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I rekon that would have been a cracker!
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Frank does alright early in the fight and then gets clubbed to defeat in the second half
End analysis ;D
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This would have been good i would go with Bruno early stoppage or Bowe late stoppage.
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IMO the first half is a slugfeast...with Bruno getting the best of it....Bruno tires and stays on the defensive for the last 4 rds...Bowe UD
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
This would have been good i would go with Bruno early stoppage or Bowe late stoppage.
No way would Bruno stop Bowe, Bowe had one of the best chins in Modern day Heavyweight history. Bruno would give Bowe few problems with his left jab but after about 6th round, Bowe would catch Bruno with over hand right Bruno is then stunned on the ropes and Bowe lands vicious 4 punch combo followed by uppercut and the ref steps in and Bowe wins in the 7th.
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It would be a good fight.Until Bowe landed his crashing right hand.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
IMO the first half is a slugfeast...with Bruno getting the best of it....Bruno tires and stays on the defensive for the last 4 rds...Bowe UD
Bruno would never ever last the distance with Bowe, he only went 12 rounds once with uninterested Oliver McCall and he looked like he was going to pass out after 9th round.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
This would have been good i would go with Bruno early stoppage or Bowe late stoppage.
No way would Bruno stop Bowe, Bowe had one of the best chins in Modern day Heavyweight history. Bruno would give Bowe few problems with his left jab but after about 6th round, Bowe would catch Bruno with over hand right Bruno is then stunned on the ropes and Bowe lands vicious 4 punch combo followed by uppercut and the ref steps in and Bowe wins in the 7th.
40 wins 38 ko's 33 of them inside 5 rounds thats why i said Bruno's chance of winning would be early and Bowes late if i had to pick i would say Bowe late about round 8 lets not forget Bruno had good punch power.And how many fighters with great chins have been ko'd
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
This would have been good i would go with Bruno early stoppage or Bowe late stoppage.
No way would Bruno stop Bowe, Bowe had one of the best chins in Modern day Heavyweight history. Bruno would give Bowe few problems with his left jab but after about 6th round, Bowe would catch Bruno with over hand right Bruno is then stunned on the ropes and Bowe lands vicious 4 punch combo followed by uppercut and the ref steps in and Bowe wins in the 7th.
40 wins 38 ko's 33 of them inside 5 rounds thats why i said Bruno's chance of winning would be early and Bowes late if i had to pick i would say Bowe late about round 8 lets not forget Bruno had good punch power.And how many fighters with great chins have been ko'd
Bruno never knocked out elite fighter, his power slightly fell short against elite opponent's.
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IMO, Bowes vastly overrated as a Heavyweight.
Did he show skills?
Yes,
Did he show determination?
In the ring Yes outside the ring No,
All in all aside from Holy theres nothing much there as far as World Class. I mean a few good prominent names there but IMO Bowes not Hall of Fame. He had the tools but bad management & poor ethics outside of the ring was his dismissal.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
IMO, Bowes vastly overrated as a Heavyweight.
Did he show skills?
Yes,
Did he show determination?
In the ring Yes outside the ring No,
All in all aside from Holy theres nothing much there as far as World Class. I mean a few good prominent names there but IMO Bowes not Hall of Fame. He had the tools but bad management & poor ethics outside of the ring was his dismissal.
IMO, Bowes vastly overrated as a Heavyweight.
Did he show skills?
Yes,
Did he show determination?
In the ring Yes outside the ring No,
I don't think he is overrated, no one rates Bowe high in all time Heavyweight rankings. But at his best he would give any Heavyweight in history tough fight. Although Bowe had bad weakness to outside fighters, look at Tony Tubbs who was on down slide of his career, out boxed Bowe totally but Bowe got gift decision. And Holyfield also out boxed Bowe in there 2nd fight by using movement and boxing Bowe on the outside.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
IMO, Bowes vastly overrated as a Heavyweight.
