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How often have the two best at that time gone against eachother?
I am just thinking
Roy JOnes Jr. vs James Toney
Ali-Frazier
Leonard-Duran
Were Hagler and Leonard the two best when they fought?
Whitaker-Chavez?
Joe Louis vs Conn or vs Ezzard Charles?
Saddler-pep?
I know Gene TUnney was in a big one
but how many times has p4p 1 faced p4p 2?
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Whitaker was #1 PFP when Jones and Toney fought.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
No toney was.
According to who?
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Originally Posted by ono
audley - sprott
Haha and what about Williams v Skelton twice and a third just around the corner once the Chagaev bout is out the way. ;D
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I am just thinking
Roy JOnes Jr. vs James Toney
Ali-Frazier
Leonard-Duran
Were Hagler and Leonard the two best when they fought?
Whitaker-Chavez?
Joe Louis vs Conn or vs Ezzard Charles?
Saddler-pep?
I know Gene TUnney was in a big one
but how many times has p4p 1 faced p4p 2?
Problem with that is how often is P4P #1 and P4P #2 ever in the same division :-\
If Only.....Boxing sure would have a lot more mega bouts
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Whitaker was #1 PFP when Jones and Toney fought.
Yeah james toney was, according to the buildup before the fight as i remember
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Whitaker was #1 PFP when Jones and Toney fought.
Yeah james toney was, according to the buildup before the fight as i remember
No he wasn't. Toney was considered #2 pfp, Jones was several spots lower than that, because he hadn't been in a really big fight yet.
I can take a few minutes to search and produce rankings to prove this point, but I don't think I even need to. Toney-Jones was a huge, huge fight, but it wasn't a #1 vs. #2 PFP fight.
Whitaker-Chavez was.
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Trinidad Vs De La Hoya was close, not 1 vs 2 but I believe 3 vs 4, Chavez Vs Taylor should be up there
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How about Salvador Sanchez vs Wilfredo Gomez ??
Azumah Nelson vs Pernell Whitaker has to be up there.
Aaron Pryor vs Alexis Arguello ??
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
Trinidad Vs De La Hoya was close, not 1 vs 2 but I believe 3 vs 4,
Ya, Oscar-Tito was close, but Roy was still #1 Pfp then.
If the question was expanded to times when two top 5 pfp guys fought each other, the list of fights would be a lot longer. 1 vs. 2 matchups are incredibly rare.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
Trinidad Vs De La Hoya was close, not 1 vs 2 but I believe 3 vs 4,
Ya, Oscar-Tito was close, but Roy was still #1 Pfp then.
If the question was expanded to times when two top 5 pfp guys fought each other, the list of fights would be a lot longer. 1 vs. 2 matchups are incredibly rare.
Damn it Sweet Pea I know, but I had to give something close, it was the fight of the..........
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I am just thinking
Roy JOnes Jr. vs James Toney
Ali-Frazier
Leonard-Duran
Were Hagler and Leonard the two best when they fought?
Whitaker-Chavez?
Joe Louis vs Conn or vs Ezzard Charles?
Saddler-pep?
I know Gene TUnney was in a big one
but how many times has p4p 1 faced p4p 2?
I can't say this 100% sure but my guess is the only time this is happened is when Pernell fought JCC.
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Gene Tunney vs Harry Greb ??
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I can not believe that one has Leonard and hearns that was huge fight best welterweight bout i have ever seen.
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Jack Johnson vs. Stanley Ketchel
Are we going for a Top Champion moving up to face another top Champion?
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Leonard V Hearns 1 must be close.
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The upcoming Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight is #2 vs #3. That's pretty big!
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Whitaker was #1 PFP when Jones and Toney fought.
Yeah james toney was, according to the buildup before the fight as i remember
No he wasn't. Toney was considered #2 pfp, Jones was several spots lower than that, because he hadn't been in a really big fight yet.
I can take a few minutes to search and produce rankings to prove this point, but I don't think I even need to. Toney-Jones was a huge, huge fight, but it wasn't a #1 vs. #2 PFP fight.
Whitaker-Chavez was.
REgardless of p4p they were the two best places.
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Leonard- Hearns has to be up there.
Jones-Toney
Pernell-JCC fo sho...
there the ones that stand out to me.
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James Toney vs. Roy Jones Jr.
I like to think that the vast majority of the time, the two best, do fight one another if at all possible.
