Thoughts on Floyds and Ricky's performances?

I'll give Floyd a big round of applause. Take away the first 3 rounds and he dominated that fight. I mean dominated it. Hatton landed about 5 punches on Floyd's face the whole fight. He didn't even land to the body. Hopefully this will calm the fans who say Floyd runs all the time etc down. After the fight,I really liked most of Floyd's comments too,as per usual. Respectful and also admitted he has had some dull fights and wanted to change that.He's a cool guy.

NOW FIGHT MIGUEL COTTO! ;D ;D :D (I'd have Floyd as favourite but I think it would be a MUCh more exciting fight than the Hatton fight)_

I thought there werre too many threads making it disjointed so just post what you thought of the fighters and their performances here.

I'm going to be honest,I thought Ricky did well for 3 rounds and then TOTALLY lost his way. I actually thought he looked horrible overall. Where was the jab?The head movement? forget those,WHERE WERE THE BODYSHOTS? It was really horrible to watch him at times. Floyd hit him with nearly everything he threw. Hatton couldn't move out of the way of the jab. Seriously,if Oscar considers fighting Hatton next,he's a piece of shit. There are far more worthier fighters to fight,ESPECIALLY at WW. Hatton showed alot of balls and heart but I was expecting more from him if I'm honest. He did what all the other guys minus Castillo have done,come in,smother their work,forget the body.

I agree. I thought Hatton looked good the first 3 rounds or so, but slowly got worse. I know holding is his M.O, but even for him, the amount of holding he was doing was ridiculous. He was doing the ole hold 'n punch, but he forgot to punch! He also slowed which he said he wouldn't. Overall, disappointing perfromance by Ricky.

Anyway, I give credit to Mayweather, he's a great fighter and put on a hell of a show. I still don't see where he has the nerve to call himself the greatest of all time though. He needs to beat at least 2-3 more elite fighters to approach that title.

I just realised that I posted this somewhere else, and it should really have gone on this thread. :P Anyway, here are my thoughts before and after the fight ... for what they are worth!!



Quote from: X on 05-12-2007, 08:45:07
I've really enjoyed watching Hatton from the beginning of his career and I think he is a very very good fighter indeed. In Brit terms, the best pressure fighter we've produced since Barry McGuigan and a true world-class operator. He has a decent media image, is exciting, good chin and brave as they come.

On the downside, I have always been really concerned at his conditioning between fights - to me, that is unprofessional and it will undoubtedly catch up with him in the ring one day. As a pressure fighter he also takes more punches that a stand-off boxer would and those two things (allied with his susceptibility to cuts) will mean he has a shorter career than say, Chris Eubank or Joe Calzaghe .... so we should enjoy it while we can.

I also just can't forget how he struggled with Collazzo and am aware that he has seldom defended a title (which to me is harder than winning one). Someone like Calzaghe has a much better legacy, but doesn't get the credit because he is less media friendly and because he generally stayed in the UK - though he has now cleaned out the division and unified it, so I hope that logical people don't hold that against him in years to come.

I can't help thinking that PBF is a phenomenon, the best things I've seen since Ray Leonard. Ray always had a Plan B, though, and I will be interested to see what Floys does if he gets dragged into the trenches.

I don't think that Ricky will be able to catch Floyd to blast him out early, I think Hatton will win the early rounds on aggression and volume but he will most likely be unable to pin Mayweather down long enough to land the two or three shots he will need to stop him. I see Floys coming more into the fight after the third and beginning to time hatton coming in - it's at this point that I think the extra weight will take it's toll and, as Floys is a slashing type of puncher, I do fear that he will cut Ricky up and force a technical stoppage around the 8th or 9th. If the ref is not too squeamish, Ricky might make it to a points loss.

Having said that, if Hatton actually pulls this off, I think it will be the best win by a British boxer since Curry Honeyghan (and Robinson-Turpin before that)


Well, for once, I wasn't too far wrong !!

I thought Mayweather was absolutely fantastic last night. He was cool as a cucumber, he can clearly stand up for himself, foul and spoil with the best of them. He managed to con the referee (who I thought was poor and over-fussy, but not so it had any massive bearing on the actual outcome of the fight). Mayweather's speed and accuracy - his timing on the successful lead right he used was phenomenal, and the left hook that started the end was such a peach that I don't think Hatton even saw it coming - he then bashed into the ring post head first which didn't help).

To me, the sign of a great athlete is 'grace under pressure' ...... hats off to Floyd, I thought he was brilliant.

Hatton, IMO, was much to tense and hyped at the beginning. He was ragged and showed little head movement coming in (sorry, but it was UNeducated pressure he was deploying) When he found that Floyd was not running away, yet he still couldn't hit him cleanly, I think he lost the plot a bit and became desperate. I thought that the game was up when he weighed in 2 pounds under the limit actually.

As usual, I thought Hatton's post fight interview was a gem. He hadn't lost his sense of humour and was obviously so gutted (but because he thought he'd let people down) No excuses from him, despite Sky trying to get him to blame the referee. An honest and decent guy, and there is no shame in losing by moving up a weight to fight the greatest fighter since Ray Leonard.

Not much more to add to X's post really. It was sadly as I expected, Mayweather way....WAY too good for Ricky. Cortez was horribly bad but as already said it had no real bearing on the outcome.