Did he show skills?
Yes,
Did he show determination?
In the ring Yes outside the ring No,
All in all aside from Holy theres nothing much there as far as World Class. I mean a few good prominent names there but IMO Bowes not Hall of Fame. He had the tools but bad management & poor ethics outside of the ring was his dismissal.
I agree, slightly. Bowe was a little overrated. But he was still much better than the chin less, huffing and puffing after 6 rounds Frank Bruno.
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Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
IMO, Bowes vastly overrated as a Heavyweight.
Did he show skills?
Yes,
Did he show determination?
In the ring Yes outside the ring No,
All in all aside from Holy theres nothing much there as far as World Class. I mean a few good prominent names there but IMO Bowes not Hall of Fame. He had the tools but bad management & poor ethics outside of the ring was his dismissal.
IMO, Bowes vastly overrated as a Heavyweight.
Did he show skills?
Yes,
Did he show determination?
In the ring Yes outside the ring No,
I don't think he is overrated, no one rates Bowe high in all time Heavyweight rankings. But at his best he would give any Heavyweight in history tough fight. Although Bowe had bad weakness to outside fighters, look at Tony Tubbs who was on down slide of his career, out boxed Bowe totally but Bowe got gift decision. And Holyfield also out boxed Bowe in there 2nd fight by using movement and boxing Bowe on the outside.
And that's what I mean you say "But at his best he would give any Heavyweight in history tough fight" I disagree with that cause to say that would mean you rate him highly enough to match him up with the best.
I always read things like Bowe was a beast, Bowe was something special and for some reason here when they've made hypothetical matchups against the likes of Tyson, Foreman, Lennox theres been people who have said Bowe would beat them. (Prime for Prime) If you can actually determine when Bowes prime started and when it ended. ::**
I would assume 1992-93 so his prime lasted about a year or so?
I just feel Bowe get's a little too much credit and praise for the Holy fights. Great fights yes, Holy great yes. Bowe at his best in my books was a really good Heavy and that's about where it ends for me.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
IMO, Bowes vastly overrated as a Heavyweight.
Did he show skills?
Yes,
Did he show determination?
In the ring Yes outside the ring No,
All in all aside from Holy theres nothing much there as far as World Class. I mean a few good prominent names there but IMO Bowes not Hall of Fame. He had the tools but bad management & poor ethics outside of the ring was his dismissal.
I agree, slightly. Bowe was a little overrated. But he was still much better than the chin less, huffing and puffing after 6 rounds Frank Bruno.
Huffin' and puffin' ;D
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Right on Welsh, to me Bowes nothing special.
The Holy fights were special but Bowe as Heavy compared amongst the rest falls waaay short.
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True Mick and I have to give him credit for the trilogy with Evander - great fights, though it is the only time I will give the man credit as he is one of my least favourite fighters of alltime. :)
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Prime vs. prime, I think Bowe wins easily. Bruno was nothing more than a second-rate heavyweight. Bowe in his (brief) prime was an extremely skilled boxer with power.
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Am i right in thinking Bowe never called Tyson out so perhaps Bowe did'nt like fighting punchers
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
True Mick and I have to give him credit for the trilogy with Evander - great fights, though it is the only time I will give the man credit as he is one of my least favourite fighters of alltime. :)
Oh! me too. PBFs not my cup of tea as a fighter but the mans skilled and I can say it.
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Prime vs. prime, I think Bowe wins easily. Bruno was nothing more than a second-rate heavyweight. Bowe in his (brief) prime was an extremely skilled boxer with power.
I can agree with that.
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Is this a serious question?
Frank Bruno was a big, well conditioned guy who always gave of his best in the ring. He was always found wanting against true world class opponents. He was really dedicated, could punch like a mule, was always fit and never could say that he lost against someone he could truly beat. He won a 'world title' in the end.
