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Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
Just read this. I have to credit Williams,he seems to be willing to fight ANYONE and wants to unify rather than pick and choose his match ups-great to see from a young fighter especially in this age where most either want to protect their 0 or make business deals and business moves.
I like Williams warrior like attitude and I can say,I honestly think he would be a stylistic nightmare for Mosley. HUGE WW,looooong reach,excellent jab,southpaw and oh,he throws 100 punches a round. I'm not a fan of his style( ok,ok,I'm a closet fan ;) ;D ) but I think PW wins on points,I mean WIDE points decision,if it were to happen and who knows,SSM has NOT retired as of yet,so this fight could happen. I just don't see how Shane could win.Get inside and Williams will either hold him off or outwork him. On the outside,Williams is beating him all day long with the work rate and reach.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,Williams is a horrible fighter to face. He's not going to hand out any career ending beatings to anyone but on a 10 point must system,where judges usually score activity more than landed punches,I really don't see anyone at 147 beating him becaus eunless you Ko him,he's going to be throwing those dam punches and impressing the judges.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
I disagree....Calling out Mosley on a loss?.....
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
This really don't shock me that much.
Beating Mosley establishes a shit load of credibility & as for calling him out after a loss to Cotto...not that big of an issue & not that bad as another step on the trail to Cotto.
All he has to do is defeat Mosley & Quintana by TKO & in stronger fashion & he's built a bigger case for being a legit contender to the throne Cotto's trying to establish.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
Remember the trouble Forrest gave Mosley ?? could it be deja vu ??
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
He probably just wants to fight a big name that he thinks he can beat immpressively. I think its a move that he thinks will make him a bigger name and more money down the line. Its kind of a weak move cause he is the WBO champion imo, but it makes some sence. He should be focusing 100% on Quintana though right now cause hes a very live underdog.
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I disagree....Calling out Mosley on a loss?.....
No way man. Look at it like this:
PW asked Zab,Cotto,Cintron and a whole host of other fighters for a fight and the only one to respond was Quintana. Also,the Shane Cotto fight was close.It's not as if Shane is a part time fighter or shot,he still has skills. Finally,how many times have we seen more established fighters fight someone coming off a loss? Mayweather fought Judah coming off a loss.Pacquiao fought Morales off a loss. Shane lost to a P4P fighter :Cotto.No harm in that,not as if he was blown away.
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This really don't shock me that much.
Beating Mosley establishes a shit load of credibility & as for calling him out after a loss to Cotto...not that big of an issue & not that bad as another step on the trail to Cotto.
All he has to do is defeat Mosley & Quintana by TKO & in stronger fashion & he's built a bigger case for being a legit contender to the throne Cotto's trying to establish.
Yup,basically what I'm trying to say.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
Mosely is just a name now
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This really don't shock me that much.
Beating Mosley establishes a S*** load of credibility & as for calling him out after a loss to Cotto...not that big of an issue & not that bad as another step on the trail to Cotto.
All he has to do is defeat Mosley & Quintana by TKO & in stronger fashion & he's built a bigger case for being a legit contender to the throne Cotto's trying to establish.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I disagree....Calling out Mosley on a loss?.....
No way man. Look at it like this:
PW asked Zab,Cotto,Cintron and a whole host of other fighters for a fight and the only one to respond was Quintana. Also,the Shane Cotto fight was close.It's not as if Shane is a part time fighter or shot,he still has skills. Finally,how many times have we seen more established fighters fight someone coming off a loss? Mayweather fought Judah coming off a loss.Pacquiao fought Morales off a loss. Shane lost to a P4P fighter :Cotto.No harm in that,not as if he was blown away.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
This really don't shock me that much.
Beating Mosley establishes a S*** load of credibility & as for calling him out after a loss to Cotto...not that big of an issue & not that bad as another step on the trail to Cotto.
All he has to do is defeat Mosley & Quintana by TKO & in stronger fashion & he's built a bigger case for being a legit contender to the throne Cotto's trying to establish.
Yup,basically what I'm trying to say.
Valid points
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Mosely is just a name now
What does that make DLH who lost to him 2 times and fights once a year?
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
i suppose a mosley fight is a good win on his record if he wins but who really wants to see that fight ?? i would rather see him fight cotto, cintron, etc.
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Mosely is just a name now
Your'e damned right he's a name now...just like he always has been.
Mosley's proven himself time & time again & if your'e saying he's a gate keeper or something of the like now because Cotto beat him...your'e way off course with that one. Mosley's got a hell of a record of 44 wins, 37 of those by knockout, 5 losses and 1 no contest. To top that off...he's never been knocked out or stopped.