I dont know what the scorecards read at the time of the stoppage but on paper it was probably a pretty close affair up to that point. In actual fact Mayweather was in control from first bell until the finish.

A masterful performance from Mayweather, a gutsy yet futile effort from Hatton.

Floyd just impresses me more and more everytime I see him.
It is only in his last few fights that I'm beginning to see the bigger picture of his talent. I always knew he was a great boxer, but his plan against Hatton was executed to perfection. The way he just lay against the ropes, expending little to no energy while Hatton pushed forward, holding and punching (and missing) and expending so much energy of his own. Floyd measured it brilliantly and knew that Hatton would slow down considerably in the second half of the fight. Against a lightning quick and accurate fighter like Floyd, slowing down is suicide!
He looked as fresh as a daisy even in round 10, while Hatton looked ragged and worn out. I predicted a 9th round stoppage for Floyd so I wasn't far off. The fight went pretty much exactly as I imagined.
He is just so cool under pressure, that is part of the reason that he doesn't tire. When he is against the ropes and slipping/dodging/ducking punches, he doesn't tense up his muscles at all and just pot shots with clever punches to get both his opponents and the judges attention.
Hatton on the contrary was brave, gallant and pressuring like he only knows how. It kept the fight kind of competitive for the first half of the fight (though I only scored round 5 to Hatton), but from round 7 on he began to tire and that is when Floyd started to take over. Pretty much anytime Floyd wanted to be the boss, he was. He stood toe to toe with Hatton at will and punished him with blitzing combo's. The straight right was jolting Hatton's head back as I feared it would. Hatton's reflexes were slower, his punches were slower, his balance wasn't as steady and Floyd began to systematically break him down until the stoppage.
It was the perfect way to deal with a fighter like Hatton, a total masterclass in pure boxing.
Well done to both fighters though! Hatton for his bravery and courage and Floyd for the obvious. 8)

Nice posts guys and I agree. I understand Hatton came in ight for the extra speed but he was also giving away the power. Mayweather appeared stronger and certainly hit harder. I didn;t think it was a close fight as Lederman and Watt had it,I had Mayweather up from the 10-8 round onwards. One of the other rounds was a bad beating for Ricky and could have been 10-8 minus the knockdown.

And excellent points Oggie,Floyd showed how cool and calm he can be under intense but totally sloppy and uneducated pressure. Hatton was trying to rough him up,Floyd gave it right back.Hatton's game plan went out of the window. I mean for what happened to the head movement and the body punches? I'm sorry to you Hatton fans,he has my respect for the balls he showed,but he looked horrible overall. The 1 thing I was backing him to do more than ANYONE who has fought Floyd is go to the body and do it well.

Keep the posts coming guys.Interesting reads.

i think joe cortez threw hatton off his gameplan. i mean the ref breaking them up every 10secs?! the lunging left hook never worked for hatton but his offense while on clinch is good. he shouldve went to the body more.

as for mayweather well he is slick and hard to tag and also fast with his jab also. he landed clearer shots than hatton. he really deserve this win!

i hate floyd for being a boring boxer and i really like hatton to win. although i predicted that itll last till twelve and floyd will dominate i was shocked when he KOd hatton. so he really deserves the number 1 position as P4P. sorry pac

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

i think joe cortez threw hatton off his gameplan. i mean the ref breaking them up every 10secs?! the lunging left hook never worked for hatton but his offense while on clinch is good. he shouldve went to the body more.

as for mayweather well he is slick and hard to tag and also fast with his jab also. he landed clearer shots than hatton. he really deserve this win!

i hate floyd for being a boring boxer and i really like hatton to win. although i predicted that itll last till twelve and floyd will dominate i was shocked when he KOd hatton. so he really deserves the number 1 position as P4P. sorry pac

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I don't think Cortez threw Hatton off his game plan. He made a few questionable call early on but as the fight progressed,he let them fight. I don't see where the "I hate Floyd for being boring" comes into this. This fight was more exciting than Manny's fights with MAB and Solis.

I might need to go back and watch it again, as I had Ricky doing better than you guys. I was so amped though I might have missed things. I thought Ricky's footwork and ability to make Floyd miss were pretty damn good, at least like you guys said, in the early rounds. I didn't give credit enough to Ricky for being that fast and he sure popped Floyd with that left when he came in using that footwork; I haven't seen many people be able to hit Floyd like that.
Obviously Hatton didn't get to be a monster to the body. Without sounding like sour grapes, Cortez broke Hatton off Floyd from round one on everytime he even got in on Floyd; nenver even gave Ricky and Floyd a chance to fight out of it. I thought it was b.s. how fast he would pull them apart. But hey, you always have to have a plan B. I actually thought Hatton was doing a good job on the outside with that straight left, early on at least.
I really thought Floyd looked uncomfortable with all that pressure, but Floyd is Floyd and even if Hatton was allowed to play his game, I thought it would go to Floyd anyways. I predicted a 7th or 8th round tko or ko, so I was happy with Ricky going that far. Something I did notice was at the beginning of each round, Ricky would come out in a blaze, but use his footwork and work his way in smartly, but then he would become frustrated and start walking straight in, and he would eat some left hooks, but mostly get his neck whiplashed by straight rights, and seemed to want to prove to Floyd he could take them. Bad idea.
All the credit to Floyd, as the longer a fight goes, the more he'll frustrate someone and figure out what needs to be done. The speed and straight right killed last night, and that paralyzing left hook from that angle was poetic. I give Ricky alot of credit, as he did much better than I thought, and brought that fight, and it was exciting for me. I think even though he went out badly, even Floyd seemed to give Hatton much respect; hell he even kissed him. Floyd sure acts like a c#ck before a fight, but he sure is respectful after, and I was surprised he treated Ricky so kindly.
Ricky was just out of his league, which I figured he would be, but he is a game little guy, you gotta give him that. Sorry for the long post; this sites server still sems f#cked up and I'm not going to post much until it's fixed, so I figured I'd ramble out my unwanted opinion. Hopefully someone will put up a link so I can watch it again and maybe with a clearer head.

