Your opinion please on Daniel Ponce De Leon.

I havn't seen much of him and after watching the Escobedo fight he seemed to just go for the big shots and go for the K.O. much like Paul Smith and ended up with wild swings missing wheras Escobedo was picking his shots off but only on various occasions and Escobedo never kept the pressure up throughout the fight and towards the last few rounds was where he lost the fight IMO. I gave it to Ponce De Leon 115-113 in a close fight (Robert Hoyle's score card of 118-110 was a joke by the way) but I felt Daniel was sloppy and regardless of the KO of Bautista in one round he looked average in there on Saturday.

De Leon is a good fighter with a great chin and a wicked punch. He's power is his biggest asset. But that's about all he has. I can't see him beating the more skilled fighters like Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez

VD pretty much summed it all up....Hard hitter with a good chin but would get eaten alive by the elite of his division...Guys like Vazquez and Marquez would use him as a showcase....IMO he needs a bit more defense in his game and he will do much better

He wasnt possesed enough by the warrior spirit of his grandpa this last fight. He has about a 2 second wind up with his left bombs. He always has a punchers chance tho. He will get outpointed easy by Caballero, Vasquez, and Marquez IMO.

There is talk of Juan Manuel Lopez and de Leon going at it in the near future. Initially I though Lopez should get a few more fights under his belt. But after seeing de Leon against a boxer with a similar style to Lopez, I think Arum should make the fight happen. Lopez, who has great power, should be able to handle de Leon.

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There is talk of Juan Manuel Lopez and de Leon going at it in the near future. Initially I though Lopez should get a few more fights under his belt. But after seeing de Leon against a boxer with a similar style to Lopez, I think Arum should make the fight happen. Lopez, who has great power, should be able to handle de Leon.

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No. Escobedo (De Leon last opponent) was a little more experience than Lopez. He knew how to hold and clinch when De Leon got to close. I don't see Lopez possessing that trait. I think a fight with De Leon at this stage in Lopez career would be suicide. I'll be the Bautista fight all over.

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There is talk of Juan Manuel Lopez and de Leon going at it in the near future. Initially I though Lopez should get a few more fights under his belt. But after seeing de Leon against a boxer with a similar style to Lopez, I think Arum should make the fight happen. Lopez, who has great power, should be able to handle de Leon.

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No. Escobedo (De Leon last opponent) was a little more experience than Lopez. He knew how to hold and clinch when De Leon got to close. I don't see Lopez possessing that trait. I think a fight with De Leon at this stage in Lopez career would be suicide. I'll be the Bautista fight all over.

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I question how many fights you have seen of Lopez. The first time I saw him was at MSG on the undercard of Cotto-Abdullaev. I travelled to Mohegan Sun to watch him fight (and took a picture with him and he signed a boxing glove I bought) and I have seen many other bouts either live in P.R. or on television (Telefutura). Lopez has the same boxing ability as Escobedo AND more power. Escobedo would have won that fight if he had the power to do so. Lopez's power will make the difference. Trust me.

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There is talk of Juan Manuel Lopez and de Leon going at it in the near future. Initially I though Lopez should get a few more fights under his belt. But after seeing de Leon against a boxer with a similar style to Lopez, I think Arum should make the fight happen. Lopez, who has great power, should be able to handle de Leon.

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No. Escobedo (De Leon last opponent) was a little more experience than Lopez. He knew how to hold and clinch when De Leon got to close. I don't see Lopez possessing that trait. I think a fight with De Leon at this stage in Lopez career would be suicide. I'll be the Bautista fight all over.

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I question how many fights you have seen of Lopez. The first time I saw him was at MSG on the undercard of Cotto-Abdullaev. I travelled to Mohegan Sun to watch him fight (and took a picture with him and he signed a boxing glove I bought) and I have seen many other bouts either live in P.R. or on television (Telefutura). Lopez has the same boxing ability as Escobedo AND more power. Escobedo would have won that fight if he had the power to do so. Lopez's power will make the difference. Trust me.

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11. He's a great prospect. No doubt. But De Leon ain't no Hugo Dianzo (Lopez best opponent faced so far). And his power is something Lopez has never faced before. Can he handle it? The fact that you met him is probably more reason you want him to succeed. And there's nothing wrong with that (I met and hung out with Marshall Martinez plenty of times. And wanted him to do good. But he went to jail instead). But it shouldn't cloud your judgment. De Leon would be to much for Lopez right now

ponce is ok, he got some work needing to be done though. the power is there but everything else needs tuning up.

