For those who say Floyd ducked Margarito...

I read that Danny G said we were left wanting with this fight. Honestly... who really wanted this fight? What has Margo ever done to warrant this fight being made? And what has he ever done to suggest he wouldn't be soundly beaten by Floyd? Tell me please, what Margo would bring to the table to give Floyd his first loss.

Fuck it, right now...I'm calling Floyd Mayweather out. If he doesn't answer within a week, he's ducking me because he knows I would beat the sorry crap outta him. ;)

He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

Is that good enough?

I am not a Tony fan so I don't even want to break it down. I will let Gamo kick you in the teeth with this one.

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He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

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He couldn't deal with Williams speed when Williams came in close so god knows how he'd deal with Floyd. Oscar had fast hands and decent power at 154 yet couldn't put a dent in Floyd. Margo can take a punch, but thats all that'll happen. he'll be taking punches on the way to a very wide 12 round UD. You can't hit what you can't see. He won't get anywhere near Floyd.

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He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

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He couldn't deal with Williams speed when Williams came in close so god knows how he'd deal with Floyd. Oscar had fast hands and decent power at 154 yet couldn't put a dent in Floyd. Margo can take a punch, but thats all that'll happen. he'll be taking punches on the way to a very wide 12 round UD. You can't hit what you can't see. He won't get anywhere near Floyd.

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It was more to do with the amount of punches, and the angles Williams was using on the inside that gave Margarito more trouble.

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He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

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He couldn't deal with Williams speed when Williams came in close so god knows how he'd deal with Floyd. Oscar had fast hands and decent power at 154 yet couldn't put a dent in Floyd. Margo can take a punch, but thats all that'll happen. he'll be taking punches on the way to a very wide 12 round UD. You can't hit what you can't see. He won't get anywhere near Floyd.

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I never realized Floyd was invisible. Williams and Floyd are two very different dynamics. Two completely different styles. Williams can outwork anyone and throws 2-3X the amount of punches Floyd does. Since Margarito did get outpointed by Williams though, he would have to lose to Mayweather right?

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I read that Danny G said we were left wanting with this fight. Honestly... who really wanted this fight? What has Margo ever done to warrant this fight being made? And what has he ever done to suggest he wouldn't be soundly beaten by Floyd? Tell me please, what Margo would bring to the table to give Floyd his first loss.

F*** it, right now...I'm calling Floyd Mayweather out. If he doesn't answer within a week, he's ducking me because he knows I would beat the sorry crap outta him. ;)

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Im Mayweather fan but im fair, there is loads of way's at looking at this. The offer was 8 Million, the most Mayweather would of got in his entire career. But Mayweather was also getting 8 Million for fighting Baldomir who was also legit Welterweight champion even if you hate to admit it, its true but Margarito also was also WBO Welterweight champion and had made 8 defenses i believe, and before anyone brings up his loss to Santos, that was at Lightmiddleweight and not Welterweight plus, the fight was stopped after accidental head butt and it went to the score cards and Margarito lost razor thin decision. Now Margarito was just coming off beating a hard hitting and respected name at that time Kermit Cintron and stopped him in good fashion. When Mayweather was asked about fighting Margarito in my mind when i see it, he did look a bit scared and was mumbling with his words. But it just depends on what way you look at it i think i was fair there considering i am Mayweather fan.

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He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

Is that good enough?

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He couldn't deal with Williams speed when Williams came in close so god knows how he'd deal with Floyd. Oscar had fast hands and decent power at 154 yet couldn't put a dent in Floyd. Margo can take a punch, but thats all that'll happen. he'll be taking punches on the way to a very wide 12 round UD. You can't hit what you can't see. He won't get anywhere near Floyd.

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I never realized Floyd was invisible. Williams and Floyd are two very different dynamics. Two completely different styles. Williams can outwork anyone and throws 2-3X the amount of punches Floyd does. Since Margarito did get outpointed by Williams though, he would have to lose to Mayweather right?

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I know they're different fighters, but I don't get what makes Margo qualified for the job. Tony doesn't have the speed to catch him and would spend the fight chasing a guy who has superior boxing skills.

I'm not a Floyd fan by the way, but I respect his skill.

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He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

Is that good enough?

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He couldn't deal with Williams speed when Williams came in close so god knows how he'd deal with Floyd. Oscar had fast hands and decent power at 154 yet couldn't put a dent in Floyd. Margo can take a punch, but thats all that'll happen. he'll be taking punches on the way to a very wide 12 round UD. You can't hit what you can't see. He won't get anywhere near Floyd.