Riddick Bowe was an even bigger, poorly conditioned guy, who never really realised his true potential inthe ring. When he was against worls class opposition his class and talent shone out but he was poor against guys he knew he could beat. He was fragile in his mind and was never as fit as he could have been in his career. He was a hugely skilled boxer with a good heart and courage. He should have won the fights he lost. He won world titles but could have won and retained ALL of them.
Bruno is one of the great overachievers in heavyweight time, Bowe is one of the great underachievers.
....... but Bowe beats Bruno 100 times out of a 100.
Bruno starts off neat and tidy, good solid jab and heavy right cross to follow. He lands some bombs, but Bowe rides the shots, grabs when he has too, spoils when he has to and is always busy enought to stay in it. His size stops Bruno from bullying him. The fight is roughly even for 4 rounds with Bruno slightly ahead on the scorecards. By the 5th, Bowe starts to work him out, times the jab and moves under the right cross where his infighting starts to tire Bruno out.
By the 7th, Big Riddick is bossing it and the end comes suddenly, via a sneaky Bowe uppercut that Bruno never sees, followed by a barrage from the more naturally talented, bigger fighter. Bruno loses by TKO.
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Originally Posted by X
Is this a serious question?
Frank Bruno was a big, well conditioned guy who always gave of his best in the ring. He was always found wanting against true world class opponents. He was really dedicated, could punch like a mule, was always fit and never could say that he lost against someone he could truly beat. He won a 'world title' in the end.
Riddick Bowe was an even bigger, poorly conditioned guy, who never really realised his true potential inthe ring. When he was against worls class opposition his class and talent shone out but he was poor against guys he knew he could beat. He was fragile in his mind and was never as fit as he could have been in his career. He was a hugely skilled boxer with a good heart and courage. He should have won the fights he lost. He won world titles but could have won and retained ALL of them.
Bruno is one of the great overachievers in heavyweight time, Bowe is one of the great underachievers.
....... but Bowe beats Bruno 100 times out of a 100.
Bruno starts off neat and tidy, good solid jab and heavy right cross to follow. He lands some bombs, but Bowe rides the shots, grabs when he has too, spoils when he has to and is always busy enought to stay in it. His size stops Bruno from bullying him. The fight is roughly even for 4 rounds with Bruno slightly ahead on the scorecards. By the 5th, Bowe starts to work him out, times the jab and moves under the right cross where his infighting starts to tire Bruno out.
By the 7th, Big Riddick is bossing it and the end comes suddenly, via a sneaky Bowe uppercut that Bruno never sees, followed by a barrage from the more naturally talented, bigger fighter. Bruno loses by TKO.
I stopped reading when you called Bruno well conditioned. The man was built. I'll give him that. But well conditioned? I don't think so. The guy couldn't go 6 rounds with out his mouth hanging open and him gasping for air. Look at his fight with Oliver Mccall. I thought Bruno was going to die from exhaustion. The man had no stamina. So how is that being well conditioned?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Prime vs. prime, I think Bowe wins easily. Bruno was nothing more than a second-rate heavyweight. Bowe in his (brief) prime was an extremely skilled boxer with power.
:coolclick: no doubt bout it!! agree with everything you said. I remember his best performance against Evander and that really was something special by any standard. No heavyweight in history would of enjoyed fighting Bowe that night.
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I think Bowie can make it to the HOF but he is not a alltime great though i think the peopel get the HOF confused with ATG not the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I stopped reading when you called Bruno well conditioned.
