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I watched this a while back and that kids parents must be fucking retarded, ask LEGION on the snake stuff he knows friggin everything but easily the Cobra.
The cobra appear to have great accuracy when it strikes but at the end the baby seem to have pulled out a draw. As the baby pulled the cobras neck to choke it, the cobra countered by curling around the babys hands to try and restrict the hands of the baby. ;D
Well the cobra doesn't win for sure, as its mouth is sewed shut and the fangs are probably cut out, as is typical in that part of the world. People make money off tourists doing that, and that particular practice is banned in alot of the country, as it is inhumane..
But those people need money so practices like that will always go on. We were debating about that video on a reptile forum a few months ago. Funny, the little bit of money they might make will probably need to be used to take the baby to the doctor after handling that wild animal, with salmonella being a risk to handling reptiles from the wild, and also being that the animal was probably kept in a very moist, unclean basket. And not to mention the germs from the kid crawling around on the ground.
Idiots. I would have paid alot of money for that particular cobra, it is called a spectacled cobra{naja naja} and was one of the finest examples I've seen. Too bad actually.
Impressive bro, you really know your snakes. This is one of the craziest things I've seen, i just hope the parents know what their doing sending their baby out to play with deadly cobras.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
:coolclick: for the info
CC #235 back to you Rain ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
Yeah, the parents know what they're doing, if they didn't that kid would be dead and the parents jailed or even executed for doing some sh#t like that with a "normal" cobra. Like I said, that snakes mouth is at the least sewed shut, and very likely the fangs are yanked out, which will kill the animal within a months time.
99.9% of the time a cobra will not strike you without 1st hooding up, which is a threat disply and telling you to back off. Though venom is easily and quickly renewed after a strike, cobras tend to know instinctually that it is wasting their resources to inject venom and would rather use the venom for prey. But make no mistake, if that one in the video had the ability to open its mouth, it would have flooded that kid several times with venom, and that would have been that!!
Here's a video of a guy in Thailand who did this trick one too many times and died last year if rumours be true. These snakes he used did not have their fangs yanked nor their mouths sewed shut. He had balls of steel to do this, but my understanding is that he took a hit from a King Cobra in the face, and that's as bad a place to take a hit from one, as the venom quickly gets to the nervous system and, well, lights out :'( I don't do this sh#t with mine. RIP for that dude. At least he died doing what he wanted :-\
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zzFxHr4t4mY
that guy is crazy good.
by the way I just got me a moray eel ;D
yo LEGION, out of interest, how do you know all that ?
I'm sorry, I don't understand? Know all what? I keep venomous snakes and they have been a passion of mine for a long time, so I have spent years studying them, and the different cultures where they come from. If you're asking how I know about the snake in the video being defanged and its mouth sewed shut; it's a well known common practice in India and Pakistan. And what fool would put their baby in front of a healthy cobra with all its tools intact?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw
Cobras in India are actually revered in some parts as Gods, so there are alot of festivals celebrating it. There are always poor people who need money and will capitalize on the tourists with the spectacle of snake charming and such. Sitting in front of the baskets, moving side to side and playing a flute, with the cobra coming out of the basket to the sound of the flute. What people don't understand is that snakes don't have ears, and don't hear a damn thing, and only stand up out of the basket because they are pissed off being stuck in the damn thing and hood up to threaten the people moving side to side with the flute. Cobras go by movement, not because they hear them playing that silly instrument. And like I said, most of those snakes are captured and immediately defanged or have their mouths sewed shut, so they can't bite the "performer". Very few do that thing without taking the weapons away from the snake 1st. The guy in the video above from Thailand felt he had some magical powers with the animals, and to some extent I guess you could say he did have some power over them, but eventually got buzzed for it and died. Sorry I rambled, just wanted to answer your question as best I could. You could always Google snake charmers and it will probably tell you the same thing.
Wow, really interesting. You answered my question excellently by the way :). Thank you for the information.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I hate when people do that S*** to animals. Like you said though, in poor parts of the world they are not concerned about such a thing because they are too busy trying to survive themselves by any means possible, cruelty to other living things is a non-factor in their mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Same goes for those dirt-poor farmers in brazil who are slashing and burning the rainforest down. They are destroying all of these resources, plants, animals, habitats...but they don't care because they are trying to feed their families by any means possible. It is hard to blame them, at the same time things are being destroyed which can never be replaced.
