Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
I think nothing of him...He is a protected fighter that will stay clear of any dangerous opp if at all possible...
His biggest wins are over Hacine Cherif and Robert Frazier :o
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
Many claim it's the bad decision that he got against Oscar has what messed him up mentally. Others say the decision + his moms passing...
Who knows really, one things for sure the tools are there but I'm not so sure know if the tools work.
One thing also getting sparked out by 'El Lince' is nothing to be ashamed of. It seems that he's catching his second wind as his career is coming to the final stage. If you haven't seen, 'El Lince' just recently sparked out Carrera also.
I remember when Sturm & BCD where both Middles and up and coming Wacks and I used to have debates of how a potential match up would be. In his last fight against Griffith he gassed out, I read a report that said he was fortunate to get the draw as a win either way would have been OK.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
I think he aint shit and its a bit delusional to say he is..
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
I don't think Sturm is that bad, he has a good jab and good skills. I don't know what happened to him in his last fight and it did frustrate me but i still think Sturm is a good fighter.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
Hes the middleweight Dominick Guinn. He has the ingredients of a good fighter but nothing seems to come together right when it counts.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
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Hes the middleweight Dominick Guinn. He has the ingredients of a good fighter but nothing seems to come together right when it counts.
I'll give him some credit and say he's better than Dominic Guinn, Guinn won't ever get anywhere near a world title.
He's more Oleg Maskaev or Nikolay Valuev I'd say
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
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I think nothing of him...He is a protected fighter that will stay clear of any dangerous opp if at all possible...
His biggest wins are over Hacine Cherif and Robert Frazier :o
Those aren't his biggest wins...their just the names that you recognize & to say that he is shit...well that just proves that you haven't seen enough of him.
Sure you can have that opinion...but don't lable those two as his biggest wins.
His vengeance against Castillejo was a great step for him. Then fights against Schenk, Velazko, Masoe, & Sendra were all great wins & good opposition. Those may not be names that you know...but, again, that doesn't make them or him shit.
Sturm's a good fighter...he's just has some ups & downs lately.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
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Hes the middleweight Dominick Guinn. He has the ingredients of a good fighter but nothing seems to come together right when it counts.
He's more Oleg Maskaev or Nikolay Valuev I'd say
I dunno man thats pretty harsh...I'd say Maskaev and Valuev are 2 fighters that have made the most of the little they have.
Sturm strikes me as the opposite..he seems to have so much to offer (He made a fan out of me when he fought DLH..what a fuckin jab!) but it hasn't seemed to come together after the DLH robbery.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
Strum seems contend to stay in Europe defending against mediocre opposition. And even than he's still struggling with them. Strum is a disappointing fighter. He has talent. But he lacks heart. Which is the reason he turned close to a million dollars a couple of years ago to faced Jermain Taylor
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
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Hes the middleweight Dominick Guinn. He has the ingredients of a good fighter but nothing seems to come together right when it counts.
He's more Oleg Maskaev or Nikolay Valuev I'd say
I dunno man thats pretty harsh...I'd say Maskaev and Valuev are 2 fighters that have made the most of the little they have.
Sturm strikes me as the opposite..he seems to have so much to offer (He made a fan out of me when he fought DLH..what a F****** jab!) but it hasn't seemed to come together after the DLH robbery.
you both may be right. Guinn doesnt have the tools of Sturm, that was a bad example. Valuev and Oleg are more basic fighters too. Sturm does have an excellent jab and doesnt seem to be lacking in any particular category, but he cant seem to fight well for all 12 rounds,maybe Zab is a better example though Sturm doesnt have skill quite at that level.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
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I think nothing of him...He is a protected fighter that will stay clear of any dangerous opp if at all possible...
His biggest wins are over Hacine Cherif and Robert Frazier :o
Those aren't his biggest wins...their just the names that you recognize & to say that he is S***...well that just proves that you haven't seen enough of him.
Sure you can have that opinion...but don't lable those two as his biggest wins.
His vengeance against Castillejo was a great step for him. Then fights against Schenk, Velazko, Masoe, & Sendra were all great wins & good opposition. Those may not be names that you know...but, again, that doesn't make them or him S***.
Sturm's a good fighter...he's just has some ups & downs lately.
