roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

this Virgil Hill would beat the current Jones much the same way Tarver & Johnson did. Arrgghh...I hate seeing fighters lose to fighters they just would not have lost to in their prime. It is one of the saddest aspects of boxing. Look at Jones's KO ratio 36 wins 31 Ko's (after this fight) - the bloke could punch!! Oh, look at the size of Virgil compared to Jones - Blimey!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2P9izqEhtc

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the qestion i am asking who could have gave jones pound 4 pound problems

Joe Calzaghe

not saying he'd beat him......just answering the question.

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I suppose you mean all time.

Heres some matchups that are worth thinking about.

Foster @ Light Heavy
Archie @ Light Heavy
Hagler @ Middle
Calzaghe @ Super Middle
and the ever famous Dariusz match that never was.

would they have beat him. jones could see punches coming before his opponents knew they were going to punch lol


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Knock his ass off
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Jump stupid and Body Head gone deal with you
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So don't get me excited
The roof ain't on fire
But bet cha I'll get it lighted

I think Tarver would have given Jones problems in his prime. Not because Tarver is so good, but there is something about him that intimidated Jones. I don't know, maybe Tarver looks like his father or something.

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I suppose you mean all time.

Heres some matchups that are worth thinking about.

Foster @ Light Heavy
Archie @ Light Heavy
Hagler @ Middle
Calzaghe @ Super Middle
and the ever famous Dariusz match that never was.

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Foster @ Light Heavy = Jones by TKO

Archie @ Light Heavy = Jones by UD.

Hagler @ Middle = Jones by UD

Calzaghe @ Super Middle = Jones by UD Calzaghe would be dropped at some point in the fight with a straight right.

and the ever famous Dariusz match that never was. = Jones by comfortable UD.

Foster would beat Roy Jones Jr....power in the right cross and he threw with bad intentions

Gene Tunney he was too good to not give Roy problems

Ezzard Charles 175-heavyweight

Joe Walcott cruiser-heavyweight (and yes I know he never fought at cruiser because the division wasn't around then but he was around that weight class for the majority of his career)

Evander Holyfield at cruiser

A more seasoned Bernard Hopkins and a less weight drained James Toney

Michael Spinks 175-heavyweight

Roy was by no means "unbeatable"....Calzaghe may have given him a tough fight as his style is might awkward.

Benn and Eubank would have been tough, Collins, McClellan, Watson, Jackson....all those guys would have been tough

Bob Foster could punch with the best of em, but he wasn't on Jones' level IMO. I don't think he'd get the oppertunity to get one of his bombs in.

All time I go with Spinks and Archie Moore at LHW to beat Jones 9 out of 10....

At LHW Michael Moorer may have given Jones more then he could handle

obviously tarver did.

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Did u read the thread at all? The question was would anyone give Prime RJJ problems. Prime being around the time of the Hill fight(1998), before Roy went to HW. He fought Tarver and got beat in 2004.

Tarver would have given him some problems even in his prime, so would have Johnson. Jones would probably beat both but it would not be an easy fight with either guy.

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Tarver would have given him some problems even in his prime, so would have Johnson. Jones would probably beat both but it would not be an easy fight with either guy.

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Prime Jones would have either won a very lopsided points decision, or Ko'd Johnson or Tarver. Both those guys have not really set the world on fire other than beating shot RJJ.

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Tarver would have given him some problems even in his prime, so would have Johnson. Jones would probably beat both but it would not be an easy fight with either guy.

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Prime Jones would have either won a very lopsided points decision, or Ko'd Johnson or Tarver. Both those guys have not really set the world on fire other than beating shot RJJ.

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Maybe not set the world on fire but Johnson is always competitive and Tarver has a style that can beat Roy some of the time. Like I said Roy would probably beat both men but the thread is who could give him problems and I think both would prime vs. prime.

nigel benn i think would have given jones problems - i don;t think collins would have tho. perhaps eubank pre watson might have

Micheal Spinks vs Roy Jones jr- Late Tko for Micheal i think he had made power at LH i pick him over.
Micheal Moore vs Roy Jones jr- I pick him late Ko and if Micheal lands he will ko Roy.

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Micheal Spinks vs Roy Jones jr- Late Tko for Micheal i think he had made power at LH i pick him over.
Micheal Moore vs Roy Jones jr- I pick him late Ko and if Micheal lands he will ko Roy.

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Yet you haven't actually seen Moorer at Lightheavyweight plus his opposition was terrible. And Spinks wasn't a massive puncher he had 18 stoppage wins out of his 27 wins at Lightheavyweight.