By the time humans establish a colony on Mars or wherever, the earth is going to be a wasteland with only a few species of insects surviving >:mad :(
More people every year are killed in India and Sri Lanka by snakebite than anywhere else in the world; what with walking around barefooted while working in rice paddies or tea leaf fields, or just sleeping at night and having an Indian Krait crawl in bed with them and never wake up. The good thing is, at least from my viewpoint, is that alot of these groups that have been setting up big snake charming events are actually being used now to catch snakes and milk them for venom, so the venom can then be used to create antivenin for people who get bitten. And not just by cobras, but Russell's and Saw Scale vipers and Kraits.
So instead of these same people making a little extra on the side with inhumane acts, the government is setting up facilities for these people to bring in the snakes they catch so they can milk them. And the people get paid and once the animals are milked, they are released back into the wild. So everyone is happy{except for the snake for a few hours, but at least it doesn't get killed or tortured} And the people who get bitten, like so many do, will have the antivenin to keep them alive. And the more snakes that get killed, the less antivenin stocks there will be, so it is almost suicide to kill the same animals that will cure you, because you can't kill all the snakes, but it only takes one to bite you. Something like 30,000 die every year in India and Sri Lanka alone. Why? Because there isn't enough antivenin to cure people. Big dummies ::**
Sorry, I love snakes and love talking about them.
I heard a story recently on National radio about a snake that was kept in a house in Ireland. Legion you may be able to validate it's authenticity. The story teller claimed this was 100% true.
A non-venomous snake (I presume a python but am unsure) was kept by a couple for a number of years. The enthusiasts were reasonably well experienced with snakes and were pretty comfortable with this snake.
They had a four/five year old child and he too was very fond of the snake and spent a large amount of time with the snake. The child fell ill and weak and as a result was house and bed bound Having had the snake for even longer than their child the parents were surprised one night to discover the snake had escaped and made foo the child's bed! Upon inspection and unknown to the child the snake had entered it's bed and appeared to be keeping the child warm as it stretched out beside the child. Upon first occurrence the parents were surprised but did not really react. Upon a second occurrence the parents, thinking they had somehow stumbled across a special "caring" reptile consulted a vet/specialist.
They explained their story of and claimed that it was obvious the snake had sensed their child was weak and as they spent so much time together it was trying to protect the child.
The Vet confirmed the snake had indeed sensed the child was very weak, but instead said the behaviour displayed was indicative that the snake was waiting for an opportunity to eat the child!
What is the likelihood of this story being accurate!!!
cc for the story, got a good laugh at the end!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulain
It's funny, I've got a head for stories, when I hear a good one i just have to find out if it's true!
I haven't heard the story, but I only study the venomous reptiles, so I probably missed the story. But, I must say those parents should be put in jail, as there is no such thing as a "caring" reptile; it is ludicrous to even suggest that and the parents are big dummies. That animal should have had no way to get into the childs bed, and I am very surprised he hadn't already eaten that child.
I kept a few non-venomous constrictors in the mid 90's, and one of them I had was a Burmese python. She was about 8ft. long and very "friendly", and I would let her sleep in the bed on occasion, not at night when I was sleeping, but just during the day when I was up and about. One day I went to a friends house and before I had left, I had filled the tub with water, but had left the window cracked and it was cold. She liked to sit in the tub and then would come out and do whatever. I got home late and when I went to see where she was at, she was still in the tub and it was VERY cold. I could tell something was very wrong with her, as she was very cooled down and sluggish. She started to come out of the tub and when I reached to get her, that was it, she tagged me and got almost my whole hand in her mouth and tried to coil on me. They have alot of backward curving teeth and it took a few minutes to remove her from my hand, and she left about 10 teeth imbedded in me. I had to get a tetanus shot and my hand was black and blue for a few days. I usually greeted her by letting her come up and "kiss" my face; glad I didn't that day. I would have looked like this :beatup: :fight:
Boas and Burmese pythons are known to be gentle, but that doesn't mean they won't attack. That snake that crawled in with the child would have eaten that kid and they got lucky. Snakes can settle in with a person, and become more calm and situated with their surroundings, but that doesn't mean they end up "loving" their owners ::** Snakes have 3 instincts: hide, hunt, and reproduce; and everything is instinctual. Some of my cobras were devils when I got them, but have settled in nicely and don't spook and hood as much, but that doesn't mean they like me and can sleep with me; it just means they aren't as scared of me as I have shown to be no threat. But as soon as they know that I plan on handling them, they see me as fair game and try to end my life. A very intense hobby to put it mildly.
