Emanuel steward says pbf is not an ATG!

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Trainer Emanuel Steward, like Arum, is in the Hall of Fame. He doesn't understand all the fuss about Mayweather, either. In his mind, Mayweather has gone about avoiding all of the other true top welterweight fights.

Steward mentioned Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams and "Sugar" Shane Mosley as fighters Mayweather should be trying to fight, but won't.

"I think a guy who fights against the best competition, and has his performance against the best," Steward said, describing his idea of a great pound-for-pound fighter. "How can you be pound-for-pound (best) when you don't want to fight the best?"

Mayweather, 30, was offered $8 million to fight Margarito some time back. Turned it down. Mayweather has scoffed at the idea of fighting Mosley. When asked about fighting Cotto, Mayweather refused to entertain the notion.

"This isn't Cotto's thing," Mayweather said, meaning he was on the call to talk about Hatton.

Arum has said that Mayweather will never fight Cotto because it's too dangerous of a fight for Mayweather.

Steward intimated that Mayweather needs to fight Cotto, as well as the others, if he wants to truly be boxing's pound-for-pound king. Steward noted that the welterweight division is the most talented in the sport today.

"To me, the guy that's out there who nobody may want to look at, I look at Miguel Cotto," said Steward, who trains one of the other welterweight champions, Kermit Cintron, but did not bring up his name. "Here is a guy who fought the best that he could at 140 (junior welterweight). And he whipped everybody. He's been knocked down, always finds a way to come back and win fights.

"Then moving up to 147 and fighting the best up here. Never dodges anyone."

Never runs from an opponent, either. To Steward, that's all Mayweather does; run from the best and avoid the best.

"You don't want to fight any of these guys and still you want to be considered the top welterweight when you won't even fight welterweights?" Steward said. "I just don't see it. I mean, you got people like Cotto who is out here fighting his (butt) off with the best.

"Great fighters like (Muhammad) Ali, he wouldn't have said, `Well, I don't want to fight this guy because he doesn't mean anything.' He fought everybody, went all over the world, fought all the best fighters in their countries. (Sugar Ray) Robinson did the same thing. Joe Louis. Those were great pound-for-pound fighters. I've never known a great fighter who picked and chose his fights."

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

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Trainer Emanuel Steward, like Arum, is in the Hall of Fame. He doesn't understand all the fuss about Mayweather, either. In his mind, Mayweather has gone about avoiding all of the other true top welterweight fights.

Steward mentioned Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams and "Sugar" Shane Mosley as fighters Mayweather should be trying to fight, but won't.

"I think a guy who fights against the best competition, and has his performance against the best," Steward said, describing his idea of a great pound-for-pound fighter. "How can you be pound-for-pound (best) when you don't want to fight the best?"

Mayweather, 30, was offered $8 million to fight Margarito some time back. Turned it down. Mayweather has scoffed at the idea of fighting Mosley. When asked about fighting Cotto, Mayweather refused to entertain the notion.

"This isn't Cotto's thing," Mayweather said, meaning he was on the call to talk about Hatton.

Arum has said that Mayweather will never fight Cotto because it's too dangerous of a fight for Mayweather.

Steward intimated that Mayweather needs to fight Cotto, as well as the others, if he wants to truly be boxing's pound-for-pound king. Steward noted that the welterweight division is the most talented in the sport today.

"To me, the guy that's out there who nobody may want to look at, I look at Miguel Cotto," said Steward, who trains one of the other welterweight champions, Kermit Cintron, but did not bring up his name. "Here is a guy who fought the best that he could at 140 (junior welterweight). And he whipped everybody. He's been knocked down, always finds a way to come back and win fights.

"Then moving up to 147 and fighting the best up here. Never dodges anyone."

Never runs from an opponent, either. To Steward, that's all Mayweather does; run from the best and avoid the best.

"You don't want to fight any of these guys and still you want to be considered the top welterweight when you won't even fight welterweights?" Steward said. "I just don't see it. I mean, you got people like Cotto who is out here fighting his (butt) off with the best.

"Great fighters like (Muhammad) Ali, he wouldn't have said, `Well, I don't want to fight this guy because he doesn't mean anything.' He fought everybody, went all over the world, fought all the best fighters in their countries. (Sugar Ray) Robinson did the same thing. Joe Louis. Those were great pound-for-pound fighters. I've never known a great fighter who picked and chose his fights."