.... too many syllables for you, VD? ;)
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Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer, his musles craved so much oxygen that he was drained after 6 -8 rounds. I've always said his chin was pretty good, he never got knocked down by big single shots, he just had no defence after being caught and just stood there taking a beating. He did have a helluva shot on him, but in terms of real world class, unfortuantley not - and a well prepared Bowe would stop him almost certainly
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer, his musles craved so much oxygen that he was drained after 6 -8 rounds. I've always said his chin was pretty good, he never got knocked down by big single shots, he just had no defence after being caught and just stood there taking a beating. He did have a helluva shot on him, but in terms of real world class, unfortuantley not - and a well prepared Bowe would stop him almost certainly
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer,
Tell that to Ken Norton, Evander Holyfield ;)
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer, his musles craved so much oxygen that he was drained after 6 -8 rounds. I've always said his chin was pretty good, he never got knocked down by big single shots, he just had no defence after being caught and just stood there taking a beating. He did have a helluva shot on him, but in terms of real world class, unfortuantley not - and a well prepared Bowe would stop him almost certainly
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer,
Tell that to Ken Norton, Evander Holyfield ;)
Have you got their number? ;D
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer, his musles craved so much oxygen that he was drained after 6 -8 rounds. I've always said his chin was pretty good, he never got knocked down by big single shots, he just had no defence after being caught and just stood there taking a beating. He did have a helluva shot on him, but in terms of real world class, unfortuantley not - and a well prepared Bowe would stop him almost certainly
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer,
Tell that to Ken Norton, Evander Holyfield ;)
Have you got their number? ;D
;D
No but seriously didn't Ken Norton used to be body builder, or something before he became a boxer ??
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer, his musles craved so much oxygen that he was drained after 6 -8 rounds. I've always said his chin was pretty good, he never got knocked down by big single shots, he just had no defence after being caught and just stood there taking a beating. He did have a helluva shot on him, but in terms of real world class, unfortuantley not - and a well prepared Bowe would stop him almost certainly
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer,
Tell that to Ken Norton, Evander Holyfield ;)
Have you got their number? ;D
;D
No but seriously didn't Ken Norton used to be body builder, or something before he became a boxer ??
If you ask most people what Bruno's biggest problem was, they would say 'stamina' based on his phsique, there are exception to every rule, but somebody built like Bruno is always going to have problems with stamina at that level of endurance
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer, his musles craved so much oxygen that he was drained after 6 -8 rounds. I've always said his chin was pretty good, he never got knocked down by big single shots, he just had no defence after being caught and just stood there taking a beating. He did have a helluva shot on him, but in terms of real world class, unfortuantley not - and a well prepared Bowe would stop him almost certainly
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer,
Tell that to Ken Norton, Evander Holyfield ;)
Have you got their number? ;D
;D
No but seriously didn't Ken Norton used to be body builder, or something before he became a boxer ??
If you ask most people what Bruno's biggest problem was, they would say 'stamina' based on his phsique, there are exception to every rule, but somebody built like Bruno is always going to have problems with stamina at that level of endurance
It is that but it was also, nervous energy and not having confidence. These two combined aren't good combo to have going into a fight.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer, his musles craved so much oxygen that he was drained after 6 -8 rounds. I've always said his chin was pretty good, he never got knocked down by big single shots, he just had no defence after being caught and just stood there taking a beating. He did have a helluva shot on him, but in terms of real world class, unfortuantley not - and a well prepared Bowe would stop him almost certainly
Bruno was just too 'muscled' to be a boxer,
Tell that to Ken Norton, Evander Holyfield ;)
Have you got their number? ;D
;D
No but seriously didn't Ken Norton used to be body builder, or something before he became a boxer ??
If you ask most people what Bruno's biggest problem was, they would say 'stamina' based on his phsique, there are exception to every rule, but somebody built like Bruno is always going to have problems with stamina at that level of endurance
It is that but it was also, nervous energy and not having confidence. These two combined aren't good combo to have going into a fight.
Good call ICE thats what i was going to say the nervous energy was his problem ;) ;D
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
Actually Bowe had bad damage to his brain after 3rd Holyfield fight i believe, and Holyfield dropped him with monster left hook when he wern't expecting it because he thought and so did everyone else that Holyfield was finished and he looked liked he was spent force, plus the worst punches are the ones you don't see coming.
