~ I am now FULLY convinced that no one can beat PBF ~

1st and foremost I gotta applaud PBF for his fucken brilliant performace. :appl:

If he could just shut his mouth and fight more often like last night he'd be more liked and applauded.


But anyway... What a fight that was....

I was thinking last night as the fight was on,
How in the world is PBF a better inside fighter then Hatton? ???
WTF? I could not believe my eyes last night. PBF was the one mugging and beating Hatton on the inside. This shit reminded of the way Cotto & SSM switched roles with Cotto outboxing SSM....
Now posters here wanna blame Cortez :beat: please! this was a difficult fight to ref I think Cortez was a bit too aggressive early on but then calmed down later in the fight. For those who keep finding excuses stop it cause there arent any.

After last nights performance I gotta say I am FULLY convinced that no one can beat PBF. I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here back in 2005 when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW, JamesFatToney & some other posters here were bashing Cotto. I told all of them that Cotto was the future that within some fights he'd prove that he was someone to beat. Well guess what I don't think Cotto stands a chance against PBF.

Not Cotto
Not Margarito
Not Williams
Not Cintron
Not Forrest
Not Spinks
Not no one.....

I am alos fully convinced that PBF is withouth a doubt the BEST FIGHTER this era has produced and his skills in the ring are fucken mind blowing. The way in which he has evolved throught the years the way in which he can adapt to any style that any fighter presents. The way PBF caught Hatton with the left hook early in the fight was IMO an early indication of things to come. I turned to my friend and said if Hatton keeps jumping in like that hes gonna get caught with a right hand... Well to my and everyones surprise it was a left hook that did the job. I don't see anyone beting PBF unless PBF has the worst night of his life in the ring. I'd also like to say that last nights win IMO catapults PBF in the all time ranks & all time P4P rankings.
I think I had PBF somewhere around 20 I'm not too sure but this win surely gives him a few steps up towards #1.
IF PBF decides to continue fighting and IF PBF does face any of these opponents and wins he IMO will most defintely jump to somewhere in the top 10 all time list. In no particular order: Cotto, Williams, Cintron or Forrest.
Now I understand not all of them are big names but they are considered as some of the best today and IF PBF can defeat one maybe two of them that IMO will further more advance him in the all time rankings.

To the Hatton fans...Chin up man.. Your boy did 'ya proud. He chased the champion he went after the man got his shot at him. Theres no shame in loosing to the best in the world. Hatton needs to solidify himself at 140 as one of the best ever he is now but he needs some of the other names on his resume. Witter, Maliganggi, Torres IMO Hatton should go back out there and just take 140 by storm if he wants to cement his legacy.

Also I'd like to point out that this picture here below is a scan of something that has become one of my most prized posessions.

(Ring Magazine signed by PBF)

I think Cotto and Williams would be Mayweather hardest fights.

Ive always been convinced from when he beat Genero Hernandez for the WBC superfeather title.

We can only assume but thats about it.

Believe t when I see it. Once Flooyd accepts a fight against Cotto automatically he will have my respect. and If he wins I even changing my sig

CC Mick, good post. Though I think Cortez was a bit jumpy in the 1st rounds, I have said it wouldn't have mattered in the end. Where was Joe in the Hopkins/Wright fight? ;D As for Hatton, he did what he could, and that's that. He is a game little guy, but took a few too many punches. I knew he'd get knocked out, just thought it would happen sooner. I do think and would like to see Williams fight Floyd, as it would be intriguing to see how Floyd dealt with the freaky frame and high output of Williams; but Floyd always finds a way to win, so I don't think I'll ever bet against him. I know I didn't last night!!

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I think Cotto and Williams would be Mayweather hardest fights.

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I don't think either stands a chance on gods green earth.
Williams could possibly win some early rounds impressively but IMO would fall short late in the fight.
Cotto as much as I like the kid and his currently of the new class my favourite of them all I just don't think he's skilled enough to beat PBF. Like I said I can't see anyone beating PBF in this era of boxers.