At Middle or Super Midle Gerald McClellan had not only the power speed and skill to give Jones problems he also had a big Psychological edge.

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Joe Calzaghe

not saying he'd beat him......just answering the question.

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Never Calzaghe could'nt match a peak Jones he would have all on with Jones of today.

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Micheal Spinks vs Roy Jones jr- Late Tko for Micheal i think he had made power at LH i pick him over.
Micheal Moore vs Roy Jones jr- I pick him late Ko and if Micheal lands he will ko Roy.

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Yet you haven't actually seen Moorer at Lightheavyweight plus his opposition was terrible. And Spinks wasn't a massive puncher he had 18 stoppage wins out of his 27 wins at Lightheavyweight.

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BUt Spinks was a master boxer...the question was not who would KO Jones it was who would have given him problems...

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Micheal Spinks vs Roy Jones jr- Late Tko for Micheal i think he had made power at LH i pick him over.
Micheal Moore vs Roy Jones jr- I pick him late Ko and if Micheal lands he will ko Roy.

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Yet you haven't actually seen Moorer at Lightheavyweight plus his opposition was terrible. And Spinks wasn't a massive puncher he had 18 stoppage wins out of his 27 wins at Lightheavyweight.

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BUt Spinks was a master boxer...the question was not who would KO Jones it was who would have given him problems...

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Spinks was an awkward fighter, he would give Jones problems, but its hard to go against the Jones that beat Virgil Hill.

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Micheal Spinks vs Roy Jones jr- Late Tko for Micheal i think he had made power at LH i pick him over.
Micheal Moore vs Roy Jones jr- I pick him late Ko and if Micheal lands he will ko Roy.

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Yet you haven't actually seen Moorer at Lightheavyweight plus his opposition was terrible. And Spinks wasn't a massive puncher he had 18 stoppage wins out of his 27 wins at Lightheavyweight.

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BUt Spinks was a master boxer...the question was not who would KO Jones it was who would have given him problems...

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Spinks was an awkward fighter, he would give Jones problems, but its hard to go against the Jones that beat Virgil Hill.

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And agains a Master at his style and the way he came off in the ring....You talked about Moorer's comp at LHW but he hit P4P at LHW as hard as anyone in the game....You just refuse to acknowldge things like that

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Micheal Spinks vs Roy Jones jr- Late Tko for Micheal i think he had made power at LH i pick him over.
Micheal Moore vs Roy Jones jr- I pick him late Ko and if Micheal lands he will ko Roy.

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Yet you haven't actually seen Moorer at Lightheavyweight plus his opposition was terrible. And Spinks wasn't a massive puncher he had 18 stoppage wins out of his 27 wins at Lightheavyweight.

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BUt Spinks was a master boxer...the question was not who would KO Jones it was who would have given him problems...

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Spinks was an awkward fighter, he would give Jones problems, but its hard to go against the Jones that beat Virgil Hill.

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And agains a Master at his style and the way he came off in the ring....You talked about Moorer's comp at LHW but he hit P4P at LHW as hard as anyone in the game....You just refuse to acknowldge things like that

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He knocked out tomato can's, so we can't really say how hard he does hit because he never faced one good opponent at Lightheavyweight. Roy Jones had a high KO percentage at Lightheavyweight beating good quality fighters.

roy jones moved right up to heavyweight and hurt John Ruiz. i call that power?

If there was ever an unbeatable figher it was prime Roy Jones Jr., but I still see slick defensive fighters giving him a hard time, I think he was so used to hitting opponents so easily that guys like Montell Griffin gave him a hard time when he couldn't easily hit the target, in their first fight, now put Mayweather in there and he does everything way better than Montell, and I could see how this situation could be different, but once against Roy wasn't a natural 175pounder, and 160 or 168 was more his prime weights though he became his best IMO at the 175 in terms of countering, accuracy and timing. If he would have stayed at the lower weights there is nobody I could see beating him, guys like Mayweather he would probably overwhelm because at the lower weights he didn't mind not landing punches like against Toney, he just continued firing combinations and using lateral movement with a million punching angles(talking p4p for Mayweather-Jones). Leonard at middleweight wasn't as quick or strong, but his jab and slick movement would have made this interesting. If you are talking prime Hagler vs the Jones that fought Hopkins then Hagler would probably win, but if we are talking them fighting at 168 when Jones was at lhw then I say Hagler doesn't stand a chance. He wouldn't get blown out of the water but Jones would confuse him, and stagger him with punches that would come at times he would never except, this fight would look like Mayweather-Hatton but go 12 rounds. Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, were all good slick boxers, but they all would have lost to Jones. I think ezzard or Billy Conn had the best chance, but they still weren't quite good enough.