He's won & held titles in 3 weight classes & he's been regarded as one of the greatest boxers of the last decade.
He wasn't TOTALLY devastated by Cotto, one of the most highly regarded young champions of 147lbs.
Way off base with that one.
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Mosely is just a name now
What is that implying ?? just because he lost a razor thin decision to one of the top P4P fighters in the world ??
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Mosely is just a name now
What is that implying ?? just because he lost a razor thin decision to one of the top P4P fighters in the world ??
Mosely is 36 now he aint getting any younger and i dont think he has many more big wins left in him Williams knows this most people want him now for his name on there record.
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Mosely is just a name now
What is that implying ?? just because he lost a razor thin decision to one of the top P4P fighters in the world ??
Mosely is 36 now he aint getting any younger and i dont think he has many more big wins left in him Williams knows this most people want him now for his name on there record.
Just prior to to the Cotto loss Mosley had dropped from weight jumped from 154 to 157 to 154 back to 147.
During that time he beat Estrada, Cruz, Vargas, & Collazo...not bad at all...when you top that off with handling Oscar twice & then a list of top notch professional contenders & the fact that he had made 9 title defenses just before facing Oscar De La Hoya for his Welter weight title...again not to bad at all.
Even Mosley's losses are commendable. Losing to Wright, Forrest, & Cotto in their primes says a hell of a lot especially that they were all points losses.
You being a Floyd fan...it honestly shocks me that you hold Mosley in such low regard as they are very similar fighters in ilk.
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Originally Posted by ds91
i suppose a mosley fight is a good win on his record if he wins but who really wants to see that fight ?? i would rather see him fight cotto, cintron, etc.
I'd certainly like to see this fight,but only if the more meaningful fights cannot be made,which appears to be the case.
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Mosely is just a name now
What does that make DLH who lost to him 2 times and fights once a year?
Exactly. ;)
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i suppose a mosley fight is a good win on his record if he wins but who really wants to see that fight ?? i would rather see him fight cotto, cintron, etc.
I would never want to see Cotto fight Paul Williams. The reach advantage is almost mortifying.
Cotto vs Cintron? Reach or no reach...I want to see that one happen.
I'm confident that Cotto would handle him in devastating fashion.
I don't know...something about Paul Williams just really REALLY scares the dog shit outta me when pitted up against my favorite fighters.
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Being a Tall Paul fan it seem that we are in the take what we can get realm of fights. So i guess Mosley will have to do for now. Mosley is tough, not a pushover fight. Seems Tall Paul will have to wait until he is 40 to get a Title fight against one of the big boys. I see him being relagated to beating Berto and the up in coming fighters. The Big boys will use him as a reflection Champ. To get to us u must beat Paul first. At the same time they will not give Paul a chance. Hopefully they will be shamed into giving him a chance. Avoid him like the plague is the tone here. Must we BEG for a fight. SHAMEFUL. Please, Please,Please. DAMN.
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Being a Tall Paul fan it seem that we are in the take what we can get realm of fights. So i guess Mosley will have to do for now. Mosley is tough, not a pushover fight. Seems Tall Paul will have to wait until he is 40 to get a Title fight against one of the big boys. I see him being relagated to beating Berto and the up in coming fighters. The Big boys will use him as a reflection Champ. To get to us u must beat Paul first. At the same time they will not give Paul a chance. Hopefully they will be shamed into giving him a chance. Avoid him like the plague is the tone here. Must we BEG for a fight. SHAMEFUL. Please, Please,Please. DAMN.
Quite simply...it aint that simple.
That's why they have mandatory challenges & that's why he will either prove himself or the doubts will be proven.
That being said...while I do believe that Williams is an avoided combatant...I don't see him as being the "boogeyman" that you believe him to be.
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Does'nt anybody understand what im saying forget all his great achievements i know how good he was and who he beat what im saying is he is 36 now his best days are behind him he is a fading force at Welter people are now calling him out because of his name and how good it will look on there records.
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Originally Posted by ds91
i suppose a mosley fight is a good win on his record if he wins but who really wants to see that fight ?? i would rather see him fight cotto, cintron, etc.
I would never want to see Cotto fight Paul Williams. The reach advantage is almost mortifying.
Cotto vs Cintron? Reach or no reach...I want to see that one happen.
I'm confident that Cotto would handle him in devastating fashion.
I don't know...something about Paul Williams just really REALLY scares the dog shit outta me when pitted up against my favorite fighters.
;D Beware the Punisher!
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Does'nt anybody understand what im saying forget all his great achievements i know how good he was and who he beat what im saying is he is 36 now his best days are behind him he is a fading force at Welter people are now calling him out because of his name and how good it will look on there records.