well floyd is boring except for this fight, he is a technician boxer but i find ko artists more exciting. pacs fight is boring lately also.

i didnt say that floyd vs hatton is a boring fight. i said floyd is a boring boxer i mean the last tko he got was way back 05 right?

hatton was hit with a couple of shots because he was talking to cortez. i give props to floyd for koing hatton even floyd was surprised imho. eheheheh

Legion,I think the commentating on HBO was persuading you too. I didn't really see Hatton making Floyd miss a whole lot,maybe with some of the lead rights at the beginning. I also thought Floyd looked uncomfortable in the 1 round,the first round but he adpated easily.

I thought Ricky showed great speed of foot but like I've said,he could have been faster than Floyd but if you're going to go in and smother EVERYTHING,it counts for little in the end and that is what he did. I think he was too tense and everything they did in practice went out of the window.

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well floyd is boring except for this fight, he is a technician boxer but i find ko artists more exciting. pacs fight is boring lately also.

i didnt say that floyd vs hatton is a boring fight. i said floyd is a boring boxer i mean the last tko he got was way back 05 right?

hatton was hit with a couple of shots because he was talking to cortez. i give props to floyd for koing hatton even floyd was surprised imho. eheheheh

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The only boring Floyd fight I've seen was the Baldo fight which was really boring. The Judah fight was average. The rest have been pretty darn exciting but each to their own bro.

I agree that Floyd can be boring (above 140 only) but he redeemed himself in this fight at 147. It was a beautiful performance. Ricky pressed the fight and Floyd fought back, didn't run and let the KO come naturally.

Cortez sucked! But the outcome would have been the same with any ref.

I originally though Ricky would win be decision based on his normal high volume punching, but he slowed down after tasting Mayweather's power and it was Mayweather that ending up proving me wrong and throwing more punches. I'm glad he did. It was a great fight. I have much more respect for him now. I feel he can retire and make all the claims he wants as being the greatest of his time (i don't know about all time - that's arguable).

I would love to see him give Cotto a shot, but don't feel he needs to and won't blame him if he decides to hang up the gloves. He has a remarkable career, has done everything he needs and should enjoy his family. But it would be nice if he gave Cotto a chance.

I often score fights when watching them and but this time I was really desperate for Hatton to win so I was more of a Hatton fan than a boxing fan tonight and didnt score the fight. I probably had Mayweather 3 or 4 points up, and i think the 8th round was a 10-8 round for Mayweather.
The ref probably affected Hattons gameplan a little bit as he was pulling them apart as soon as they got near each other. But, i am realistic enough to admit it probably wasnt significant enough to have much of an affect towards the final outcome. But, i do think it made Hatton more anxious and he was charging in at Mayweather and became a bit predictable. At the beginning of the fight he was doing well, but he was comning in straight ahead without trying to be elusive from about the 7th round. And hatton wasnt throwing enough punches once he got close to Mayweather.
It was a truly sad sight to see hatton, Ko`d and I didnt expect it to happen, but the first knockdown punch was short, hard and outrageously fast.
I have been a major critic of mayweathers personality, but it`s impossible to deny his awesome talent.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Legion,I think the commentating on HBO was persuading you too. I didn't really see Hatton making Floyd miss a whole lot,maybe with some of the lead rights at the beginning. I also thought Floyd looked uncomfortable in the 1 round,the first round but he adpated easily.

I thought Ricky showed great speed of foot but like I've said,he could have been faster than Floyd but if you're going to go in and smother EVERYTHING,it counts for little in the end and that is what he did. I think he was too tense and everything they did in practice went out of the window.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

well floyd is boring except for this fight, he is a technician boxer but i find ko artists more exciting. pacs fight is boring lately also.

i didnt say that floyd vs hatton is a boring fight. i said floyd is a boring boxer i mean the last tko he got was way back 05 right?

hatton was hit with a couple of shots because he was talking to cortez. i give props to floyd for koing hatton even floyd was surprised imho. eheheheh

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The only boring Floyd fight I've seen was the Baldo fight which was really boring. The Judah fight was average. The rest have been pretty darn exciting but each to their own bro.

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agree to each his own, i just prefer KO/aggresive boxers mor exciting.