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Ive always been convinced from when he beat Genero Hernandez for the WBC superfeather title.

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Either your PBF himself or Nostradomus? ;D

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We can only assume but thats about it.

Believe t when I see it. Once Flooyd accepts a fight against Cotto automatically he will have my respect. and If he wins I even changing my sig

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Well Puya I see what you mean but come on PBF is the one that made the fight happen. He accepted Hattons challenge.
He faced Hatton and beat Hatton at his own game... You gotta applaud that.

You can assume but I believe Cotto and Williams would really hurt Floyd the pressure they apply, volume of punches, and power of their punches would be far more than Hatton applied.

Ricky did as good as he could but his size was against him and his stamina caught up with him too

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CC Mick, good post. Though I think Cortez was a bit jumpy in the 1st rounds, I have said it wouldn't have mattered in the end. Where was Joe in the Hopkins/Wright fight? ;D As for Hatton, he did what he could, and that's that. He is a game little guy, but took a few too many punches. I knew he'd get knocked out, just thought it would happen sooner. I do think and would like to see Williams fight Floyd, as it would be intriguing to see how Floyd dealt with the freaky frame and high output of Williams; but Floyd always finds a way to win, so I don't think I'll ever bet against him. I know I didn't last night!!

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Thanks LEGION.....

Again I can def. see Williams wining some early rounds convincingly but in the end like you I think PBFs crafty skills will help him figure out Williams and he'd rack up yet another impressive win.

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I think Cotto and Williams would be Mayweather hardest fights.

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Oh I agree. I just think they'll be his most difficult fights. But I still think he'll come out ahead

There might be no one out there can beat Floyd right now. But like all fighters, Floyd will eventually lose at some point. All fighters lose to father time at some point. 2-3 years from now, Floyd will have lost a step, and some younger stronger fighter will beat him.

But right now he is the best fighter in the world by a considerable margin, and it's been that way for several years.

I was a massive Naz fan and when ever the Naz vs PBF subject came up i did'nt want him to fight PBF he would have been to slick even for Naz.God he is great but he should retire on top 39-0 25 KO's 5 weight world champs all against the weights number 1's and 6 time world champ from superfeather to lightmiddle very impressive and only 5ft 8 inch.

Cotto squeaked out a victory against Mosley, I find it funny how people see that as somehow translating to him hurting Floyd badly, let alone for a single solitary moment. I think people need to start realizing that stamina is not something that can simply be attained with hard training, it's like skill, some people simply have more of it than others, and Floyd has both more skill AND stamina than any boxer in the world. He is arguably the best conditioned athlete on the planet. And people also need to stop acting as if Hatton hit like a featherweight. No one, not Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto, or Williams, possesses one punch knock out power. This notion that Cotto will somehow devastate Mayweather is mildly hysterical.

Well I criticize it from day one when I heard that the fight will take place at 147 instead at 140 but that's Hatton's fault for accepting that. Why in GODS GREEN EARTH if you are fighting at 154 and then challenge the top guy at 140 to fight at 147 knowing he did not did so good in his last visit at that weight.

Hey I like Ricky 5'6" he along Cotto 5'8.5" and Tito 5'11" among others are in my boxing dictionary right beside the word heart.

Hey Floyd 5'9" has mad skill but I can't call him the best WW while he is no fighting the best at WW.

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Cotto squeaked out a victory against Mosley, I find it funny how people see that as somehow translating to him hurting Floyd badly, let alone for a single solitary moment. I think people need to start realizing that stamina is not something that can simply be attained with hard training, it's like skill, some people simply have more of it than others, and Floyd has both more skill AND stamina than any boxer in the world. He is arguably the best conditioned athlete on the planet. And people also need to stop acting as if Hatton hit like a featherweight. No one, not Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto, or Williams, possesses one punch knock out power. This notion that Cotto will somehow devastate Mayweather is mildly hysterical.

