Does anybody think Hopkins can beat Calzaghe?

IMO Joe wins this fight easy.

Even in Hopkins prime Calzaghe would have a very good chance at beating him.

The best way to beat a counter puncher is to throw puches in 2 or 3s.But Calzaghe throws them in 5 and 6s.

Hopkins has no chance.


Dont be suprised if Hopkins backs out of this fight last minute.

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IMO Joe wins this fight easy.

Even in Hopkins prime Calzaghe would have a very good chance at beating him.

The best way to beat a counter puncher is to throw puches in 2 or 3s.But Calzaghe throws them in 5 and 6s.

Hopkins has no chance.


Dont be suprised if Hopkins backs out of this fight last minute.

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CALZAGHE is bigger stronger faster and better looking. Even at his peak Hopkins would stand no chance against CALZAGHE. Joe has been one of the most underated champs ever and its only in the last few years people are realising just how good he is.

It wouldn't suprise me at all if Hopkins was the betting favourite in the states.

I don't think he has much chance but the yanks will doubtless assume he will win.

Sure calzaghe is great but even the guys who know how great joey is but talk boxing all day every day and know theyr stuff have been caught up in the hype

.. Calzaghe wins easy?

Nobody beats hopkins easy

Joe couldnt have a harder fight if he matched prime for prime against so many people or waited ten years past his prime for the next big superstar..

And about the 5 6 7 punches.. You tell me who ever hit bernard hopkins with more then 2 or 3 punches at the most!?

Exactly.. And the thread is actually shocking me.. Lol.. No diss to joe hes great but the thread should be does anybody think that Joey C can beat bernard..

[size=10pt][size=10pt]Not a chance in hell!!![/size][/size]

Hopkins can beat anybody at any given time. He is that good.

However, given his age and the fact that Calzaghe will most likely be the most skilled fighter he has faced since Jones, the odds are very slim.

wow, I guess I'm streching out a limb here but I do think Hopkins can beat Calzaghe. People counted him out against an undefeated Tito and somewhat against Winky as well but he managed to pull through. I don't know...I think the old man still has a bit left in his tank and may take it Calzaghe.

I suspect Joe would win a close decision but Hopkins' style is almost impossible to look good against, or dominate.

Hopkins can lower Joe's output with his movement, if Joe could trap Hopkins then maybe he could let off five or six punches in a row but Hopkins is hard to trap.

Plus Hopkins knows every trick, and is as rough as they come and Joe has seemed to be bothered by that in the past.

I suspect actually Hopkins would land the cleaner punches with his right hands but Joe would get a decision by outworking him but he wouldn't dominate. Joe has never faced a guy with the defensive skills and smarts of Hopkins, its not even close, nobody in the same ballpark. In fact, has he ever faced a good to great defensive fighter at all? Eubank was good but not anywhere on Hopkins' level defensively. Kessler's solid enough but I wouldn't consider him a great defensive fighter by any means, he's more impressive offensively. Actually now that I think about it, no, he's never faced a very good-great defensive fighter, definitely no one on Hopkins' level.

All that being said, judges favor activity and even though Hopkins will cut Joe's output he'll probably still do enough to get the judges decision in a close fight.

Winky got robbed in that fight. Hopkins should have been DQ'ed in half his fights.

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Winky got robbed in that fight. Hopkins should have been DQ'ed in half his fights.

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lol B-Hop aint that bad but he can be a dirty fucker

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Winky got robbed in that fight. Hopkins should have been DQ'ed in half his fights.

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lol B-Hop aint that bad but he can be a dirty f*****

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lol....OK maybe half is a few too many but you understand. ;)

I dont see it even being close. Calzaghe is right at the zenith of all he can be. Hopkins gets dominated and cruelly.

Will be a final paycheck for Hopkins, I suppose.

A strange way for him to go out, Ive always liked Hopkins a lot. He just cannot hang with this Calzaghe though. Too busy and with the brains to make it work when it counts.

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I dont see it even being close. Calzaghe is right at the zenith of all he can be. Hopkins gets dominated and cruelly.

Will be a final paycheck for Hopkins, I suppose.

A strange way for him to go out, Ive always liked Hopkins a lot. He just cannot hang with this Calzaghe though. Too busy and with the brains to make it work when it counts.

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The only thing Hopkins can do is to try and off set Calzaghe's rhythm with clinches, and dirty fighting. The only problem is that Hopkins is nowhere near active enough to keep up with someone like Calzaghe. Plus Calzaghe punches from all different angles, it will be a rough night for Calzaghe, but i don't see how Hopkins can win to be honest.

I would really be suprised if Hopkins won 3 rounds of this fight.. He cheated Winky out of his last fight. Fighters have been known to finally get to old in a matter of 2 rounds and I think with Calzaghe's workrate and speed this is the end of Hopkins hour glass..

