I was just wondering if you think Hatton could go on and become the best ever 140 pounder.
A fight against Witter who is in the pound for pound top 25. Giving him a WBC.
I don't see why Hatton couldn't unify the division.
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I was just wondering if you think Hatton could go on and become the best ever 140 pounder.
A fight against Witter who is in the pound for pound top 25. Giving him a WBC.
I don't see why Hatton couldn't unify the division.
Cue ICB with Aaron Pryor rave.
I think he can become one the greatest Jr Welterweight's for certain but not higher than Julio Cesar Chavez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
Well I don't think JCC was at his best at Light Welter but he's still a little above Hatton.
Should Rick beat Witter, Malignaggi, Torres/Hopkins, Juan Diaz and an up and comer like Peterson then he will be in strong contention. But thats a huge ask.
I know Chavas is a great boxer. But he was more of a multiple weight champion.
He never unified the division. Same goes for Aaron Pryor.
Do you think Hatton could unify the division? Or do you even think he will try?
I just don't know if i'm biased i haven't seen all the LWW title holders fight so don't really know.
Witter isn't in the top 25 p4p there are dozens of excellent fighters out there who would rate higher than Junior Witter, just off the top of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. Calzaghe
4. JM Marquez
5. Cotto
6. Hopkins
7. Vazquez
8. R Marquez
9. Wright
10.Juan Diaz
11.Calderon
12.Pavlik
13.Hatton
13.Mosely
14.Guzman
15.Kessler
16. De La Hoya
17.Taylor
18.Haye
19.Spinks
20.Forrest
21.Williams
22.Klitschko
23.Chris John
24.Donaire
25.Ponce De Leon
26.Solis
27.Abraham
28.Margarito
29.Woods
30.Mundine
That's 30 who in my mind definitely all rank above him. He's in the next 30 probably near the top of the list of fighters such as Molitor, Bute, Mormeck, Bell, Mijares, Darchinyan, Sturm, Lacy, Karmazin, Casamayor, D Diaz, Dawson, Cintron etc.
I'd put him at around 35ish. Basically the best you can say about him is he has a belt.
A good list Bilbo, but I don't understand how Kessler is higher than Hatton.
Sorry.
I thought I put Hatton higher than Kessler?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wright
Anyway my list isn't set in stone, I just did it off the top of my head. If I sat down and thought about it I'd probably change it around a bit.
I think Hatton stay's at 147 and takes the big money fights, ODH, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, etc
Well this is my list.
You don't see to understand that Junior Witter has only lost 1 fight.
1 Floyd Mayweather Jr welterweight
2 Bernard Hopkins light heavyweight
3 Israel Vazquez super bantamweight
4 Kelly Pavlik middleweight
5 Joe Calzaghe super middleweight
6 Manny Pacquiao super featherweight
7 Cristian Mijares super flyweight
8 Juan Manuel Marquez super featherweight
9 Ronald Wright middleweight
10 Juan Diaz lightweight
11 Ricky Hatton light welterweight
12 Rafael Marquez super bantamweight
13 Miguel Angel Cotto welterweight
14 Alexander Munoz super flyweight
15 Celestino Caballero super bantamweight
16 Chris John featherweight
17 Arthur Abraham middleweight
18 Wladimir Klitschko heavyweight
19 Jermain Taylor middleweight
20 Cory Spinks light middleweight
21 David Haye cruiserweight
22 Junior Witter light welterweight
23 Nonito Donaire flyweight
24 Daniel Ponce de Leon super bantamweight
25 Clinton Woods light heavyweight
hattin da best currently at 140 but if floyd were to go back, it be lil floyd
I doubt it Floyd hasn't actually beaten anyone of any real note at light welter weight. So he can't be.
what u talkin bout son, he beat world champion gattin and corely son.