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Well if you think Cotto having a close fight with Mosley means Mayweather Jr. would toy with him then your thoughts are just as hysterical as those who thin Cotto will KO him in 1.

All I know is Miguel beats anyone put infront of him and whenever he's hurt he fires back with harder shots and he does have a decent chin, he's been caught with some huge punches and he's come back and won.

Paul Williams is just a freak, 100+ punches a round, left handed, and he's 6'1 and he can take a shot too.


Floyd is a great fighter there is no arguing that but he hasn't beaten the best in this division yet, he hasn't even come close.....he's beaten some good fighters but if he beat Cotto and Williams then I would be forced to pair him with Leonard, Robinson, Hearns, and Duran

I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.

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Cotto squeaked out a victory against Mosley, I find it funny how people see that as somehow translating to him hurting Floyd badly, let alone for a single solitary moment. I think people need to start realizing that stamina is not something that can simply be attained with hard training, it's like skill, some people simply have more of it than others, and Floyd has both more skill AND stamina than any boxer in the world. He is arguably the best conditioned athlete on the planet. And people also need to stop acting as if Hatton hit like a featherweight. No one, not Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto, or Williams, possesses one punch knock out power. This notion that Cotto will somehow devastate Mayweather is mildly hysterical.

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Well if you think Cotto having a close fight with Mosley means Mayweather Jr. would toy with him then your thoughts are just as hysterical as those who thin Cotto will KO him in 1.

All I know is Miguel beats anyone put infront of him and whenever he's hurt he fires back with harder shots and he does have a decent chin, he's been caught with some huge punches and he's come back and won.

Paul Williams is just a freak, 100+ punches a round, left handed, and he's 6'1 and he can take a shot too.


Floyd is a great fighter there is no arguing that but he hasn't beaten the best in this division yet, he hasn't even come close.....he's beaten some good fighters but if he beat Cotto and Williams then I would be forced to pair him with Leonard, Robinson, Hearns, and Duran

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Point out where I said Floyd would Toy with Cotto then come talk to me, until then don't put words in someone's mouth. Cotto is undoubtedly stronger than Hatton, but let's put the make believe act to bed though that he's somehow 'twice' as strong as Hatton. There's one aspect people seem to be forgetting about, and that's accuracy. Mosley is nowhere near as accurate as Floyd is, I really haven't even seen anyone who is since Pernell Whitaker. People also are funny in thinking Cotto can just march on through and not feel any pain. He will get picked apart, and Floyd, although no Tommy Hearns in the power department, has enough power to earn ANY welterweight's respect.

Mick Im also fully convinced that as Ive said before, we will all be sat watching fights with children/grandchildren many years down the line an they'll be talking about some welterweight star and we'll tell them.........he wouldnt have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jnr ;D

Agreed it seems that way after this fight. We lost the signal where i watched it so missed some of the middle rounds. I agree with you about Cortez. He was in a bit too much early, the first 2 rounds in particular but he settled and let the fighters sort it out i thought. And Hatton got beaten by a better fighter, that's all.

I don't see how anyone can be FULLY CONVINCED that PBF cannot be beat when he CLEARLY has NOT fought the BEST in his division!
Until he fights Cotto and after Williams has a few more fights underneath then there is NO WAY anyone can say that Floyd has beat the BEST in his division period!

Have a CC on me mick. Great post, I admire the fact that you are one of a very limited breed that puts personal bias and favoritism aside and calls em like he sees him. Agreed with ya 100%

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I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.

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I agree with you BoomBoom. Floyd looked scared and he fought dirty. He was one trick ponying Hatton and Floyd was hitting and holding. The one thing camp Floyd was accusing Floyd of doing, he himself was doing. Cotto was there first hand to see what a sorry @ss fighter Floyd really is. I thought Floyd was better than this but he is worse than I thought.
Floyd was just waiting on Ricky and Ricky was walking into those one shooter hits from Floyd. I was not impressed.

