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How would Pavlik-Abraham go
Would many people pick Abraham?
There are a lot of things I don't like about Abraham, conditioning, how he fights in spurts, but he does have some power and not a bad defense although its just holding his hands up really.
I'd take Pavlik to wear him down, stop him late but Abraham's got a fairly sneaky right and Pavlik can be hurt.
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The one thing that I like about Abraham is that from what I've seen he's got great hand speed. But he really does fight in spurts, I'm not sure who'd win but I'm leaning towards Kelly.
The one thing I will say about Pavlik is that I think he's a bit overrated and he's gonna get found out pretty soon. I have tremendous respect for the guy getting off the floor against Taylor but he takes A LOT of punishment and his hands are slow. Pavlik gets by on his punching power and sheer determination. If I were Kelly, I would stay away from JoeCal because I think JC would annihillate Kelly.
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I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
And he's not quick but he's not the slowest guy I've ever seen and he's got a nice jab and seems to have good timing.
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
Pavlik TKO...
AA is too patient for his own good. I used to be high on AA especially after he beat Ian Gardner. He showed he had the tools they just needed some polishing... But honestly somewhere along the way I just lost interest he just didn't have fire in him. Like I said he stands infront of his opponents for too long just starring. He waits for his opponents to fire off 1st. I just feel that someone for example like Miranda whos a come forward guy will beat him. AA's been able to beat some good opponents but let's be real here the only 2 names that stand out are Eastman & Miranda the others are good opponents....
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Pavlik TKO...
AA is too patient for his own good. I used to be high on AA especially after he beat Ian Gardner. He showed he had the tools they just needed some polishing... But honestly somewhere along the way I just lost interest he just didn't have fire in him. Like I said he stands infront of his opponents for too long just starring. He waits for his opponents to fire off 1st. I just feel that someone for example like Miranda whos a come forward guy will beat him. AA's been able to beat some good opponents but let's be real here the only 2 names that stand out are Eastman & Miranda the others are good opponents....
Kinda the same way I am, was high on him for a little bit there and lost interest.
Too patient, just kind of bores me.
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AA took a lot of abuse from Miranda....IMO Pavlik hits just as if not harder then Edison and he is a heck of a lot more accurate with his shots...plus he is better all around as a boxer....I go with Pavlik by TKO sometime after the 9th a decision mainly due to the abused he took from Miranda
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AA took a lot of abuse from Miranda....IMO Pavlik hits just as if not harder then Edison and he is a heck of a lot more accurate with his shots...plus he is better all around as a boxer....I go with Pavlik by TKO sometime after the 9th a decision mainly due to the abused he took from Miranda
agreed 100%
took the words out of my mouth
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Pavlik took a fair bit of punishment from Miranda too though. Abraham has good power as well. I don't think this will be as straight forward as some people think it will be. Pavlik will win by close UD IMO.
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AA took a lot of abuse from Miranda....IMO Pavlik hits just as if not harder then Edison and he is a heck of a lot more accurate with his shots...plus he is better all around as a boxer....I go with Pavlik by TKO sometime after the 9th a decision mainly due to the abused he took from Miranda
agreed 100%
took the words out of my mouth
have a :coolclick: on me.
CC#30 back at ya mate....
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Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw
Pavlik took a fair bit of punishment from Miranda too though. Abraham has good power as well. I don't think this will be as straight forward as some people think it will be. Pavlik will win by close UD IMO.
I still go with my first prediction but you are right about opne thing...It will not be straight forward as people think...AA will have his moments...and he has a hell of a chin I will say that much for him...But again IMO the accuracy will be the big factor here
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AA took a lot of abuse from Miranda....IMO Pavlik hits just as if not harder then Edison and he is a heck of a lot more accurate with his shots...plus he is better all around as a boxer....I go with Pavlik by TKO sometime after the 9th a decision mainly due to the abused he took from Miranda
agreed 100%
took the words out of my mouth
have a :coolclick: on me.
CC#30 back at ya mate....