I agree though Hopkins will try to back out at the last minute

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I dont see it even being close. Calzaghe is right at the zenith of all he can be. Hopkins gets dominated and cruelly.

Will be a final paycheck for Hopkins, I suppose.

A strange way for him to go out, Ive always liked Hopkins a lot. He just cannot hang with this Calzaghe though. Too busy and with the brains to make it work when it counts.

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The only thing Hopkins can do is to try and off set Calzaghe's rhythm with clinches, and dirty fighting. The only problem is that Hopkins is nowhere near active enough to keep up with someone like Calzaghe. Plus Calzaghe punches from all different angles, it will be a rough night for Calzaghe, but i don't see how Hopkins can win to be honest.

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Hopkins: Calzaghe at the start of this decade would have been awesome and more of a pick 'em. Now its just Calzaghe all the way. I will still be a little bit surprised if Hopkins actually goes through with this. He usually picks his opponents so carefully.

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I would really be suprised if Hopkins won 3 rounds of this fight.. He cheated Winky out of his last fight. Fighters have been known to finally get to old in a matter of 2 rounds and I think with Calzaghe's workrate and speed this is the end of Hopkins hour glass..

I agree though Hopkins will try to back out at the last minute

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I would rather see Kelly Pavlik vs Joe Calzaghe assuming Pavlik beats Taylor in the rematch. Which i know he will ;)

Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his ass off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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You are a complete cretin. Whats with the pathetic CAPS letters? ::**

Hopkins gets hammered. Deal with it moron.

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another

And anybody who knows anything about the sport will know Hopkins hasn't looked great in his last few fights. His out put is so low i find it hard to believe he can beat punching machine like Calzaghe, throwing 1 punch at a time.

Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

No one is taking anything away from Hopkins people are just being realistic, Hopkins is too old plus there is no way on this earth Hopkins is going to keep up with Calzaghe, so how will Hopkins win ?? he can't KO Calzaghe, he can't out work him, can't out box him, can he make it a rough tough night for Calzaghe ?? yes he can i don't think it will be easy but i really can't see how Hopkins can win.

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before!

So Hopkins has beaten a lot of southpaw fighters, who can throw 1000 punches, plus land punches from all angles ??

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another

And anybody who knows anything about the sport will know Hopkins hasn't looked great in his last few fights. His out put is so low i find it hard to believe he can beat punching machine like Calzaghe, throwing 1 punch at a time.

Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

No one is taking anything away from Hopkins people are just being realistic, Hopkins is too old plus there is no way on this earth Hopkins is going to keep up with Calzaghe, so how will Hopkins win ?? he can't KO Calzaghe, he can't out work him, can't out box him, can he make it a rough tough night for Calzaghe ?? yes he can i don't think it will be easy but i really can't see how Hopkins can win.

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before!

So Hopkins has beaten a lot of southpaw fighters, who can throw 1000 punches, plus land punches from all angles ??

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You guys not givin Bernard enough credit! Joe is a PROBLEM for Bernard! I never said Joe was not good enough! You guys are sayin Bernard is not GOOD enough to even make this a fight! Has Joe ever fought someone close to Bernard's stature?

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another

And anybody who knows anything about the sport will know Hopkins hasn't looked great in his last few fights. His out put is so low i find it hard to believe he can beat punching machine like Calzaghe, throwing 1 punch at a time.

Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

No one is taking anything away from Hopkins people are just being realistic, Hopkins is too old plus there is no way on this earth Hopkins is going to keep up with Calzaghe, so how will Hopkins win ?? he can't KO Calzaghe, he can't out work him, can't out box him, can he make it a rough tough night for Calzaghe ?? yes he can i don't think it will be easy but i really can't see how Hopkins can win.

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before!

So Hopkins has beaten a lot of southpaw fighters, who can throw 1000 punches, plus land punches from all angles ??

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You guys not givin Bernard enough credit! Joe is a PROBLEM for Bernard! I never said Joe was not good enough! You guys are sayin Bernard is not GOOD enough to even make this a fight! Has Joe ever fought someone close to Bernard's stature?

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Bernards stature? Has Hopkins fought anyone on Joe's level. I really think not.

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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You are a complete cretin. Whats with the pathetic CAPS letters? ::**

Hopkins gets hammered. Deal with it moron.

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MORON? WOW! WHATZ WIT THE NAME CALLIN'! I THOUGHT THAT SHIT WASN'T ALLOWED! IF WE WERE FACE TO FACE I BET MY LIFE YOU WOULD TURN AWAY IN FEAR! IF HOPKINS GETS HAMMERED HE GETS HAMMERED, THIS IS A HAMMER SPORT! HE TAKIN A HAMMERING WONT AFFECT MY LIFE IN ANY WAY! I HOPE U CAN LEARN TO TALK WITH PEOPLE RESPECTFULLY EVEN WHEN YOUR OPINIONS DIFFER! BLESS UP!