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I never realized Floyd was invisible. Williams and Floyd are two very different dynamics. Two completely different styles. Williams can outwork anyone and throws 2-3X the amount of punches Floyd does. Since Margarito did get outpointed by Williams though, he would have to lose to Mayweather right?

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I know they're different fighters, but I don't get what makes Margo qualified for the job. Tony doesn't have the speed to catch him and would spend the fight chasing a guy who has superior boxing skills.

I'm not a Floyd fan by the way, but I respect his skill.

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I respect his skill also. I also know that Margarito has just enough height and reach that Mayweather will in his punching range more often than vise versa.

There was another thread in here with people saying that Mayweather should not fight Pavlik as he is just too big and powerful. I say Margarito could potentially offer up the same advantages as Pavlik does. He is a natural Welterweight and has a huge size and power advantage over Floyd. Would it be enough to beat Mayweather? I don't know. I do know that Mayweather has shown a preference to fight smaller guys for some reason.

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He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

Is that good enough?

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He couldn't deal with Williams speed when Williams came in close so god knows how he'd deal with Floyd. Oscar had fast hands and decent power at 154 yet couldn't put a dent in Floyd. Margo can take a punch, but thats all that'll happen. he'll be taking punches on the way to a very wide 12 round UD. You can't hit what you can't see. He won't get anywhere near Floyd.

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I never realized Floyd was invisible. Williams and Floyd are two very different dynamics. Two completely different styles. Williams can outwork anyone and throws 2-3X the amount of punches Floyd does. Since Margarito did get outpointed by Williams though, he would have to lose to Mayweather right?

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I know they're different fighters, but I don't get what makes Margo qualified for the job. Tony doesn't have the speed to catch him and would spend the fight chasing a guy who has superior boxing skills.

I'm not a Floyd fan by the way, but I respect his skill.

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Margarito may be a limited fighter in some regards but he is and in the minds of the knowledgeble always has been a far bigger threat to Floyd than Ricky Hatton was.

Margarito is a beast and trust when I say this. Hatton would not last 5 rounds with Margarito.

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I read that Danny G said we were left wanting with this fight. Honestly... who really wanted this fight? What has Margo ever done to warrant this fight being made? And what has he ever done to suggest he wouldn't be soundly beaten by Floyd? Tell me please, what Margo would bring to the table to give Floyd his first loss.

F*** it, right now...I'm calling Floyd Mayweather out. If he doesn't answer within a week, he's ducking me because he knows I would beat the sorry crap outta him. ;)

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Ugh, why did you have to bring this up again? This only lends credence to the Floyd haters. Margo was calling out Floyd well before he ventured into the welterweight division. The truth of it is it's not just about 2 guys fighting. Margarito was a champion who nobody knew. Mayweather would have done ALL the heavylifting and even had Margarito lost he would have been a lot more famous than he was before they fought.

The way I remember this was that Tony called out Floyd and Arum offered Floyd $ 8 Million Dollars. This was way before Baldomir came into the picture. And Floyd peed on himself and he came up with this who is Tony bullshiet and so all of his little fan boys began saying the same thing and yet they all knew who Tony was unless they don't watch boxing at all. Long story short... This would be Floyd's biggest payday and he was afraid. Suddenly the term "If it makes money, it makes sense" was thrown out the window. Everyone wanted to see this fight except those Floyd fans who were afraid to see Floyd lose. (Even his fans were afraid) So Floyd went around contradicting himself back and forth and talking about he was not here to fight the best that he was in it for the money etc. Then Baldo came into the picture and Floyd was all over this fight to face an old Barney Rubble clone of a man. Although Floyd is a risk taker, he is not an idiot risk taker and from the looks of things he never will be which leads me to believe he will not be fighting any of the Welters we want to see him fight.

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He would bring a combination of considerable Height and Reach advantage, along with accuracy and more two fisted punching power than Floyd has ever faced. He is also as tough as nails.

Is that good enough?

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He couldn't deal with Williams speed when Williams came in close so god knows how he'd deal with Floyd. Oscar had fast hands and decent power at 154 yet couldn't put a dent in Floyd. Margo can take a punch, but thats all that'll happen. he'll be taking punches on the way to a very wide 12 round UD. You can't hit what you can't see. He won't get anywhere near Floyd.

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I never realized Floyd was invisible. Williams and Floyd are two very different dynamics. Two completely different styles. Williams can outwork anyone and throws 2-3X the amount of punches Floyd does. Since Margarito did get outpointed by Williams though, he would have to lose to Mayweather right?