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Obviously he hasn't heard of Roy Jones then.

Then emanuel should have been able to train a fighter that could beat him..

Roy Jones Jr. had less people to chose to fight from....granted he didn't fight them either but Floyd has numerous guys to chose from he could have 3 more fights and just destroy this notion that he's not a great fighter.


Floyd has beaten De la Hoya and Hatton and if he was to fight and beat 3 of the following: Cotto, Mosley, Margarito or Williams I would be all in favor of pairing him up with the likes of Ray Leonard.

Right now in my opinion Floyd deserves to be called Great but he isn't above guys like Duran, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, or Armstrong, Pep in P4P rankings.

The biggest thing Floyd hurt himself with was not unifying any weight class he has set foot in...it's a shame too, we all know he COULD do it but he hasn't even tried to, not once

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Originally Posted by Mar

Then emanuel should have been able to train a fighter that could beat him..

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Lol, so true. Too bad Cintron won't be the one for Manny.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Roy Jones Jr. had less people to chose to fight from....granted he didn't fight them either but Floyd has numerous guys to chose from he could have 3 more fights and just destroy this notion that he's not a great fighter.


Floyd has beaten De la Hoya and Hatton and if he was to fight and beat 3 of the following: Cotto, Mosley, Margarito or Williams I would be all in favor of pairing him up with the likes of Ray Leonard.

Right now in my opinion Floyd deserves to be called Great but he isn't above guys like Duran, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns, or Armstrong, Pep in P4P rankings.

The biggest thing Floyd hurt himself with was not unifying any weight class he has set foot in...it's a shame too, we all know he COULD do it but he hasn't even tried to, not once

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The second biggest thing Floyd does to hurt his case is self proclaiming his greatness. He's his own worst P.R. If he would let everyone else say it he would have a lot more people saying. When he says it we argue why he's not.

I think Emanuel is just angry that Mayweather is as good as he is without Emanuel's style... I mean Emanuel thought him and Roy Jones Jr. weren't ATG's because they don't throw the jab, he has always found reasons for these two to not be ATG's but I think he is full of shit. Personally, I think he is really good at training one type of fighter, but he isn't one of the best overall coaches ever in the sport.

I don't know about all time great yet, but i'm sure floyd isn't a g.o.a.t. for now all i can say is floyd is a great fighter that keeps his career controversial and open for fans to pick apart. if only he would let it all hang and just fight all of the welterweights instead of proclaiming retirement and flashing his money. I don't think floyd has the hunger of all time great, and i'm sure as hell he hasn't showed the courage and heart that g.o.a.t fighters have. floyd is talented but his fights compared to g.o.a.t fighters are just pretty basic. Nothing much to remember historically in his fights, most of them are sparring matches with lesser fighters.

Floyd is a great fighter but i think he needs to beat cotto to be ranked anywhere near a leonard or duran......

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Originally Posted by fin

Floyd is a great fighter but i think he needs to beat cotto to be ranked anywhere near a leonard or duran......

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Til that fight happened then it would be someone else, then someone else so on and so on....

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Originally Posted by fin

Floyd is a great fighter but i think he needs to beat cotto to be ranked anywhere near a leonard or duran......

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Til that fight happened then it would be someone else, then someone else so on and so on....

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Seriously. Since when is beating Miguel Cotto the measure of ATG status? Cotto's a good and entertaining fighter, but come on.

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Originally Posted by Mar

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Originally Posted by fin

Floyd is a great fighter but i think he needs to beat cotto to be ranked anywhere near a leonard or duran......

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Til that fight happened then it would be someone else, then someone else so on and so on....

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Seriously. Since when is beating Miguel Cotto the measure of ATG status? Cotto's a good and entertaining fighter, but come on.

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Dude,what the hell is wrong with you?Is Cotto not the best WW on the planet excpet for Floyd? So obviously a fight should be made.Jezz man.That's like Calzaghe not fighting Lacy or Kessler,he would have been hounded. You're usualy a good poster but that is a really silly response.