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another

And anybody who knows anything about the sport will know Hopkins hasn't looked great in his last few fights. His out put is so low i find it hard to believe he can beat punching machine like Calzaghe, throwing 1 punch at a time.

Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

No one is taking anything away from Hopkins people are just being realistic, Hopkins is too old plus there is no way on this earth Hopkins is going to keep up with Calzaghe, so how will Hopkins win ?? he can't KO Calzaghe, he can't out work him, can't out box him, can he make it a rough tough night for Calzaghe ?? yes he can i don't think it will be easy but i really can't see how Hopkins can win.

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before!

So Hopkins has beaten a lot of southpaw fighters, who can throw 1000 punches, plus land punches from all angles ??

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You guys not givin Bernard enough credit! Joe is a PROBLEM for Bernard! I never said Joe was not good enough! You guys are sayin Bernard is not GOOD enough to even make this a fight! Has Joe ever fought someone close to Bernard's stature?

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Did you read anything i said ??

No one is taking anything away from Hopkins people are just being realistic,

can he make it a rough tough night for Calzaghe ?? yes he can i don't think it will be easy but i really can't see how Hopkins can win.

He couldnt take Tarvers power,he couldnt out box Wright,he couldnt take Tito's power,he couldnt he couldnt he couldnt
We'll see what we'll see,but betting against Hopkins is usually a suckers bet

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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I would just like to say I see nothing wrong at all with this post. Why I think Joe will win I really don't see why this poster should get abused for saying what he has said.

He's not saying anything that you pro Calzaghe's are saying about your fighter so why is he a cretin or a moron? ???

Oh and here's a :coolclick: to balance the sadclicks you are probably getting :)

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He couldnt take Tarvers power,he couldnt out box Wright,he couldnt take Tito's power,he couldnt he couldnt he couldnt
We'll see what we'll see,but betting against Hopkins is usually a suckers bet

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Is a strange pattern with Hopkins ain't it.I remember a little article in the ring about the same thing..he cant this,he cant that, But if you look properly you can see.
Tarver was shit,Winky was waaaaaaaaaaay out of his comfort zone,Tito same thing IMO.....Where as with Joe....You got a real quality operator fighting at a weight he will be comfortable if not better at, With the most outrageous workrate Ive ever seen.

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He couldnt take Tarvers power,he couldnt out box Wright,he couldnt take Tito's power,he couldnt he couldnt he couldnt
We'll see what we'll see,but betting against Hopkins is usually a suckers bet

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Is a strange pattern with Hopkins ain't it.I remember a little article in the ring about the same thing..he cant this,he cant that, But if you look properly you can see.
Tarver was S***,Winky was waaaaaaaaaaay out of his comfort zone,Tito same thing IMO.....Where as with Joe....You got a real quality operator fighting at a weight he will be comfortable if not better at, With the most outrageous workrate Ive ever seen.

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cc tins. I agree but Winky still beat him.

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He couldnt take Tarvers power,he couldnt out box Wright,he couldnt take Tito's power,he couldnt he couldnt he couldnt
We'll see what we'll see,but betting against Hopkins is usually a suckers bet

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Who couldn't take Tito's power? Hopkins?

Hopkins was a 3-1 underdog against Tito, but he schooled him. And then knocked him out.

As far as could Hopkins beat Joe - I'd love to see it happen, but have to agree that though he has lots of tools, his output isn't high enough that he's probably going to be able to do it. He'd have to start fast (which he doesn't usually) and stay fast, and make Joe miss (which he probably could) most of the time, while clearly outpointing Joe. I can envision it as a possibility, but not as a likelihood.

If he came on strong and won the first two rounds, befuddling Joe a bit, then he might be able to dominate enough of the rest of the fight and actually do it. I like them both, but Hopkins has been my favorite for years, so I am being a little sentimental about it.

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Winky got robbed in that fight. Hopkins should have been DQ'ed in half his fights.

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THANK YOU. WINKY is ALWAYS Robbed. Hopkins just doesn't have the output to beat calzaghe. Hell Winky beat him and he was way too far up in weight.

I watched Kessler Calzaghe again last night. Anyone that has watched alot of Kessler fights and then saw Joe completely in control for the fight. B-Hop has +450 kindof odds.

Can and will it two different things...definatly hopkins has the ability to beat just about anyone, he's been in the game a long time and has figured just about every way to win a fight even when he is overmatched in certian areas, there isn't a fight out there that i'd ever say hopkins can't win. Will he ?? I doubt it.