Those names I mention were the best on his resume...and Yes Wacko I do kow who the others are and have seen all of them fight Thanks for the boxing 101 but I don't need it from you contrary to YOUR belief
As far as Castillejo...I don't care what you think was great step in vengence for him....Fact Of the Matter is he was TKO'd By Castillejo when Castillejo hadn't had a decent win in over 4yrs.....He won a decision in the rematch...So What is that supposed to be some pound for pound accomplishment?...Javier was what 39yrs old with more miles on him then a 57 Chevy....Sturm is what 27 or 28 in his prime?......So Yeah WACK HE SHOULD HAVE WON!!!.....AND I will label those his two biggest wins....
Do we want to discuss the resume of Schenk? His last 7 opponents before Sturm had a combined record of 98-86 one with a 7-14 one with a 9-14-2 another with a 0-7...shall I keep going about the quality of Berts comp?
out of Velazco's last 5 before Sturm one had a 7-1-2 record another 37-44-8 and another 36-31-6,, Maso had his best opp in Ashira before Sturm, the 4 before him were 0-3, 6-3, 0-3, 5-2-4
Lets see Sendra had a guy 30-20, 11-13 and I don't think we need to look at their opp even for the best opponents of the 4 you mentioned for Sturms best wins....
Keep trying to pass them off as good opponents Wacko....Good Wins ::** save your preaching for someone who doesn't know better
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I think nothing of him...He is a protected fighter that will stay clear of any dangerous opp if at all possible...
His biggest wins are over Hacine Cherif and Robert Frazier :o
Those aren't his biggest wins...their just the names that you recognize & to say that he is S***...well that just proves that you haven't seen enough of him.
Sure you can have that opinion...but don't lable those two as his biggest wins.
His vengeance against Castillejo was a great step for him. Then fights against Schenk, Velazko, Masoe, & Sendra were all great wins & good opposition. Those may not be names that you know...but, again, that doesn't make them or him S***.
Sturm's a good fighter...he's just has some ups & downs lately.
Those names I mention were the best on his resume...and Yes Wacko I do kow who the others are and have seen all of them fight Thanks for the boxing 101 but I don't need it from you contrary to YOUR belief
As far as Castillejo...I don't care what you think was great step in vengence for him....Fact Of the Matter is he was TKO'd By Castillejo when Castillejo hadn't had a decent win in over 4yrs.....He won a decision in the rematch...So What is that supposed to be some pound for pound accomplishment?...Javier was what 39yrs old with more miles on him then a 57 Chevy....Sturm is what 27 or 28 in his prime?......So Yeah WACK HE SHOULD HAVE WON!!!.....AND I will label those his two biggest wins....
Do we want to discuss the resume of Schenk? His last 7 opponents before Sturm had a combined record of 98-86 one with a 7-14 one with a 9-14-2 another with a 0-7...shall I keep going about the quality of Berts comp?
out of Velazco's last 5 before Sturm one had a 7-1-2 record another 37-44-8 and another 36-31-6,, Maso had his best opp in Ashira before Sturm, the 4 before him were 0-3, 6-3, 0-3, 5-2-4
Lets see Sendra had a guy 30-20, 11-13 and I don't think we need to look at their opp even for the best opponents of the 4 you mentioned for Sturms best wins....
Keep trying to pass them off as good opponents Wacko....Good Wins ::** save your preaching for someone who doesn't know better
lol Daxx having another one of his turns again. You're up and down more than JT Rock now.
Do Asian men get periods or something?
;D
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
I wouldn't worry about him coming stateside anytime soon.....Sturm had a decent fight vs De la Hoya but since then he has had very little success vs limited opponents.
I would love to see him mix it up with some good fighters at 160.....but I am afraid the closest we'll get to that is Sturm-Asikanen or Sturm-Sylvester and if we're lucky Sturm-Abraham
I would actually watch Sturm-Duddy or Sturm-Mora as those would be pretty even
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I think nothing of him...He is a protected fighter that will stay clear of any dangerous opp if at all possible...
His biggest wins are over Hacine Cherif and Robert Frazier :o
Those aren't his biggest wins...their just the names that you recognize & to say that he is S***...well that just proves that you haven't seen enough of him.
Sure you can have that opinion...but don't lable those two as his biggest wins.