I'd be interested to see a Ponce v Caballero rematch to see if daniel has really improved or not. The winner of that fight could take on the winner of Vasquez v Marquez III.

Needs A LOT of work in the skills department.
The more skilled fighters would beat him BUT if they all decided to trade with him RMarquez, Vasquez, Caballero I really think he'd spark them out before they got him.

Not sure if people already know this but hes been nicknamed 'The Stone Thrower' (El Tirador De Piedras).

Damn, the other night Ponce looked like a smaller version of Feliciano, just sloppy but keeps coming, though he didn't take any big shots that I remember. ???

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Damn, the other night Ponce looked like a smaller version of Feliciano, just sloppy but keeps coming, though he didn't take any big shots that I remember. ???

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De Leon did eat a handful of shots from Escobedo his eye was swollen.

Yea I could barely even watch the fight. de leon was just so sloppy and all over the place. He won the fight though

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Damn, the other night Ponce looked like a smaller version of Feliciano, just sloppy but keeps coming, though he didn't take any big shots that I remember. ???

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De Leon did eat a handful of shots from Escobedo his eye was swollen.

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Thanks CMM, honestly I couldn't watch much of the fight, so I missed alot.

it seemed like if Ponce was giving too much respect to a fellow countryman Escobedo. Escobedo kept his head down way too much to protect himself from those chopping lefts from Ponce. Ref Bayless did a good job of recognizing it wasnt Ponce fault for almost dropping a left chop on Escobedo's back side. I do think he'll be ready for a fight where he comes out as an underdog or he fights someone outside his ethnicity. Then the hunger and rage will come out. HBO didnt even interview him

when i first heard about this guy he came with a big reputation, but evrytime i've seen him he's dissapointed me, he doesn't have much in the art of defence, throws wild shots and lacks ideas when he can't get the other guy out of there in 5 rounds, but he does have a solid chin and packs a good punch

He was very unimmpressive in his last fight imo. Escobedo was actually a better fighter imo. De Leons punches are way to wide and his defence is lacking. He is tough but is beatable at this level and unless he improves his winning streak will be ended soon enough. Caballero, Vasquez, and Marquez would all beat him imo.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Needs A LOT of work in the skills department.
The more skilled fighters would beat him BUT if they all decided to trade with him RMarquez, Vasquez, Caballero I really think he'd spark them out before they got him.

Not sure if people already know this but hes been nicknamed 'The Stone Thrower' (El Tirador De Piedras).

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Oh I agree. De Leon has a lot of flaws. But that punch is very wicked. And it's capable of bailing him out in fights he's losing. I can see him knocking them 3 fighters out if they decided to trade with him. Marquez and Vazquez would at the most risk since they also possess a big punch. And they like to show it. And that would be a problem against De Leon. But Marquez and Vazquez are both smart fighters. And I doubt they'll put themselves in that position.

De Leon proved to be one of those over-hyped power brutes waiting to be exposed, just like Darch and Barrios (I think Katsidis also falls in this department). I'm not sure about his chin either, maybe pretty good chin but super-duper chin? naw I doubt it cuz I saw him get hurt by Escobedo and Penalosa. As almost everyone sez here, it's obvious he needs some makeover to be able to stay out there.

one thing for sure he bored me to death on saturday

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one thing for sure he bored me to death on saturday

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I blame Escobedo for that

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Needs A LOT of work in the skills department.
The more skilled fighters would beat him BUT if they all decided to trade with him RMarquez, Vasquez, Caballero I really think he'd spark them out before they got him.

Not sure if people already know this but hes been nicknamed 'The Stone Thrower' (El Tirador De Piedras).

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Oh I agree. De Leon has a lot of flaws. But that punch is very wicked. And it's capable of bailing him out in fights he's losing. I can see him knocking them 3 fighters out if they decided to trade with him. Marquez and Vazquez would at the most risk since they also possess a big punch. And they like to show it. And that would be a problem against De Leon. But Marquez and Vazquez are both smart fighters. And I doubt they'll put themselves in that position.