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
The upcoming Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight is #2 vs #3. That's pretty big!
It is a big fight, but I hardly see what Marquez has done to be #3 let alone in the top 5 when comparing what he has done to what Cotto, Calzaghe, and HOpkins have done.
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I think Tito and DLH were 2 and 3 at the time if I am not mistaken. Too bad the actual fight fell short of expectations.
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The upcoming Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight is #2 vs #3. That's pretty big!
It is a big fight, but I hardly see what Marquez has done to be #3 let alone in the top 5 when comparing what he has done to what Cotto, Calzaghe, and HOpkins have done.
What HAS Hopkins done lately ???
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The upcoming Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight is #2 vs #3. That's pretty big!
And if three subtracts 2 does he become number 1?
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
The upcoming Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez fight is #2 vs #3. That's pretty big!
And if three subtracts 2 does he become number 1?
HAHA. Oh mathematical equations! Those are not for me! But I doubt that Marquez becomes #1 is he wins. I think Floyd has to slip up in order for him to lose the spot.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Whitaker was #1 PFP when Jones and Toney fought.
I would have said toney was personally.. Loads of people say toney was p4p1 at the time.. Alot of people made an arguement for jones..Not so much as a long list of achievements but the definate p4p great feeling about him
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Plus imo your all wrong on Leonard - Duran
Looking back now on duran you know he is a great.. But he was nowhere near top p4p at the time..
People only really bucked up and took notice when he beat leonard and he was a huge underdog for the fight
barrera vs naz?.. No barrera wasnt as big then .. Urr
Def Leonard - Hearns were right up top..
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There is no point nitpicking at this. There is no official P4P list so none of you are wrong.
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
There is no point nitpicking at this. There is no official P4P list so none of you are wrong.
You're right, there's no "official" list but the most renowned and one used by anyone involved in boxing is RING MAGAZINE's list.
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There is no point nitpicking at this. There is no official P4P list so none of you are wrong.
You're right, there's no "official" list but the most renowned and one used by anyone involved in boxing is RING MAGAZINE's list.
Yep, the Ring rankings are as close to an official PFP ranking as there is.
Here's a link to the year-by-year PFP Ring rankings throughout the 1990s. This list is one of several reasons why I argued that Jones-Toney wasn't a true #1 vs. #2 matchup, but Whitaker-Chavez was.
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...r_Pound--1990s
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
There is no point nitpicking at this. There is no official P4P list so none of you are wrong.
You're right, there's no "official" list but the most renowned and one used by anyone involved in boxing is RING MAGAZINE's list.
Yep, the Ring rankings are as close to an official PFP ranking as there is.
Here's a link to the year-by-year PFP Ring rankings throughout the 1990s. This list is one of several reasons why I argued that Jones-Toney wasn't a true #1 vs. #2 matchup, but Whitaker-Chavez was.
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...r_Pound--1990s
cc#388 on me Sweet....
For digging that up.
I was off on Ricardo Lopez by 1. I said the highest I ever saw him rated was at #4 turns out he actually made it to #3.
I learned something new now. Thanks Sweet.
Also I think I have the rankings for 1997 at home in a magazine I'm gonna give it a look when I get home and if I do have them I'll add them to that list.
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I do disagree with one fight the Duran vs Leonard.Duran was not in his prime when he fought Leonard I believe he had 76 fights before he fought Leonard.I would say Duran was slipping a little bit by then.His best years were as a lightweight.I know I know he somehow kept fighting until like 2002 or something but as a lightweight he was at his best.
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Have they got 80s one ??
The Ring stopped doing PFP rankings for a while, and they didn't start again until 1989. So that's the only year from the 80s where there are rankings. Here is the link to those.
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...r_Pound--1980s
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Have they got 80s one ??
The Ring stopped doing PFP rankings for a while, and they didn't start again until 1989. So that's the only year from the 80s where there are rankings. Here is the link to those.
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...r_Pound--1980s
Cheers SweetPea CC slightly surprised Tyson was P4P number 1 if im honest.
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Lol..Although the 90's are interesting to look at some of those are incredible.. I really disagree with alot of those.. especially towards the late 90's they just seem a little muddled up..
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Lol..Although the 90's are interesting to look at some of those are incredible.. I really disagree with alot of those.. especially towards the late 90's they just seem a little muddled up..
yeah james toney was definitely higher when he a jones fought...and chavez earns or get a draw against sweet pea and completely falls off the list?
