Here's the Hopkins 'White Boy' incident

Not sure if this clip has been put on here before, but today was the first time I saw it.

Good bit of banter between Calzaghe and Hopkins.

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Hmm the youtube auto embed doesn't seem to work any more :(

Ah well the link is here.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NtB0gD6O_Ak

Bernard is the one who sounded punch drunk and I think he is more worried than he is trying to let on. He was the one who walked away first Joe stood his ground and B-Hop is foolish to dismiss Kessler like that. Get em whitey!

After seeing that footage i do think he crossed the line a bit..

I thought it was kind of like a "okay white boy, you can't beat me" type of thing but it wasn't.

then after saying it 5 times he says "i'll never lose to a white person".. no need.

I just hope that this doesn't turn into a black and white thing, because that aint what its about. If it does people should remember who instigated it. I think Hopkins' comments are disgusting, but no doubt he'll get away with them. What would happen if Calzaghe had said "no black boy's gonna beat me"?

I think Joe should say that just to turn it around, lets see the reaction from the black community. Al Sharpton would be on his ass like white on rice....pun intended.

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After seeing that footage i do think he crossed the line a bit..

I thought it was kind of like a "okay white boy, you can't beat me" type of thing but it wasn't.

then after saying it 5 times he says "i'll never lose to a white person".. no need.

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agreed !

Although I'm sure B-Hop isnt a racist, its just a retarded thing to say. He may be trying to use mind games but c'mon man dont be ignorant.

it seems more like mind games to me im not suprise its b-hop maybe he's hyping the potential match

What really pisses me off is when Joe says "you lost to Jermain Taylor twice man" B-Hop says "you really think I lost those fights?" Joe is then diplomatic and says "ok, 50-50" (coz the first one was close) and then B-Hop steams over him with his loud fucking voice.

B-Hop is an arsehole. Playing the race card just shows he's rattled IMO. Trouble is, he's a supremely talented arsehole.

Still, Joe is fighting sensationally and I think he will outwork B-Hop. Winky showed how to beat Bernard - keep him working for 12 hard rounds. Trouble was Winky didn't have the size or punch to worry Hopkins. Hopefully Joe's harder punches and bigger engine will be the difference.

Just quit bullshitting and sign the damn fight, you know they're gonna fight. Split the fight 60/40 B-Hop have the fight in Millenium Stadium and show it on PPV in the states. Make it happen already!! Summer 2008

I don't think it is in bernard's best interest to to goad joe like that, Joe is at his best when he is motivated and ups his game in big fights, he looked phenomenal punishing lacy and kessler and they didn't talk trash. also I would rather this fight happen in states coz that is the only knock on Joe's career (Europe champion)

I want Joe to beat Bernard's black behind!

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I don't think it is in bernard's best interest to to goad joe like that, Joe is at his best when he is motivated and ups his game in big fights, he looked phenomenal punishing lacy and kessler and they didn't talk trash. also I would rather this fight happen in states coz that is the only knock on Joe's career (Europe champion)

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B Hop has always been like this. He pushed Winky's face at the way in, he stole Tito's national flag at a press conference too.

Personally I think this is the kind of stuff that boxing needs more of. They are going to fight after all, since when do two people about to beat each other up need to be diplomatice.

People want to see rivalries, they want to see animosity and hatred so that it becomes personal when they fight.

Since when has any fight in history had less of an audience because one or other of the fighters went OTT in the buildup?

Most hardcore fans thing Hopkins is old and won't be competitive against a younger Calzaghe. Some say they just arn't really interested in the fight.

Hopkins' attacking Calzaghe and the two having a big fued going on is just the kind of hype that the fight needs to make it sell.

B Hop is doing his job in hyping the fight and making us want to see it.

I salute him!

i must say i would love to see calzaghe whup hopkins hop showed his true colors --he is a racist pure and simple.........if calzaghe made similar comments against hop --aside from it being equally as vile---he would be publicly scorned and likely his career would be over...seriously.....actually i think it reveals how nervous hop is --joe didnt look a bit scared he actually looked amused and almost like he pitied hop----

go joe

Hopkins isn't a racist. The fact that Joe is a white boy proves that.

Problem is America is the most racist country in the world and only recently gave blacks rights. So it's expected. Joe won't take it to heart or even care he is way bigger than that.

