Use of the Forearm in boxing

Can you guys explain what is allowed and what isnt?

The reason i ask is i was sure Floyd fouling badly for long periods in his fight.

I mean holding is one thing, but shoving a forearm in someones face ??? I was suprised that Cortez didnt pick up on it.

It was a foul ridden match. Not surprised that one foul was missed but all night?

When i had quick look at this thread i thought it said, *Use Of The Foreman In Boxing* :-\

fine, tell Ricky not to use his head and shoulders, hold and hit, hold and hit behind the head, twist peoples arms.

oh wait that's right he wasn't allowed to like every other of his fights so people are bitching.

Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

I've not been a massive fan of either boxer but really ::**

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Originally Posted by Missy

fine, tell Ricky not to use his head and shoulders, hold and hit, hold and hit behind the head, twist peoples arms.

oh wait that's right he wasn't allowed to like every other of his fights so people are bitching.

Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

I've not been a massive fan of either boxer but really ::**

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Missy, i think you have twisted and turned me inside out. What are you saying girl ???

upside down, boy you turn me. 8)

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Originally Posted by Missy

fine, tell Ricky not to use his head and shoulders, hold and hit, hold and hit behind the head, twist peoples arms.

oh wait that's right he wasn't allowed to like every other of his fights so people are bitching.

Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

I've not been a massive fan of either boxer but really ::**

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Woooooooooo hold back, hold back. He asked what is the rule on the use of the forearm in boxing is. And...anymore of that eye rolling and us boys might just send you back to the kitchen Missy ;);D

It was a smart move, though I'm not sure if it was legal. Since it was obvious Ricky was going to fight inside and tried to stay real close, Floyd just shoved him a bit with his forearm/elbow to create a space for him to counter - simple but a smart move against inside offense.

Look Ricky went out to turn this into a brawl. He didnt want a boxing match, he wanted a dirty out and out toe to toe war. Mayweather gave him that and proved that he can brawl when he has to. Hatton himself admitted he was surprised by this and I must admit do was I.


I thought the one way to beat PBF was to push hi out of his comfort zone and get him into a wrestling match where the quality of his speed, reflexes and defence would be diminished. But credit to Floyd, bigger man or not, he stood toe to toe and came out on top.

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Originally Posted by Missy

fine, tell Ricky not to use his head and shoulders, hold and hit, hold and hit behind the head, twist peoples arms.

oh wait that's right he wasn't allowed to like every other of his fights so people are bitching.

Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

I've not been a massive fan of either boxer but really ::**

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lmao settle down,
Ok so if hatton wasn't allowed his "tactics" why was pbf- allowed to use the elbows? Mmm hmm
excessive use gets you penalized? how many rabbit punches did ricky attempt before the deductions
how many elbows were used before the pbf's deduction? Oh wait, thats right, there was none.

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Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

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Originally Posted by Irish Rover

Look Ricky went out to turn this into a brawl. He didnt want a boxing match, he wanted a dirty out and out toe to toe war. Mayweather gave him that and proved that he can brawl when he has to. Hatton himself admitted he was surprised by this and I must admit do was I.


I thought the one way to beat PBF was to push hi out of his comfort zone and get him into a wrestling match where the quality of his speed, reflexes and defence would be diminished. But credit to Floyd, bigger man or not, he stood toe to toe and came out on top.

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i also believe the fact that pbf was able to use this tactic and hatton was getting scolded like stealing cookies before dinner led to alot of hattons frustrations

I agree BIG :)

People who say Hatton wasn't able to use his style at all are full of shit, there were many points they fought his fight, and he was effective in a few of them, but most of the time Mayweather still got the better of it. I am pretty use the forarm is illegal, but Mayweather uses it sneakily so its harder for the ref to see, and he punches right after he uses it and usually the refs won't break it up, but Mayweather was cautioned as well all fight about hitting behind the head, fighting dirty, and using the elbow. Its not like Hatton was the only one who was being cautioned, I think Cortez is allowed to breaking up clinches because I am sure HBO didn't want this highly televised PPV to be a hug fest. However I feel Mayweather should have eventually gotten a point deducted, but the thing is, is that he uses that elbow and after he's cautioned he doesn't use it for awhile, and in that big of a fight when it happens 2 or 3 rounds later the ref might forget what happened earlier.

Can anybody get past the tit-tat and just tell me the freakin rules ???

I ask you, serioulsy...Was Joe Cortez right to let Floyd shove his arm in Hattons Chest/ Eye/ Ear like that?

Especially AFTER deducting a point off of Hatton for mearly throwing a right hander AFTER floyd was dipping riddiculously low AND turning his back.... Who turns their back on a fighter anyway ???

Also ::**

While i rememeber to ask...

Is it fair to pressume that if a fighter dips below waist level that it is illigal to punch as the only viable place to strike is on the back of the head?