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Well I criticize it from day one when I heard that the fight will take place at 147 instead at 140 but that's Hatton's fault for accepting that. Why in GODS GREEN EARTH if you are fighting at 154 and then challenge the top guy at 140 to fight at 147 knowing he did not did so good in his last visit at that weight.

Hey I like Ricky 5'6" he along Cotto 5'8.5" and Tito 5'11" among others are in my boxing dictionary right beside the word heart.

Hey Floyd 5'9" has mad skill but I can't call him the best WW while he is no fighting the best at WW.

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No way is Floyd 5 ft 9. I know they always quote his height at either 5 ft 8 or 9 but trust me he ain't any bigger than 5 ft 7 1/2 tops.

Hatton is 5 ft 6and there wasn't any more than an inch difference between them.

When Floyd fought Coralles, who I believe was 5 ft 11 he looked tiny, like he was fighting Goliath or something.

I reckon 5 ft 7 1/2 is exactly how tall he is.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.

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I agree with you BoomBoom. Floyd looked scared and he fought dirty. He was one trick ponying Hatton and Floyd was hitting and holding. The one thing camp Floyd was accusing Floyd of doing, he himself was doing. Cotto was there first hand to see what a sorry @ss fighter Floyd really is. I thought Floyd was better than this but he is worse than I thought.
Floyd was just waiting on Ricky and Ricky was walking into those one shooter hits from Floyd. I was not impressed.

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Dont get me wrong, I dont think Floyds not a sorry @ss fighter I just wasnt overly immpressed last night. He beat Hatton because he was supossed to beat Hatton. He had almost every advantage. I was more impressed with Ricky actually because he was the one who was taking the bigger risk by fighting him at Welterweight. Neither guy looked great last night though.

1 ring magazine signed by floyd made you a groupie mick hahaha i kid i kid ;D

Floyd fought a great fight last night, his defense was impecable, he picked his shot well and he fought on the inside where a lot of people felt Hatton would dominate. Floyd showed great versitility, took Hatton off his game and fought an intellegent fight. I dont know how you can say Floyd was scared he made Hatton miss countered well and mixed it up on the inside i didnt see him run no where.

Its funny how before the fight Hatton was given a great chance by a lot of people on this board but now everyone is saying Mayweather was always going to beat him. Give Floyd credit hes the best fighter in the world period and untill someone beat him nothings gonna change that. All other fighter at WW have weaknesses Floyd has very few if any. Cotto can be knocked down and shook, Williams is still green put him in there with some top guys and see how he fairs i mean common Margatio has been beat 5 times, Cintron has been beat and he doesnt seem to like pressure, Mosley has slowed down a touch.

To tell you the truth i loved PBf wins but that to me does not make him unbeatable Hatton very beatable at 147 and would lose to the top guys. But i will say that Pbf did impress me buy the knock out. But as far as Williams is concerned i can not see PBF winning his style not made for Willaims at all. And as far Cotto i going with him i never betting against him again after Shane say what you like but until PBF fights them we will never know.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.

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Well Boom, even if it was just one shot at a time it was much more then what Hatton was "trying" to do. I say trying because Hatton was NOT succeeding at his game plan. IMO, PBF was out smarting Hatton full on. The way that one shot was landing flush it was more dramatic and more of an impression than anything Hatton was doing.
You gotta credit PBF for beating Hatton at his own game. You have to whether you believe it was dirty or not. I mean it's a fight not a tickling contest and PBF understood that from the beginig. I gotta diasgree Boom I really think it was a brilliant performance from PBF.

I still do not understand why you think Pbf beating Hatton makes him Unbeatable with Cotto and Williams they are in a different ball park.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

There might be no one out there can beat Floyd right now. But like all fighters, Floyd will eventually lose at some point. All fighters lose to father time at some point. 2-3 years from now, Floyd will have lost a step, and some younger stronger fighter will beat him.

