whatever the F*** I want to to whoever I want to....because what my ancestors did or did NOT do was ALLEGED BUT NEVER SUBSTANTIATED

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So by your logic criticising your governemtn is tantamount to mutiny or an attempted coup, or saying you hate your boss is proof of intent to cause physical or criminal damage.

What did he do that was racist?

If you can't tell the difference between a trash talk comment designed to rile someone up to fight you and to get the fans interested and a genuine incitement to racial hatred then you're not the well educated worldly redneck I thought you were

hopkins did not say anything racist

Hopkins likes to talk and a lot of it is nonsense to hype potential fights and make more coin.

Hopkins is clearly not racist but did make a comment that can be interpreted in certain ways.

Calzaghe will leave him quitting on his stool after 9. I like Hopkins but Calzaghe is too good and way more fresher.

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Hopkins likes to talk and a lot of it is nonsense to hype potential fights and make more coin.

Hopkins is clearly not racist but did make a comment that can be interpreted in certain ways.

Calzaghe will leave him quitting on his stool after 9. I like Hopkins but Calzaghe is too good and way more fresher.

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Hopkins would sooner get himself DQ'd than quit on his stool.

If he feels he's losing and can't handle the pace just look for headbutts and maulings from BHop as he tries to get himself thrown out.

I don't think Calzaghe would stop him though. He hasn't scored a legitimate knockout since my eldest nephew was born and he's 5!

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Hopkins likes to talk and a lot of it is nonsense to hype potential fights and make more coin.

Hopkins is clearly not racist but did make a comment that can be interpreted in certain ways.

Calzaghe will leave him quitting on his stool after 9. I like Hopkins but Calzaghe is too good and way more fresher.

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Hopkins would sooner get himself DQ'd than quit on his stool.

If he feels he's losing and can't handle the pace just look for headbutts and maulings from BHop as he tries to get himself thrown out.

I don't think Calzaghe would stop him though. He hasn't scored a legitimate knockout since my eldest nephew was born and he's 5!

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;D Yeah, I cannot see Calzaghe actually stopping Hopkins via knock out. Very unlikely. I just cannot envision Hopkins dealing with the workrate Joe brings though. Hopkins is almost older than time now.

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Hopkins likes to talk and a lot of it is nonsense to hype potential fights and make more coin.

Hopkins is clearly not racist but did make a comment that can be interpreted in certain ways.

Calzaghe will leave him quitting on his stool after 9. I like Hopkins but Calzaghe is too good and way more fresher.

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Hopkins would sooner get himself DQ'd than quit on his stool.

If he feels he's losing and can't handle the pace just look for headbutts and maulings from BHop as he tries to get himself thrown out.

I don't think Calzaghe would stop him though. He hasn't scored a legitimate knockout since my eldest nephew was born and he's 5!

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;D Yeah, I cannot see Calzaghe actually stopping Hopkins via knock out. Very unlikely. I just cannot envision Hopkins dealing with the workrate Joe brings though. Hopkins is almost older than time now.

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I disagree. Time was 45 years old in September. ;D

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Hopkins likes to talk and a lot of it is nonsense to hype potential fights and make more coin.

Hopkins is clearly not racist but did make a comment that can be interpreted in certain ways.

Calzaghe will leave him quitting on his stool after 9. I like Hopkins but Calzaghe is too good and way more fresher.

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Hopkins would sooner get himself DQ'd than quit on his stool.

If he feels he's losing and can't handle the pace just look for headbutts and maulings from BHop as he tries to get himself thrown out.

I don't think Calzaghe would stop him though. He hasn't scored a legitimate knockout since my eldest nephew was born and he's 5!

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;D Yeah, I cannot see Calzaghe actually stopping Hopkins via knock out. Very unlikely. I just cannot envision Hopkins dealing with the workrate Joe brings though. Hopkins is almost older than time now.

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I disagree. Time was 45 years old in September. ;D

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So by your logic criticising your governemtn is tantamount to mutiny or an attempted coup, or saying you hate your boss is proof of intent to cause physical or criminal damage.

What did he do that was racist?

If you can't tell the difference between a trash talk comment designed to rile someone up to fight you and to get the fans interested and a genuine incitement to racial hatred then you're not the well educated worldly redneck I thought you were

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All I am saying is there needs to be a fair field, if a white guy talked shit about Bernard then would they be called on it?

I think racism is more actions than words but it's just my opinion, I think words can spark actions and it's hard to know where to draw the line but Free Speech stops when people have their rights taken away or are threatened physically or are hurt physically.

I just think that white people are under a lot more scrutiny than any other race and I think that is prejudiced

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So by your logic criticising your governemtn is tantamount to mutiny or an attempted coup, or saying you hate your boss is proof of intent to cause physical or criminal damage.

What did he do that was racist?

If you can't tell the difference between a trash talk comment designed to rile someone up to fight you and to get the fans interested and a genuine incitement to racial hatred then you're not the well educated worldly redneck I thought you were

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All I am saying is there needs to be a fair field, if a white guy talked S*** about Bernard then would they be called on it?

I think racism is more actions than words but it's just my opinion, I think words can spark actions and it's hard to know where to draw the line but Free Speech stops when people have their rights taken away or are threatened physically or are hurt physically.

I just think that white people are under a lot more scrutiny than any other race and I think that is prejudiced

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So Reagan was roughly thrown out of office for his antics during Cooney/Holmes right?
I mean the President Of The Entire United States should be held to a signifigantly higher standard then a boxer right? A convicted felon no less,right?

