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Who Would Be P4P Number 1
Lets say right now that Jones had just beat Ruiz, and Mayweather has just beaten Hatton who would be P4P number 1 in your eyes ?? I think Jones buts lets compare there best wins and achievements.
Roy Jones Jr Best Wins
John Ruiz
Bernard Hopkins
Clinton Woods
James Toney
Montel Griffin
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
Virgil Hill
Mike McCallum
Vinny Pazienza
World Titles at, Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Lightheavyweight, Heavyweight.
Floyd Mayweather's Best Wins
Ricky Hatton
Oscar De La Hoya
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Genaro Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Phillip N'dou
Diego Corrales
Angel Manfredy
DeMarcus Corley
World Title's at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight.
There careers are quite similar with people saying, they both fought tough opposition when they first become champion. But then getting accused of hand picking opponent's later in there career, but who would be P4P number 1 in your opinion ??
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They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
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Re: Who Would Be P4P Number 1
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
What might give Jones the edge is his win over Ruiz winning the Heavyweight Title, because Jones started off as Light Middleweight and Jones winning Heavyweight title, that achievement had not been done since early 1900s i believe ?? but you are right they are very close, both men most of the time dominate there opponent's in impressive fashion, Mayweather is the better technical fighter, Jones is more naturally talented, its close one.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
What might give Jones the edge is his win over Ruiz winning the Heavyweight Title, because Jones started off as Light Middleweight and Jones winning Heavyweight title, that achievement had not been done since early 1900s i believe ?? but you are right they are very close, both men most of the time dominate there opponent's in impressive fashion, Mayweather is the better technical fighter, Jones is more naturally talented, its close one.
It was cool to see Jones fight at heavyweight, but let's be honest, that wasn't a heavyweight title fight. John Ruiz was a stiff who just happened to own a belt.
Let's say Cory Spinks had somehow upset Jermain Taylor and won a middleweight belt. Floyd probably would have moved up and challenged Spinks. But if Floyd had won, people would have said it didn't really mean much because Spinks wasn't really a middleweight. Jones-Ruiz is the same thing.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
What might give Jones the edge is his win over Ruiz winning the Heavyweight Title, because Jones started off as Light Middleweight and Jones winning Heavyweight title, that achievement had not been done since early 1900s i believe ?? but you are right they are very close, both men most of the time dominate there opponent's in impressive fashion, Mayweather is the better technical fighter, Jones is more naturally talented, its close one.
It was cool to see Jones fight at heavyweight, but let's be honest, that wasn't a heavyweight title fight. John Ruiz was a stiff who just happened to own a belt.
Let's say Cory Spinks had somehow upset Jermain Taylor and won a middleweight belt. Floyd probably would have moved up and challenged Spinks. But if Floyd had won, people would have said it didn't really mean much because Spinks wasn't really a middleweight. Jones-Ruiz is the same thing.
I agree SweetPea but it was still amazing achievement even if Ruiz isn't Good/Great Heavyweight. Why did Roy Jones never fight at Cruiserweight ??
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
What might give Jones the edge is his win over Ruiz winning the Heavyweight Title, because Jones started off as Light Middleweight and Jones winning Heavyweight title, that achievement had not been done since early 1900s i believe ?? but you are right they are very close, both men most of the time dominate there opponent's in impressive fashion, Mayweather is the better technical fighter, Jones is more naturally talented, its close one.
It was cool to see Jones fight at heavyweight, but let's be honest, that wasn't a heavyweight title fight. John Ruiz was a stiff who just happened to own a belt.
Let's say Cory Spinks had somehow upset Jermain Taylor and won a middleweight belt. Floyd probably would have moved up and challenged Spinks. But if Floyd had won, people would have said it didn't really mean much because Spinks wasn't really a middleweight. Jones-Ruiz is the same thing.
I agree SweetPea but it was still amazing achievement even if Ruiz isn't Good/Great Heavyweight. Why did Roy Jones never fight at Cruiserweight ??