Should it not then be the case that any fighter should not be permitted to contort to such unearthly disfiguremnet :D ??? :-\


..... Phhh! Im never gonna get anywhere with this question, i just know it ;D

Was Floyd hitting with his forearm though or just making a nuisance of himself with it. I mean yes his forarm was against rickys face numerous times in the clinch but can you really penalise for that?


Also Floyd didnt just turn his back, ricky pushed him backwards.

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

Can anybody get past the tit-tat and just tell me the freakin rules ???

I ask you, serioulsy...Was Joe Cortez right to let Floyd shove his arm in Hattons Chest/ Eye/ Ear like that?

Especially AFTER deducting a point off of Hatton for mearly throwing a right hander AFTER floyd was dipping riddiculously low AND turning his back.... Who turns their back on a fighter anyway ???

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You might wanna rename the thread "nevermind, I'll just talk to myself." ;D

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

Also ::**

While i rememeber to ask...

Is it fair to pressume that if a fighter dips below waist level that it is illigal to punch as the only viable place to strike is on the back of the head?

Should it not then be the case that any fighter should not be permitted to contort to such unearthly disfiguremnet :D ??? :-\


..... Phhh! Im never gonna get anywhere with this question, i just know it ;D

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You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.
You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.
You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).
You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage.
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.
When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal.
You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest.
If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count.
If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas.
A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
A boxer who is knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round, depending upon the local jurisdiction's rules.
A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. If s/he cannot continue after five minutes, s/he is considered knocked out.
If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified.
If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury.
If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no decision" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw."
If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted.
In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect.
In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.


These are the fouls if Floyd was merely holding his arms up then it was not a foul, it he was to strike Hatton with them it would be a foul.
What Floyd was doing IMO was in the gray area, basically he was holding them up to prevent Hatton from smothering him. As for the Rabbit
Punch that didn't land, I can't blame Cortez for deducting someone from even attempting to to Rabbit Punch someone on the outside of the ropes
those punches can cause permanent injuries and should not be taken lightly.

Summary: I didn't see Floyd strike Hatton with then forearm or elbow, I will definately have to rewatch it, but as I interpret the rules, holding your arms up if someone walks into it, it's not a foul, although it is dirty.

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

Can anybody get past the tit-tat and just tell me the freakin rules ???

I ask you, serioulsy...Was Joe Cortez right to let Floyd shove his arm in Hattons Chest/ Eye/ Ear like that?

Especially AFTER deducting a point off of Hatton for mearly throwing a right hander AFTER floyd was dipping riddiculously low AND turning his back.... Who turns their back on a fighter anyway ???

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You might wanna rename the thread "nevermind, I'll just talk to myself." ;D

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;D Hahaha! Mate, im having one of those moments...

CC, for makiing me LOL

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

Also ::**

While i rememeber to ask...

Is it fair to pressume that if a fighter dips below waist level that it is illigal to punch as the only viable place to strike is on the back of the head?

Should it not then be the case that any fighter should not be permitted to contort to such unearthly disfiguremnet :D ??? :-\


..... Phhh! Im never gonna get anywhere with this question, i just know it ;D

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You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.
You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.
You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).
You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage.
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.,
When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal.
You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest.
If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count.
If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas.
A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
A boxer who is knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round, depending upon the local jurisdiction's rules.
A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. If s/he cannot continue after five minutes, s/he is considered knocked out.
If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified.
If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury.
If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no decision" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw."
If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted.
In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect.
In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.


These are the fouls if Floyd was merely holding his arms up then it was not a foul, it he was to strike Hatton with them it would be a foul.
What Floyd was doing IMO was in the gray area, basically he was holding them up to prevent Hatton from smothering him. As for the Rabbit
Punch that didn't land, I can't blame Cortez for deducting someone from even attempting to to Rabbit Punch someone on the outside of the ropes
those punches can cause permanent injuries and should not be taken lightly.

Summary: I didn't see Floyd strike Hatton with then forearm or elbow, I will definately have to rewatch it, but as I interpret the rules, holding your arms up if someone walks into it, it's not a foul, although it is dirty.

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CC for that Killer. Thank you very much.

If these are correct then all i can say is Rules are Rules & loop-holes the same. Floyd is a genius.

Id be interested to see if there will be any other fighters who can exploit this (IMO) loop hole in the rule book. Plus, there is a whole nother issue on the ''or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line'' part. But i just cant be bothered now ;)

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

Also ::**

While i rememeber to ask...

Is it fair to pressume that if a fighter dips below waist level that it is illigal to punch as the only viable place to strike is on the back of the head?

Should it not then be the case that any fighter should not be permitted to contort to such unearthly disfiguremnet :D ??? :-\


..... Phhh! Im never gonna get anywhere with this question, i just know it ;D

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Yeh i'd actually like to know the proper answers to these questions.

No i'm not bitter by the way....you all know am a Hatton fan....but he just got beat, plain and simple.

Is Floyd defence bordering on illegal? Or is it the most effective way to avoid punches? Or is it both?

If it is legal (and i think it must be) then it is by far the most effective defence i have ever seen. There is basically no target to land a punch on.