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I know they're different fighters, but I don't get what makes Margo qualified for the job. Tony doesn't have the speed to catch him and would spend the fight chasing a guy who has superior boxing skills.

I'm not a Floyd fan by the way, but I respect his skill.

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I respect his skill also. I also know that Margarito has just enough height and reach that Mayweather will in his punching range more often than vise versa.

There was another thread in here with people saying that Mayweather should not fight Pavlik as he is just too big and powerful. I say Margarito could potentially offer up the same advantages as Pavlik does. He is a natural Welterweight and has a huge size and power advantage over Floyd. Would it be enough to beat Mayweather? I don't know. I do know that Mayweather has shown a preference to fight smaller guys for some reason.

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Doubt Margarito has a huge power advantage, he does have an advantage, but no more in height and power than De La Hoya had. IMO Maragrito would be an easy fight for Floyd. Eventually if you go up the divisions you'll reach guys who could overwhelm Floyd with power, I'd Definitely put Pavlik in that category as most would, and would rate PBF the greatest fighter in history if he could pull off a legitimate win against him, dull or not.

Floyd has already proven that fighters with pisspoor defense will get dissected, no matter how much heart they have (Gatti, Corrales). The fighter I see being most problematic for Mayweather is Paul Williams because of his size and workrate and if he matched up right now with Cotto and beat him I'd say he has the chutzpah to call Mayweather out. The only other fight out there right now for PBF is Cotto.

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The way I remember this was that Tony called out Floyd and Arum offered Floyd $ 8 Million Dollars. This was way before Baldomir came into the picture. And Floyd peed on himself and he came up with this who is Tony bullshiet and so all of his little fan boys began saying the same thing and yet they all knew who Tony was unless they don't watch boxing at all. Long story short... This would be Floyd's biggest payday and he was afraid. Suddenly the term "If it makes money, it makes sense" was thrown out the window. Everyone wanted to see this fight except those Floyd fans who were afraid to see Floyd lose. (Even his fans were afraid) So Floyd went around contradicting himself back and forth and talking about he was not here to fight the best that he was in it for the money etc. Then Baldo came into the picture and Floyd was all over this fight to face an old Barney Rubble clone of a man. Although Floyd is a risk taker, he is not an idiot risk taker and from the looks of things he never will be which leads me to believe he will not be fighting any of the Welters we want to see him fight.

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Man I am going to give you not one, but two CC's for this, but you are gonna get another one tomorrow!LOL

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I read that Danny G said we were left wanting with this fight. Honestly... who really wanted this fight? What has Margo ever done to warrant this fight being made? And what has he ever done to suggest he wouldn't be soundly beaten by Floyd? Tell me please, what Margo would bring to the table to give Floyd his first loss.

F*** it, right now...I'm calling Floyd Mayweather out. If he doesn't answer within a week, he's ducking me because he knows I would beat the sorry crap outta him. ;)

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Ugh, why did you have to bring this up again? This only lends credence to the Floyd haters. Margo was calling out Floyd well before he ventured into the welterweight division. The truth of it is it's not just about 2 guys fighting. Margarito was a champion who nobody knew. Mayweather would have done ALL the heavylifting and even had Margarito lost he would have been a lot more famous than he was before they fought.

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I saw it mentioned in another thread and the topic gripes at me somewhat.

Is Margarito anywhere NEAR a p4p list? I think I read on here that at the time when they fought, Corrales was #3. The Most Feared is a self-appointed title. Clottey certainly didn't look afraid when he was slapping Margarito around handily in the first few rounds (he lost, though, I'm not making any issue out of that for whatever the reason was) and Williams certainly wasn't too ruffled. Everything about Margarito is rehash for Mayweather. To think that he is some magical combination of things that DON'T WORK is ridiculous. Once again, not fighting Margarito had more to do with money and visibility. The $8 million rumor put forth by Bob Arum is just a rumor. Bob Arum is still steaming that his #1 horse fled the stable and will do whatever he can to either turn a buck on him or discredit him. Notice how much more visible Tony got after the allegation that Mayweather was offered a ton of cash to fight him. He was a watered down version of a champ who took the path of least resistance to get to lease-regarded title and The Most Feared lost out on his heftiest paydate (Cotto) by accusing Mayweather of ducking and being forced to fight the unknown Paul Williams and losing. Now Arum will use him to build up the other welters in his stable; pimping him out as a tough-as-nails GATEKEEPER.

