Thank god it was a ko because...

Half of you guys, and the world would have thought this was a close fight, when though it was competitive for awhile it was never that close. Hatton put pressure on Mayweather, but he hardly ever landed once Mayweather adapted, and Mayweather was landing a lot of punches the compubox people obviously weren't seeing. PBF was easily landing over 50% of his power shots and he did some good body work in close. My biggest surprise was that he was actually better than Hatton on the inside and he didn't complain to the ref when things got rough like he used to, instead he punched back. Joe Cortez, this was his worst ref'ing I've seen, it didn't change the fight because Mayweather was able to handle himself, but Mayweather should have lost a point at the very least for his using elbows in there so much. However Hatton is still a really good fighter, and I think that he has a lot left in him.

That was always the problem for Hatton, he's got good foot speed so he could get in quickly on Mayweather but Mayweather's a great inside fighter, that's what seperates him from most "boxers."

Has Mayweather ever had a point taken away for using the left elbow, I can't remember. He's always used it when fighting on the inside.

Anyway I doubt Hatton sticks around that long, definitely not at 147, its just not his best weight. And with his style he's not going to get better as he gets older. I read where he's told his family he'll retire within a year and I know boxers say that stuff all the time but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did.

Yeah thank god for the KO. I dont get the Hatton fans, so what if you barge in and apply lots of uneducated pressure but land hardly any punches does that automatically give you the round. This fight was dominated by Mayweather even if there was'nt a KO, but lets not forget there was a KO. Lets not ever forget. I do hope he does recover mentally from the ko though, he seems to be a good likeable fella.

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That was always the problem for Hatton, he's got good foot speed so he could get in quickly on Mayweather but Mayweather's a great inside fighter, that's what seperates him from most "boxers."

Has Mayweather ever had a point taken away for using the left elbow, I can't remember. He's always used it when fighting on the inside.

Anyway I doubt Hatton sticks around that long, definitely not at 147, its just not his best weight. And with his style he's not going to get better as he gets older. I read where he's told his family he'll retire within a year and I know boxers say that stuff all the time but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did.

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Lets see Hatton fight Junior Witter before he retires though. I still want to see that.

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Has Mayweather ever had a point taken away for using the left elbow, I can't remember. He's always used it when fighting on the inside.

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He lost a point for that in the first Castillo fight. He was pretty over the top with it in that fight tho.

This fight proves to me Hatton was lucky to catch Castillo at the tail-end of his career and moving up in weight. Castillo fought PBF at his best weight and still arguably won their first fight. Hatton fought him higher up and got blasted.

Lets face the facts Mayweather let Hatton fight his gameplan,and he still schooled him throughout the fight
There should have been a plan B in case plan A wasnt working
There wasnt
And as much as Ive disliked Floyd's mouth,and his antics over the years,he was actually pretty classy in the win

I didint see any problem with the scoring. Hatton hit Elbows and Shoulders all night and shipped very clean punches...i gave Mayweather practically every round.

I think for the first time the judges had it right. I was dissapointed in Lederman, and it was getting me worried that Mayweather might be robbed or even have this fight made to look closer than it was, just like the Oscar Dela Hoya fight. I think HBO does that to make the fights appear closer than they, or their whole squad really has no idea what its talking about. Also they should not have Emanuel on for Mayweather fights because he always says that Mayweather won't be able to handle this or that, but he always ends being able to handle what his opponent does. Oscar started jabing so Mayweather started countering him HARD with right crosses during the middleweights rounds which stopped Oscar from throwing it, Hatton tried to get inside and Mayweather picked his spots and threw short, stiff punches on the inside and head snapping jabs and crosses from the outside. The funny thing is that I believe if Mayweather wanted to he could have stayed on the outside using his jab like he did in the 8th or 9th I believe, but he made it a fight like against Oscar moreso than it could have been.

Floyd was only up by 1 round when he knocked Hatton out.

Floyd didn't get hit at a better ratio than he hit Ricky but he didn't have ring generalship either....Ricky controlled the pace of the fight.


That being said I think it was most impressive that Floyd allowed Ricky to get close to him and Floyd still won. That right cross that shook Ricky was the turning point, much more so than the point being taken because up til then Ricky thought he had a shot but once he got rocked he started to doubt himself a lot more, you could tell it.

I think the score of 88-82 was not debatable depending on how you look at it. Of the 10 rounds PBF outlanded Hatton by 8 rounds to 2. Hatton threw more in 6 of the 10 rounds but one of them was the 6 where according to the BBC Hatton landed more but threw less. They also had PBF landing 127 out of 344 whilst Hatton landed 65 out of 357. Looking at the stats round by round 88-82 is not too far off, based on BBC punch stats.

Rickys corner let him down as much as his no jab style did ,they not once gave him the order to jab first then move in or under.
I think they must have cancelled out the whole basics in their minds just on Floyds longer reach and speed.
It was obvious his style wasnt working they owed it to their fighter to give him more options or answers, I heard none.
Ref should of deducted a point of off Floyd as well to be fair.
Floyd rocked, escaped unscathed, glad it finished the way it did or some people would be pissn and moaning for years.