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

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Trainer Emanuel Steward, like Arum, is in the Hall of Fame. He doesn't understand all the fuss about Mayweather, either. In his mind, Mayweather has gone about avoiding all of the other true top welterweight fights.

Steward mentioned Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams and "Sugar" Shane Mosley as fighters Mayweather should be trying to fight, but won't.

"I think a guy who fights against the best competition, and has his performance against the best," Steward said, describing his idea of a great pound-for-pound fighter. "How can you be pound-for-pound (best) when you don't want to fight the best?"

Mayweather, 30, was offered $8 million to fight Margarito some time back. Turned it down. Mayweather has scoffed at the idea of fighting Mosley. When asked about fighting Cotto, Mayweather refused to entertain the notion.

"This isn't Cotto's thing," Mayweather said, meaning he was on the call to talk about Hatton.

Arum has said that Mayweather will never fight Cotto because it's too dangerous of a fight for Mayweather.

Steward intimated that Mayweather needs to fight Cotto, as well as the others, if he wants to truly be boxing's pound-for-pound king. Steward noted that the welterweight division is the most talented in the sport today.

"To me, the guy that's out there who nobody may want to look at, I look at Miguel Cotto," said Steward, who trains one of the other welterweight champions, Kermit Cintron, but did not bring up his name. "Here is a guy who fought the best that he could at 140 (junior welterweight). And he whipped everybody. He's been knocked down, always finds a way to come back and win fights.

"Then moving up to 147 and fighting the best up here. Never dodges anyone."

Never runs from an opponent, either. To Steward, that's all Mayweather does; run from the best and avoid the best.

"You don't want to fight any of these guys and still you want to be considered the top welterweight when you won't even fight welterweights?" Steward said. "I just don't see it. I mean, you got people like Cotto who is out here fighting his (butt) off with the best.

"Great fighters like (Muhammad) Ali, he wouldn't have said, `Well, I don't want to fight this guy because he doesn't mean anything.' He fought everybody, went all over the world, fought all the best fighters in their countries. (Sugar Ray) Robinson did the same thing. Joe Louis. Those were great pound-for-pound fighters. I've never known a great fighter who picked and chose his fights."

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Obviously he hasn't heard of Roy Jones then.

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Thats not really right, Im not stating anything on Floyd but at middle and supermiddle people ducked the crazy out of roy

And after Mclellan incident and only after that did roy start getting tough with his negotiations

It was always money, He didnt strait out say no i wont fight these guys, If they truely wanted to fight him all they had to do was bring the money because all it was with roy was the risk reward ratio, he wasnt going to risk his life unless he was getting the money he deserved..

if its werent for Gman vs Benn i bet that Roy would be all time p4p king.. But its no use shoulda woulda coulda'ing..

Well Look if he does not clear out welter divison meaning Cotto and Williams then he will alwasy be questioned. Oscar i give him the credit for because he was old but was in a much higher weight then Floyd. But Hatton well how is he a great welter when everyone in the world thought he was bad at the weight after the Colozo fight.

Won world titles in 5 different weight classes has win's over.

G.Hernandez
Ricky Hatton
Oscar De La Hoya
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales

How can he not be an ATG ??

WEll the thing is Corrals and Castillo are still question to be in the Hall of fame and Hatton and Oscar i give him credit. But with Hatton i would of like him to beat him at 140 which he could of with no prob so people would bring it up.

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

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Trainer Emanuel Steward, like Arum, is in the Hall of Fame. He doesn't understand all the fuss about Mayweather, either. In his mind, Mayweather has gone about avoiding all of the other true top welterweight fights.

Steward mentioned Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams and "Sugar" Shane Mosley as fighters Mayweather should be trying to fight, but won't.

"I think a guy who fights against the best competition, and has his performance against the best," Steward said, describing his idea of a great pound-for-pound fighter. "How can you be pound-for-pound (best) when you don't want to fight the best?"

Mayweather, 30, was offered $8 million to fight Margarito some time back. Turned it down. Mayweather has scoffed at the idea of fighting Mosley. When asked about fighting Cotto, Mayweather refused to entertain the notion.

"This isn't Cotto's thing," Mayweather said, meaning he was on the call to talk about Hatton.