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I thought escobado did well but de leon did enough to win the fight. I found it quite interesting because escobado was obviously more skilled and de leon the champ and i think he was stretched a bit but managed to pull it off for which he should get some credit. But CMM is right i think Marquez and Vasquez etc should be able to get on top but i guess it depends on how well De Leon adapts to their style.

I would Love to see Juan Manuel Lopez "Juanma" vs Ponce de LEon I think it would be a great matchup

Biggest Puncher in the division is probably Martinez now...(although i suspect he'll move up soon although he just broke into the top ten.)

De Leon's own punch is respectable, but he doesn't throw punches correctly and as a result doesn't benefit from his natural power as much as he potentially could.
Usually an exciting fighter, but can see limitations against a reasonably slick boxer with good movement.

I don't like him, I guess he's exciting to most people cause of his power but he's too sloppy, too much of a plodder, something about him I just don't like.

Should have been a Penalosa rematch, wouldn't mind seeing him in against Caballero again but I suspect his management doesn't want that.

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Biggest Puncher in the division is probably Martinez now...(although i suspect he'll move up soon although he just broke into the top ten.)

De Leon's own punch is respectable, but he doesn't throw punches correctly and as a result doesn't benefit from his natural power as much as he potentially could.
Usually an exciting fighter, but can see limitations against a reasonably slick boxer with good movement.

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I don't know about that bro,30 kos in 34 fights including plenty of 1 punch kos tells me he knows how to throw a KO punch.

Ponce is an exciting fighter and always dangerous....if you're standing right in front of him. If you're not,he looks HORRIBLE,throws the wildest roundhouse punches you'll ever see and actually turns from a power puncher into a volume puncher because he knows he can't land cleanly so he tries to overwhelm opponents he can't catch.

I consider myself a fan,I've seen about 1o of his fights and all have been exciting but keep him away from Molitor and Caballaro. Molitor's movement and Caballaro's height are too much for him,he admitted that after the Caballero fight and I think that is the ONLY guy Ponce does not want to fight.

Tough,strong,powerfuldetermined,big heart combined with awkward,wild,poor technique,awesome stamina and a good chin,oh and uber slow makes a great combination to watch!! ;D ;D

i ve heard alot about this fighter about him being a big puncher

but i was half impressed after watching him on the undercard of the hatton mayweather fight

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Needs A LOT of work in the skills department.
The more skilled fighters would beat him BUT if they all decided to trade with him RMarquez, Vasquez, Caballero I really think he'd spark them out before they got him.

Not sure if people already know this but hes been nicknamed 'The Stone Thrower' (El Tirador De Piedras).

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Oh I agree. De Leon has a lot of flaws. But that punch is very wicked. And it's capable of bailing him out in fights he's losing. I can see him knocking them 3 fighters out if they decided to trade with him. Marquez and Vazquez would at the most risk since they also possess a big punch. And they like to show it. And that would be a problem against De Leon. But Marquez and Vazquez are both smart fighters. And I doubt they'll put themselves in that position.

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Marquez and Vazquez are more experienced, but they will be right in front of De Leon. They will put themselves in position to get caught by de Leon's power punches. But also, they have the power to actually give de Leon second thoughts as opposed to Escobedo, who landed frequently, but with little power. Lopez boxing skills and power will make de Leon look silly. Still, Lopez should have a few more fights with quality opponents before giving de Leon a shot. Lopez has been brought a long well by Arum and he will soon be ready for that title shot. Watch.

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Needs A LOT of work in the skills department.
The more skilled fighters would beat him BUT if they all decided to trade with him RMarquez, Vasquez, Caballero I really think he'd spark them out before they got him.

Not sure if people already know this but hes been nicknamed 'The Stone Thrower' (El Tirador De Piedras).

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Oh I agree. De Leon has a lot of flaws. But that punch is very wicked. And it's capable of bailing him out in fights he's losing. I can see him knocking them 3 fighters out if they decided to trade with him. Marquez and Vazquez would at the most risk since they also possess a big punch. And they like to show it. And that would be a problem against De Leon. But Marquez and Vazquez are both smart fighters. And I doubt they'll put themselves in that position.

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Marquez and Vazquez are more experienced, but they will be right in front of De Leon. They will put themselves in position to get caught by de Leon's power punches. But also, they have the power to actually give de Leon second thoughts as opposed to Escobedo, who landed frequently, but with little power. Lopez boxing skills and power will make de Leon look silly. Still, Lopez should have a few more fights with quality opponents before giving de Leon a shot. Lopez has been brought a long well by Arum and he will soon be ready for that title shot. Watch.