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It was obvious his style wasnt working they owed it to their fighter to give him more options or answers, I heard none.

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What other options did he have? I don't think he had any.

Just watched the fight. Hatton won 2 rounds. 3 at best. The KD was hilarious.

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It was obvious his style wasnt working they owed it to their fighter to give him more options or answers, I heard none.

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What other options did he have? I don't think he had any.

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1 Ricky your getting caught your down on points, his jab is catching you on the way in becuase you got both hands loaded for inner fighting!"

2 "Ricky dont just move in! redistance yourself, watch for the jab ,check it at the arm, at a distance, then move in on that same side and then do your inside work."


They owed him at least that !

I just want to know why he hardly tried to punch to the body. Switching to a right hook would have given him some success. He left himself open anyhow, it would have been worth the risk, moreso than the obvious left anyhow.

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It was obvious his style wasnt working they owed it to their fighter to give him more options or answers, I heard none.

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What other options did he have? I don't think he had any.

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1 Ricky your getting caught your down on points, his jab is catching you on the way in becuase you got both hands loaded for inner fighting!"

2 "Ricky dont just move in! redistance yourself, watch for the jab ,check it at the arm, at a distance, then move in on that same side and then do your inside work."


They owed him at least that !

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"Watch for the jab!"? Thanks Eddie Futch!

Hatton was able to get on the inside all night. He was just ineffective when he was there. There's no point in "redistancing" himself. He'd get picked apart on the outside and on the way in. He'd leave himself open to hard clean shots if he tried to stand and parry Floyd's jab.

The one thing Hatton really could've done to help himself was to step around to his left when Floyd would bend over to his right. That was a bit sloppy of PBF.

Yeah he was single minded. we've all seen him fight differently before. I half blame the corner for not waking him up to it.

Its easy to be Monday Morning Quarterbacks when PBF is all up in yo' shit. :laugh:

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It was obvious his style wasnt working they owed it to their fighter to give him more options or answers, I heard none.

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What other options did he have? I don't think he had any.

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1 Ricky your getting caught your down on points, his jab is catching you on the way in becuase you got both hands loaded for inner fighting!"

2 "Ricky dont just move in! redistance yourself, watch for the jab ,check it at the arm, at a distance, then move in on that same side and then do your inside work."


They owed him at least that !

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"Watch for the jab!"? Thanks Eddie Futch!

Hatton was able to get on the inside all night. He was just ineffective when he was there. There's no point in "redistancing" himself. He'd get picked apart on the outside and on the way in. He'd leave himself open to hard clean shots if he tried to stand and parry Floyd's jab.

The one thing Hatton really could've done to help himself was to step around to his left when Floyd would bend over to his right. That was a bit sloppy of PBF.

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Not what I said .
I said take the jab at the jab distance and then move in on that same side.
Redistancing first allows you to do that, you stay out of reach ,let them come forwards instead ,you adjust footwork so the distance remains you check the jab and follow it home on the same side so your away from their other hand.

HAtton went forward all night ,and got tagged and timed all night .
'why not try to control the middle road first ?
IF it doesnt work why not try the complete reverse and go backwards just to see if you can interupt new movment.

There are three distances in boxing pre contact /contact to arms at arms length /then body and head contact range.

Other fight styles use another 3 ranges for foot contact at leg length ,elbow contact to head and then head buts and grappling range too and they have to think and move differently through all of them or they get clubbed.

Why not do it in boxings three ranges and use them all seperatley instead of stepping in head first thinking only of the inside and getting caught every time?

He got knocked out because floyd moved at the last second and ricky got confused to as what hand to throw he threw the wrong hand at the wrong time and left himselft open to the quick left hook. It was mayweathers speed that threw him off balance for that punch. If mayweather didn't possess such superhuman speed, that ko would have never happened. Look how short the punch was. Hatton didn't get knocked out by the turnbuckle he got knocked silly by a perfectly timed piddly left hook.

Hatton is dead in the water against Floyd at long and mid range. If he moves back and makes Floyd follow, what does that do for him? Hatton can't box off the back foot well enough to get anything done against PBF. Hatton doesn't have the skills or coordination to parry Floyd's jab consistently. "Looking for the jab" would be disastrous for him. He'd get feinted in to hooks and straight rights all night.

Floyd isn't Eamon Magee. When Hatton gets close he should stay there as long as possible because Floyd's either gone with the wind or punching him in the face as soon as he gets some space.

Hatton isn't Castillo. There's not alot of craft or subtlety to what Hatton does. There never was. He mauls and wrestles and wears you out.

Fundamentally and technically, what you're saying makes sense but Hatton doesn't have the talent or skills to implement it against someone like Floyd. His only shot was basically what he did. Get inside as often as possible and look to outwork and wear down Floyd. There were things he could've done on the inside. Step around Floyd when he starts leaning over, especially on the ropes. Even tho this gives Floyd a chance for escape it would've been worth it since he wasn't getting much done mauling. He could've used his shoulders and forearms to open Floyd up but I don't think Hatton has that kind of craft.