Golota dropped Bowe twice in there 2nd fight, and Bowe took one of the worst beatings i've ever seen a Heavyweight take yet Golota could not stop him so you can't deny that Bowe had great chin and great heart.
And to say he has a weak chin is way off the mark, the punch that Golota knocked Bowe down with was a temple shot not a shot to the chin.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
Actually Bowe had bad damage to his brain after 3rd Holyfield fight i believe, and Holyfield dropped him with monster left hook when he wern't expecting it because he thought and so did everyone else that Holyfield was finished and he looked liked he was spent force, plus the worst punches are the ones you don't see coming.
Golota dropped Bowe twice in there 2nd fight, and Bowe took one of the worst beatings i've ever seen a Heavyweight take yet Golota could not stop him so you can't deny that Bowe had great chin and great heart.
And to say he has a weak chin is way off the mark, the punch that Golota knocked Bowe down with was a temple shot not a shot to the chin.
so we disagree i guess its all about opinions , but Rob is right Bowe avoided big hitters
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
Actually Bowe had bad damage to his brain after 3rd Holyfield fight i believe, and Holyfield dropped him with monster left hook when he wern't expecting it because he thought and so did everyone else that Holyfield was finished and he looked liked he was spent force, plus the worst punches are the ones you don't see coming.
Golota dropped Bowe twice in there 2nd fight, and Bowe took one of the worst beatings i've ever seen a Heavyweight take yet Golota could not stop him so you can't deny that Bowe had great chin and great heart.
And to say he has a weak chin is way off the mark, the punch that Golota knocked Bowe down with was a temple shot not a shot to the chin.
so we disagree i guess its all about opinions , but Rob is right Bowe avoided big hitters
Like who ?? i know Bowe did avoid Lewis but they were rescheduled to fight if Lewis, beat McCall but he didn't and the rest is history.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
Actually Bowe had bad damage to his brain after 3rd Holyfield fight i believe, and Holyfield dropped him with monster left hook when he wern't expecting it because he thought and so did everyone else that Holyfield was finished and he looked liked he was spent force, plus the worst punches are the ones you don't see coming.
Golota dropped Bowe twice in there 2nd fight, and Bowe took one of the worst beatings i've ever seen a Heavyweight take yet Golota could not stop him so you can't deny that Bowe had great chin and great heart.
And to say he has a weak chin is way off the mark, the punch that Golota knocked Bowe down with was a temple shot not a shot to the chin.
To the people who are saying Bowe avoided big punchers and had a weak chin, your argument might be more believable if you could actually provide some names.
I'm with ICB (Ricardo) on this one. Golota landed some of the biggest punches against Bowe that you'll ever see, and Bowe refused to be stopped.
And please don't name Tyson. There was a slight problem with a Bowe-Tyson matchup. When Bowe was champ, Tyson wasn't exactly available to fight, since you know... he was in prison.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
Actually Bowe had bad damage to his brain after 3rd Holyfield fight i believe, and Holyfield dropped him with monster left hook when he wern't expecting it because he thought and so did everyone else that Holyfield was finished and he looked liked he was spent force, plus the worst punches are the ones you don't see coming.
Golota dropped Bowe twice in there 2nd fight, and Bowe took one of the worst beatings i've ever seen a Heavyweight take yet Golota could not stop him so you can't deny that Bowe had great chin and great heart.
And to say he has a weak chin is way off the mark, the punch that Golota knocked Bowe down with was a temple shot not a shot to the chin.
To the people who are saying Bowe avoided big punchers and had a weak chin, your argument might be more believable if you could actually provide some names.
I'm with ICB (Ricardo) on this one. Golota landed some of the biggest punches against Bowe that you'll ever see, and Bowe refused to be stopped.
And please don't name Tyson. There was a slight problem with a Bowe-Tyson matchup. When Bowe was champ, Tyson wasn't exactly available to fight, since you know... he was in prison.
How about you name all these punchers that Bowe faced? He was beating up on faded fighters like Ferguson and Dokes (both somehow in World title defences). He should have been disqualified against Buster Mathis Jnr another fighter who had no punch.
He beat Larry Donald who fought scared after Bowe had punched him in the pre fight press conference and again wasn't a puncher.
He beat Bert Cooper who had a dig but was a fringe contender at Heavyweight and who was a Cruiserweight.
He got schooled by an old Tony Tubbs another fighter that was past his best and didn't have any power.
Why didn't Bowe face Morrison, Mercer, Tucker, McCall, Ruddock, Sanders it's not a coincidence that he never fought these punchers rather it is good handling by his manager Rock Newman as he knew Bowe didn't have the greatest chin in the World so constantly fed him lighter, smaller fighters with a lack of real power or faded.
And Golota who could dig had Bowe in all kinds of trouble while in his next fight Golota got dealt with easily by Lennox Lewis.
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
Actually Bowe had bad damage to his brain after 3rd Holyfield fight i believe, and Holyfield dropped him with monster left hook when he wern't expecting it because he thought and so did everyone else that Holyfield was finished and he looked liked he was spent force, plus the worst punches are the ones you don't see coming.
Golota dropped Bowe twice in there 2nd fight, and Bowe took one of the worst beatings i've ever seen a Heavyweight take yet Golota could not stop him so you can't deny that Bowe had great chin and great heart.
And to say he has a weak chin is way off the mark, the punch that Golota knocked Bowe down with was a temple shot not a shot to the chin.
To the people who are saying Bowe avoided big punchers and had a weak chin, your argument might be more believable if you could actually provide some names.
I'm with ICB (Ricardo) on this one. Golota landed some of the biggest punches against Bowe that you'll ever see, and Bowe refused to be stopped.
And please don't name Tyson. There was a slight problem with a Bowe-Tyson matchup. When Bowe was champ, Tyson wasn't exactly available to fight, since you know... he was in prison.
How about you name all these punchers that Bowe faced? He was beating up on faded fighters like Ferguson and Dokes (both somehow in World title defences). He should have been disqualified against Buster Mathis Jnr another fighter who had no punch.
He beat Larry Donald who fought scared after Bowe had punched him in the pre fight press conference and again wasn't a puncher.
He beat Bert Cooper who had a dig but was a fringe contender at Heavyweight and who was a Cruiserweight.
He got schooled by an old Tony Tubbs another fighter that was past his best and didn't have any power.
Why didn't Bowe face Morrison, Mercer, Tucker, McCall, Ruddock, Sanders it's not a coincidence that he never fought these punchers rather it is good handling by his manager Rock Newman as he knew Bowe didn't have the greatest chin in the World so constantly fed him lighter, smaller fighters with a lack of real power or faded.
And Golota who could dig had Bowe in all kinds of trouble while in his next fight Golota got dealt with easily by Lennox Lewis.
I'll think your find Bowe was scheduled to fight Ray Mercer, but Mercer got upset by Jesse Ferguson read up about it.
Sanders was nowhere even close to top Heavyweights in 1996, or in early 90s why would Bowe have fought him ??
Mercer had been promised a title shot against Riddick Bowe and a guaranteed 1.5 million dollar payday if he beat Ferguson. However, things didnt go his way and Mercer was completely outboxed in this fight.
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Re: Prime Bruno - Prime Bowe
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Riddick Bowe would never have fought Bruno because Bowe never fought anyone who could punch.
Hide and Gonzalez are the only two and Gonzalez wasn't that big a puncher.
A fighter that spent his whole career not facing punchers does so for a reason - his management no he can't take a punch.
Spot on Rob , Holyfield dropped him , Golota dropped him on many accasions , thats about all the punchers he met , he had a weak chin , not one of the best of all time as some think lol
Actually Bowe had bad damage to his brain after 3rd Holyfield fight i believe, and Holyfield dropped him with monster left hook when he wern't expecting it because he thought and so did everyone else that Holyfield was finished and he looked liked he was spent force, plus the worst punches are the ones you don't see coming.
Golota dropped Bowe twice in there 2nd fight, and Bowe took one of the worst beatings i've ever seen a Heavyweight take yet Golota could not stop him so you can't deny that Bowe had great chin and great heart.
And to say he has a weak chin is way off the mark, the punch that Golota knocked Bowe down with was a temple shot not a shot to the chin.
To the people who are saying Bowe avoided big punchers and had a weak chin, your argument might be more believable if you could actually provide some names.
I'm with ICB (Ricardo) on this one. Golota landed some of the biggest punches against Bowe that you'll ever see, and Bowe refused to be stopped.
And please don't name Tyson. There was a slight problem with a Bowe-Tyson matchup. When Bowe was champ, Tyson wasn't exactly available to fight, since you know... he was in prison.
How about you name all these punchers that Bowe faced? He was beating up on faded fighters like Ferguson and Dokes (both somehow in World title defences). He should have been disqualified against Buster Mathis Jnr another fighter who had no punch.
He beat Larry Donald who fought scared after Bowe had punched him in the pre fight press conference and again wasn't a puncher.
He beat Bert Cooper who had a dig but was a fringe contender at Heavyweight and who was a Cruiserweight.
He got schooled by an old Tony Tubbs another fighter that was past his best and didn't have any power.
Why didn't Bowe face Morrison, Mercer, Tucker, McCall, Ruddock, Sanders it's not a coincidence that he never fought these punchers rather it is good handling by his manager Rock Newman as he knew Bowe didn't have the greatest chin in the World so constantly fed him lighter, smaller fighters with a lack of real power or faded.
And Golota who could dig had Bowe in all kinds of trouble while in his next fight Golota got dealt with easily by Lennox Lewis.
I'll think your find Bowe was scheduled to fight Ray Mercer, but Mercer got upset by Jesse Ferguson read up about it.
Sanders was nowhere even close to top Heavyweights in 1996, or in early 90s why would Bowe have fought him ??
Mercer had been promised a title shot against Riddick Bowe and a guaranteed 1.5 million dollar payday if he beat Ferguson. However, things didnt go his way and Mercer was completely outboxed in this fight.
I'm well aware of the Mercer situation but that wasn't the only time he could have fought Mercer. Sanders was around for years. Even Bruno was once scheduled to fight Mercer (Highnoon in Hong Kong)
Apart from Sanders - good old Lennox found time to fight punchers but somehow Bowe didn't. You can defend Bowe all you like but his Pro record shows the facts.
I'm not even suggesting that Bowe wouldn't have beaten some of the fighters I've mentioned but I find it strange that he never actually got into the ring with any and the names I have mentioned are just some of those he never fought.
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Re: Prime Bruno - Prime Bowe
Bowe had one of the best HW jabs ever.Good power and hand speed.worked well on the inside as well as the outside.No self disaplain out of the ring.
Bruno had great power and and was 100% boxing in and out of the ring.That is all you can say for Frank.
Bruno might land some good shots over the fisrt 4 or 5 round but Bowe would countrol the fight with his faster and better jab.As Bruno tires in the 2nd half of the fight he would go into melt down and get stopped while still on his feet.
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Re: Prime Bruno - Prime Bowe
Remember what I said the other say that hes overrated?
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Can't see how anyone could claim that Riddick Bowe could beat the 60's Ali - that is just a foolish statement.
No it isn't Ali struggled with much lesser fighters than Bowe, a 100 percent in shape Bowe would give Ali all he could handle.
I mean really Bowe "in shape" did anyone actually ever see him in shape? :(
ICB you've gotta be kidding man.... I mean really Riddick Bowe beating Ali (60's).....
I sware I try to imagine it but even that I can't do. :(
I mean really Bowe beating Ali....
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