And the use of the forearm is the perfect set up to land a lead right.....seriously Floyd has got everything.

According to Killersheep's source, it IS illigal to dip that low....

Therefore... am i right in saying that if a fighter dips like that, technically i can shove my forearm in his face and keep him there ???

;D

How silly :)

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

According to Killersheep's source, it IS illigal to dip that low....

Therefore... am i right in saying that if a fighter dips like that, technically i can shove my forearm in his face and keep him there ???
;D

How silly :)

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Are you planning on making an adult film? ;D

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

According to Killersheep's source, it IS illigal to dip that low....

Therefore... am i right in saying that if a fighter dips like that, technically i can shove my forearm in his face and keep him there ???
;D

How silly :)

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Are you planning on making an adult film? ;D

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:D Ive never referred to it as my forearm before. I fukin will now!! ;D LMAO!!!

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

According to Killersheep's source, it IS illigal to dip that low....

Therefore... am i right in saying that if a fighter dips like that, technically i can shove my forearm in his face and keep him there ???
;D

How silly :)

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Are you planning on making an adult film? ;D

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:D Ive never referred to it as my forearm before. I fukin will now!! ;D LMAO!!!

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Thank you magnum!! ROFL.

Was Floyd actually dipping below Hatton's waist line?

Come to think of it. Probably not.

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Come to think of it. Probably not.

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hmm

that makes it barely legal...

sounds like the ideal name for your adult film!

;D

What?! I need a permit for my Forearm now ???

Only kiddin ;D

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What?! I need a permit for my Forearm now ???

Only kiddin ;D

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While i rememeber to ask...

Is it fair to pressume that if a fighter dips below waist level that it is illigal to punch as the only viable place to strike is on the back of the head?

Should it not then be the case that any fighter should not be permitted to contort to such unearthly disfiguremnet :D ??? :-\


..... Phhh! Im never gonna get anywhere with this question, i just know it ;D

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Yeh i'd actually like to know the proper answers to these questions.

No i'm not bitter by the way....you all know am a Hatton fan....but he just got beat, plain and simple.

Is Floyd defence bordering on illegal? Or is it the most effective way to avoid punches? Or is it both?

If it is legal (and i think it must be) then it is by far the most effective defence i have ever seen. There is basically no target to land a punch on.

And the use of the forearm is the perfect set up to land a lead right.....seriously Floyd has got everything.

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it's clever if you bend to the waist line, you have little target unless the guy is real short and can land an uppercut, what usually happens is the other guys charges forward and leans on, in which case you can claim he was pushing you down, and/or the ref steps in and restarts.

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Originally Posted by Missy

fine, tell Ricky not to use his head and shoulders, hold and hit, hold and hit behind the head, twist peoples arms.

oh wait that's right he wasn't allowed to like every other of his fights so people are bitching.

Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

I've not been a massive fan of either boxer but really ::**

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Woooooooooo hold back, hold back. He asked what is the rule on the use of the forearm in boxing is. And...anymore of that eye rolling and us boys might just send you back to the kitchen Missy ;);D

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bite me Witter lover ;D

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Originally Posted by Missy

fine, tell Ricky not to use his head and shoulders, hold and hit, hold and hit behind the head, twist peoples arms.

oh wait that's right he wasn't allowed to like every other of his fights so people are bitching.

Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

I've not been a massive fan of either boxer but really ::**

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Woooooooooo hold back, hold back. He asked what is the rule on the use of the forearm in boxing is. And...anymore of that eye rolling and us boys might just send you back to the kitchen Missy ;);D

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bite me Witter lover ;D

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Sounds like wishful thinking to me ;)

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Was Floyd actually dipping below Hatton's waist line?

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What fight were you watching?

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Originally Posted by Missy

fine, tell Ricky not to use his head and shoulders, hold and hit, hold and hit behind the head, twist peoples arms.

oh wait that's right he wasn't allowed to like every other of his fights so people are bitching.

Excessive use of anything will get you penalised.

I've not been a massive fan of either boxer but really ::**

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Woooooooooo hold back, hold back. He asked what is the rule on the use of the forearm in boxing is. And...anymore of that eye rolling and us boys might just send you back to the kitchen Missy ;);D

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bite me Witter lover ;D

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Sounds like wishful thinking to me ;)

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you loving Witter? Possibly :-\

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Originally Posted by ono

Was Floyd actually dipping below Hatton's waist line?

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What fight were you watching?

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lol

i know he was dipping down but i take it his head would have to be below Hatton's waistline for it to be a foul. Take it it was then.

Jesus man the fight came on at at 5am. I was barely coherent. ;D

I dont even wanna say how many red bulls id drunk that night.

Let alone the amount of weed id smoked. Stange but highly effective combination.

Floyd only used it when Ricky was trying to tackle him. Seriously Hatton was looking to hold first then hit. Thats not boxing thats like MMA style, maybe Ricky trained to long at that MMA gym. Looked like he was trying to shoot in on Floyd.