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Originally Posted by LEGION

I might need to go back and watch it again, as I had Ricky doing better than you guys. I was so amped though I might have missed things. I thought Ricky's footwork and ability to make Floyd miss were pretty damn good, at least like you guys said, in the early rounds. I didn't give credit enough to Ricky for being that fast and he sure popped Floyd with that left when he came in using that footwork; I haven't seen many people be able to hit Floyd like that.
Obviously Hatton didn't get to be a monster to the body. Without sounding like sour grapes, Cortez broke Hatton off Floyd from round one on everytime he even got in on Floyd; nenver even gave Ricky and Floyd a chance to fight out of it. I thought it was b.s. how fast he would pull them apart. But hey, you always have to have a plan B. I actually thought Hatton was doing a good job on the outside with that straight left, early on at least.
I really thought Floyd looked uncomfortable with all that pressure, but Floyd is Floyd and even if Hatton was allowed to play his game, I thought it would go to Floyd anyways. I predicted a 7th or 8th round tko or ko, so I was happy with Ricky going that far. Something I did notice was at the beginning of each round, Ricky would come out in a blaze, but use his footwork and work his way in smartly, but then he would become frustrated and start walking straight in, and he would eat some left hooks, but mostly get his neck whiplashed by straight rights, and seemed to want to prove to Floyd he could take them. Bad idea.
All the credit to Floyd, as the longer a fight goes, the more he'll frustrate someone and figure out what needs to be done. The speed and straight right killed last night, and that paralyzing left hook from that angle was poetic. I give Ricky alot of credit, as he did much better than I thought, and brought that fight, and it was exciting for me. I think even though he went out badly, even Floyd seemed to give Hatton much respect; hell he even kissed him. Floyd sure acts like a c#ck before a fight, but he sure is respectful after, and I was surprised he treated Ricky so kindly.
Ricky was just out of his league, which I figured he would be, but he is a game little guy, you gotta give him that. Sorry for the long post; this sites server still sems f#cked up and I'm not going to post much until it's fixed, so I figured I'd ramble out my unwanted opinion. Hopefully someone will put up a link so I can watch it again and maybe with a clearer head.

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The last I checked it was "Boxing" not MMA. There is no room for holding in Boxing. Unfortunately for most Hatton fans they have become accustomed to this tactic because the refs allowed this illegal tactic in a majority of Hatton's fights to continue and continue and cont..you get my point. Hatton was forced to fight/box not roughhouse and he was dealt with expectedly. This did not come as a shock to me. The only shock was that it went past 6 rds. PBF is the greatest fighter of this generation and arguably of all time. He makes really good fighters look questionable (Zab Judah) and good fighters look aweful (Gatti anyone). But until he knocks out everyone under the sun people will continue to pull names out of their a** with hope to see PBF fall..Cotto, Margerito, Cintron? etc....

What happened to Ricky's body punching?

To me this is the biggest thing missing from Rickys fight

He was connecting well with head shots, he was fit and hustling

But normally its the body shots he uses to wear down the opponent and slow them down

Last night I only saw 1 solid body shot - my question is why didnt he get more off?

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And excellent points Oggie,Floyd showed how cool and calm he can be under intense but totally sloppy and uneducated pressure. Hatton was trying to rough him up,Floyd gave it right back.Hatton's game plan went out of the window. I mean for what happened to the head movement and the body punches? I'm sorry to you Hatton fans,he has my respect for the balls he showed,but he looked horrible overall. The 1 thing I was backing him to do more than ANYONE who has fought Floyd is go to the body and do it well.

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Cheers man. ;)
Hatton was just barging into Floyd every time. He needed to push Floyd up to the ropes and take a step back and at least try to land some telling body shots. His tactics of pressing up against him and holding and hitting where never going to trouble someone like Mayweather, you need to really punish the body to slow someone down. Ricky just didn't do that last night!
The commentators were going on about how uncomfortable he was making Floyd by pressuring like that, but really, Floyd didn't look bothered by it at all. He seemed perfectly happy to let the fight go like that for the opening rounds before he opened up when Hatton's pace slowed.
I reckon Cotto vs. Mayweather would be interesting... Cotto can rip the body as good as anyone and has a ton of power at welterweight. His speed is very good too!
The only way I can see someone beating Mayweather is to pressure him, but try to stay within mid-range and hit him before he has a chance to get himself off the ropes. Too close and you get no leverage, too distant and his speed and reflexes will kill you. Lots of head/upper body movement is vital too and if someone could bob and weave like Tyson used to, it could cause him problems. Cotto probably has the best shot at pulling it off, but I'll never bet against Floyd.

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Originally Posted by cpcompany

I often score fights when watching them and but this time I was really desperate for Hatton to win so I was more of a Hatton fan than a boxing fan tonight and didnt score the fight. I probably had Mayweather 3 or 4 points up, and i think the 8th round was a 10-8 round for Mayweather.
The ref probably affected Hattons gameplan a little bit as he was pulling them apart as soon as they got near each other. But, i am realistic enough to admit it probably wasnt significant enough to have much of an affect towards the final outcome. But, i do think it made Hatton more anxious and he was charging in at Mayweather and became a bit predictable. At the beginning of the fight he was doing well, but he was comning in straight ahead without trying to be elusive from about the 7th round. And hatton wasnt throwing enough punches once he got close to Mayweather.
It was a truly sad sight to see hatton, Ko`d and I didnt expect it to happen, but the first knockdown punch was short, hard and outrageously fast.
I have been a major critic of mayweathers personality, but it`s impossible to deny his awesome talent.

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CC,good posting.

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Originally Posted by bornlivelife

What happened to Ricky's body punching?

