Looking back at old controversial fights (Season 2) DLH-Trinidad

OK, time to start this up again.

This thread is about going back and scoring old controversial fights round-by-round.

Just like the first time we did this thread, the rules are very simple:
There is only one rule, DON'T POST IN HERE WITH AN OPINION UNLESS YOU HAVE AN EXACT ROUND-BY-ROUND SCORECARD TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT.

Feel free to go back to this thread to see how it's done:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,41548.0.html

The fights we looked at last time were:
Morales-Barrera I
Lewis-Holyifeld I
Whitaker-De La Hoya
Leonard-Hagler
Mayweather-Castillo I
De La Hoya-Quartey
Whitaker-Chavez
Taylor-Hopkins I
Pacquiao-Marquez
Vargas-Wright
Jones-Tarver I

I will make a point to try to select fights that are available on youtube. If not, we'll try to find a download link.

I will be posting the first fight momentarily.....

September 18, 1999- Las Vegas, Nevada
Oscar De La Hoya (31-0, 25 KO) vs. Felix Trinidad (35-0, 30 KO). At stake were De La Hoya's WBC Title and Trinidad's IBF Title.

Here is the link to Part 1 of the fight on youtube. You can link to the remaining parts from there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTbeEwuigpI

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

September 18, 1999- Las Vegas, Nevada
Oscar De La Hoya (31-0, 25 KO) vs. Felix Trinidad (35-0, 30 KO). At stake were De La Hoya's WBC Title and Trinidad's IBF Title.

Here is the link to Part 1 of the fight on youtube. You can link to the remaining parts from there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTbeEwuigpI

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No explosion in the first round at all, I give it too Tito for being the aggressor, everytime De La Hoya through a punch or even faked like he was throwing a punch the crowd would cheer and the announcers would exaggerate the punch, De La Hoya had alot of star power

Lampley: "Hard right Hand by De AL Hoya" JAJAJAJAJA OMG he is on drugs

Well i changed my scorecard slightly.


1 Tito
2 Oscar
3 Oscar
4 Tito
5 Oscar
6 Oscar
7 Oscar
8 Oscar
9 Tito
10 Tito
11Tito
12 Tito

114-114

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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker

Well i changed my scorecard slightly.


1 Tito
2 Oscar
3 Oscar
4 Tito
5 Oscar
6 Oscar
7 Oscar
8 Oscar
9 Tito
10 Tito
11Tito
12 Tito

114-114

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CC dude. I disagree lightly because I gave Tito 7-5, but I am so proud that you did not fall into that bullshit that Oscar won the first 9 rounds (many commercial boxing fans)

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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker

Well i changed my scorecard slightly.


1 Tito
2 Oscar
3 Oscar
4 Tito
5 Oscar
6 Oscar
7 Oscar
8 Oscar
9 Tito
10 Tito
11Tito
12 Tito

114-114

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CC dude. I disagree lightly because I gave Tito 7-5, but I am so proud that you did not fall into that bullshit that Oscar won the first 9 rounds (many commercial boxing fans)

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I take no notice of the Commentary bro, the 2nd round was close i could easily see Tito getting that one, but CC back bro.

Finally we can Agree that this fight wasn't a landslide like some say. ;)

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Originally Posted by Puya

Finally we can Agree that this fight wasn't a landslide like some say. ;)

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I think its impossible to be a landslide. Because without a doubt Tito won last 3 rounds comfortably and he at least won 3 out of the 1st 9 rounds.

I made a thread on this fight where I was not trying to say who won, just trying to show that this fight was not a landslide and was not a robbery. It was a damn clost fight with some really close rounds.

I also gave the seccond round to Tito but had the first round even so that makes it 115-114 for Tito. I have no problem with one point eather way though.

At first I had this fight 115-113 DLH but when I watched it a second time I had it a 114 draw. Oscar let himself down in this one. Was his for the taking

This fight is probably the biggest misconception in boxing history. ESPN did a poll " The biggest robbery in boxing history" and this fight was the number 1 pick which was astonishing.

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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

This fight is probably the biggest misconception in boxing history. ESPN did a poll " The biggest robbery in boxing history" and this fight was the number 1 pick which was astonishing.

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Alot of people only watch highlights of this fight, or go by someone else's opinion thats the impression i have always got anyway. You want to talk about robberies how about these.

Whitaker vs Ramirez 1
Whitaker vs Chavez
Lewis vs Holyfield 1
Fenech vs Nelson 1
Sturm vs Oscar
Hearns vs Leonard 2
Ottke vs Reid

These fights i consider 100 percent robberies.

Do you guys not see what are landed punches and what aren't?