Arum has said that Mayweather will never fight Cotto because it's too dangerous of a fight for Mayweather.

Steward intimated that Mayweather needs to fight Cotto, as well as the others, if he wants to truly be boxing's pound-for-pound king. Steward noted that the welterweight division is the most talented in the sport today.

"To me, the guy that's out there who nobody may want to look at, I look at Miguel Cotto," said Steward, who trains one of the other welterweight champions, Kermit Cintron, but did not bring up his name. "Here is a guy who fought the best that he could at 140 (junior welterweight). And he whipped everybody. He's been knocked down, always finds a way to come back and win fights.

"Then moving up to 147 and fighting the best up here. Never dodges anyone."

Never runs from an opponent, either. To Steward, that's all Mayweather does; run from the best and avoid the best.

"You don't want to fight any of these guys and still you want to be considered the top welterweight when you won't even fight welterweights?" Steward said. "I just don't see it. I mean, you got people like Cotto who is out here fighting his (butt) off with the best.

"Great fighters like (Muhammad) Ali, he wouldn't have said, `Well, I don't want to fight this guy because he doesn't mean anything.' He fought everybody, went all over the world, fought all the best fighters in their countries. (Sugar Ray) Robinson did the same thing. Joe Louis. Those were great pound-for-pound fighters. I've never known a great fighter who picked and chose his fights."

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Stewart is a freaking idiot!!


Cotto fought the best at 140???


Chop Chop Corley ???
Kelson Pinto ???
Urkal ???
Paul Malignaggi ???

Where's Ricky Hatton on that list? Where's Kostya Tszyu on that list?


Cotto aint fought the best at ANY weight class. Why the heck is Stewart hating on Mayweather?


Just by beating Hatton Mayweather has already stamped himself over Cotto.

Shane wasn't even the best at 147,


When Cotto fights and beats people like Margarito, Cintron, Williams and comes out on top then he will.

But as of right now, Cotto hasn't proven squat at the welterweight division.


The people he needs to beat at 147 are

Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Joshua Clottey


THEN he can say that he beat the welterweight division.

But im tired of all these people saying MAYWEATHER has to do all this crap, WHY DONT THE GUYS YOU TELL HIM TO FIGHT, FIGHT EACH OTHER???

Its as simple as that

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

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Trainer Emanuel Steward, like Arum, is in the Hall of Fame. He doesn't understand all the fuss about Mayweather, either. In his mind, Mayweather has gone about avoiding all of the other true top welterweight fights.

Steward mentioned Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams and "Sugar" Shane Mosley as fighters Mayweather should be trying to fight, but won't.

"I think a guy who fights against the best competition, and has his performance against the best," Steward said, describing his idea of a great pound-for-pound fighter. "How can you be pound-for-pound (best) when you don't want to fight the best?"

Mayweather, 30, was offered $8 million to fight Margarito some time back. Turned it down. Mayweather has scoffed at the idea of fighting Mosley. When asked about fighting Cotto, Mayweather refused to entertain the notion.

"This isn't Cotto's thing," Mayweather said, meaning he was on the call to talk about Hatton.

Arum has said that Mayweather will never fight Cotto because it's too dangerous of a fight for Mayweather.

Steward intimated that Mayweather needs to fight Cotto, as well as the others, if he wants to truly be boxing's pound-for-pound king. Steward noted that the welterweight division is the most talented in the sport today.

"To me, the guy that's out there who nobody may want to look at, I look at Miguel Cotto," said Steward, who trains one of the other welterweight champions, Kermit Cintron, but did not bring up his name. "Here is a guy who fought the best that he could at 140 (junior welterweight). And he whipped everybody. He's been knocked down, always finds a way to come back and win fights.

"Then moving up to 147 and fighting the best up here. Never dodges anyone."

Never runs from an opponent, either. To Steward, that's all Mayweather does; run from the best and avoid the best.

"You don't want to fight any of these guys and still you want to be considered the top welterweight when you won't even fight welterweights?" Steward said. "I just don't see it. I mean, you got people like Cotto who is out here fighting his (butt) off with the best.