Yes you half wit he did beat Gatti for the WBC. But only because the WBC was vacant. LMAO
no it want kid, gatti beat branco 4 da vacant title son
Exactly Gattin and Branco ony got a shot at the title because it was vacant.
but u siad floyd fought fo vacant sitle sun
I said Gatti only had the WBC because it was vacant.
a title sstill a tiltle sun
How could you not have Ivan Calderon up there anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
Thats perfect example of the the small weights not getting enough credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
wasp you have Pavlik above Calzaghe explain?
I think that PM might just outbox the Hitman and if he does then Hatton is pretty much done after that.
How old are you because I cant make head nor tail of the mumbo jumbo you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestCoast
Well he's overlooked Calderon Ice but the rest of his list is full of little guys. Christian Mijares at 7! For what beating Jorge Arce? Pavlik above Calzaghe, Munoz at 14? Sorry Wasp but this list is completely wack. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
How could you not have Ivan Calderon up there anywhere?
He is certainly a chance to be a top 5 all time great 140pounder, I have him behind in no order Pryor, Tszyu, Chavez, Loche and Cervantes. If he goes back to 140 and beats Witter and Paulie then he goes top 5 for sure. Hatton's big test will be coming back from defeat, a lot of all time greats have done it. Duran, Hearns, Leonard, Tszyu etc all had defeats and came back better than ever! Hatton should do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
Lmao there is some bullshit going on between you 2 because there ain't nobody else replying to the 2 of you. Funny either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestCoast
As for Junior Witter..if Haye is in most peoples top 30 then Witter HAS to be. Witter narrowly lost to a prime Zab Judah on 2 weeks notice (no shame in that). Haye got knocked out by Karl Thompson AFTER Eubank (way past prime) took him to his limit twice!! (second time was only stopped on doctors orders..Eubank was NOT happy and WAS winning!) Since then Junior has looked solid as a rock where as Haye keeps showing us what a weak chin he has and narrowly scraping victories. Maybe this makes him more exciting to people but I certainly wouldn't place him top 25 P4P material..
Sorry but if Haye is ranking up there then Junior must be at least 5-10 places above.
No one is replying because no one can figure out WTF they're saying ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Half four last Saturday night. Returning form the office Christmas party. Two of my work colleagues started singing "There's only one Ricky Hatton..."
To their surprise and my own, everybody knew the lyrics and 40 people walked to a house party screaming Hatton's praise at the top of their lungs.
It's all relative, Pavlik beat Jermain Taylor who has beaten other pound for pounds. hopkins, spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
Come to think of it Calzaghe hasn't beaten any ranked pound for pound fighters. Have to say i don't really agree with Hopkins still being there but well that's a majority thing.
Same reason as Calzaghe wasn't respected as a pound for pound. It would be disrespectful to add him. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
You're right though good fighter.
I hope he will as well. he said that his boxing idols lost fights so coming back shouldn't be to hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I just hope he unfiys the division.
He has already had IBF,IBO,WBC,WBA light welterweight weight titles. I hope he gets them all back and the WBO.
:)
He has never won a WBC world title, funny isn't it.
To be honest yeah. By the sound of it on here he won't be fighting witter for it either.
F knows why i wrote that. I got muddled it was the WBC International light welterweight title that he won.
By no means a bad title though Manny Pacquiaos favourite by the looks of it.
Oh I wasn't correcting you, I knew you me4ant the International...
But I just find it weird that the WBC and him have never crossed paths yet oin the 24/7 series he was seen to be wearing a WBC shirt on numerous occasions.
I don't understand that either. A lot say the WBC is the big one to win.
But personaly i like the WBA.
I don't really understand this part of boxing. Why don't the title holders fight each other instead they defend against what can be a very thin amount of proper opposition.
Well when they get to that point they stand to make an awful lot of money by making defences. By facing off against each other they risk losing the belt and perhaps their elite status. No belt no money. Pros are dictated by money :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
I always used to think the WBC was the big one as i remeber Ali had the belt. But time has taught me that it's organisation is just as corrupt and wrong as them all. I quite like the IBF's policies now.
He needs to fight Witter ;)
Not right away, he needs a shot of confidence first. Demetrius Hopkins orJuan Lazcano would be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1