To me this is the biggest thing missing from Rickys fight

He was connecting well with head shots, he was fit and hustling

But normally its the body shots he uses to wear down the opponent and slow them down

Last night I only saw 1 solid body shot - my question is why didnt he get more off?

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CC,I've been going on about this too but it's like,body punching is Hatton's biggest weapon and he forgot it. People keep going on about how quick his feet were etc,but so what? How did it help? He was still not judging the distance correctly thus smothering like 99% of his work. I only recall 1 good bodyshot from him too,in fact,I thought Mayweather threw more body punches!

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And excellent points Oggie,Floyd showed how cool and calm he can be under intense but totally sloppy and uneducated pressure. Hatton was trying to rough him up,Floyd gave it right back.Hatton's game plan went out of the window. I mean for what happened to the head movement and the body punches? I'm sorry to you Hatton fans,he has my respect for the balls he showed,but he looked horrible overall. The 1 thing I was backing him to do more than ANYONE who has fought Floyd is go to the body and do it well.

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Cheers man. ;)
Hatton was just barging into Floyd every time. He needed to push Floyd up to the ropes and take a step back and at least try to land some telling body shots. His tactics of pressing up against him and holding and hitting where never going to trouble someone like Mayweather, you need to really punish the body to slow someone down. Ricky just didn't do that last night!
The commentators were going on about how uncomfortable he was making Floyd by pressuring like that, but really, Floyd didn't look bothered by it at all. He seemed perfectly happy to let the fight go like that for the opening rounds before he opened up when Hatton's pace slowed.
I reckon Cotto vs. Mayweather would be interesting... Cotto can rip the body as good as anyone and has a ton of power at welterweight. His speed is very good too!
The only way I can see someone beating Mayweather is to pressure him, but try to stay within mid-range and hit him before he has a chance to get himself off the ropes. Too close and you get no leverage, too distant and his speed and reflexes will kill you. Lots of head/upper body movement is vital too and if someone could bob and weave like Tyson used to, it could cause him problems. Cotto probably has the best shot at pulling it off, but I'll never bet against Floyd.

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CC,agreed on all points. Cotto is the one who will give Mayweather problems,with his power,jabs and body work but I would choose Mayweather UD(that's thinking with my brain,my heart says Miguel stops him in 10). Hatton was lunging in. I don't think Cotto would smother his work like that. Either way,it would be a tremendous fight to see,Floyd has yet to face someone with huge natural WW power,nor someone with a good jab.We know Cotto won't abandon it even facing adversity.

I never gave Hatton a hope in hells chance so the fight went pretty much how I expected.

Floyd was Floyd. Not just in the fight but throughout the entire build-up. It was Ricky that changed.

The only chance Hatton ever had against Mayweather is if you - Roll the clock back a few years, make the fight at 140 and stick it on at the MEN in Manchester.

I thought Cortez was a little quick to break them initially, but the way they were tying up - often with headlocks and such - weren't the kind of clinch you can easily fight out of, and there's not much to do but break and reset. I was glad that Cortez backed off a bit later on. And it didn't take him long to make that adjustment.

Obviously the infight was going to be key, especially for Hatton to have any chance at all.

The feed I watched was a bit choppy, so I really missed too much of the fight. Was glad to see Floyd meet Hatton's gameplan and out-box him even on the inside, though. But I couldn't always tell who was scoring better.

Quantity vs quality - quality wins to the point of generating more quantity. Hatton got outboxed, but he also got out-Hattoned. Nevermind that he was the one charging forward most of the time - it's what happened when they got toe to toe. Way to go, Floyd. And a KO on top of it.

With the choppy feed, the fight looked sloppy to me. I'll be glad to see it again with a better view.

I thought Hatton performed well enough....I think he got a bit overzelous at times, he needed to control his aggression just a bit more but easier said then done though....If he took a step back every now and then while Floyd was on the ropes instead of wrestling IMO he would have been more effective....He was out gunned to a point...Floyd was a bit bigger then him...Hatton slowed down a bit more due to getting over anxious then anything....If Hatton was able to keep a bit more composed he would have done some majore damage and avoided some of those clinches against the ropes.without letting Floyd off the ropes.....

All in all he has nothing to be ashamed of and it was a great learning experience....he will bounce back a pick up where he left off

Floyd looked bad last night...I feel the PBF followers swarming me already :D......But let me explain myself...

Floyd did not like the relentless pressure in the outset of the fight....he was uncomfortable It took pretty much 7 rds for him to adjust....Contrary to what was said last night Floyd can not "Fight"....Floyd can box....If ODH used the exact method Hatton did last night he would have stopped Floyd...I know BULL ***....But ODH is much stronger then Hatton and Floyd would (or anyone for that matter) not be able to take it on the ropes against a strong fighter like that.....even if he was blocking punches....I said before and stand by it....Hit him in the arms, shoulders anywhere,,,after 2 rds he wont have those hands up as much...

Floyd had a good win but Impressive I can't really say so....a genuine 147lb fighter with some patience doing the exact same thing Hatton did last night would have been sucessful...call me crazy but...

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I never gave Hatton a hope in hells chance so the fight went pretty much how I expected.

Floyd was Floyd. Not just in the fight but throughout the entire build-up. It was Ricky that changed.

The only chance Hatton ever had against Mayweather is if you - Roll the clock back a few years, make the fight at 140 and stick it on at the MEN in Manchester.