"Great fighters like (Muhammad) Ali, he wouldn't have said, `Well, I don't want to fight this guy because he doesn't mean anything.' He fought everybody, went all over the world, fought all the best fighters in their countries. (Sugar Ray) Robinson did the same thing. Joe Louis. Those were great pound-for-pound fighters. I've never known a great fighter who picked and chose his fights."

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Stewart is a freaking idiot!!


Cotto fought the best at 140???


Chop Chop Corley ???
Kelson Pinto ???
Urkal ???
Paul Malignaggi ???

Where's Ricky Hatton on that list? Where's Kostya Tszyu on that list?


Cotto aint fought the best at ANY weight class. Why the heck is Stewart hating on Mayweather?


Just by beating Hatton Mayweather has already stamped himself over Cotto.

Shane wasn't even the best at 147,


When Cotto fights and beats people like Margarito, Cintron, Williams and comes out on top then he will.

But as of right now, Cotto hasn't proven squat at the welterweight division.


The people he needs to beat at 147 are

Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron
Antonio Margarito
Joshua Clottey


THEN he can say that he beat the welterweight division.

But im tired of all these people saying MAYWEATHER has to do all this crap, WHY DONT THE GUYS YOU TELL HIM TO FIGHT, FIGHT EACH OTHER???

Its as simple as that

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Agreed....

I respect the hell out of Steward, but he is proving that no matter how knowledgable you are, bias will distort truth and make you appear foolish.

Well Hatton Moved up adn Tyzu was not fighting anymore so that why he did not fight them and Shane is better win at Welter then all of PBF wins.

Stewart is still trying to live off the Hearns days. He trains people the same way and can not adapt. Tall with a good jab and straight right.

PBF is more of an all time great than Stewart.

As for PBF having no jab I suggest Stewart take a look at the 9th round.

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Originally Posted by shza

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Originally Posted by Mar

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Originally Posted by fin

Floyd is a great fighter but i think he needs to beat cotto to be ranked anywhere near a leonard or duran......

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Til that fight happened then it would be someone else, then someone else so on and so on....

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Seriously. Since when is beating Miguel Cotto the measure of ATG status? Cotto's a good and entertaining fighter, but come on.

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Dude,what the hell is wrong with you?Is Cotto not the best WW on the planet excpet for Floyd? So obviously a fight should be made.Jezz man.That's like Calzaghe not fighting Lacy or Kessler,he would have been hounded. You're usualy a good poster but that is a really silly response.

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I think you're misunderstanding me. To the extent Floyd fights again, I'm with you: a Cotto fight is the one I'd most like to see. But the idea that currently Floyd is not an ATG, but would suddenly become one by virtue of beating Miguel Cotto just strikes me as a little silly. Cotto would not be the best regarded fighter Floyd had ever beaten -- Corrales was The Ring's #3 p4p fighter, and a favorite against Floyd, at the time of that fight.

Hey was not that high on the list he is about the same as Cotto is right now Cotto has mutiple titles in division adn he has beating a ATG in Shane Mosley so i think he be the most regarded of PBF opponents because who else would be just to ask.

Hey and people saying Stewart only had Hearns what about Lewis top 10 heavy and Wald doing alot better to Stewert may have went a bit over but he is a good trainer and has good knowlage so do not go saying he does not know how to train fighters please.

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Hey was not that high on the list he is about the same as Cotto is right now Cotto has mutiple titles in division adn he has beating a ATG in Shane Mosley so i think he be the most regarded of PBF opponents because who else would be just to ask.

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Beating De La Hoya at 154 lb is every bit as much of an acheivement as beating Shane at 147 in my opinion. Considering Mosely and De La Hoya's careers, the titles they have won and the closeness of the fights between them it's really splitting hairs to say Mosely is a bigger win than Oscar or vice versa.

Both are HUGE wins against the two most proven fighters in those weight classes.

I was not talking about how much more Cotto has done compared to what Floyd has done all i said is that Cotto would be the best win a rank in the top ten and is unbeat and pretty much in prime but who know he improves alot with each fight.

If i had to rank PBF i would put him in the top 30 which i think is a fair place.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

If i had to rank PBF i would put him in the top 30 which i think is a fair place.