Fact that Joe is Italian says something as well. Rocky Marciano the undefeated.

Dropping bombs on the Americans there wasp.

I wasn't offended at all by B-Hops comments..cos there BS.

But look when Alan Minter tried that one with Hagler.He got so much stick,it is a ridiculous double standard.

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Hopkins isn't a racist. The fact that Joe is a white boy proves that.

Problem is America is the most racist country in the world and only recently gave blacks rights. So it's expected. Joe won't take it to heart or even care he is way bigger than that.

Fact that Joe is Italian says something as well. Rocky Marciano the undefeated.

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:coolclick: Well said, I thought I was the only person on here capable of seeing this.

To use an analogy, it's like a school with a huge bullying problem, with certain big kids beating the crap out of little kids, taking their lunch money and stealing their phones and ipods.

Then a huge crackdown and zero tolerance is implemented to ban the bullying and everyone is told to behave or else.

If the former bullies were then in those circumstances to say something nasty to the white kids it would very likely be seen as threatening in the light of past bullying behaviour.

If the bullied kids were caught making comments however, although they would probably be told to behave for the sake of peace and harmony their comments would not be considered bullying but rather a result of the bitter aftertaste of having being bullied.

Unfortunately most people on here (and in the world) seem to think that since we have 'in theory' created equal rights and anti racist laws now that the sins of the past should be completely erased and forgotten and that any past grievances should be 'gotten over'.

They think that now we are all the same and equal with the slate wiped clean and so any language or negative behaviour used by either side should be viewed through the same distorted lens.

Unfortunately in real life history cannot just be forgotten or erased and resentment and bad feeling between races will likely linger for hundreds of years.

I know Lyle will be all over this and tell us how HE has never been racist but that is completely against the point.

The history of the world and the human races does not begin and end with each new generation it is an ongoing continium.

For those who believe in religion were are born into sin as a result of our ancestors transgression against God, for those who believe in evolution we are the evolutionary result of all the mutations that have gone on before us, in both scenario's our ancestors past directly affects us and so it is with race relations.

I am greatly appreciative of the fact that at least one other person on the board can see that. Oh and Trainer Monkey too. :)

Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white fuck because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

I think what he's saying Tins06 is that's just the way it is.

I guess some people may see it one way and others another. I see nothing wrong with it, just a bit of fun.
You could even say Hopkins lost that conversation as soon as he brought insults into it.

B-Hop is my favorite boxer! Comin from North Philadelphia(98% black )I can see WHERE those comments came from, but there is absolutely no reason in the world those words should've left his mouth! I feel ashamed by his actions and hope he will find it necissary to offer an open, from the heart aplology to Joe and all his fans! Bernard KNOWS Joe is capable of beating him, thats what makes a BIG fight, when BOTH guys are capable of victory! Joe is probably the SMARTEST boxer Bernard has ever faced since the Roy Jones fight! He knows Joe is GOOD! Bernard let the situation get the best of him and that shows he has some worries! With all that said I'm STILL a BIG B-Hop fan and I still beleive he beats Calzaghe easily, even he doesn't beleive it himself! Calzaghe can only win by points, so a points loss to Joe Calzaghe won't stop B-Hop from goin into the Hall of Fame! Same thing for Joe, even if he loses to an OLDER B-Hop he'll still get in also!

Again, that was a very disrespectful, ignorant, comment made by B-Hop! He's a role model in our city, especially the inner city, so I feel as though he should be held accountable for his rascist remarks!

ALL JOKES ASIDE! JOE CALZAGHE IS NOT YA AVERAGE WHITE BOY!!!!
THIS DUDE CAN FUCKIN FIGHT!! REAL TALK!!!!

Hopkins is athletically gifted and in tremendous shape for 40+ but a deteoriated fighter from a pure skill standpoint, he has supplemented his waning skills by using questionable tactics and is nothing more than a hold and hit fighter who resembles MMA clinches more than boxing matches.

He should have retired after the 2nd Taylor loss. Then he moved up to 175 to fight Tarver and really started to employ the over excessive hitting and holding tactics.. No one really cared because it was Tarver and everyone hates the guys guts..The Winky fight really had me hate Hopkins and his boring 5 punches a round and only 2 are legal. He uses these tactics now since his skills arent there anymore...