Archie Moore or Holyfield at Cruiser, Hagler, Robinson, or Michal Spinks or Dwight Muhammad Qawi, all woulda given Roy problems, maybe beaten him. I'd pick Roy to beat em all though. He's the greatest fighter who ever lived.

"They got the nerve to say I ain't never fought nobody"
"I just make em look like NOBODY"

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nigel benn i think would have given jones problems - i don;t think collins would have tho. perhaps eubank pre watson might have

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Is this guy on drugs?

Evander was unbeatable at Cruiserweight he would of killed Roy at the weight.

And for someone that said who would trouble Roy not knock Roy out well knocking him out is strugling and Spinks and Moorer would do it to him.

And yes i have seen Moorer at LHW he was a devasting puncher and beat everyone he had and 26 wins 26 kos he had power in him. Also Spinks had 26 wins and 19 kos so the which is not that bad of a Ko percentage considering roy had 21 fights 9 kos which is way lower and peopel said he had power at the weight. And Roy chin once he got caught did not go so well and Spinks has more power then Taver and Spinks could catch Roy at LHW during any time in his career so that is why i believe he coudl Ko him and if we are going 15 rounds it is even more likly to happen.

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And yes i have seen Moorer at LHW he was a devasting puncher and beat everyone he had and 26 wins 26 kos he had power in him. Also Spinks had 26 wins and 19 kos so the which is not that bad of a Ko percentage considering roy had 21 fights 9 kos which is way lower and peopel said he had power at the weight. And Roy chin once he got caught did not go so well and Spinks has more power then Taver and Spinks could catch Roy at LHW during any time in his career so that is why i believe he coudl Ko him and if we are going 15 rounds it is even more likly to happen.

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Moorer beat tomato can's at LHW plus what fights of Moorer's have you seen at LHW ?? and actually Tarver's KO percentage is identical to Spinks LHW KO ratio is it not ?? so there isn't that much difference in there power. And why do you keep bringing up Tarver fight all the time ?? that was Jones past his prime, when we are doing fantasy match ups we look at both fighters best performance's and the Jones that beat Virgil Hill was one of his best performance's at LHW so lets say that version of Jones vs Spinks.

Jones before he fought Ruiz had 15 fights at LHW, only 5 fighters when the distance and they were. Mike McCallum, Lou Del Valle, Reggie Johnson, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, David Telesco. All these fighters had solid chins and none of them have ever been stopped in there whole career except Telesco who was only stopped once by TKO in 8 to Julio Cesar Gonzalez, but other than that none of these guys had been stopped in there whole career so that just shows you how good there chins were.

ok who would have given jones problems?

leonard/jones 160lbs- i dont care who ya are leonard gives ya some problems.
spinks/jones at 175lbs- spinks gives jones too many problems and probably wins.
hagler/jones at 160lbs- jones gives hagler a fast paced 5 round workout before getting knocked out.
tommy hearns/jones at 160- jones gets sparked 5 out of 10 (hearns gets sparked the other 5 times) whata fight though.
and there are alot of others but i aint the time or mental capacity at the moment to really get into them all.
but i will end with this. someone who destroys roy ten out of ten at 175 is holyfield.

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ok who would have given jones problems?

leonard/jones 160lbs- i dont care who ya are leonard gives ya some problems.
spinks/jones at 175lbs- spinks gives jones too many problems and probably wins.
hagler/jones at 160lbs- jones gives hagler a fast paced 5 round workout before getting knocked out.
tommy hearns/jones at 160- jones gets sparked 5 out of 10 (hearns gets sparked the other 5 times) whata fight though.
and there are alot of others but i aint the time or mental capacity at the moment to really get into them all.
but i will end with this. someone who destroys roy ten out of ten at 175 is holyfield.