But right now he is the best fighter in the world by a considerable margin, and it's been that way for several years.

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Right on Sweet...
Do you really think PBF will be fighting in 2-3 yrs?

In his post fight interview he said:
"I wont let boxing retire me, I'll retire from boxing" - PBF

Well I hope hes smart enough to when to say when.

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Mick Im also fully convinced that as Ive said before, we will all be sat watching fights with children/grandchildren many years down the line an they'll be talking about some welterweight star and we'll tell them.........he wouldnt have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jnr ;D

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Very true Memphis... :)

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I don't see how anyone can be FULLY CONVINCED that PBF cannot be beat when he CLEARLY has NOT fought the BEST in his division!

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As I said I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here but I don't see how Cotto can beat PBF.
I'm sorry but I don't.... PBF is IMO light years ahead of everyone something like Pernell was in the 90's just in a league of their own.
PBF is too skilled for Cotto and the same way he nullified Hatton attack he'd nullify Cottos attack I don't care how much of a natural Welter Cotto is PBFs skills exceed far beyond anyone at 147 or 154.

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Until he fights Cotto and after Williams has a few more fights underneath then there is NO WAY anyone can say that Floyd has beat the BEST in his division period!

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Guess what then once he beats Cotto & Williams maybe Berto will be around by then.
Then people will say well what about Berto and so on and so on. Until father time catches up to PBF and he ends up loosing to one of the young bloods. But by then we'll all know PBF was past his best.... Sanchez786 that's the cycle of boxing as the seasoned fighters get older the much younger ones come into play and so and so on until some dethrones them.
Look at Pac he came in at a perfect time when Erik, MAB & JMM were all seasoned vets with loads of fights under them.
If PBF continues to fight this might eventually happen.

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Mick Im also fully convinced that as Ive said before, we will all be sat watching fights with children/grandchildren many years down the line an they'll be talking about some welterweight star and we'll tell them.........he wouldnt have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jnr ;D

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Very true Memphis... :)

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I don't see how anyone can be FULLY CONVINCED that PBF cannot be beat when he CLEARLY has NOT fought the BEST in his division!

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As I said I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here but I don't see how Cotto can beat PBF.
I'm sorry but I don't.... PBF is IMO light years ahead of everyone something like Pernell was in the 90's just in a league of their own.
PBF is too skilled for Cotto and the same way he nullified Hatton attack he'd nullify Cottos attack I don't care how much of a natural Welter Cotto is PBFs skills exceed far beyond anyone at 147 or 154.

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Originally Posted by sanchez786

Until he fights Cotto and after Williams has a few more fights underneath then there is NO WAY anyone can say that Floyd has beat the BEST in his division period!

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Guess what then once he beats Cotto & Williams maybe Berto will be around by then.
Then people will say well what about Berto and so on and so on. Until father time catches up to PBF and he ends up loosing to one of the young bloods. But by then we'll all know PBF was past his best.... Sanchez786 that's the cycle of boxing as the seasoned fighters get older the much younger ones come into play and so and so on until some dethrones them.
Look at Pac he came in at a perfect time when Erik, MAB & JMM were all seasoned vets with loads of fights under them.
If PBF continues to fight this might eventually happen.

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CC Mick.. there will ALWAYS be a "young up and comer". There will always be "what ifs".. but there is no denying that Floyd is the best in the division, and is p4p #1 regardless of who he HASN'T fought.

honestly though, how many people aside from hardcore Hatton fans thought Hatton was going to win?

Not many. A lot wanted him to win, but how many would have laid money on it? I was offered 3 to 1 for hatton to win any way possible and didnt take it.


Now since Floyd beat up on Hatton he is considered unbeatable? cmon..

I was happy floyd put on a really entertaining fight and he did beat hatton at hatton's own game and dominated from the outside. But I think Cotto would stop hatton inside the distance as well. Same with Margarito. PW would at least UD hatton. They might not do it as as impressive as Floyd, but all could do it.