I really hope Calzaghe takes him to the woodshed and beats the ignorance out of him  ::**

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Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

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The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss. ::**

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

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The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss. ::**

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

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Fair Point..cc

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

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The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss. ::**

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

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How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

Your going completely off the subject, your 2nd comment has nothing to do with Hopkins implying White people are inferior.

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

What has that got to with Hopkins implying what he did ?? if all people thought that way the whole world would be racist.

And all your other comments are completely off the subject, when i was a young i had people call me racist names and im white. So does that mean i have to become a racist myself ?? there is a lot racism everywhere not just for black people. But that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to come out with racist comments yourself sorry but i totally disagree.

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

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The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss. ::**

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

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How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

Your going completely off the subject, your 2nd comment has nothing to do with Hopkins implying White people are inferior.

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

What has that got to with Hopkins implying what he did ?? if all people thought that way the whole world would be racist.

And all your other comments are completely off the subject, when i was a young i had people call me racist names and im white. So does that mean i have to become a racist myself ?? there is a lot racism everywhere not just for black people. But that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to come out with racist comments yourself sorry but i totally disagree.

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It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!' ::**

It had nothing to do with racism whatsoever, he's just trying to get a mental edge over Calzaghe and also trying to hype up a potential fight.

He's a salesman and a predator who got into 'fighting' character.

I personally think he did exactly the right thing because even now people are still talking about it ;)

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

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The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss. ::**

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

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How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

Your going completely off the subject, your 2nd comment has nothing to do with Hopkins implying White people are inferior.

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

What has that got to with Hopkins implying what he did ?? if all people thought that way the whole world would be racist.

And all your other comments are completely off the subject, when i was a young i had people call me racist names and im white. So does that mean i have to become a racist myself ?? there is a lot racism everywhere not just for black people. But that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to come out with racist comments yourself sorry but i totally disagree.

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It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!' ::**

It had nothing to do with racism whatsoever, he's just trying to get a mental edge over Calzaghe and also trying to hype up a potential fight.

He's a salesman and a predator who got into 'fighting' character.

I personally think he did exactly the right thing because even now people are still talking about it ;)

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It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

There are other ways to hype a fight than racist comments, im sorry Bilbo if i sound like im ranting on. But i totally disagree a lot of people go through some sort of racism in there life. But that doesn't mean you have to become a racist yourself thats a poor excuse IMO. because it doesn't matter what color you are, everyone is a human being everyone is an individual, like i said when i was really young i had people call me racist comments, but i realize thats only certain individual's, it doesn't mean i have to hate a whole race because of it.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

Well thats totally different because thats a swear word and that would not be implying anything racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!' ::**

Yes he mentioned a skin color and implied that white people are inferior, of course that is a racist. Because he is disrespecting a whole race.

I suppose this argument has far far to many opinions.......But if we get back to thread topic.. You would think a man whose words will travel across the globe..would try his hardest not to insult a fair percentage of its population.

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Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

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The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss. ::**

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

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How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

Your going completely off the subject, your 2nd comment has nothing to do with Hopkins implying White people are inferior.

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

What has that got to with Hopkins implying what he did ?? if all people thought that way the whole world would be racist.

And all your other comments are completely off the subject, when i was a young i had people call me racist names and im white. So does that mean i have to become a racist myself ?? there is a lot racism everywhere not just for black people. But that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to come out with racist comments yourself sorry but i totally disagree.

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It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!' ::**

It had nothing to do with racism whatsoever, he's just trying to get a mental edge over Calzaghe and also trying to hype up a potential fight.

He's a salesman and a predator who got into 'fighting' character.

I personally think he did exactly the right thing because even now people are still talking about it ;)

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It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

There are other ways to hype a fight than racist comments, im sorry Bilbo if i sound like im ranting on. But i totally disagree a lot of people go through some sort of racism in there life. But that doesn't mean you have to become a racist yourself thats a poor excuse IMO. because it doesn't matter what color you are, everyone is a human being everyone is an individual, like i said when i was really young i had people call me racist comments, but i realize thats only certain individual's, it doesn't mean i have to hate a whole race because of it.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

Well thats totally different because thats a swear word and that would not be implying anything racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!' ::**

Yes he mentioned a skin color and implied that white people are inferior, of course that is a racist. Because he is disrespecting a whole race.

