remember where you heard it first. prime for prime, can't nobody touch this man.
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remember where you heard it first. prime for prime, can't nobody touch this man.
You're dreaming.
Welter weights like Ted "Kid" Lewis the British boxer who toured America. He gave the very best Welter weight in almost every state of America a shot at his title and usually came out on top.
You won't see Floyd going abroad ever! He isn't brave enough.
u kidin me dawg, lewis aint got nuffin on money may son.
Lewis has a whole lot more on Maywether.
Some might call Mayweather a fight dodger. Jumping through weight divisions picking up titles. Rarely fighting the best in the divisions.
u crazy kid, floyd wanna fight da best but day keep dogin him. floyd beat top fightas throughout is carrer
Yeah right. He beats Arturo Gatti and then runs away to fight Sharmba Mitchell instead of fighting "Sugar" Shame Mosely.
Mayweather is a coward. Thought you would of figured that out by his attitude.
how he ignore mosely son.. mosley was fightin at 154 and floyd offed mosle da fight afta mosle beat vargas da 2nd tyme son
I agree with WestCoast Floyd has beat some very good fighters and has not dodged anyone,he in my opinion is clearly by a mile the best in the world at the moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by WestCoast
Only thing I fear about him is that cos he is making so much money he will have a short career and not have many more fights,I think this will stop him from becoming the best fighter of all time...
Lets see..Sugar Ray Robinson fought LaMotta, Graziano, Fullmer, Basilio, Archer, Maxim, Turpin,Gavilan, Olsen, Zivic, Giardello, and Armstrong to name a few... I would say Floyd is absolutely nowhere near the greatest of all time. Thre are at the very least 30 fighters greater imo.
floyd whod beat srr kid, floy is too smat to lose son
OK I am a huge fan of Floyds ability and I think he is a great great fighter. I always defend him but to say he is the greatest ever at this stage is an absurd comment.
This has troll written all over it imo and I am surprised people are giving genuine replies to this nonsense.
dis aint nonsense son,wats wrang wit ya kid, learn da sporet
I already had this debate with you and i already proved the point that Mayweather didn't duck Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
Just because a wind up merchant has made this pointless thread doesn't give you the right to discredit a great fighter like Mayweather. Because that just makes you as bad as this guy, in fact you sound like a hater.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WestCoast
Learn the language!
i no da language sun, lean da sport
Fighting Sharmba Mitchell instead of Mosely is fight dodging.
Jumping through the weight divisions avioding the best in the divisions is fight dodging. Plain and simple.
You guy's are basically saying Gatti was the best in Light welter weight. LMAO. Dream on.
he aint duck mosley dawg, get ya facs str8 sun, mos
Your just a hater plain and simple, i never said Gatti was best Jr Welterweight. Ricky Hatton/Kostya was at that time everyone knows that, we had this debate and your points were weak, all you kept saying was, *Mayweather ducked Mosley* and i kept giving you the facts at what weight they were at the time. And why the fight didn't happen and your counter argument was *Mayweather ducked Mosley* your just a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
Well make your choice.
Either Mayweather ducked Mosely. Or Gatti was the best LWW at the time Mayweather was a LWW.
Either way Mayweather hasn't een fighting the best in each division.
You see what i mean ?? weak points all the time. Thats all you keep saying *Mayweather ducked Mosley* I gave you the facts in the other thread and backed up my points well you had no counter argument except *Mayweather ducked Mosley*Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
I never even said Gatti was best Jr Welterweight why do you keep bringing it up ??
I brought it up because Mayweather can't be the greatest fighter of all time unless he has beaten the best fighters.
Your points on how Mayweather couldn't fight Mosely are wrong though.
Okay they were both at Welter weight.
Shane Mosely fights Jose Luis Cruz.
Floyd Mayweather fights Sharmba Mitchell.
Guess what happens next for both Jose Luis Cruz and Sharmba Mitchell. Ohhhhh they fight each other why would that be?
Why because Floyd Mayweather and his team decided he wasn't good enough to fight Mosely.