His vengeance against Castillejo was a great step for him. Then fights against Schenk, Velazko, Masoe, & Sendra were all great wins & good opposition. Those may not be names that you know...but, again, that doesn't make them or him S***.
Sturm's a good fighter...he's just has some ups & downs lately.
Those names I mention were the best on his resume...and Yes Wacko I do kow who the others are and have seen all of them fight Thanks for the boxing 101 but I don't need it from you contrary to YOUR belief
As far as Castillejo...I don't care what you think was great step in vengence for him....Fact Of the Matter is he was TKO'd By Castillejo when Castillejo hadn't had a decent win in over 4yrs.....He won a decision in the rematch...So What is that supposed to be some pound for pound accomplishment?...Javier was what 39yrs old with more miles on him then a 57 Chevy....Sturm is what 27 or 28 in his prime?......So Yeah WACK HE SHOULD HAVE WON!!!.....AND I will label those his two biggest wins....
Do we want to discuss the resume of Schenk? His last 7 opponents before Sturm had a combined record of 98-86 one with a 7-14 one with a 9-14-2 another with a 0-7...shall I keep going about the quality of Berts comp?
out of Velazco's last 5 before Sturm one had a 7-1-2 record another 37-44-8 and another 36-31-6,, Maso had his best opp in Ashira before Sturm, the 4 before him were 0-3, 6-3, 0-3, 5-2-4
Lets see Sendra had a guy 30-20, 11-13 and I don't think we need to look at their opp even for the best opponents of the 4 you mentioned for Sturms best wins....
Keep trying to pass them off as good opponents Wacko....Good Wins ::** save your preaching for someone who doesn't know better
lol Daxx having another one of his turns again. You're up and down more than JT Rock now.
Do Asian men get periods or something?
;D
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I think nothing of him...He is a protected fighter that will stay clear of any dangerous opp if at all possible...
His biggest wins are over Hacine Cherif and Robert Frazier :o
Those aren't his biggest wins...their just the names that you recognize & to say that he is S***...well that just proves that you haven't seen enough of him.
Sure you can have that opinion...but don't lable those two as his biggest wins.
His vengeance against Castillejo was a great step for him. Then fights against Schenk, Velazko, Masoe, & Sendra were all great wins & good opposition. Those may not be names that you know...but, again, that doesn't make them or him S***.
Sturm's a good fighter...he's just has some ups & downs lately.
Those names I mention were the best on his resume...and Yes Wacko I do kow who the others are and have seen all of them fight Thanks for the boxing 101 but I don't need it from you contrary to YOUR belief
As far as Castillejo...I don't care what you think was great step in vengence for him....Fact Of the Matter is he was TKO'd By Castillejo when Castillejo hadn't had a decent win in over 4yrs.....He won a decision in the rematch...So What is that supposed to be some pound for pound accomplishment?...Javier was what 39yrs old with more miles on him then a 57 Chevy....Sturm is what 27 or 28 in his prime?......So Yeah WACK HE SHOULD HAVE WON!!!.....AND I will label those his two biggest wins....
Do we want to discuss the resume of Schenk? His last 7 opponents before Sturm had a combined record of 98-86 one with a 7-14 one with a 9-14-2 another with a 0-7...shall I keep going about the quality of Berts comp?
out of Velazco's last 5 before Sturm one had a 7-1-2 record another 37-44-8 and another 36-31-6,, Maso had his best opp in Ashira before Sturm, the 4 before him were 0-3, 6-3, 0-3, 5-2-4
Lets see Sendra had a guy 30-20, 11-13 and I don't think we need to look at their opp even for the best opponents of the 4 you mentioned for Sturms best wins....
Keep trying to pass them off as good opponents Wacko....Good Wins ::** save your preaching for someone who doesn't know better
lol Daxx having another one of his turns again. You're up and down more than JT Rock now.
Do Asian men get periods or something?
;D
Has nothing to do with it Bilbo...Wacko is sitting there telling me I haven't seen so and so fight and I shopuld not label Cherif and Frazier his best wins....And he is going to name guys that have fought some of the owrst opp in the sport...then tell me I don't know what I am talking about and I haven't seen enough of Sturm to make a judgement....