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Give me 29 boxers who rate higher.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henary Armstrong
Willie Pep
Harry Greb
Roberto Duran
Ricardo Lopaz
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Emile Griffith
Juilo Cesar Chavez
Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
Gene Tunney
Sugar Ray Leonard
Pernell Witaker
Tommy Hearns
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Carlos Monzon
Roy Jones Jr.
Wilfred Benitez
Sugar Shane Mosley
Tito Trinadad

All the guys i think are above PBf I have 23 guys so i guys i have PBf at 24 when i said top 30 i meant somwhere between 30 and 20 to clear that up. The list i have above is in so special order i just named the ones that i thought rank higher i could be wrong but if you can give me a reason for PBF to be higher go ahead.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

If i had to rank PBF i would put him in the top 30 which i think is a fair place.

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Give me 29 boxers who rate higher.

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So do you think Floyd is the greatest fighter of all time? Or are you asking just because you wanna see a list?

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henary Armstrong
Willie Pep
Harry Greb
Roberto Duran
Ricardo Lopaz
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Emile Griffith
Juilo Cesar Chavez
Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
Gene Tunney
Sugar Ray Leonard
Pernell Witaker
Tommy Hearns
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Carlos Monzon
Roy Jones Jr.
Wilfred Benitez
Sugar Shane Mosley
Tito Trinadad

All the guys i think are above PBf I have 23 guys so i guys i have PBf at 24 when i said top 30 i meant somwhere between 30 and 20 to clear that up. The list i have above is in so special order i just named the ones that i thought rank higher i could be wrong but if you can give me a reason for PBF to be higher go ahead.

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How the hell is Shane Mosley, Wilfred Benitez, Emile Griffith, higher than Floyd Mayweather ?? what did they accomplish more than Mayweather ??

Well what has Floyde acomplished better then them look at the names on his resume compared to them.

Sugar Shane consider one of the best Light weights o all time and his best win is over a Prime Oscar which also floyde best win also only a pas it Oscar. And i do not think the PBF would beat Winkey either and Forest would be a close fight so they are close to me.

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Well what has Floyde acomplished better then them look at the names on his resume compared to them.

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This isn't even worth discussing putting Benitez or Mosley higher than Mayweather is just insane.

Tell who has floyde beat that was way better then Shane and Benitez names and look at how good the competion was to.

He has a point. Obviously Floyd has no losses...but i like to look at the quality of a fighters wins. The best fighter Shane and Floyd have each fought was Oscar. Shane beat Oscar twice in his PRIME (and don't forget Shane was also coming up in weight in that first Oscar fight)...while Floyd beat a past prime Oscar. Floyd is a better skilled fighter than Shane...but Shane's resume is better than Floyd's. Does that mean Shane should be higher on the list than Floyd? Not neccessarly. But don't call the idea "insane".

Well tell my why Mayweather is over Mosley and Benitez they are close so i just gave them a benfit tell me why PBF is ahead of them ok.

Also Zubin i give you a cc i thank you for not calling me crazy that pretty rude and he did not even give examples.

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He has a point. Obviously Floyd has no losses...but i like to look at the quality of a fighters wins. The best fighter Shane and Floyd have each fought was Oscar. Shane beat Oscar twice in his PRIME (and don't forget Shane was also coming up in weight in that first Oscar fight)...while Floyd beat a past prime Oscar. Floyd is a better skilled fighter than Shane...but Shane's resume is better than Floyd's. Does that mean Shane should be higher on the list than Floyd? Not neccessarly. But don't call the idea "insane".

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I don't see how that work's considering Mosley got a gift decision in the 2nd ODLH fight.

Shane Mosley's Best Wins.

Luis Collazo
Fernando Vargas x2
ODLH x2
Wilfredo Rivera
Jesse James Leija
John John Molina
Philip Holiday

Lightweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, World champion.


Floyd Mayweather's Best Wins.

ODLH
Ricky Hatton
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales
Arturo Gatti
Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernadez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez

Superfeatherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, World Champion.

I think its pretty obvious.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Also Zubin i give you a cc i thank you for not calling me crazy that pretty rude and he did not even give examples.

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CC back at ya! People tend to get too riled up about the p4p discussion. I think each person can have a different criteria for what they consider makes an ATG fighter. Mine aren't just wins/losses and weight class belts (though those are important). I think quality the quality of your opposition is extremely important.