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SC. You even know who Roy Jones Jr. is?
Have you seen any of his fights besides his losses to Tarver and Johnson late in his career?
Gimme a break, Hagler knocks Roy fukin Jones Jr. OUT?! Yeah, right.

ive probably seen every roy jones fight starting with his fight against hopkins. i saw a guy who beat everyone he fought (BUT AT THE TIME HE WAS KING HE DID NOT HAVE HALF THE COMPETITION THAT CHAMPS LIKE HAGLER HAD) i dont blame roy for this but i dont think you can really even compare him to those guys. the competition just was not there. the middleweights of the eighties where on a totally different level then the nineties middles. so yeah i watched roys fights have you watched hagler fights? i suggest the hearns, mugabi,roldan,or hamsho fights.
these where tough cookies. and hagler broke down and destroyed them all. jones never really took it on the chin until the tarver fight (and sorry but he wasnt shot in the tarver fights because he never had a tough fight before them, he finally fought someone who wasnt totally intimidated bye his speed enough to try and land his own punches). hagler would be all over jones from round one and i dont think roy had the chin to survive hagler's pressure.

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ive probably seen every roy jones fight starting with his fight against hopkins. i saw a guy who beat everyone he fought (BUT AT THE TIME HE WAS KING HE DID NOT HAVE HALF THE COMPETITION THAT CHAMPS LIKE HAGLER HAD) i dont blame roy for this but i dont think you can really even compare him to those guys. the competition just was not there. the middleweights of the eighties where on a totally different level then the nineties middles. so yeah i watched roys fights have you watched hagler fights? i suggest the hearns, mugabi,roldan,or hamsho fights.
these where tough cookies. and hagler broke down and destroyed them all. jones never really took it on the chin until the tarver fight (and sorry but he wasnt shot in the tarver fights because he never had a tough fight before them, he finally fought someone who wasnt totally intimidated bye his speed enough to try and land his own punches). hagler would be all over jones from round one and i dont think roy had the chin to survive hagler's pressure.

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Fair enough. I still think you're wrong though bro. SC me back, I deserve it man. And I still think Roy makes the great , warrior, Marvin Hagler look foolish.

Jones would definitely beat Leonard while in his prime P4P and let's not forget that the Leonard that beat Hagler beat a fighter past his prime and Ray was nothing more than a blown up lightweight that left his best fight behind when he beat Hearns. Hearns had not matured as a fighter until he lost to Leonard and if he fought Jones who was a natural middle weight two things will materialize, Jones speed and the fact that his punches were so accurate. Let's not forget that Roy had trouble with lefties as far as Hagler is concerned, many people on this panel don't remember his Philadelphia wars. Jones never had one until Tarver. Someone mentioned the mongoose Archie Moore and I know Jones would have to be in super condition to meet a guy that had the knockout percentage Archie had as a lightheavy. It was over eighty percent even while he was defeated by some of his era's best heavyweight champs and fought Way into his forties. He was tough. Micheal Moorer was devastating yes but his opponents were not like the others just listed.

prime roy easily beats anybody in history..by either lopsided points, UD, or tko..the closest fight he had was a UD over bhop and that wasn't prime roy

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ive probably seen every roy jones fight starting with his fight against hopkins. i saw a guy who beat everyone he fought (BUT AT THE TIME HE WAS KING HE DID NOT HAVE HALF THE COMPETITION THAT CHAMPS LIKE HAGLER HAD) i dont blame roy for this but i dont think you can really even compare him to those guys. the competition just was not there. the middleweights of the eighties where on a totally different level then the nineties middles. so yeah i watched roys fights have you watched hagler fights? i suggest the hearns, mugabi,roldan,or hamsho fights.
these where tough cookies. and hagler broke down and destroyed them all. jones never really took it on the chin until the tarver fight (and sorry but he wasnt shot in the tarver fights because he never had a tough fight before them, he finally fought someone who wasnt totally intimidated bye his speed enough to try and land his own punches). hagler would be all over jones from round one and i dont think roy had the chin to survive hagler's pressure.

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What do you mean Jones didn't have competition ??

Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Bernard Hopkins
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Eric Harding
Montell Griffin
James Toney
Vinny Pazienza
Thomas Tate

Lets not forget that Leonard was far from prime and had a lay off and still beat Hagler and Hagler was not prime but closer then SRL was. And have you seen Roy at middle weight not the best fighter in the world SMW and LH were his better division i pick SRL that beat Hagler to beat the RJJ that beat Bernard but that just a thought. And no i do not think Roy beats every one pound for pound but he does beat a good amount of them. Besides SRL prime was at welterweight were he just as domainate as anyone else was who ever stepped into the boxing ring.

ok lets break down you list of jones "compitition"

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.


start comparing them to hagler's opponents and let me know what you think.

put them in matchups against hagler's opponents and tell me who would win.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan lol


get real jones was the best of the nineties BUT THATS IT!