Mosley would still beat most of the Welterweights except Mayweather, Williams, Cotto, and maybe Margarito. But the others he beats handily.
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Does'nt anybody understand what im saying forget all his great achievements i know how good he was and who he beat what im saying is he is 36 now his best days are behind him he is a fading force at Welter people are now calling him out because of his name and how good it will look on there records.
Mosley would still beat most of the Welterweights except Mayweather, Williams, Cotto, and maybe Margarito. But the others he beats handily.
So in your own words your saying he can't beat the best anymore so as i say he just going to become a big name on fighters records.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Originally Posted by uwey
Being a Tall Paul fan it seem that we are in the take what we can get realm of fights. So i guess Mosley will have to do for now. Mosley is tough, not a pushover fight. Seems Tall Paul will have to wait until he is 40 to get a Title fight against one of the big boys. I see him being relagated to beating Berto and the up in coming fighters. The Big boys will use him as a reflection Champ. To get to us u must beat Paul first. At the same time they will not give Paul a chance. Hopefully they will be shamed into giving him a chance. Avoid him like the plague is the tone here. Must we BEG for a fight. SHAMEFUL. Please, Please,Please. DAMN.
Quite simply...it aint that simple.
That's why they have mandatory challenges & that's why he will either prove himself or the doubts will be proven.
That being said...while I do believe that Williams is an avoided combatant...I don't see him as being the "boogeyman" that you believe him to be.
To be honest my man,I don't see anyone rushing to fight PW:Cintron/Judah/Cotto and a few others were offered a fight and not only did they decline and not only that but he is not even mentioned by those guys. That's saying something. And to be honest,I don't blame them,like I said before,100 punches per round,ridiculously long reach,jab and speed.He has a middleweight frame,a HW's reach and is fighting at WW.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
This is a pretty good fight, Shane will have to get in range but if he gets there he should be able to land with his quickness and Paul's somewhat sketchy defense. And Paul won't hurt Shane, it will just be a question of if Williams output will be enough.
Anyway Williams needs a big fight soon, at some point he's not gonna be able to make 147 and he's gonna have to move up and start fighting people that are at least reasonably close to his own size.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
I spoke to Tall Paul once when he fought a cat from my home town name T.heat Caurthan. Paul understands his advantage. He told me, These little guys dont have a chance in beating me. THEY JUST DONT HAVE ENOUGH. I spare with Glen Johnson on the regular. He can barely hurt me so what make you think these little cats can. Watch what I do to these top level WW. then he walked and turned back and said, Your boy Heat Caurthan aint got a chance, Too little. I believe him now, he planning on holding that weight for 3 more years. Its the money weight class, why move up when he can make the weight. By the way last year I was ranked 157 in the super ww class so I do know about this game. Not a champ but a good trainer.
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I am sure Shane Mosley will be thrilled by this, he will get another title shot
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I think Mosley would whip him. And IF he is looking past Quintana, who throws a ton of punches himself and is quite awkard, then Quintana may beat him as well. Williams does not have the punch to KO Quintana early IMO, and thus it will be a tough fight for him. Plus I think Quintana took this fight for a reason, he has something to prove after that embarassing loss to Cotto.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his arse beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his arse beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
What the fuk? Who wants to be a guy that "beats people up" but loses decisions all the time?! I don't think that is Shane's mindset. I think he comes to win and fights in the manner that will give him the best chance to come out with the W. He likes to break fighters down yeah, but his goal is not to beat them up and lose rounds and not care that he loses. He'd have a lot more Losses and a lot less Wins if that were the case.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
One thing about Shane, he won't duck anybody. If he plans to continue fighting, I don't see him backing down from Williams for a second. Thing is, though, it's a stylistic mismatch for Shane, similar to what he faced versus Forrest, but probably even worse. Remember that Mosely's most natural weight is 135; Williams probably wins fairly handedly. Honestly, I don't see anyone beating Williams at 147. Too many physical advantages. The best chance would be Cintron or Margarito only because they are big welters with a heavy punch. He already beat Margarito, so if he and Cintron ever get it on, I honestly think that will be his toughest test at 147. The other top guys just don't have the physical makeup to pull it off. As Wacko said, the reach advantage he has over Cotto is ridiculous. If Margarito, a big welter at 5'11", had trouble getting inside Williams, how is Cotto going to do it? Williams is being ducked for now because he isn't a big enough name yet, but provided he can continue to make 147 he'll get his shot eventually at the big names.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
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I disagree....Calling out Mosley on a loss?.....
Me sentiments exactly...