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Is Margarito anywhere NEAR a p4p list? I think I read on here that at the time when they fought, Corrales was #3. The Most Feared is a self-appointed title. Clottey certainly didn't look afraid when he was slapping Margarito around handily in the first few rounds (he lost, though, I'm not making any issue out of that for whatever the reason was) and Williams certainly wasn't too ruffled. Everything about Margarito is rehash for Mayweather. To think that he is some magical combination of things that DON'T WORK is ridiculous. Once again, not fighting Margarito had more to do with money and visibility. The $8 million rumor put forth by Bob Arum is just a rumor. Bob Arum is still steaming that his #1 horse fled the stable and will do whatever he can to either turn a buck on him or discredit him. Notice how much more visible Tony got after the allegation that Mayweather was offered a ton of cash to fight him. He was a watered down version of a champ who took the path of least resistance to get to lease-regarded title and The Most Feared lost out on his heftiest paydate (Cotto) by accusing Mayweather of ducking and being forced to fight the unknown Paul Williams and losing. Now Arum will use him to build up the other welters in his stable; pimping him out as a tough-as-nails GATEKEEPER.

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Uuuh, that's harsh.

Here is the thing with Mayweather and there is no getting around it.

He claims to be the Undisputed Welterweight Champion yet the only WW champion he has beat is Baldomir. Who is frankly one of the worst champions in WW history who was lucky to catch Judah in an off night. And Judah ain't that great to begin with.

I respect Floyd but this is the plain truth and there is nothing any of his fans can say to change that.

And who has Margarito beaten? Cintron?

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Here is the thing with Mayweather and there is no getting around it.

He claims to be the Undisputed Welterweight Champion yet the only WW champion he has beat is Baldomir. Who is frankly one of the worst champions in WW history who was lucky to catch Judah in an off night. And Judah ain't that great to begin with.

I respect Floyd but this is the plain truth and there is nothing any of his fans can say to change that.

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I'd submit that Judah had an off night because he stepped in the ring with a superior fighter. He looked like vintage Zab for the first few rounds.

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Here is the thing with Mayweather and there is no getting around it.

He claims to be the Undisputed Welterweight Champion yet the only WW champion he has beat is Baldomir. Who is frankly one of the worst champions in WW history who was lucky to catch Judah in an off night. And Judah ain't that great to begin with.

I respect Floyd but this is the plain truth and there is nothing any of his fans can say to change that.

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I'd submit that Judah had an off night because he stepped in the ring with a superior fighter. He looked like vintage Zab for the first few rounds.

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Regardless, it does not change what I said. I have nothing but respect for what Baldomir acomplished at that point in his career, but I still consider him one of the worst champions in WW history.

I have nothing but respect for Floyd and what he has acomplished. But I stand by what I said.

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Here is the thing with Mayweather and there is no getting around it.

He claims to be the Undisputed Welterweight Champion yet the only WW champion he has beat is Baldomir. Who is frankly one of the worst champions in WW history who was lucky to catch Judah in an off night. And Judah ain't that great to begin with.

I respect Floyd but this is the plain truth and there is nothing any of his fans can say to change that.

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I'd submit that Judah had an off night because he stepped in the ring with a superior fighter. He looked like vintage Zab for the first few rounds.

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Zab always looks good for the first few rounds.

I don't want to get flamed here by Tony fans but he basically has a punchers chance at best.

Maybe has shown that he can deal with a strength and power disadvantage so bang goes Margarito's physical advantages.....

So basically it comes to down to skill and technique

Floyd is pretty much the perfect fighter.

Margarito is far from the perfect fighter.

Therefore....by my reckoning, he has a punchers chance.

Let's no get over excited. It doesn't matter who Margarito had beaten.By consensu,he was number 1 or 2 WW in the world at the time. Who had Hatton beaten at WW to get a shot at the lineal WW title? That's the first point and the second point is,Margarito would have done a lot better than Hatton. You can look at it any way you want.

It doesn't matter who you thought would have won.Floyd was offered $8million for a fight he did not take,yet he fought Judah for less the previous fight and Judah was coming off a loss. Anyone calling Margarito a gate keeper knows nothing about boxing.End of.There's disliking a fighter which I can understand but a gatekeeper/journeymen etc shows a COMPLETE lack of knowledge.