Either way. they could of fought after the first Vargas fight
u just a hata sun
Your points on how Mayweather couldn't fight Mosely are wrong though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
And yours are right ??
Okay they were both at Welter weight.
Mayweather fought his first fight at Welterweight on November 2005, Mosley's last fight at Welterweight was September 2005, he moved up to Lightmiddleweight after his fight with Cruz.
Shane Mosely fights Jose Luis Cruz.
Floyd Mayweather fights Sharmba Mitchell.
Yes and ??
Shane Mosely fights Jose Luis Cruz.
Floyd Mayweather fights Sharmba Mitchell.
Yes and ??
And then Jose Luis Cruz fights Sharmba Mitchell. What should of happened was Mayweather Vs Mosely. Mayweather was scared because Mosely just had a close fight against pound for pound Winky.
Notice the difference between the dates you gave. 2 months? Easily could of had a fight arranged. Mayweather ducked him.
And then Jose Luis Cruz fights Sharmba Mitchell. What should of happened was Mayweather Vs Mosely. Mayweather was scared because Mosely just had a close fight against pound for pound Winky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasp
Just because the loser fights the loser, doesn't automatically mean the winner has to fight the winner. Thats silly logic and Cruz was never ever good anyway. Stop reading up boxrec and going by judges scores and actually watch the fight. Mosley was beat the same way he was beat the in the 1st fight by Winky Wright it was almost an exact repeat of there 1st meeting.
Cruz was handpicked opponent for Mosley on his come trail.
Notice the difference between the dates you gave. 2 months? Easily could of had a fight arranged. Mayweather ducked him.
Mosley moved up to Lightmiddleweight how is that Mayweather's fault ?? did Mosley's camp offer him a fight, make a deal or etc ??
Ice no point in getting involved in pointless discussion with guys like this. They won't be sticking around anyway pal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
I have seen very few with Floyd's ring intelligence and boxing ability. But it's easy to showcase them when you are fighting opponents like Sharmba Mitchell, Henry Brusseles, Arutro Gatti, and Carlos Baldomir, guys whose skills are nowhere near Floyd's. If you want to consider yourself the best, you must fight the top fighters out there, and though there aren't many out there on Floyd's level today, he must fight the Mosleys', the Margaritos', the Cottos', and the Williams' to silence all doubters. I'll call Floyd great when he does to those what he has done to others.
I have seen very few with Floyd's ring intelligence and boxing ability. But it's easy to showcase them when you are fighting opponents like Sharmba Mitchell, Henry Brusseles, Arutro Gatti, and Carlos Baldomir, guys whose skills are nowhere near Floyd's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
How about.
Genaro Hernandez
Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Jesus Chavez
Zab Judah
Carlos Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Are you going to tell me these are not good opponents ?? and just for the record there isn't anyone near Mayweather's skill level in Welterweight division.
Finito, many of those fights were LONG AGO, and as Floyd has climbed the weights, his level of competition has not been as consistent as when he was below 140. And as I said, I don't remember many with Floyd's skills, but the fighters I mentioned (Margarito, Mosley, Williams, and Cotto) certainly have better skills that Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Brusseles, wouldn't you say? And you can't claim no one in the welterweight division has the skill level of Floyd unless you put them in the ring with him to prove it, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
"floyd mayweather is the greatest fighter of all time."
You know, I respect Mayweather and all, but that statement is just troll bait. Mayweather proved his worth at Lightweight and lower, and i consider him an ATG at those weight classes.
As of now, he has not even proven he is the best at welterweight, his current weight class. Selective opponent picking and fighting guys unproven in that given weight class will never sway my opinion. You have to be realistic, step back and take a good look at the picture here.
When you got guys like Cotto, Williams, Margarito, who have proven to be the current hard fighters at that division, completely getting ignored, it will raise eyebrows. I call bullshit when he claims it is all business and he will only fight guys who can raise the gate as he is more than willing to Mix in the Baldomir's, Mitchell's, and others far past their prime. How is a true fight fan supposed to interpret this?