I favor PBF to beat any of the full fledged top ww's and he will be a strong favorite by the bookies against them too. But there are bigger challenges than Hatton was, just that bring less money.

PBF is #1 p4p, no doubt. But no way is he unbeatable and even he knows it. That's why he knows to pick his fights and not take on all comers

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Well I criticize it from day one when I heard that the fight will take place at 147 instead at 140 but that's Hatton's fault for accepting that. Why in GODS GREEN EARTH if you are fighting at 154 and then challenge the top guy at 140 to fight at 147 knowing he did not did so good in his last visit at that weight.

Hey I like Ricky 5'6" he along Cotto 5'8.5" and Tito 5'11" among others are in my boxing dictionary right beside the word heart.

Hey Floyd 5'9" has mad skill but I can't call him the best WW while he is no fighting the best at WW.

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Who's the best at WW then ???

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honestly though, how many people aside from hardcore Hatton fans thought Hatton was going to win?

Not many. A lot wanted him to win, but how many would have laid money on it? I was offered 3 to 1 for hatton to win any way possible and didnt take it.


Now since Floyd beat up on Hatton he is considered unbeatable? cmon..

I was happy floyd put on a really entertaining fight and he did beat hatton at hatton's own game and dominated from the outside. But I think Cotto would stop hatton inside the distance as well. Same with Margarito. PW would at least UD hatton. They might not do it as as impressive as Floyd, but all could do it.

I favor PBF to beat any of the full fledged top ww's and he will be a strong favorite by the bookies against them too. But there are bigger challenges than Hatton was, just that bring less money.

PBF is #1 p4p, no doubt. But no way is he unbeatable and even he knows it. That's why he knows to pick his fights and not take on all comers

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And this is the kind of stuff i was talking about in my topic..

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Have a CC on me mick. Great post, I admire the fact that you are one of a very limited breed that puts personal bias and favoritism aside and calls em like he sees him. Agreed with ya 100%

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CC#96 on me Beanflicker....
Well to be honest you should quote me on this and save it somewhere cause it's not too often I can do something like this... ;D
But hey!
Again just watching the fight right now and the way PBF just out smarts Hatton and again how he was the one mauling and beating Hatton on the inside is something special.

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1 ring magazine signed by floyd made you a groupie mick hahaha i kid i kid ;D

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That did it... ;)
If you can get me Ring Mag. signed by Pac I can make a thread like this for him and also vouche that he is infact #1 P4P fighter in the world.

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Floyd fought a great fight last night, his defense was impecable, he picked his shot well and he fought on the inside where a lot of people felt Hatton would dominate. Floyd showed great versitility, took Hatton off his game and fought an intellegent fight. I dont know how you can say Floyd was scared he made Hatton miss countered well and mixed it up on the inside i didnt see him run no where.

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CC on me ACEA good assesment there and I completely agree with you the way PBF changes styles from counter puncher, to inside fighter to brawler was mag-knee-facent. :) He showed versatility and fought smart he knew Hatton was tough so PBF ruffed up instead.. :o Which again I think it's what threw Hatton off.

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Its funny how before the fight Hatton was given a great chance by a lot of people on this board but now everyone is saying Mayweather was always going to beat him. Give Floyd credit hes the best fighter in the world period and untill someone beat him nothings gonna change that. All other fighter at WW have weaknesses Floyd has very few if any. Cotto can be knocked down and shook, Williams is still green put him in there with some top guys and see how he fairs i mean common Margatio has been beat 5 times, Cintron has been beat and he doesnt seem to like pressure, Mosley has slowed down a touch.

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You know ACEA, by any means Am I a PBF fan but theres no denying that the guys something special man...
You face him with any style of fighter this dude will take it apart.

One thing I wil say tho is that I would love to see Cotto & Williams "TRY" to beat PBF.

Tell you the truth cut give me some ways that PBF could beat Williams because when i think of his style i do not think him beating Williams.