Because he could make way more money by going up to heavy. And then after that, Tarver was a bigger fight than any of the guys at cruiser.
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Re: Who Would Be P4P Number 1
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
What might give Jones the edge is his win over Ruiz winning the Heavyweight Title, because Jones started off as Light Middleweight and Jones winning Heavyweight title, that achievement had not been done since early 1900s i believe ?? but you are right they are very close, both men most of the time dominate there opponent's in impressive fashion, Mayweather is the better technical fighter, Jones is more naturally talented, its close one.
It was cool to see Jones fight at heavyweight, but let's be honest, that wasn't a heavyweight title fight. John Ruiz was a stiff who just happened to own a belt.
Let's say Cory Spinks had somehow upset Jermain Taylor and won a middleweight belt. Floyd probably would have moved up and challenged Spinks. But if Floyd had won, people would have said it didn't really mean much because Spinks wasn't really a middleweight. Jones-Ruiz is the same thing.
No way is that the same. Taylor was THE middleweight champion. Ruiz was just a belt holder and a lousy one at that.
To the OP. This is an interesting topic. You are not only stating a direct question which is who would be #1 if the circumstances you describe had happend. You are also stating that Mayweather's achievements already compare to that of Jones Jr. and most belive he still has some big fights left. So this means at the end of the day it is very likely he will be considered better than Roy Jones Jr.
This will be a hard argument to make to most avid Jones Jr. fans. But don't worry, I am not one of them...
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I would say Floyd is. He is the superior technical boxer and not to mention undefeated and in his prime. Where as Roy at that juncture would be at his twilight and has a loss albeit a BS loss due to a disqualification still had a loss
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
Very true. However i look at it like this. If you take 130 Floyd and pump him up by 40lbs and put him in against a hand picked Super-Middleweight Title holder... How would he do?
In short, the fact that Roy could inflic his style up at Heavyweight, for me, implies that HE was the superior fighter.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
They're very close.
I think Floyd is the superior fighter, but it'd be tough to argue against someone who favors Jones. Floyd is certainly the more well-schooled fighter, which is why I personally like him more.
What might give Jones the edge is his win over Ruiz winning the Heavyweight Title, because Jones started off as Light Middleweight and Jones winning Heavyweight title, that achievement had not been done since early 1900s i believe ?? but you are right they are very close, both men most of the time dominate there opponent's in impressive fashion, Mayweather is the better technical fighter, Jones is more naturally talented, its close one.
It was cool to see Jones fight at heavyweight, but let's be honest, that wasn't a heavyweight title fight. John Ruiz was a stiff who just happened to own a belt.
Let's say Cory Spinks had somehow upset Jermain Taylor and won a middleweight belt. Floyd probably would have moved up and challenged Spinks. But if Floyd had won, people would have said it didn't really mean much because Spinks wasn't really a middleweight. Jones-Ruiz is the same thing.
I agree SweetPea but it was still amazing achievement even if Ruiz isn't Good/Great Heavyweight. Why did Roy Jones never fight at Cruiserweight ??
Because he's scared of Bobby Gunn
;D
Seriously i don't think there is much between these two guys. Mayweather is probably the better all around fighter....taking into account his defensive skills.
I'd say Mayweather.......but wouldn't argue with those who say Jones
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Jones would probably be the peoples choice as he was more exciting extravagent and dangerous in the ring.
I feel the purists would say Mayweather, technically far better than Jones Jr.