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Yeah I agree. Lopez needs a couple of more fights before facing De Leon. He has the skills to beat De Leon. But does he have the chin? Bautista showed he didn't

When I first saw De Leon he banged some Thai guy straight out. He struck me as a man who was all punch and no defence. Lot like Mayorga but more reckless (if that's possible), but he was soooooo bad on the Floyd undercard.

Yeah he did look terrible on Saturday...sometimes that technique really amazed me. Didn't look like it was coming from a world champion! Just goes to show there really is so much more than technique that goes into boxing
Not a fan though.

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Yeah he did look terrible on Saturday...sometimes that technique really amazed me. Didn't look like it was coming from a world champion! Just goes to show there really is so much more than technique that goes into boxing
Not a fan though.

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On his day he can be as (strangely) exciting as Mayorga is (street-fighter like), but he'll trip himself up by not putting his gloves in the way of someones punch and instead swinging like he's brawling some meathead outside a night club. Entertaining nevertheless.

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Biggest Puncher in the division is probably Martinez now...(although i suspect he'll move up soon although he just broke into the top ten.)

De Leon's own punch is respectable, but he doesn't throw punches correctly and as a result doesn't benefit from his natural power as much as he potentially could.
Usually an exciting fighter, but can see limitations against a reasonably slick boxer with good movement.

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I don't know about that bro,30 kos in 34 fights including plenty of 1 punch kos tells me he knows how to throw a KO punch.

Ponce is an exciting fighter and always dangerous....if you're standing right in front of him. If you're not,he looks HORRIBLE,throws the wildest roundhouse punches you'll ever see and actually turns from a power puncher into a volume puncher because he knows he can't land cleanly so he tries to overwhelm opponents he can't catch.

I consider myself a fan,I've seen about 1o of his fights and all have been exciting but keep him away from Molitor and Caballaro. Molitor's movement and Caballaro's height are too much for him,he admitted that after the Caballero fight and I think that is the ONLY guy Ponce does not want to fight.

Tough,strong,powerfuldetermined,big heart combined with awkward,wild,poor technique,awesome stamina and a good chin,oh and uber slow makes a great combination to watch!! ;D ;D

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Well while I do agree Gamo, I just feel his physique would allow him to be even better should he decide to use his mind and mobility more.
Indeed adopting strategy in the ring would elongate his career and with the punch power he does have he could be a really good fighter.

His jab is both underestimated and underused and Id like him to concentrate more on ACCURATE combonation punching.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Biggest Puncher in the division is probably Martinez now...(although i suspect he'll move up soon although he just broke into the top ten.)

De Leon's own punch is respectable, but he doesn't throw punches correctly and as a result doesn't benefit from his natural power as much as he potentially could.
Usually an exciting fighter, but can see limitations against a reasonably slick boxer with good movement.

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You could say the same about Foreman, he had amazing power even though he was throwing arm punches.
Ponce de Leon has horrible technique, but he's got sheer will behind his punches, he may not be textbook
but he's defininately got some sauce on those punches. I definately agree with the other statement,
the slick boxer thing, that whole fight if he would have been firing right uppercuts he would have caught
Escabedo ducking and nighty night, but he couldn't figure that out.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Biggest Puncher in the division is probably Martinez now...(although i suspect he'll move up soon although he just broke into the top ten.)

De Leon's own punch is respectable, but he doesn't throw punches correctly and as a result doesn't benefit from his natural power as much as he potentially could.
Usually an exciting fighter, but can see limitations against a reasonably slick boxer with good movement.

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You could say the same about Foreman, he had amazing power even though he was throwing arm punches.
Ponce de Leon has horrible technique, but he's got sheer will behind his punches, he may not be textbook
but he's defininately got some sauce on those punches. I definately agree with the other statement,
the slick boxer thing, that whole fight if he would have been firing right uppercuts he would have caught
Escabedo ducking and nighty night, but he couldn't figure that out.

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Great Spot on Foreman, thats a belief I hold myself!

However it does seem to be working for him and i suppose with age comes maturity as it did for Barrera and Julio Caesar Chavez before him.