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He couldnt take Tarvers power,he couldnt out box Wright,he couldnt take Tito's power,he couldnt he couldnt he couldnt
We'll see what we'll see,but betting against Hopkins is usually a suckers bet

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Who couldn't take Tito's power? Hopkins?

Hopkins was a 3-1 underdog against Tito, but he schooled him. And then knocked him out.

As far as could Hopkins beat Joe - I'd love to see it happen, but have to agree that though he has lots of tools, his output isn't high enough that he's probably going to be able to do it. He'd have to start fast (which he doesn't usually) and stay fast, and make Joe miss (which he probably could) most of the time, while clearly outpointing Joe. I can envision it as a possibility, but not as a likelihood.

If he came on strong and won the first two rounds, befuddling Joe a bit, then he might be able to dominate enough of the rest of the fight and actually do it. I like them both, but Hopkins has been my favorite for years, so I am being a little sentimental about it.

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What Im saying,is betting against Bernard is a way to lose money
He was a hands down underdog in all of the above
It just didnt go that way

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He couldnt take Tarvers power,he couldnt out box Wright,he couldnt take Tito's power,he couldnt he couldnt he couldnt
We'll see what we'll see,but betting against Hopkins is usually a suckers bet

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Who couldn't take Tito's power? Hopkins?

Hopkins was a 3-1 underdog against Tito, but he schooled him. And then knocked him out.

As far as could Hopkins beat Joe - I'd love to see it happen, but have to agree that though he has lots of tools, his output isn't high enough that he's probably going to be able to do it. He'd have to start fast (which he doesn't usually) and stay fast, and make Joe miss (which he probably could) most of the time, while clearly outpointing Joe. I can envision it as a possibility, but not as a likelihood.

If he came on strong and won the first two rounds, befuddling Joe a bit, then he might be able to dominate enough of the rest of the fight and actually do it. I like them both, but Hopkins has been my favorite for years, so I am being a little sentimental about it.

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What Im saying,is betting against Bernard is a way to lose money
He was a hands down underdog in all of the above
It just didnt go that way

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Don't you love it when people can't even be bothered to read your posts properly or are incapable of understanding them :P

What is there not to understand?

Monkey was making a fair point..

This Ske cat was talkking sense and bieng respectfull..So what it was stange he was using caps

But you guys was strait up rude and sarcastic to him..

You say how can bernard deal with what joe has but how can joe deal with what bernard has?

Joe is real good and if he can keep distance and shoot shots whether they go over the shoulder or hit the gloves i think he can score points.. But honestly i dont think there is any hope hopkins will let joe keep distance at the times he wants it..

I think Bernard knows hes got to keep far out of range or far to close in joes chest at the times in which he is doing his thing.. And thats an ugly fight..But thats bernard taking the decision

the only thing really againest hoipkins is his age, at 43 he's not goner be the execustioner anymore, we saw that in his last fight with winky, joes not all that skillful as people say, he's got plenty of stamina and throws over 1000 punchs a fight which will win him the fight. if the hopkins who beat tito was still around then bernard would beat joe but at this stage the old mans to far gone to really be classed fav, but i'd love b-hop to win this, no knock on joe but he's taken the lesser route in his carreer, never taking a trip to the states, never fighting the real big names in the sport, he pulled out twice from fighting glen johnson, he turned down the fight with roy jones, took fghts with bika, manfredo etc etc instead, he fought eubank when simple the best was way pasted his best, plus eubank came out of retirement with 8 days notice and was weight draid, joe still says eubanks was his touighest fight, that sadly is a reflection on how joes gone about his regeign, fighting decent euro boxer, eubank was superb but a shadow of his former self so 10 years later he shouldn't be the toughest fight joes still had

i just dont feel joes done anything to deserve having hopkins name in his win record, his tougest fight to date is a shot 8 day notce eubank, and his biggest win could be againes a 43 year old semi retired hopkins, inbetween his foght alot of guys we dont remember, this should not have been the case, therefore he'll always be discredited in years to come, his unbeaten record will only be for him to be proud of

Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

i dont think hopkins can beat calzaghe


I KNOW HE CAN BEAT CALZAGHE

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

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Not really,and hes certainly not as good tactically as Hopkins

previously had respect for hopkins until he revealed his suppressed feelings of racism.don't tell me shit about selling the fight that shouldn't be said under any circumstances.your only as good as your last fight,hopkins punched,grabbed and held his way to an ugly victory over winky wright who despite being a career long light middleweight and against all expectations was the aggressor in the fight.calzaghe beat a dangerous young undefeated super middleweight.calzaghe throws more punches in a single round than hopkins does in an entire fight.don't get me wrong hopkins is well capable of beating calzaghe but he'll have to put another wwe like performance to do it and it won't make for pretty viewing although "malcolm x" will stand at press conferences talking trash and promising fireworks.my money is on a points win for calzaghe.