If you want to see a calm, "nice" snake, go to youtube and put in "King Size Surprise". It's 10 minutes long, but get to the 8 minute mark and watch from there. He isn't so "caring" at the end. It's worth watching as it is funny listening to Al scream at the end.
Hey thanks for that Legion.
I guess it was true, I couldn't actually believe it. They said the reason that it lay beside the child stretched out, because it was "measuring" the child, the snake wasn't sure if it was big enough to consume the kid.
Here's a pic of a Reticulated Python from Asia. This picture is debatable, as some claim it wasn't really a man inside the snake, but whatever it was was alot larger than a child, and that snake wasn't anywhere near full grown. Reticulated pythons are notorious for being very aggressive with people, and if those people in Ireland had a retic, that child would have been quickly consumed. There is a pic somewhere of a guy in Cambodia who was actually in the process of being eatne when some people came up on the snake. The guy was already dead and the snake was stuck at the mans shoulders. I'll try to find it just cause' I'm bored ;D
http://www.blackbearheaven.com/man-eating-snake.htm
Lol, nevermind, the pic I was talking about is the last one shown in the link I posted. It wasn't Cambodia, it was Malaysia, my bad.
CoolClick Legion, that is some truely amazing stuff. It's completely understandable that you wish to study these creatures so much and obviously love your subjects. Really fascinating creatures.
CC back Cuchalain.
I do love snakes, always have since I was a kid. One of the most amazing, adaptable animals on this planet. And it is amazing considering they have no arms or legs and are such successful creatures. It's a shame people hate them so much, as though alot are dangerous, they are integral to a balanced environment, and without snakes we would be over run with rodents, which could bring massive disease. I understand people not liking them, but to kill them for no reason is dumb IMO. And people don't realize the cure for cancer, alzheimers, parkinson's and others are already being found in venom. Pretty cool stuff to me. Cuchalain, look at the thread on this board titled "attn:lefty lee", and you can see one of my cobras I have.
Yeah I saw it mate it was really cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I'd be afraid to handle a snake now, as I'm totally inexperienced and wouldn't know how to manage it correctly, but I do find them fascinating to watch and I don't find them all that threatening. What people don't realise is any animal can be dangerous if it feels threatened, it's all about respect. There are few creatures that will attack unprovoked and by and large that includes reptiles.
Like I just said on another post, I didn't realize it was you Donny, or formerly Donny anyways ;D
I know, I just realised my Profile is very different looking!Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I'll bring back the Hitman Moniker when I'm done with this little infatuation!
I was showing my brother the snake videos on here and he told me something very interesting indeed.....
His gf's best friend used to keep a python and apparently it used to sleep at the bottom of her bed, curled up. She used to feed it and look after it. Then she noticed that at night the python would sleep right next to her in a straight position (basically mimicking her posture). Apparently she thought this was strange but didn't think anything more of it.
However she realised that it hadn't eaten for a while and no matter how much she tried to feed it, it wouldn't eat. So she took it to the vets and mentioned that it wasn't eaten and also mentioned how it was sleeping....
Now this part shocked me (am no snake expert).....apparently the python was 'sizeing her up.' Thats why it was mimicking her sleeping posture....and thats why it wasn't eating. Basically it was preparing to eat her. Scary shit is that.
Now i don't know this girl so my question to Legion is 'is she likely to be telling the truth?' and 'is this behaviour normal from a python?'