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
I don't get this thinking? It was a VERY close fight between Shane and Cotto, and I honestly scored it a draw. Too much running by Cotto in the later rounds for my taste; call it "boxing" if you want...your opinion...I call it running. In any case, Mosley is still a formidable opponent for anyone at 147, so I don't see how Williams calling him out as a bad thing. I'm sure he'd rather have Cotto, but he knows the score in terms of needing to get some bigger names on his resume in order to get that fight. Arum will avoid him for as long as he can.
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
Look at Cotto's face after the fight. Shane didn't sweep the rounds, but he made Cotto run. Shane was chasing him and made Cotto box.
ODH was on his last leg at the end of the fight, going backwards, bleeding, swollen up, out of breath, Shane whooped him but arguably could have lost a decision on points.
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Im a huge fan of Sugar Shane . At his best I belive he was one of the all time greats he was that good . But if he met Williams , my money would have to be on Paul at this stage.
Someone make Williams - Floyd . Not a massive fight by any means and I cant see it selling but in an ideal world id love to see it .
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
Look at Cotto's face after the fight. Shane didn't sweep the rounds, but he made Cotto run. Shane was chasing him and made Cotto box.
ODH was on his last leg at the end of the fight, going backwards, bleeding, swollen up, out of breath, Shane whooped him but arguably could have lost a decision on points.
I don't judge what happens in a fight by what a guys face looks like after, I know he took some good shots from Shane, still not as many as Shane took from Cotto. I'm just confused as to when Cotto "ran", he won the majority of the rounds when they were fighting more toe to toe and then boxed later on in the fight. Now maybe he boxed out of respect for Shane but it was still boxing not running. There's a huge difference between boxing and running. ODLH ran in the last rounds against Tito and lost them all, Cotto boxed well, winning at least two of the last four IMO on clean punching whether Shane was walking forward or not.
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
What the fuk? Who wants to be a guy that "beats people up" but loses decisions all the time?! I don't think that is Shane's mindset. I think he comes to win and fights in the manner that will give him the best chance to come out with the W. He likes to break fighters down yeah, but his goal is not to beat them up and lose rounds and not care that he loses. He'd have a lot more Losses and a lot less Wins if that were the case.
You really think Shane uses the best strategy to win his fights? I don't think it's that he doesn't care if he loses, his fighting instinct takes over and he is aggressive. Most people (myself included) think that Shane's biggest weakness was staying with his father as a trainer so long, and they don't develop the best fight plans. Pretty damn good as evidenced by his record, but a little short of where his ability COULD have taken him. I am a fan of Mosley, but he's fallen a little shorter than could have been. I do respect the loyalty and integrity though. Shane is a great fighter and he fights, not just boxes. He could have used his advantages and won a couple of the fights he lost, but he chose to fight and try to stop them, rather than win a decision.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
Look at Cotto's face after the fight. Shane didn't sweep the rounds, but he made Cotto run. Shane was chasing him and made Cotto box.
ODH was on his last leg at the end of the fight, going backwards, bleeding, swollen up, out of breath, Shane whooped him but arguably could have lost a decision on points.
I don't judge what happens in a fight by what a guys face looks like after, I know he took some good shots from Shane, still not as many as Shane took from Cotto. I'm just confused as to when Cotto "ran", he won the majority of the rounds when they were fighting more toe to toe and then boxed later on in the fight. Now maybe he boxed out of respect for Shane but it was still boxing not running. There's a huge difference between boxing and running. ODLH ran in the last rounds against Tito and lost them all, Cotto boxed well, winning at least two of the last four IMO on clean punching whether Shane was walking forward or not.
It is arguable on who won the rounds. I consider a role reversal from the puncher to the boxer, as significant. Also the faces at the end of the fight tell the story, counting the shots is less important than the damage they did. I think Cotto landed lots of stiff jabs that snapped Shane's head back but didn't do real damage. Either way the fight could have gone either way, I am not arguing the Cotto fight, just saying Williams is in for a long night with Mosley win or lose.
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Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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I disagree....Calling out Mosley on a loss?.....
Who else can Williams call out? He's already called out Floyd, Cotto, and Cintron, but those guys are unavailable. He must wait in line until Mayweather decides if he wants to risk his life against Cotto, he must wait in line until Cotto gets tired of calling out Floyd and fights Oscar, and he must wait until Cintron's hand heals, he fights Clottey, and everyone stops laughing over his recent calling out of Margarito and Cotto.
Mosley is a good fighter to put on your resume and more importantly, Mosley, despite a recent loss, is very good competition. Under the circumstances, calling out Mosley is a good move for Williams IMO.