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I think Mayweather is a GREAT fighter
But Roy Jones in his Prime ( at middle or wotever time you guys think was his prime in your opinion )
was without doubt totall untouchable , the oposition wasnt as good as Floyd has fought , but Toney was maid to look like a kid in a mans world as was Hopkins. That is so impressive , so for me Jones
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I think Mayweather is a GREAT fighter
But Roy Jones in his Prime ( at middle or wotever time you guys think was his prime in your opinion )
was without doubt totall untouchable , the oposition wasnt as good as Floyd has fought , but Toney was maid to look like a kid in a mans world as was Hopkins. That is so impressive , so for me Jones
One could say the same about Corrales, Gatti, Baldomir and....Hatton (sniffle)
Floyd is as untouchable as Jones but Floyd is undefeated.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I think Mayweather is a GREAT fighter
But Roy Jones in his Prime ( at middle or wotever time you guys think was his prime in your opinion )
was without doubt totall untouchable , the oposition wasnt as good as Floyd has fought , but Toney was maid to look like a kid in a mans world as was Hopkins. That is so impressive , so for me Jones
One could say the same about Corrales, Gatti, Baldomir and....Hatton (sniffle)
Floyd is as untouchable as Jones but Floyd is undefeated.
So was Jones when he beat Toney and Hopkins :) which is the point in his career im talking about :)
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Yes at middleweight...
Floyd retained that aura at Light weight, Light welter, Welter and even Light Middle.
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It would have to be Jones.
If you work it on defences of the titles Mayweather still has to win his next 5 fights.
Jones also pretty much unfied a division. Mayweather is still to get anywhere near that.
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Originally Posted by Wasp
It would have to be Jones.
If you work it on defences of the titles Mayweather still has to win his next 5 fights.
Jones also pretty much unfied a division. Mayweather is still to get anywhere near that.
Defence of Titles is irrelevent. Quality of opposition goes to Mayweather in each weightclass.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Wasp
It would have to be Jones.
If you work it on defences of the titles Mayweather still has to win his next 5 fights.
Jones also pretty much unfied a division. Mayweather is still to get anywhere near that.
Defence of Titles is irrelevent. Quality of opposition goes to Mayweather in each weightclass.
true dat ;)
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Bet nobody ever thought they'd see me defending Floyd :-[
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Roy Jones Jr. gets the nod from me.
And Floyd is now in protective custody for at least two years. Trying to stay undefeated by not fighting any one at all. I hope this biatch does retire.
At 38 Roy is still fighting ;)
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
Roy Jones Jr. gets the nod from me.
Shocker!! ;D
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Yes at middleweight and Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight (for years, unified) and technically HEAVYWEIGHT :D
Floyd retained that aura at Light weight, Light welter, Welter and even Light Middle.
;)
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Originally Posted by The Grinch
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Yes at middleweight and Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight (for years, unified) and technically HEAVYWEIGHT :D
Floyd retained that aura at Light weight, Light welter, Welter and even Light Middle.
;)
Well I just feel they are equivalent.
Floyd: Superfeather, Lightweight, LightWelter, Welter, Light Middle. =5
Jones:Light Middle, Middle, supermiddle, lightheavy, Heavy.=5
Of the five weights they competed in Floyd won world titles at 5.
Of the five weights Roy competed in he won world titles at 4. (He outgrew Light middle.)
At The highest weight at which he won a world title Roy took on the most beatable World champ available in John Ruiz.
At the highest weight at which he won a title, Floyd took on De la Hoya, a genuine (if over the hill) legend.
Roy's big names: W Hopkins, W Toney, W Ruiz, L Johnson, L Tarver.
Floyds big names: W Corrales, W Castillo, WQ de la Hoya, W Hatton, W Gatti, W Judah, W Chavez.
And for the record....I'm not at all fond of Floyd but damn what a fighter!
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roy gets the nod easily because of how he dominated everybody in every weight class that he fought...the man so good that they compare and wonder how he, a fucking man that started at LMW (154) would fair against the great heavy's of all time (5 weight classes north)... which to me in itself is a subconscious admission that roy would beat anyone in history that's not a true heavy...also
not once have i heard anyone make an absurd assumption that floyd would stand a chance in the ring with the great middles , BHOP, HAGLER, MONZON, JAMES TONEY, MW ROY JONES, and son on...please IMO this isn't close