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Yeah,I noticed that in the build up,you were 100% Mayweather would win.In fact,didn't you say by stoppage?Good call.I think,looking back now,that coming in lighter may have been a mistake. Mayweather seemed stronger to me!

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I thought Cortez was a little quick to break them initially, but the way they were tying up - often with headlocks and such - weren't the kind of clinch you can easily fight out of, and there's not much to do but break and reset. I was glad that Cortez backed off a bit later on. And it didn't take him long to make that adjustment.

Obviously the infight was going to be key, especially for Hatton to have any chance at all.

The feed I watched was a bit choppy, so I really missed too much of the fight. Was glad to see Floyd meet Hatton's gameplan and out-box him even on the inside, though. But I couldn't always tell who was scoring better.

Quantity vs quality - quality wins to the point of generating more quantity. Hatton got outboxed, but he also got out-Hattoned. Nevermind that he was the one charging forward most of the time - it's what happened when they got toe to toe. Way to go, Floyd. And a KO on top of it.

With the choppy feed, the fight looked sloppy to me. I'll be glad to see it again with a better view.

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Your view seems pretty accurate to me. It was a very sloppy fight,especially at the beginning but Floyd began to take over and land the harder,cleaner punches as the fight wore on. I actually don't think there was THAT much quantity from Hatton. He was outhustling Mayweather earlier,but it seemed like Floyd was content on that happening. I think he's done that in the Zab,Oscar and now this fight,it's like he's adjusting to the fighter,seeing what they have. Hatton is a tough tough warrior though,I give him that. I didn't think he was going to get up from th first knockdown or even the round before,where he was on the verge of getting stopped too.

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I thought Hatton performed well enough....I think he got a bit overzelous at times, he needed to control his aggression just a bit more but easier said then done though....If he took a step back every now and then while Floyd was on the ropes instead of wrestling IMO he would have been more effective....He was out gunned to a point...Floyd was a bit bigger then him...Hatton slowed down a bit more due to getting over anxious then anything....If Hatton was able to keep a bit more composed he would have done some majore damage and avoided some of those clinches against the ropes.without letting Floyd off the ropes.....

All in all he has nothing to be ashamed of and it was a great learning experience....he will bounce back a pick up where he left off

Floyd looked bad last night...I feel the PBF followers swarming me already :D......But let me explain myself...

Floyd did not like the relentless pressure in the outset of the fight....he was uncomfortable It took pretty much 7 rds for him to adjust....Contrary to what was said last night Floyd can not "Fight"....Floyd can box....If ODH used the exact method Hatton did last night he would have stopped Floyd...I know BULL ***....But ODH is much stronger then Hatton and Floyd would (or anyone for that matter) not be able to take it on the ropes against a strong fighter like that.....even if he was blocking punches....I said before and stand by it....Hit him in the arms, shoulders anywhere,,,after 2 rds he wont have those hands up as much...

Floyd had a good win but Impressive I can't really say so....a genuine 147lb fighter with some patience doing the exact same thing Hatton did last night would have been sucessful...call me crazy but...

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Whislt I don't totally agree with you,it's an interesting perspective and I DEFINITELY want to see Floyd v a natural 147 pounder,with power. It has to be Cotto. With regards to the Oscar points,I think you are way way off. Oscar never has been and never will be a pressure fighter. The fans that thought he would wi thought so because they were desperate to see Floyd lose,not based on rational thinking,which is fine,we all do that at times. But no way Oscar was ever beating Floyd at this stage in his career. And fro what I recall,Floyd was on th ropes and Oscar was missing wild sloppy,slapping shots and throwing arm punches to the body.

Thats why the word "IF" was in the beginnning of the ODH statement El G......ODH was doing fine then suddenly gassed or became overly frustrated....

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Thats why the word "IF" was in the beginnning of the ODH statement El G......ODH was doing fine then suddenly gassed or became overly frustrated....

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Too big an IF for me bro. ;D ;D IF JLC got the decision,IF Hatton had gone to the body etc etc. Opens too many doors and before you know it,Pandora's box is open :D :D And I thought Floyd was giving those rounds away more than Oscar winning them. As Soon as Floyd put his foot on the gas,in the 8th,Oscar was outclassed.

LuvFightGame,I know you were critical of Mayweather for not trying to finish his fights:thoughts now?

Also,what happened in the Ponce fight,did anyone see it? I heard it was dull,I have not had time to watch it yet.

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LuvFightGame,I know you were critical of Mayweather for not trying to finish his fights:thoughts now?

Also,what happened in the Ponce fight,did anyone see it? I heard it was dull,I have not had time to watch it yet.

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Don't bother with the Ponce fight... It was awful.. Same with the Lacy vs Manfredo fight.

Much respect to Floyd. I just wish somebody would shut Roger the f@*k up. He's always talking sh*t and calling Floyd's opponents club fighters and such, maybe someone should remind his punk a$$ of the dozen losses on his record.

Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple

Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**

After he beats him....who's next?

It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.

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LuvFightGame,I know you were critical of Mayweather for not trying to finish his fights:thoughts now?

Also,what happened in the Ponce fight,did anyone see it? I heard it was dull,I have not had time to watch it yet.