Could Mayweather beat Cotto, Williams or Margarito? He is so skilled he very well could. When he slips away from those guys though, you will see that he will not go into a fight that is a huge risk. It has nothing to do with finances, as he could fight Butterbean and it would create a huge gate, simply because he is fighting.
I'll rank him as great for his earlier accomplishments, but in it's current state, I will need a lot more convincing. As of right now i consider him an incredibly gifted fighter who kicks ass. I just want to see some real ass kicked!!
Except for Henry Bruseles, his opposition has been goodish, to good. I consider these fighters goodish, Arturo Gatti, DeMarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Carlos Manuel Baldomir. And these fighters good Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton. His opposition isn't nearly as bad as some people make out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
I agree with your statement. I still think he could do much more right now though. He has fought some good opposition and I will even give him props for fighting Judah, as Judah offered him something different to test him. Speed and Power via Southpaw, and that represented risk even though Judah has proven himself to have limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
If Floyd does not get respected 20 years down the road as an all time great, you can blame the multiple title belt bullshit that the current state of boxing is in. This ass backward state of boxing has giving him the opportunity to pick and choose who he fights, as anyone who is decent can go grab a belt and represent an opponent for his belt in every weight class quest.
Even 20 years ago, if you wanted to be considered great, you would fight the best opposition available to prove yourself. He once did that in the lower weight classes, but then became a businessman. It just pisses me off to no end that his incredible talent is getting watered down, and he will end his career great but unproven.
Of the current era i certainly can't think of anybody with a more impressive resume than Mayweather.
Mayweather has a similar problem to what Roy Jones had. He makes his opponents look so average, in hindsight it looks like he's only fighting average fighters.
Since i joined this forum about 2 and a half years ago i've seen countless polls about who would beat Mayweather. He's faced pretty much all of them and beaten them....maybe with the exception of Cotto, Tony and maybe Mosley.
He aint ducking any of them, it's just that the guy has fought in 5 different weight classes.....it would be impossible to fight every contender in all 5 weight classes.
I get the feeling Floyd either needs to lose or he needs to in an absolute barnburner for people to appreciate him fully.....and at the minute he's too skilled and too clever to let either of them happen.
There's no point in trying to place him anywhere on the all time p4p lists until he has fully retired.
I get the feeling Floyd either needs to lose or he needs to in an absolute barnburnerQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
Check out his fights with Ndou and Chavez ;)
:o
Floyd Mayweather Ain't shiet!
Actually, he does remind me a little bit of a shiet I took the other day.
It was BLACK as PHUK son.
Yo! SON! You HERD me.
LMAO
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/764/image1qr5.png
Floyd is the SH1T.
;D
Is it me or is this WASP kid and this WEstcoast kid looking like they are the same guy logging in and out to argue with themself?...........
Why bother with this guy and his cool spelling tricks? we are obviously not on his level.....using correct spelling and all :(
The barnburner I wanted to see was against Margarito, but Floyd took the easier fight for the same amount money against Baldomir (as Yogi would say, you could look it up). Also, you can't call yourself the best if you are fighting "good" competition as opposed to what people believe to be the best competition. Cotto, Williams, Mosley, and to some extent, Margarito, are "great," not "good."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
I did not want to see BaldoMierda vs Mayweather Jr and everywhere you looked or read, THE PEOPLE were asking for Margarito vs Mayweather Jr.
Floyd began with shiet like who is Tony Margarito.!? As if the fans did not know who he was.
Now they are trying to do the same thing with Cotto.
LMMFAO!! A turd burglar, lol :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
For my part, I don't even entertain that Floyd is the greatest of all time. Not when guys like SRR had over twice the amount of fights as Floyd in a time when SRR was fighting to feed his family, not be on t.v. throwing around stacks of money. Not to mention the severe racial division and hatred of him doing what he did so good. And that goes for alot of fighters back in the day IMO. Floyd is great no doubt, but he isn't the greatest of all time; that's ridiculous to me. Let's see him have over 120 fights 1st.
You're usually funny man, really funny but I don't think that comment was very funny. Maybe just me personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto