Revive Old Fighters To Compete In This Era.

Heavyweight = Mike Tyson
Cruiserweight = Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight = Michael Spinks
Super Middleweight = Nigel Benn
Middleweight = Julian Jackson
Jr Middleweight = Terry Norris
Welterweight = Thomas Hearns or Sugar Ray Robinson can't decide.
Jr Welterweight = Aaron Pryor
Lightweight = Pernell Whitaker
Super Featherweight = Julio Cesar Chavez
Featherweight = Salvador Sanchez
Super Bantamweight = Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Ruben Olivares
Super Flyweight = Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight = Pancho Villa
Jr Flyweight = Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez

Jack Johnson

Heavyweight = Mike Tyson--Prime Foreman slower then Tyson but hit harderwould serve him well against the big guys of today

Cruiserweight = Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight = Michael Spinks
Super Middleweight = Nigel Benn
Middleweight = Julian Jackson--A fight I think would be good is McClellen Vs Pavlik....IMO Kelly starches Julian

Jr Middleweight = Terry Norris-- Mike McCallum

Welterweight = Thomas Hearns or Sugar Ray Robinson can't decide--Hearns he fits in both catagories...a tall lany boxer like Williams (who I think Tommy Starches inside of 5)...and a brawler/slugger with power like Cotto and Cintron

Jr Welterweight = Aaron Pryor--IMO Hatton is still the man at 140 but Pryor would beat him up severly in a toe to toe fight

Lightweight = Pernell Whitaker--Duran...Would like to see How the Baby Bull would do in there with him


Super Featherweight = Julio Cesar Chavez--Manny and Chavez would be one of the most exciting fights ever

Featherweight = Salvador Sanchez
Super Bantamweight = Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Ruben Olivares
Super Flyweight = Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight = Pancho Villa
Jr Flyweight = Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez

I'd like to revive some of the great MW and LHW's of days past, especially the LHW's...MW Robinson, Zale, Fulmer, Hagler, Monzon, LHWs Billy Conn, Tommy Loughran, Bob Foster, and Archie Moore. Those divisions used to be so exciting. I wish Roy Jones had fought in a better era for SMW and LHW. Wouldn't it have been great to see Roy fight Foster, Moore, or Conn? He probably wins two of those three, but I would love to see what Roy would have done against Foster's reach and power and Conn's speed and skill.

As to not repeat names....

Bob Foster
Dick Tiger
Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello
Eder Jofre
Eusebio Pedroza
Gilberto Roman
Miguel Canto
Humberto Gonzalez

Jofre and Graziano would be great

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Jofre and Graziano would be great

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Could you imagine 'The Golden Bantam' around today?
Fighting the likes of Rafael, Israel or Hasegawa....
Possibly having Mijares & Montiel move up and face him there...
Wow...
Rafael vs. Jofre at 118.... :o

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Jofre and Graziano would be great

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Could you imagine 'The Golden Bantam' around today?
Fighting the likes of Rafael, Israel or Hasegawa....
Possibly having Mijares & Montiel move up and face him there...
Wow...
Rafael vs. Jofre at 118.... :o

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...and the winner fights Vasquez

Sounds incredible. The 'Golden Bantam' is a true legend.

Some others.

Johnny Tapia
Charles Burley
Jimmy Wilde
Danny Lopez
Jeff Fenech
Carl "Bobo" Olson
Jake Lamotta
Bobby Chacon
Azumah Nelson
Ray Mancini
Wilfred Benitez
Floyd Patterson = At Light Heavyweight.

Others that have come to mind:

Emile (vs. Cotto at 147) :o
Paez Sr.
Oba
Harada
Chang
Sugar Ramos
Carlos Ortiz
Gavilan
Watanabe
Saldivar
Ceferino
Pintor
Chocolate

ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

I'd like to revive some of the great MW and LHW's of days past, especially the LHW's...MW Robinson, Zale, Fulmer, Hagler, Monzon, LHWs Billy Conn, Tommy Loughran, Bob Foster, and Archie Moore. Those divisions used to be so exciting. I wish Roy Jones had fought in a better era for SMW and LHW. Wouldn't it have been great to see Roy fight Foster, Moore, or Conn? He probably wins two of those three, but I would love to see what Roy would have done against Foster's reach and power and Conn's speed and skill.

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I think he, ROy Jones Jr, is way too fast for Conn. A guy who realies on his speed is in big trouble when he fighitng somebody much faster than him. I think Moore would have gone more like Jones-Toney, who at that time was as good as Moore IMO, and then Foster, its hard to say because Roy had that ability to dominate anyone regardless of how good they were, but Foster was intelligent and would make this a close fight, another guy is Ezzard Charles, but I think he loses for similar reasons as Conn, but its a closer fight. I would have liked to have seen the Zale's, Robinson's, Monson's, Hagler's back in the early 90's at MW, but right now its all about the ww's and i would love to see Robinson, Duran, Leonard, Hearns all come back from that category, I would love to see Carbajal fight Calderon, PAcquaio fight Pep, Marquez or Vazquez fight Wilfredo Gomez or Azumah Nelson. A few years ago it would have been interesting to throw 130 Mayweather in the MOrrales, Barrera, Pacquaio Mix.

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ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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'The President' Fucken! great call there. :thumb:
Ike vs. Wladdy :o

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ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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'The President' Fucken! great call there. :thumb:
Ike vs. Wladdy :o

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Ike would have destroyed Wlad.

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ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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'The President' Fucken! great call there. :thumb:
Ike vs. Wladdy :o

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Ike would have destroyed Wlad.

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I wish we'd know on Ike,he was a really streaky fighter,I think it would have taken him getting and holding a belt to know who he really was.He beat top notch opponents,but then he'd turn around and look very ordinary against lesser opposition.
So much potential just thrown away

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ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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'The President' Fucken! great call there. :thumb:
Ike vs. Wladdy :o

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Ike would have destroyed Wlad.

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ICB sometimes your posts make me laugh.
When you do this...
You'll go into a thread and just post "_________ would destroy _______"
and that's it.
It's so easy to type it and possibly break it down.
Let me guess: Wlads chin & stamina?
Ikes: Skills & Style?

All that is true but still can't really determine the outcome.
Wlads an exceptional fighter and has shown he can get up from the canvas and fight back. Even after all the knockdowns he's been in tell me when has he stayed down on the canvas? He always trys to get back up regardless how hurt he has been. Ike showed tremndous determination and skills early in his career. Take the Tua fight depending on what side of the coin you view you can say it was a hell of performance by Ike or you can also say he had a hard time with Tua? It all depends on how you view it.

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Originally Posted by Headson

ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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'The President' Fucken! great call there. :thumb:
Ike vs. Wladdy :o

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Ike would have destroyed Wlad.

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I wish we'd know on Ike,he was a really streaky fighter,I think it would have taken him getting and holding a belt to know who he really was.He beat top notch opponents,but then he'd turn around and look very ordinary against lesser opposition.
So much potential just thrown away

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Good assesment on Ike TM...

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Headson

ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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'The President' Fucken! great call there. :thumb:
Ike vs. Wladdy :o

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Ike would have destroyed Wlad.

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ICB sometimes your posts make me laugh.
When you do this...
You'll go into a thread and just post "_________ would destroy _______"
and that's it.
It's so easy to type it and possibly break it down.
Let me guess: Wlads chin & stamina?
Ikes: Skills & Style?

All that is true but still can't really determine the outcome.
Wlads an exceptional fighter and has shown he can get up from the canvas and fight back. Even after all the knockdowns he's been in tell me when has he stayed up? He always trys to get back up regardless how hurt he has been. Ike showed tremndous determination and skills early in his career. Take the Tua fight depending on what side of the coin you view you can say it was a hell of performance by Ike or you can also say he had a hard time with Tua? It all depends on how you view it.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Headson

ike ibeabuchi
ezzard charles
pascual perez
marvin hagler
terry norris
johnny tapia

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'The President' Fucken! great call there. :thumb:
Ike vs. Wladdy :o

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Ike would have destroyed Wlad.

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I wish we'd know on Ike,he was a really streaky fighter,I think it would have taken him getting and holding a belt to know who he really was.He beat top notch opponents,but then he'd turn around and look very ordinary against lesser opposition.
So much potential just thrown away

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Good assesment on Ike TM...

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ICB sometimes your posts make me laugh.
When you do this...
You'll go into a thread and just post "_________ would destroy _______"
and that's it.

I do that to provoke a response so i can get good debate going and its worked hasn't it ?? now i will give you my reasons.

and that's it.
It's so easy to type it and possibly break it down.
Let me guess: Wlads chin & stamina?
Ikes: Skills & Style?

First off Wladimir tires out very quickly now im not sure why because he looks to be in good condition.
Maybe its because of nervous energy like Jermain Taylor ?? But whatever the reason bad stamina vs Ike is big trouble already. Plus Wladimir has suspect chin and against someone like Ike Ibeabuchi who hits like a cannon ball thats already two reason's why he doesn't fair well against Ike.

Wladimir has good skills, and a great jab but he has bad weaknesses that someone like Ike could expose. Ike's work rate is amazing he would force Wladimir to fight hard, i know Wladimir has made some improvements but he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit in the world, slow plodding Peter who is very poor mans Ike Ibeabuchi managed to KD Wladimir 3 times. I really don't think Wladimir would be able to keep up with the pace Ike sets and it would be only a matter of time unti Wladimir starts to badly fade under the high work rate and then Ike lands huge crushing blow on Wladimir's chin and thats all she wrote.

Ike wins by KO/TKO in 6th.

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

ICB sometimes your posts make me laugh.
When you do this...
You'll go into a thread and just post "_________ would destroy _______"
and that's it.

I do that to provoke a response so i can get good debate going and its worked hasn't it ?? now i will give you my reasons.

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Careful with what you wish for.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

and that's it.
It's so easy to type it and possibly break it down.
Let me guess: Wlads chin & stamina?
Ikes: Skills & Style?

First off Wladimir tires out very quickly now im not sure why because he looks to be in good condition.
Maybe its because of nervous energy like Jermain Taylor ?? But whatever the reason bad stamina vs Ike is big trouble already. Plus Wladimir has suspect chin and against someone like Ike Ibeabuchi who hits like a cannon ball thats already two reason's why he doesn't fair well against Ike.

Wladimir has good skills, and a great jab but he has bad weaknesses that someone like Ike could expose. Ike's work rate is amazing he would force Wladimir to fight hard, i know Wladimir has made some improvements but he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit in the world, slow plodding Peter who is very poor mans Ike Ibeabuchi managed to KD Wladimir 3 times. I really don't think Wladimir would be able to keep up with the pace Ike sets and it would be only a matter of time unti Wladimir starts to badly fade under the high work rate and then Ike lands huge crushing blow on Wladimir's chin and thats all she wrote.

Ike wins by KO/TKO in 6th.

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I can agree with a lot of what you said. To be fair to Peter he's vastly improved A LOT.... He was punching well and was putting punches together. I could def. see an Ike TKO happening but I wouldn't say it so confidently.

Lets be fair,Ike's an "I dont know"
Sort of like how I view baby Joe,until a guy has a target on their back as champ,you just dont know what you have there

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

I'd like to revive some of the great MW and LHW's of days past, especially the LHW's...MW Robinson, Zale, Fulmer, Hagler, Monzon, LHWs Billy Conn, Tommy Loughran, Bob Foster, and Archie Moore. Those divisions used to be so exciting. I wish Roy Jones had fought in a better era for SMW and LHW. Wouldn't it have been great to see Roy fight Foster, Moore, or Conn? He probably wins two of those three, but I would love to see what Roy would have done against Foster's reach and power and Conn's speed and skill.

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I think he, ROy Jones Jr, is way too fast for Conn. A guy who realies on his speed is in big trouble when he fighitng somebody much faster than him. I think Moore would have gone more like Jones-Toney, who at that time was as good as Moore IMO, and then Foster, its hard to say because Roy had that ability to dominate anyone regardless of how good they were, but Foster was intelligent and would make this a close fight, another guy is Ezzard Charles, but I think he loses for similar reasons as Conn, but its a closer fight. I would have liked to have seen the Zale's, Robinson's, Monson's, Hagler's back in the early 90's at MW, but right now its all about the ww's and i would love to see Robinson, Duran, Leonard, Hearns all come back from that category, I would love to see Carbajal fight Calderon, PAcquaio fight Pep, Marquez or Vazquez fight Wilfredo Gomez or Azumah Nelson. A few years ago it would have been interesting to throw 130 Mayweather in the MOrrales, Barrera, Pacquaio Mix.

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Conn would have been a very close fight because he had skill as well as speed. He was the technically more sound fighter, but I can see Jones winning. Burt Sugar actually predicted that off all the LHW in history, Conn is one of the few that might beat Jones. Charles might have been the other. I agree that Jones/Moore would look a lot like Jones/Toney, although I think at LHW, it would be closer because more in his prime wouldn't have been weight drained like Toney was at SMW. I just rewatched Jones Toney and I had forgotten how really lopsided it was for Jones. It was pretty much a shutout, and that's coming from a big Toney fan. I think Moore would have let his hands go a little more and done a better job cutting off the ring, but I would give Jones the edge in the end.

FYI, I didn't break out those names to detract from Jones. It's not Jones's fault that he fought in a relatively weak era for LHW's and he beat who was out their when they were out there. I like it when ATG's get the chance to fight other ATG's in their primes, and Jones didn't have anybody to push him. Even in his absolute prime, Foster, Moore, and Conn would have made interesting, exciting fights where the outcome wasn't a forgone conclusion, like most of Jones Jrs fights.

Tony Ayala vs. Fernando Vargas - both in their primes.

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

ICB sometimes your posts make me laugh.
When you do this...
You'll go into a thread and just post "_________ would destroy _______"
and that's it.

I do that to provoke a response so i can get good debate going and its worked hasn't it ?? now i will give you my reasons.

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Careful with what you wish for.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

and that's it.
It's so easy to type it and possibly break it down.
Let me guess: Wlads chin & stamina?
Ikes: Skills & Style?

First off Wladimir tires out very quickly now im not sure why because he looks to be in good condition.
Maybe its because of nervous energy like Jermain Taylor ?? But whatever the reason bad stamina vs Ike is big trouble already. Plus Wladimir has suspect chin and against someone like Ike Ibeabuchi who hits like a cannon ball thats already two reason's why he doesn't fair well against Ike.

Wladimir has good skills, and a great jab but he has bad weaknesses that someone like Ike could expose. Ike's work rate is amazing he would force Wladimir to fight hard, i know Wladimir has made some improvements but he isn't exactly hardest guy to hit in the world, slow plodding Peter who is very poor mans Ike Ibeabuchi managed to KD Wladimir 3 times. I really don't think Wladimir would be able to keep up with the pace Ike sets and it would be only a matter of time unti Wladimir starts to badly fade under the high work rate and then Ike lands huge crushing blow on Wladimir's chin and thats all she wrote.

Ike wins by KO/TKO in 6th.

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I can agree with a lot of what you said. To be fair to Peter he's vastly improved A LOT.... He was punching well and was putting punches together. I could def. see an Ike TKO happening but I wouldn't say it so confidently.

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Careful with what you wish for.... Wink

Nothing wrong in good old debate, i enjoy debating with you and i knew you would reply to my comment earlier and then we could debate :)

If Ike gets released he still could destroy Wlad as Ike will not be 35 till feb he could still be a threat.

Bring back.....Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Pryor, Ali, Tyson, Lopez, Chavez, Frazier, Liston, Marciano, Foster, Holmes, SRR, Lamotta, Louis, Gomez, Benitez please santa....through them all in with todays fighters and bwoiii we would have some SERIOUS match ups on our hands!! :D