I have seen plenty of Sturm and have seen all the guys he mentioned fight....even if I had not just the opp on paper alone shows they have not faced top caliber comp....How are you going to blast me then defend your arguement with those opponents? What because those are fights he looked best in?
Tel;l me I can have my opinion but don't label...I don't have to label facts
Lets see BHB called him S***, with no reason but just that he is S***, VD called him heartless and disappointing, Bom Boom called him a MW Guinn....and he is going to call me out because I said I thought nothing of him...I did not call Sturm S*** Wacko put those words in..look at my first post on the subject...All I said was I felt he was protected....Everyone else outright called him garbage......
And Wacko is going to call my post out...What because he is Wacko I am supposed to bow my head and appreciate what he tells me....And if your going to dis agree with my post fine you don't have to agree thats the whole point of debating...but don't start throwing in stuff I did not say
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
To be fair I think BHB actually was saying it was unfair for me to call him shit.
And he's right to be fair, Sturm ain't shit i mean obviously he's a decent fighter, I just think he's an underperformer and one of the most mediocre champs out there right now.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
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To be fair I think BHB actually was saying it was unfair for me to call him S***.
And he's right to be fair, Sturm ain't S*** i mean obviously he's a decent fighter, I just think he's an underperformer and one of the most mediocre champs out there right now.
Point is I never said he was S*** all I said was I did not think much of him and he was protected and Wacko goes off on a tangent...don't put words in my mouth...simple
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So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here...And even though I'm a fan
I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with Sturms last performance against Griffin...
I had him winning by a rnd or two,but some rnds were close so a draw is okay... he should
have won easily,but didn't do enough...
The loss against Castillejo was bad,but beside the kd in the second or third rnd Sturm won
every rnd taking punches and giving more...till he got caught again badly...Casti may be old
and coming from a lower weightclass,but he can knock out middleweights(like he did Carrera
in his last fight) and is still very dangerous...And thats just Sturm biggest flaw...he doesn't
have power(even though wacko might not agree here)...if he had this power(like Abraham
or Pavlik) he simply would have stopped his opponent including Casti...I mean he hits his
opponents with clean punches,but they don't go down...so most Sturm fights go usually 12 rnds
and thats taxing,because of this I think he shouldn't do more than 2 fights a year...who knows,
if he wouldn't have made the voluntary defense before the Griffin fight he might not have gassed
out...
But be it as it is Sturm is still a very skilled boxer...
On his homepage his trainer is quoted that Sturm will do the Griffin rematch in april and fight
Castillejo again in july(the Casti vs Carrera fight was an eliminator...),its not for sure yet,but will
most probably happen this way...
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here...And even though I'm a fan
I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with Sturms last performance against Griffin...
I had him winning by a rnd or two,but some rnds were close so a draw is okay... he should
have won easily,but didn't do enough...
The loss against Castillejo was bad,but beside the kd in the second or third rnd Sturm won
every rnd taking punches and giving more...till he got caught again badly...Casti may be old
and coming from a lower weightclass,but he can knock out middleweights(like he did Carrera
in his last fight) and is still very dangerous...And thats just Sturm biggest flaw...he doesn't
have power(even though wacko might not agree here)...if he had this power(like Abraham
or Pavlik) he simply would have stopped his opponent including Casti...I mean he hits his
opponents with clean punches,but they don't go down...so most Sturm fights go usually 12 rnds
and thats taxing,because of this I think he shouldn't do more than 2 fights a year...who knows,
if he wouldn't have made the voluntary defense before the Griffin fight he might not have gassed
out...
But be it as it is Sturm is still a very skilled boxer...
On his homepage his trainer is quoted that Sturm will do the Griffin rematch in april and fight
Castillejo again in july(the Casti vs Carrera fight was an eliminator...),its not for sure yet,but will
most probably happen this way...
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here
Nope im a fan and so is Mick i believe.
Re: How S*** is Felix Sturm?
At the end of the day calling Sturm Shit is deroagatory to the sport we are all here to worship :-X
The guys a world-class middleweight who's competed at world level in both the pros and amateurs.
To say that he's shit is not a good reflection on our sport :(
Modified: I just replied to Bilbo's original post, I never saw the response or Bilbo explaining further that he thought he was jus an under achiever.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here...And even though I'm a fan
I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with Sturms last performance against Griffin...