Bilbo:It's not the same though Donny. White's as a race DID openly feel superior to blacks, we enslaved them, we thought them subhuman, like beasts of burden and cattle. That's what racism is.
Bilbo thats in the past. WE never enslaved anybody`, that was hundreds of years ago. All White people should leave your highlighted feelings and beliefs in the past as they are understandably deemed wrong in modern society. However, in turn coloured people should accept that behaviour was a past occurance and not hold it against modern white people who on the most part believe in equality and justice.


Blacks feeling digruntled against whites for hundreds of years of past treatment isn't racism it's just natural behaviour.
The Irish feel the same way about the British?
Is that right? I don't think so. The British never oppresed me, so I bear no grudge against them.

Hopkins is from the streets and still speaks like he's from the streets. But at the end of the day he's a boxer not a politician.
He's a boxer that has more infleunce, respect and exposure than most politicians. He knows this and should realise that when put in a position of power he must present himself carefully and not abuse his infleunce.

As far as I'm concerned he can say what the hell he likes. If Calzaghe were to say the same thing in reverse it would take on a whole different meaning considering the weight of history.
Again, history is in the past! I don't think Joe Calzaghe every oppressed any coloured people. Yet if he said something similar I would expect him to be shunned as it's such a loaded Topic. Why is it so loaded?...because both coloured and white people realise it is a black mark on our history as a species and think it should be forgotten.

White's have never been racially subjecated by blacks its the other way around.
And 90% modern coloured people have not been racially subjected.
If Hopkins had been raised in the 50's/60's perhaps I could understand. If he had just been thrown out of a restaraunt then perhaps I could forgive his anger. But this is 2007 and a man of such wealth, fame and power has no need or reason to dislike white people other than ignorance and a lack of will to be at peace.

If a convicted child sex offender repeatedely hugs other people's children it's viewed with suspician, wheras if a little kid hugs another child or an adult it's something completely different.
I understand your point but once again....Do you think Hopkins ever was discriminated to a large extent first hand? Or is he living in the past, living of feelings which arose from his ancestors being discriminated.

Anyway all I can say is that Hopkins comment worked. We are all talking about it, which at the end of the day is all he wanted.

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Bilbo:It's not the same though Donny. White's as a race DID openly feel superior to blacks, we enslaved them, we thought them subhuman, like beasts of burden and cattle. That's what racism is.
Bilbo thats in the past. WE never enslaved anybody`, that was hundreds of years ago. All White people should leave your highlighted feelings and beliefs in the past as they are understandably deemed wrong in modern society. However, in turn coloured people should accept that behaviour was a past occurance and not hold it against modern white people who on the most part believe in equality and justice.


Blacks feeling digruntled against whites for hundreds of years of past treatment isn't racism it's just natural behaviour.
The Irish feel the same way about the British?
Is that right? I don't think so. The British never oppresed me, so I bear no grudge against them.

Hopkins is from the streets and still speaks like he's from the streets. But at the end of the day he's a boxer not a politician.
He's a boxer that has more infleunce, respect and exposure than most politicians. He knows this and should realise that when put in a position of power he must present himself carefully and not abuse his infleunce.

As far as I'm concerned he can say what the hell he likes. If Calzaghe were to say the same thing in reverse it would take on a whole different meaning considering the weight of history.
Again, history is in the past! I don't think Joe Calzaghe every oppressed any coloured people. Yet if he said something similar I would expect him to be shunned as it's such a loaded Topic. Why is it so loaded?...because both coloured and white people realise it is a black mark on our history as a species and think it should be forgotten.

White's have never been racially subjecated by blacks its the other way around.
And 90% modern coloured people have not been racially subjected.
If Hopkins had been raised in the 50's/60's perhaps I could understand. If he had just been thrown out of a restaraunt then perhaps I could forgive his anger. But this is 2007 and a man of such wealth, fame and power has no need or reason to dislike white people other than ignorance and a lack of will to be at peace.

If a convicted child sex offender repeatedely hugs other people's children it's viewed with suspician, wheras if a little kid hugs another child or an adult it's something completely different.
I understand your point but once again....Do you think Hopkins ever was discriminated to a large extent first hand? Or is he living in the past, living of feelings which arose from his ancestors being discriminated.

Anyway all I can say is that Hopkins comment worked. We are all talking about it, which at the end of the day is all he wanted.

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Youve obviously never been to Philly
Rizzo's boys still run that town,and their all Irish or Italian,and they can do as they please even now

Philly is Philly.
It's only a small percentage of the world's population

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hopkins did not say anything racist

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fair enough but we all know if Calzaghe had said no black boy is going to beat me the press would drag him over the coals for it, regardless of whether it was meant as a racist comment or not. Double standards.

"Bilbo:It's not the same though Donny. White's as a race DID openly feel superior to blacks, we
enslaved them, we thought them subhuman, like beasts of burden and cattle. That's what racism is.
Bilbo thats in the past. WE never enslaved anybody`, that was hundreds of years ago. All White people should leave your highlighted feelings and beliefs in the past as they are understandably deemed wrong in modern society. However, in turn coloured people should accept that behaviour was a past occurance and not hold it against modern white people who on the most part believe in equality and justice."

If anything what is going on in parts of africa/india/asia, they're making slaves of each other still (as they did before we got there).

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Philly is Philly.
It's only a small percentage of the world's population

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Not if youve lived there your whole life