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Avoid that fight at all costs unless you're a big fan of Ponce De Leon. He looked dreadful... it was shocking how much he was missing his punches by, you would never think he is a world champion if that was your first glimpse of him. He looked like a journeyman upsetting a decent boxer at best. ;)

:coolclick: back for earlier man.
I think you were hitting the nail on the head about Mayweather vs. De La Hoya. People rarely ever give Floyd credit, it is always "the other guys stamina faded/lost confidence/changed to the wrong tactics etc..." The reason it appears like that is a testament to Floyd's skill. Against Judah, he adjusted to the southpaw style and outboxed Zab. Against Oscar he also adjusted, and Oscar had no answer... against Ricky, he simply bided his time until he felt it was time to strike, much like a lion waiting in the high grass for its prey. It can't be coincidence that fighters keep "fading in the second half" of Mayweather fights only. Floyd simply overwhelms them to the point where they are almost paralyzed and unable to let their hands go! It has happened too many times now, I can no longer say that luck is just on Floyd's side.
That is my opinion anyway.

Let me just summarize what I stated in two or three posts right before the fight, and what actually happened. I said that:

1) that ability of Hatton to take Floyd's punches was crucial for him to have any chance of winning - but obviously he didn't have that;

2) that Mayweather had trouble with pressure fighters - when Hatton pressured him on first few rounds, Floyd had some problems; it exposed one major flaw in Floyd; but Hatton spent most of his energy in the process that he did't have much left after that;

3) that Hatton should fight on the inside (swarming) - but the fight showed that Hatton doesn't know how to fight on the inside! and with that, his offense crumbled; instead of continuously attacking, he let out few shots at a time and held on to Floyd immediately after; obviously Hatton is an outside fighter, but with a huge reach disadvantage, that wouldn't have worked with Floyd, which he didn't do anyway, at least after the first few rounds;

It was obvious that Floyd was just too big for Hatton. Even his fans concede that Floyd isn't a big puncher at higher weights, but for naturally smaller Hatton, Floyd's punches were big. Though Floyd did masterfully handle Hatton at the later rounds, Hatton seemed a bit spent by that time. The fight did expose Floyd's major weakness; that is, his problem handling pressure offense. I wonder what would have happened if that kind of pressure came from a bigger fighter. Is this the possible reason why he is said to be avoiding (sorry about the term, I'm just being polite) some fighters? Are those fighters, Margarito, Cotto etc. pressure fighters? I'm just asking because I haven't seen any of them fight yet.

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Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple

Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**

After he beats him....who's next?

It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.

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I don't think many people question Floyd's talent, but if he wants to be considered the greatest of all-time, which he apparently does, he ain't there yet. Talent alone is not enough, you have to PROVE you can beat the best out there. Now if Hatton was out of his league, as so many are saying, what's the great accomplishment of Floyd's part? I'm not knocking Floyd, but IMO, he has to beat 2-3 more ELITE fighters to be considered the best ever.

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Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple

Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**

After he beats him....who's next?

It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.

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Well Cotto is a far more dangerous fight. Wouldn't pick him to win but its clearly the fight to be made. Williams is another guy but why would Floyd fight him when he's not that big of a name, Cottos' the way to go.

Anyway I thought Floyd looked good, I picked him to win but not to stop him so he exceeded my expectations.

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LuvFightGame,I know you were critical of Mayweather for not trying to finish his fights:thoughts now?

Also,what happened in the Ponce fight,did anyone see it? I heard it was dull,I have not had time to watch it yet.

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Don't bother with the Ponce fight... It was awful.. Same with the Lacy vs Manfredo fight.

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Wow,was it that bad! I had the mispleasure of seeing the Lacy and Manfredo "fight". Wish I hadnt!

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LuvFightGame,I know you were critical of Mayweather for not trying to finish his fights:thoughts now?

Also,what happened in the Ponce fight,did anyone see it? I heard it was dull,I have not had time to watch it yet.

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Avoid that fight at all costs unless you're a big fan of Ponce De Leon. He looked dreadful... it was shocking how much he was missing his punches by, you would never think he is a world champion if that was your first glimpse of him. He looked like a journeyman upsetting a decent boxer at best. ;)

:coolclick: back for earlier man.
I think you were hitting the nail on the head about Mayweather vs. De La Hoya. People rarely ever give Floyd credit, it is always "the other guys stamina faded/lost confidence/changed to the wrong tactics etc..." The reason it appears like that is a testament to Floyd's skill. Against Judah, he adjusted to the southpaw style and outboxed Zab. Against Oscar he also adjusted, and Oscar had no answer... against Ricky, he simply bided his time until he felt it was time to strike, much like a lion waiting in the high grass for its prey. It can't be coincidence that fighters keep "fading in the second half" of Mayweather fights only. Floyd simply overwhelms them to the point where they are almost paralyzed and unable to let their hands go! It has happened too many times now, I can no longer say that luck is just on Floyd's side.
That is my opinion anyway.

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Totally agreed my man,excellent points again. It's always had Oscar done this,had Zab done that,whereas in actual fact,it's not what they hadn't done but more what Floyd had done, ie. adapted and upped the tempo. Also,about the Ponce fight,I'm a huge fan but he blows hot and cold and I guarantee,the day he goes in against a boxer with power and good defence,he is going to be RUTHLESSLY exposed! Keep him away from Molitor!

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Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple

Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**

After he beats him....who's next?

It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.