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That quote of yours pretty much sums up the lunacy of the argument in my mind. He could have made a personal attack on Calzaghe and you would have been fine with it but because he made a vague generalistation applied to nobody in particular you take issue with it.

It also highlights another point. You're not against name calling or abuse just ones that have a racist connotation.

Well if it wasn't for the past actions of white men there wouldn't be any 'racism' to get up in arms about and remark about colour would mean no more than a remark about height, weight, physical appearance, educational background etc.

We only brought in anti racism laws and etiquette to protect blacks and other minorities from racist abuse from whites I just find it completely absurd that when a black man makes a remark about whites it's seen as the same kind of racism as enslaving a population, torturing, killing, raping, subjecating and exploiting them.

Remember the racist laws wern't to protect people from 'name calling' it was from real racist actions like those above.

Hopkins just made a boastful remark, their was no element of racism in it.

You seem incapable of seperating a racist action from a bitchy remark.

If someone set fire to your car it would be an act of vandalism.

If someone said 'my car is faster than yours' what does even have to do with vandalism?

Likewise if someone abuses, intimidates, threatens, exploits a person because of their colour its racism.

If two fighters who are both equal to each other engage in a slanging match to try and hype a fight and get a mental edge over their opponent what has race even got to do with it?

You're getting all hung up because he mentioned a colour but it's completely out of context with real racism.

I actually wanted Hopkins to win being from Philly and all.But with that whole white boy thing.F**K him racist piece of s**t.Hope Calzaghe as he says slaps the hell out of him.

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Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

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The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss. ::**

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

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How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

Your going completely off the subject, your 2nd comment has nothing to do with Hopkins implying White people are inferior.

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

What has that got to with Hopkins implying what he did ?? if all people thought that way the whole world would be racist.

And all your other comments are completely off the subject, when i was a young i had people call me racist names and im white. So does that mean i have to become a racist myself ?? there is a lot racism everywhere not just for black people. But that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to come out with racist comments yourself sorry but i totally disagree.

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It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!' ::**

It had nothing to do with racism whatsoever, he's just trying to get a mental edge over Calzaghe and also trying to hype up a potential fight.

He's a salesman and a predator who got into 'fighting' character.

I personally think he did exactly the right thing because even now people are still talking about it ;)

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It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

There are other ways to hype a fight than racist comments, im sorry Bilbo if i sound like im ranting on. But i totally disagree a lot of people go through some sort of racism in there life. But that doesn't mean you have to become a racist yourself thats a poor excuse IMO. because it doesn't matter what color you are, everyone is a human being everyone is an individual, like i said when i was really young i had people call me racist comments, but i realize thats only certain individual's, it doesn't mean i have to hate a whole race because of it.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

Well thats totally different because thats a swear word and that would not be implying anything racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!' ::**

Yes he mentioned a skin color and implied that white people are inferior, of course that is a racist. Because he is disrespecting a whole race.

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That quote of yours pretty much sums up the lunacy of the argument in my mind. He could have made a personal attack on Calzaghe and you would have been fine with it but because he made a vague generalistation applied to nobody in particular you take issue with it.

It also highlights another point. You're not against name calling or abuse just ones that have a racist connotation.

Well if it wasn't for the past actions of white men there wouldn't be any 'racism' to get up in arms about and remark about colour would mean no more than a remark about height, weight, physical appearance, educational background etc.

We only brought in anti racism laws and etiquette to protect blacks and other minorities from racist abuse from whites I just find it completely absurd that when a black man makes a remark about whites it's seen as the same kind of racism as enslaving a population, torturing, killing, raping, subjecating and exploiting them.

Remember the racist laws wern't to protect people from 'name calling' it was from real racist actions like those above.

Hopkins just made a boastful remark, their was no element of racism in it.

You seem incapable of seperating a racist action from a bitchy remark.

If someone set fire to your car it would be an act of vandalism.

If someone said 'my car is faster than yours' what does even have to do with vandalism?

Likewise if someone abuses, intimidates, threatens, exploits a person because of their colour its racism.

If two fighters who are both equal to each other engage in a slanging match to try and hype a fight and get a mental edge over their opponent what has race even got to do with it?

You're getting all hung up because he mentioned a colour but it's completely out of context with real racism.