Sounds fishy to me for a couple of reasons, though a python trying to eat someone isn't out of the question, as they have tried/done it before.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I am no expert on constrictors, so don't take my word on this but if the python wasn't eating its normal food; i.e. rats, guinea pigs, etc., then it probably wouldn't eat her. If it is hungry, and healthy without parasites, it will take any food offered to it I would think, and if it wouldn't take a rat or whatever, it was probably sick and wouldn't in my estimation try to eat a person.
Also, depending on the living conditons of the animal and whether this person had the proper requirements being given to the animal, these things will affect the animals well being, such as proper diet, heating, humidity, etc. Snakes are cold-blooded animals, and always need to regulate their body heat. The snake, most likely IMO, was sick and probably didn't have the right set up to live in to maintain proper body heat. This is most likely why in my opinion the snake would lay in a straight line and parallel to the owners body, so its body could soak up as much body heat from the person as possible, as we as humans generate body heat and so she was acting like a living heat rock to the python. And like I said above, if the animal is sick from improper heat or parasites, it can cause bad bronchial infections and the snake will just constantly try to find/be near the closest heat source.
I could be wrong, but this seems most likely considering. Just doesn't make sense the animal wouldn't eat normal prey because it was "sizing" the person up to eat. That implies way too much scheming and intelligent "problem solving" for me to concede to a reptile.
yeh the more i think about it, the more i think she's full of shit. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
The scheming bit did freak me out a little bit tho. :o
until i realised it was made up ;D
Yeah, I'm not saying the girls story is fishy, but moreso the veterinarian who told her the snake was "sizing" her up. Her snake probably wasn't eating, but was ill and like I said just trying to find a place that offered the warmth it needed. Typically veterinarians don't know anything about reptiles, and rarely know how to help them, as 99.9% of the animals they deal with are the typical pets. So the vet probably told that girl the "sizing" up nonsense because he/she didn't have the 1st clue, though they should have at least known it was sick and was a cold blooded animal who needed that constant heat.
Now Legions the expert I'm just chiming in with some info, but I've heard of the same behaviour before!!!
That snakes are that scheming or that that's what they do when they are poorly?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
That when in need of a meal and their desired food is of a similar size as themselves they lay out beside it to ensure they are longer and able to consume the victim.
Not trying to argue with you Cuchalain, but snakes don't lat parallel to their prey to see if they are as long as the prey itself, as the prey in the wild isn't going to sit there and let the snake use it as a yardtick to measure it for consumption ::** Pythons and alot of venomous snakes are ambush hunters, so they lay in wait, and either by sight or heat will be able to tell whether the "live thing" is possible prey and will act swiftly.
And snakes like pythons have very slow metabolisms, so they can consume a large meal and not eat for months, but wouldn't normally consume something so big as an adult human, as it would take forever to digest{shoes, clothes, jewelry} and would leave the animal in a vulnerable position as a target. And that girl said the python laid in bed all the time, stretched out next to her. Exactly how long is it going to take to "size up" the "prey"?? It won't take days or weeks, but maybe minutes. So if that snake that girl owned was going to try to eat her it would have happened way before she took it to the vet. The animal was trying to soak up body heat from the woman. Don't forget where the pythons typically live; in jungles with 90-100% humidity and extreme heat. What person who has the choice will have their house set at 100% humidity and 90+ degree temps. on a constant basis? So the animal was probably trying to get to the warmest spot available.
Most humans that get attacked by pythons aren't being attacked to get eaten, but because it is a territorial type thing. Only after a person is squeezed to death will a constrictor go ahead and try to eat an adult human, as this is instinct to eat what has been killed, not because it was actively hunting an adult human. Now a baby or small child I can definately see being consumed, and many stories of that happening in Vietnam and other parts of Asia I have heard. A baby or small child is on par to the size of a large pythons normal size prey in the wild; i.e. pig, goat, etc. Just my 65cents worth of opinion ;D
Obviously the snake was devenomized and defanged. But dang! that was still disturbing to watch.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Sounds like it could be true... I mean, a snake is a reptile and as cool as they are as pets... I wouldn't have my child being babysat by this guy;D
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/an...ck_python1.jpg
Thats one big snake!!!
However I must admit I for one felt that snakes on a plane was a good idea in theory and imagined setting a whole crate of snakes on Nicolai Valuev....Just to see if he uses any ape like escape methods