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The way I remember this was that Tony called out Floyd and Arum offered Floyd $ 8 Million Dollars. This was way before Baldomir came into the picture. And Floyd peed on himself and he came up with this who is Tony bullshiet and so all of his little fan boys began saying the same thing and yet they all knew who Tony was unless they don't watch boxing at all. Long story short... This would be Floyd's biggest payday and he was afraid. Suddenly the term "If it makes money, it makes sense" was thrown out the window. Everyone wanted to see this fight except those Floyd fans who were afraid to see Floyd lose. (Even his fans were afraid) So Floyd went around contradicting himself back and forth and talking about he was not here to fight the best that he was in it for the money etc. Then Baldo came into the picture and Floyd was all over this fight to face an old Barney Rubble clone of a man. Although Floyd is a risk taker, he is not an idiot risk taker and from the looks of things he never will be which leads me to believe he will not be fighting any of the Welters we want to see him fight.

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Although I'll think he'll eventually fight Cotto,I agree with the rest. It's no diss or kick with Foyd. I don't hate Floyd but he did what he did,avoided a career best payday because he knew Tony was a high risk fight. That's fair enough.

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I don't want to get flamed here by Tony fans but he basically has a punchers chance at best.

Maybe has shown that he can deal with a strength and power disadvantage so bang goes Margarito's physical advantages.....

So basically it comes to down to skill and technique

Floyd is pretty much the perfect fighter.

Margarito is far from the perfect fighter.

Therefore....by my reckoning, he has a punchers chance.

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That's not the issue. The issue is whether Floyd ducked Tony or not,not who you think would win.

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Let's no get over excited. It doesn't matter who Margarito had beaten.By consensu,he was number 1 or 2 WW in the world at the time. Who had Hatton beaten at WW to get a shot at the lineal WW title? That's the first point and the second point is,Margarito would have done a lot better than Hatton. You can look at it any way you want.

It doesn't matter who you thought would have won.Floyd was offered $8million for a fight he did not take,yet he fought Judah for less the previous fight and Judah was coming off a loss. Anyone calling Margarito a gate keeper knows nothing about boxing.End of.There's disliking a fighter which I can understand but a gatekeeper/journeymen etc shows a COMPLETE lack of knowledge.

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The way I remember this was that Tony called out Floyd and Arum offered Floyd $ 8 Million Dollars. This was way before Baldomir came into the picture. And Floyd peed on himself and he came up with this who is Tony bullshiet and so all of his little fan boys began saying the same thing and yet they all knew who Tony was unless they don't watch boxing at all. Long story short... This would be Floyd's biggest payday and he was afraid. Suddenly the term "If it makes money, it makes sense" was thrown out the window. Everyone wanted to see this fight except those Floyd fans who were afraid to see Floyd lose. (Even his fans were afraid) So Floyd went around contradicting himself back and forth and talking about he was not here to fight the best that he was in it for the money etc. Then Baldo came into the picture and Floyd was all over this fight to face an old Barney Rubble clone of a man. Although Floyd is a risk taker, he is not an idiot risk taker and from the looks of things he never will be which leads me to believe he will not be fighting any of the Welters we want to see him fight.

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Although I'll think he'll eventually fight Cotto,I agree with the rest. It's no diss or kick with Foyd. I don't hate Floyd but he did what he did,avoided a career best payday because he knew Tony was a high risk fight. That's fair enough.

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I don't want to get flamed here by Tony fans but he basically has a punchers chance at best.

Maybe has shown that he can deal with a strength and power disadvantage so bang goes Margarito's physical advantages.....

So basically it comes to down to skill and technique

Floyd is pretty much the perfect fighter.

Margarito is far from the perfect fighter.

Therefore....by my reckoning, he has a punchers chance.

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That's not the issue. The issue is whether Floyd ducked Tony or not,not who you think would win.

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Oh yeah

I jumped right into that one

Sorry mate

It's ironic that a Hatton fan made this thread. Margarito has more of a chance at WW than Hatton EVER had. Margarito is more proven at the weight.And IF/WHEN Tony gets a shot at Cotto/PW again and is top 3 at WW again,people calling him gate keeper,journeymen are going to look even more idiotic.

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It's ironic that a Hatton fan made this thread. Margarito has more of a chance at WW than Hatton EVER had. Margarito is more proven at the weight.And IF/WHEN Tony gets a shot at Cotto/PW again and is top 3 at WW again,people calling him gate keeper,journeymen are going to look even more idiotic.

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Well if he was a gatekeeper, i wouldn't like to be an up and coming welterweight.

When i thikn gatekeep and journeyman i think of Ben Tackie and Howard Eastman etc...

Margarito is a world class fighter. Big difference.