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That quote of yours pretty much sums up the lunacy of the argument in my mind. He could have made a personal attack on Calzaghe and you would have been fine with it but because he made a vague generalistation applied to nobody in particular you take issue with it.

Well thats obvious Bilbo of course im am going to take it personal when someone disrespect's my race. Why would i take it personal some guy calling another guy a kunt ?? i thinks its lunacy that you think i should take it personal if Hopkins made personal attack against Calzaghe. Of course its different when someone disrespect's your race maybe you don't mind it but i do and i take it personal.

It also highlights another point. You're not against name calling or abuse just ones that have a racist connotation.

Oh i am against name calling i don't like name calling either, i just find it more disrespectful when someone has to bring a whole race into it.

Well if it wasn't for the past actions of white men there wouldn't be any 'racism' to get up in arms about and remark about colour would mean no more than a remark about height, weight, physical appearance, educational background etc.

That was then this is now, who cares about the past when you wasn't even around in that time ?? if we all thought that way then the whole world would be racist.

that when a black man makes a remark about whites it's seen as the same kind of racism as enslaving a population, torturing, killing, raping, subjecating and exploiting them.

Actually you got that one mixed up, if Calzaghe would of made a racist attack about black people. I guarantee you wouldn't of heard the end of it, plus it would of been considered an outrage.

You seem incapable of seperating a racist action from a bitchy remark.

Or maybe you think its acceptable to disrespect someone's race ??

If two fighters who are both equal to each other engage in a slanging match to try and hype a fight and get a mental edge over their opponent what has race even got to do with it?

Hopkins brought race into it when he didn't have to, stop making excuses for him. There is no excuse for disrespecting a race.

It's just more blah blah blah to me. Behind the scenes most people are racist in some way or form but act like it's so dispickable when some celeb says it. I bet way worse has been said in the ring and away from the camera's between fighters. Maybe hop really feels that way or maybe he's pullin a mayweather and just trying to get a reaction which always generates cash for the people who say crap like this. I gotta lean towards the side of the "Man" in this one, i see joe beating him. Black white or otherwise...

theres never no need to say things of that nature, i'm a hopkins fan but didnt find thoses coments at all needed.

if they sign the fight then we'll see whos bluffing who when they get in the ring, but joes the fav for this as hopkins isn't the fighter he once was and at 43 he'll find it hard to cope with joes high output, but you never know

Problem is America is the most racist country in the world and only recently gave blacks rights.


Wasp, you are kidding right? I think America is one of the least racist countries. How in the hell can you say that when we have the most diverse ethnic make-up of any country in the world. People are dying to come here to be ostricized and segregated, yep that's good ole U.S.A. ::**

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Problem is America is the most racist country in the world and only recently gave blacks rights.


Wasp, you are kidding right? I think America is one of the least racist countries. How in the hell can you say that when we have the most diverse ethnic make-up of any country in the world. People are dying to come here to be ostricized and segregated, yep that's good ole U.S.A. ::**

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What do Tom Hayden and Jerry Brown not have in common with Lawerence Fishburn,and Morgan Freeman?
They can get a cab

Lawrence Fishburn and Morgan Freeman ride in Limosines.

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Lawrence Fishburn and Morgan Freeman ride in Limosines.

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Most actors in NYC use Cabs,Limo's are a complete pain in the ass in New York.
Well unless you never care about reaching your destination,let alone anything resembling on time

I take what he said with a grain of salt. It was really no big deal and with the over use of political correctness out there these days it was kind of refreshing. I'm as white as you can get and not offended as long as it was only a one off remark.

I do wonder if Joe would have said "And I will never lose to a black man" back to Bernard if he would have been called out by the media on it?

The one thing that bugs me about this is, if Bernard and Calzaghe end up trying to sell this fight as being some race war ethnic bullshit, like Cooney/Holmes was, they both deserve to have their licenses suspended. We are supposed to be way beyond that BS and it should not be tolerated.

I couldnt speak about NYC because I've never been there, but out here in Cali someone would get sued for discrimination.

Try looking at somebodies world,before you judge them by yours
Want to guess what would happen if Bernard tried to buy a house on Tasker and 15th?
Or northeast Philly
Or heaven forbid not being named Will Smith or Bill Cosby and buy a place on the mainline or Society Hill
We can start with the phrase "fire bomb" and work from there
The words "white boy" is alot nicer then what they call African Americans in those neighborhoods