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Gotta disagree. Mayweather was terrific last night, but ,honestly, most people saw it coming. Hatton leads with his face, he doesn't jab his way in, and with Mayweather's fast, accurate hands, that is a recipe for a beat down. The way to neutralize Mayweather is with a good jab. We saw in the DLH fight that DLH was in control when he snapped out his jab, but he inexplicably did not use it enough. Both Cotto and Williams use the jab very well. I think that is what gives them a chance. I would probably still pick Floyd over Cotto, because Floyd is so good at timing his opponents and using their aggression against them. I think it would be tough going for the first half of the fight though.

With Williams, I have no idea how you can say he does not have a chance. Not that he is better than Floyd in a p4p sense, but look at all the physical advantages he has. He is about half a foot taller than Floyd with the reach of a heavyweight and and an amazing output. He throws a million jabs. Floyd would have no choice but to fight inside. How is going to be able to do that consistently with Williams throwing that jab out in doubles and triples, then sweeping in that half uppercut-half hook? Floyd fought brilliantly inside against Hatton, sure, but Hatton is 5'6" and doesn't have much of a jab. Williams is a different beast entirely. I wouldn't count Floyd out, but I'm not sure what strategy he could possibly use against a guy with that many physical advantages. That said, the fight will probably never happen. The big draws at are going to avoid Williams like the plague at 147.

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Tell you the truth cut give me some ways that PBF could beat Williams because when i think of his style i do not think him beating Williams.

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Let me guess you like everyone else thinks Williams reach & output will give PBF trouble. Right?

As I said the only way I can see either one Cotto or Williams beating PBF is if PBF just grows old or has the worst night of his career.
To be honest I see the 1st option happening 1st. I just think like SweetPea said earlier father time will catch up to him and he will eventually loose to someone but as of today I don't see Williams reach or Cottos style beating the versatile PBF.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by dasamm

honestly though, how many people aside from hardcore Hatton fans thought Hatton was going to win?

Not many. A lot wanted him to win, but how many would have laid money on it? I was offered 3 to 1 for hatton to win any way possible and didnt take it.


Now since Floyd beat up on Hatton he is considered unbeatable? cmon..

I was happy floyd put on a really entertaining fight and he did beat hatton at hatton's own game and dominated from the outside. But I think Cotto would stop hatton inside the distance as well. Same with Margarito. PW would at least UD hatton. They might not do it as as impressive as Floyd, but all could do it.

I favor PBF to beat any of the full fledged top ww's and he will be a strong favorite by the bookies against them too. But there are bigger challenges than Hatton was, just that bring less money.

PBF is #1 p4p, no doubt. But no way is he unbeatable and even he knows it. That's why he knows to pick his fights and not take on all comers

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And this is the kind of stuff i was talking about in my topic..

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what topic? didnt see it on the front page, got a link?

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.

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Well Boom, even if it was just one shot at a time it was much more then what Hatton was "trying" to do. I say trying because Hatton was NOT succeeding at his game plan. IMO, PBF was out smarting Hatton full on. The way that one shot was landing flush it was more dramatic and more of an impression than anything Hatton was doing.
You gotta credit PBF for beating Hatton at his own game. You have to whether you believe it was dirty or not. I mean it's a fight not a tickling contest and PBF understood that from the beginig. I gotta diasgree Boom I really think it was a brilliant performance from PBF.

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He was landing that straight right pretty much at will. But not once did he follow it with a left hook. Those right hands were hurting Hatton too but I dont know if he was overautios or maybe has lost something cause lightweight PBF from a few years ago would have put his punches toghether a lot more. Great fighter or not in his lastfew fights he has been on the ropes more and thrown less punches. His jab is now almost non-existent now too. He makes up for these things things with his defence, timing, and reflexes, but even though he won as expected I saw a lot of opportunites that Hatton couldnt captialize on because of his size and lack of technical skill.