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Whilst I agree with what you said,if you don't want to see Mayweather Cotto or don't think it would be a close fight,you're crazy! I'm not going to go overboard and start saying Cotto will KTFO Mayweather etc because I actually think Mayweather would win but it would be a great fight. If Floyd hasn't got long left,he needs to give us a fight v a natural powerful WW. I don't see any other fight out there for him.

Penalosafan(sorry I can't seem to be able to quote!), I don't agree with some of your points. Whilst Hatton did well early on,again,I have the feeling it was more Floyd getting a feel for Ricky.Seeing what he has to offer. I don't think the fight exposed any major weakness in Mayweather to be honest.If he doesn't fight Cotto,then you'll see me be the first to rip him for not fighting the best fighter at WW besides him. And yeah,Cotto and Margarito are the quintessential pressure fighters at 147 along with Williams,who no-one really wants to fight.

Totally agree with Pumafan and JesseJames. Mayweather should now fight the other best WW now and definitely needs more wins to be considered a really high ATG. He is on his way.

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Totally agree with Pumafan and JesseJames. Mayweather should now fight the other best WW now and definitely needs more wins to be considered a really high ATG. He is on his way.

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Floyd was spinning his wheels a bit before he fought Oscar, but his last two fights are definitely moving him toward an ATG career. I'd like to see him fight Cotto - a win there would give him a lot of clout for his argument that he's an ATG.

Hey Gents,
Brilliant performance on Mayweather's part. His footwork and defense were superb as usual. He potshotted and counter-punched beautifully. His timing and accuracy were amazing; definitely the best in the biz for the last 10or so years. Simply a masterful performance. Only his fights against Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, and Arturo Gatti exceeded this performance.

The only way I foresaw Hatton having any chance of beating Mayweather was if Mayweather broke one of his hands and had a lackluster performance like he did in his first fight against Jose Luis Castillo (which, by the way, many experts believe Mayweather lost). To his credit, Mayweather knew he performed badly in this fight and that the win was a gift, so he made an immediate rematch and schooled Castillo the second time around when Castillo was in his prime.

Looking ahead to the future, I believe Mayweather will fight again against either Cotto or De La Hoya in a year or so. He's at the top of his game and fame right now and won't be able to stay away from the limelight and money. Personally, I hope it will be against Cotto 'cause he'd school De La Hoya again in a boring rematch. Cotto would have a better shot of beating him especially if the aforementioned (i.e. he sustains a broken hand) happens. Other than that, I foresee Mayweather beating Cotto by decision. After that, I think Mayweather should retire for good at 40-0.

Anyway, that's my two cents...

Take Care,
Lito

Hatton fought his style of fight and still lost which is not a slight at him as he put in a brave, determined effort but Floyd Mayweather showed he can adjust to fight and brawl rather than just box.

Ricky put up a brave effort but let's be truthful - he was outclassed. The first knockdown was all about Floyd's superb timing.

I'm not a fan of Floyd or his fighting syle but there is no denying his ability and skills.

Hatton fought his fight and was outpunched and eventually knocked out.

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Totally agree with Pumafan and JesseJames. Mayweather should now fight the other best WW now and definitely needs more wins to be considered a really high ATG. He is on his way.

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Floyd was spinning his wheels a bit before he fought Oscar, but his last two fights are definitely moving him toward an ATG career. I'd like to see him fight Cotto - a win there would give him a lot of clout for his argument that he's an ATG.

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Totall agree my man BC. Hey,I have given Mayweather HUGE props throughout this thread but I'm not going to let it cloud my thinking.I'm not a hater or whatever stupid term is used, Floyd did what he was supposed to do in my opinion,beat a guy who was a dangerous fighter but a fighter not established at the weight class. I said it before the fight and I'll say it again,it is an impressive W,VERY impressive but Hatton was not top 5 at WW. An argument could be made that he was not top 10. Floyd gets credit for winning,now lets fight a legit,natural WW,Cotto.

I just read the whole I'm taking a year or 2 off BS and it's NOT impressive.At all. Miguel Cotto is there,let's make the fight happen. It's not like Cotto is not a draw,which is the only reason I don't mention PW and Tony's names,they aren't draws so Floyd won't fight them(the fact that they are monstrously big doesn't help either ;) )

I think Hatton fought with almost too much emotion. He let the hype go to his head and wanted to just smash PBF's head and totally forgot the body. I think PBF showed again just how amazing a fighter he really is, we should seriously be greatful of having such a talent around! I wish that PBF acted as he did after the fight all the time, then he would be soooo much more popular! Cannot understand why he acts like such a div!

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Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple

Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**

After he beats him....who's next?

It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.

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I don't think many people question Floyd's talent, but if he wants to be considered the greatest of all-time, which he apparently does, he ain't there yet. Talent alone is not enough, you have to PROVE you can beat the best out there. Now if Hatton was out of his league, as so many are saying, what's the great accomplishment of Floyd's part? I'm not knocking Floyd, but IMO, he has to beat 2-3 more ELITE fighters to be considered the best ever.

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Problem with whatchersayinghere is that lots of folks look elite until they get in with Floyd. Then they look outclassed.

So the end result is that Floyd never manages to fight any elite fighters, so he's never proven himself.

Gotta love the catch-22.

Though greatest of all time ... well, that's not something I'm going to quibble about. He is at the very least a contender for that spot.