I had him winning by a rnd or two,but some rnds were close so a draw is okay... he should
have won easily,but didn't do enough...
The loss against Castillejo was bad,but beside the kd in the second or third rnd Sturm won
every rnd taking punches and giving more...till he got caught again badly...Casti may be old
and coming from a lower weightclass,but he can knock out middleweights(like he did Carrera
in his last fight) and is still very dangerous...And thats just Sturm biggest flaw...he doesn't
have power(even though wacko might not agree here)...if he had this power(like Abraham
or Pavlik) he simply would have stopped his opponent including Casti...I mean he hits his
opponents with clean punches,but they don't go down...so most Sturm fights go usually 12 rnds
and thats taxing,because of this I think he shouldn't do more than 2 fights a year...who knows,
if he wouldn't have made the voluntary defense before the Griffin fight he might not have gassed
out...
But be it as it is Sturm is still a very skilled boxer...
On his homepage his trainer is quoted that Sturm will do the Griffin rematch in april and fight
Castillejo again in july(the Casti vs Carrera fight was an eliminator...),its not for sure yet,but will
most probably happen this way...
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here
Nope im a fan and so is Mick i believe.
Good to hear that you are a fan :coolclick: ,but I think Mick jumped off the wagon after Sturms last fight...
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here...And even though I'm a fan
I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with Sturms last performance against Griffin...
I had him winning by a rnd or two,but some rnds were close so a draw is okay... he should
have won easily,but didn't do enough...
The loss against Castillejo was bad,but beside the kd in the second or third rnd Sturm won
every rnd taking punches and giving more...till he got caught again badly...Casti may be old
and coming from a lower weightclass,but he can knock out middleweights(like he did Carrera
in his last fight) and is still very dangerous...And thats just Sturm biggest flaw...he doesn't
have power(even though wacko might not agree here)...if he had this power(like Abraham
or Pavlik) he simply would have stopped his opponent including Casti...I mean he hits his
opponents with clean punches,but they don't go down...so most Sturm fights go usually 12 rnds
and thats taxing,because of this I think he shouldn't do more than 2 fights a year...who knows,
if he wouldn't have made the voluntary defense before the Griffin fight he might not have gassed
out...
But be it as it is Sturm is still a very skilled boxer...
On his homepage his trainer is quoted that Sturm will do the Griffin rematch in april and fight
Castillejo again in july(the Casti vs Carrera fight was an eliminator...),its not for sure yet,but will
most probably happen this way...
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here
Nope im a fan and so is Mick i believe.
Good to hear that you are a fan :coolclick: ,but I think Mick jumped off the wagon after Sturms last fight...
:coolclick: back Sturm did frustrate me in his last fight. But im not giving up on him he is a good fighter.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here...And even though I'm a fan
I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with Sturms last performance against Griffin...
I had him winning by a rnd or two,but some rnds were close so a draw is okay... he should
have won easily,but didn't do enough...
The loss against Castillejo was bad,but beside the kd in the second or third rnd Sturm won
every rnd taking punches and giving more...till he got caught again badly...Casti may be old
and coming from a lower weightclass,but he can knock out middleweights(like he did Carrera
in his last fight) and is still very dangerous...And thats just Sturm biggest flaw...he doesn't
have power(even though wacko might not agree here)...if he had this power(like Abraham
or Pavlik) he simply would have stopped his opponent including Casti...I mean he hits his
opponents with clean punches,but they don't go down...so most Sturm fights go usually 12 rnds
and thats taxing,because of this I think he shouldn't do more than 2 fights a year...who knows,
if he wouldn't have made the voluntary defense before the Griffin fight he might not have gassed
out...
But be it as it is Sturm is still a very skilled boxer...
On his homepage his trainer is quoted that Sturm will do the Griffin rematch in april and fight
Castillejo again in july(the Casti vs Carrera fight was an eliminator...),its not for sure yet,but will
most probably happen this way...
So far I think wacko and me are the only Sturm fans here
Nope im a fan and so is Mick i believe.
Sorry!
Not me, I mean the kids got potential but I just don't see the fire in him.
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Sturm wouldnt even be able to win the contender, but thats the next logical step for him.