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Do you guys not see what are landed punches and what aren't?

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Why the sarcastic post ??

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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker

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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

This fight is probably the biggest misconception in boxing history. ESPN did a poll " The biggest robbery in boxing history" and this fight was the number 1 pick which was astonishing.

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Alot of people only watch highlights of this fight, or go by someone else's opinion thats the impression i have always got anyway. You want to talk about robberies how about these.

Whitaker vs Ramirez 1
Whitaker vs Chavez
Lewis vs Holyfield 1
Fenech vs Nelson 1
Sturm vs Oscar
Hearns vs Leonard 2
Ottke vs Reid

These fights i consider 100 percent robberies.

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WOW great List CC in 24

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Do you guys not see what are landed punches and what aren't?

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Did you watch the fight and score it.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Do you guys not see what are landed punches and what aren't?

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If you're insinuating that someone is seeing the fight the wrong way, then post a RBR scorecard to prove your point.

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Originally Posted by Puya

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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker

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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

This fight is probably the biggest misconception in boxing history. ESPN did a poll " The biggest robbery in boxing history" and this fight was the number 1 pick which was astonishing.

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Alot of people only watch highlights of this fight, or go by someone else's opinion thats the impression i have always got anyway. You want to talk about robberies how about these.

Whitaker vs Ramirez 1
Whitaker vs Chavez
Lewis vs Holyfield 1
Fenech vs Nelson 1
Sturm vs Oscar
Hearns vs Leonard 2
Ottke vs Reid

These fights i consider 100 percent robberies.

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WOW great List CC in 24

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Thanks CC in 24.

An unfair decision, (but not the worst robbery Iv ever seen.)

I had it a draw first time I saw it and for DLH the second time and then a draw again.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

An unfair decision, (but not the worst robbery Iv ever seen.)

I had it a draw first time I saw it and for DLH the second time and then a draw again.

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It is a hard fight to score. The first time I saw it I was not scoring it of course, just watching the fight with my brothers, I felt that Tito came up short and did too little too late. I was very supprise they geve it to him, especially with all the talk at the time that DLH could not lose a decision in Vagas.

But every time I score it I see a real close fight draw or one point eather way. The first two rounds were real close, so was the ninth. There were also some rounds were I felt Tito was winning by being the agressor and landing the harder shots then boom, DLH would land a nice combination which made the other 2 and a half minutes of the round seem insignificant. One of those rounds(think it was the 5th) was the one where DLH landed that huge three punch combe right on Tito's face. DLH did not do anything else in that round but that combo was so huge it made it really hard not to give him the round.

I do have to say that this was one of the most biased comentating I have seen in a long time.

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

An unfair decision, (but not the worst robbery Iv ever seen.)

I had it a draw first time I saw it and for DLH the second time and then a draw again.

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It is a hard fight to score. The first time I saw it I was not scoring it of course, just watching the fight with my brothers, I felt that Tito came up short and did too little too late. I was very supprise they geve it to him, especially with all the talk at the time that DLH could not lose a decision in Vagas.

But every time I score it I see a real close fight draw or one point eather way. The first two rounds were real close, so was the ninth. There were also some rounds were I felt Tito was winning by being the agressor and landing the harder shots then boom, DLH would land a nice combination which made the other 2 and a half minutes of the round seem insignificant. One of those rounds(think it was the 5th) was the one where DLH landed that huge three punch combe right on Tito's face. DLH did not do anything else in that round but that combo was so huge it made it really hard not to give him the round.

I do have to say that this was one of the most biased comentating I have seen in a long time.

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Well I find it easy enough to forgive judges sometimes. De la Hoya was so popular in the states that they wouldn't want to be seen to be biased and Trinidad's support made it sound as if every punch was potentially lethal!

They're human too.

Here is my scorecard, pretty much the same as last time I say it.

1. Even
2. Tito
3. DLH
4. Tito
5. DLH
6. DLH
7. DLH
8. DLH
9. Tito
10.Tito
11.Tito
12.Tito

115-114 Tito.

I have to say that 11th round was pretty shamefull stuff by DLH. I would'nt go as far as to call it a 10-8, but I would'nt argue too much either.

Bump just seeing if anyone else wants to take part, when is the next fight Sweetpea ??

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

Bump just seeing if anyone else wants to take part, when is the next fight Sweetpea ??

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I'll still haven't gotten the chance to score this one myself. New fight will be in a couple days, maybe Monday.

Bump this for you SweetPea.

I am shocked no one has posted a score card with DLH winning... I though this was suppose to be a robbery. ::**

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

I am shocked no one has posted a score card with DLH winning... I though this was suppose to be a robbery. ::**

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proving my point for all this years