There's not a lot of point in Hatton trying to fight Floyd on the inside. He did that, and Floyd did better on the inside than Hatton did.

Come to think of it, there's not much point Hatton getting in the ring with Floyd.

Yes, Hatton set (not to say controlled) the pace of the fight with his steamrolling ways, but that didn't really throw Floyd off. It made Floyd stay busy and aggressive.

Not the kind of Floyd you really want to fight. You might just get KO'd.

Not meaning to dis Hatton - just realistically speaking. I am not a Hatton-hater. I just believe that there is significant distance between these two. You never know until you know, but now we do know.

Hatton was never really a proven welterweight but o well the fight happen can not change it anyhow.

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I just want to know why he hardly tried to punch to the body. Switching to a right hook would have given him some success. He left himself open anyhow, it would have been worth the risk, moreso than the obvious left anyhow.

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....once he was on the inside he never turned to one side or the other to open up the hook to the body and open up Floyd's defense. Had he done that it would have meant AT LEAST a closer fighter

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Its easy to be Monday Morning Quarterbacks when PBF is all up in yo' shit. :laugh:

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Floyd was not up all in his shiet. Hatton was being baited into the corner. Hatton would walk in or jump in and get caught or not get caught but it was the same thing over and over again. Floyd runs, Hatton chases, Hatton get's caught, Floyd hugs, ref breaks up the action,.. repeat. Honestly, Hatton was about as foolish as Cotto was against Judah. How many times did Cotto get caught with the sneak up? I was like come on Miguel you are walking right into that shiet. Samething with Hatton, All Floyd did was duck most of the fight below the waist line and live under Hatton's arm pit.
I will give credit to team Mayweather who seems to have done their homework for this fight and basicly neutrilized Hatton's attack by ducking below the waist line and hugging Hatton with nearly every opportunity.
I am just glad team Cotto adjusted their game plan against Mosley and did not make those same mistakes he made against Judah, Cotto did pretty good considering he never used normal bread and butter to the body which means Cotto is not one dimmensional. ;)

Bottom line is, I thought PBF was going to box full circles around Hatton from start to finish and that was not the case. Floyd ran, Floyd baited and waited and that was pretty much it. What if Hatton had never gone forward? What if Hatton would have ran all night? It would have been a completely different fight.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Its easy to be Monday Morning Quarterbacks when PBF is all up in yo' shit. :laugh:

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Floyd was not up all in his shiet. Hatton was being baited into the corner. Hatton would walk in or jump in and get caught or not get caught but it was the same thing over and over again. Floyd runs, Hatton chases, Hatton get's caught, Floyd hugs, ref breaks up the action,.. repeat. Honestly, Hatton was about as foolish as Cotto was against Judah. How many times did Cotto get caught with the sneak up? I was like come on Miguel you are walking right into that shiet. Samething with Hatton, All Floyd did was duck most of the fight below the waist line and live under Hatton's arm pit.
I will give credit to team Mayweather who seems to have done their homework for this fight and basicly neutrilized Hatton's attack by ducking below the waist line and hugging Hatton with nearly every opportunity.
I am just glad team Cotto adjusted their game plan against Mosley and did not make those same mistakes he made against Judah, Cotto did pretty good considering he never used normal bread and butter to the body which means Cotto is not one dimmensional. ;)

Bottom line is, I thought PBF was going to box full circles around Hatton from start to finish and that was not the case. Floyd ran, Floyd baited and waited and that was pretty much it. What if Hatton had never gone forward? What if Hatton would have ran all night? It would have been a completely different fight.

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Ha ha that would have been bloody funny

Hatton possibly would have lost more-lopsided. i love Hatton, but his one great asset is as he would say, "intelligent aggression" fighting backwards all night isn't his fight. NOt saying he can't.

Personally i don't think the knock out menas much at all.

He was obviously told he needed a knock out to win so came out in the tenth round and went for it.

Diving in totally forgetting the basics. Lead with the jab, then follow it u, keep the right hand up. etc

He dropped that right hand like a novice would in desperation. I always knew he wasn't a welter weight. If you look at his shape going into that fight he looks fat on a boxing scale.

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It was obvious his style wasnt working they owed it to their fighter to give him more options or answers, I heard none.

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What other options did he have? I don't think he had any.

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1 Ricky your getting caught your down on points, his jab is catching you on the way in becuase you got both hands loaded for inner fighting!"

2 "Ricky dont just move in! redistance yourself, watch for the jab ,check it at the arm, at a distance, then move in on that same side and then do your inside work."


They owed him at least that !

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"Watch for the jab!"? Thanks Eddie Futch!

Hatton was able to get on the inside all night. He was just ineffective when he was there. There's no point in "redistancing" himself. He'd get picked apart on the outside and on the way in. He'd leave himself open to hard clean shots if he tried to stand and parry Floyd's jab.

The one thing Hatton really could've done to help himself was to step around to his left when Floyd would bend over to his right. That was a bit sloppy of PBF.

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How is that slopypy, Mayweather slips the jab and gets right inside so you can't retaliate, then he either throws punches or stays so close you can't get anything effective off if you can even get past his defense.