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Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw
Pavlik took a fair bit of punishment from Miranda too though. Abraham has good power as well. I don't think this will be as straight forward as some people think it will be. Pavlik will win by close UD IMO.
I still go with my first prediction but you are right about opne thing...It will not be straight forward as people think...AA will have his moments...and he has a hell of a chin I will say that much for him...But again IMO the accuracy will be the big factor here
Quick Question, could the fact that Abraham's jaw being broken not too long ago still cause him problems or what it be stronger now as the bone has grew back (or whatever broken bones do)
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AA took a lot of abuse from Miranda....IMO Pavlik hits just as if not harder then Edison and he is a heck of a lot more accurate with his shots...plus he is better all around as a boxer....I go with Pavlik by TKO sometime after the 9th a decision mainly due to the abused he took from Miranda
agreed 100%
took the words out of my mouth
have a :coolclick: on me.
CC#30 back at ya mate....
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Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw
Pavlik took a fair bit of punishment from Miranda too though. Abraham has good power as well. I don't think this will be as straight forward as some people think it will be. Pavlik will win by close UD IMO.
I still go with my first prediction but you are right about opne thing...It will not be straight forward as people think...AA will have his moments...and he has a hell of a chin I will say that much for him...But again IMO the accuracy will be the big factor here
Quick Question, could the fact that Abraham's jaw being broken not too long ago still cause him problems or what it be stronger now as the bone has grew back (or whatever broken bones do)
assuming the jaw healed with no complications it should not be a factor either way...hell I give him credit for fighting with it broken like it was...AA is a good fighter and I said I agree it will not be a walk over for Pavlik...I just favor Kelly is all..
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:coolclick: Thank you for answering my question
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
Pavlik By TKO.....hell, Abraham may even get counted out
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:coolclick: Thank you for answering my question
CC#156 back at ya
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AA took a lot of abuse from Miranda....IMO Pavlik hits just as if not harder then Edison and he is a heck of a lot more accurate with his shots...plus he is better all around as a boxer....I go with Pavlik by TKO sometime after the 9th a decision mainly due to the abused he took from Miranda
agreed 100%
took the words out of my mouth
have a :coolclick: on me.
CC#30 back at ya mate....
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Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw
Pavlik took a fair bit of punishment from Miranda too though. Abraham has good power as well. I don't think this will be as straight forward as some people think it will be. Pavlik will win by close UD IMO.
I still go with my first prediction but you are right about opne thing...It will not be straight forward as people think...AA will have his moments...and he has a hell of a chin I will say that much for him...But again IMO the accuracy will be the big factor here
Quick Question, could the fact that Abraham's jaw being broken not too long ago still cause him problems or what it be stronger now as the bone has grew back (or whatever broken bones do)
assuming the jaw healed with no complications it should not be a factor either way...hell I give him credit for fighting with it broken like it was...AA is a good fighter and I said I agree it will not be a walk over for Pavlik...I just favor Kelly is all..
Didn't AA have a steel plate put in his jaw or something like that? I'm sure I remember reading about it. I think as long as the fight lasted it would fairly close, but Pavlik would eventually break down Abraham and win via late TKO. Abraham has great defense, but Pavlik would eventually just hammer his way through it.
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
And he's not quick but he's not the slowest guy I've ever seen and he's got a nice jab and seems to have good timing.
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
Kelly Pavlik took plenty of flush punches from good punchers like Jose Luis Zertuche, Edison Miranda Fulgencio Zuniga. And why does Pavlik have to take a obscene amount of punishment ?? Pavlik has already proved he can take big shots and come back he has been hit with flush punches against big punchers, he has been knocked down, he has been in toe to toe wars. And he has shown he can take whatever his opponent's got and comeback in a big way. Pavlik reminds me of Miguel Cotto in the chin department, both of there chins can be dented but not cracked.
As for this match up Pavlik would destroy Abraham in 7 rounds, Abraham was lucky to win against Miranda. Miranda just basically threw the fight away on points with foul play, although to Abraham's credit he did show his toughness in that fight because he did have a broken jaw, but i still can't see Abraham making it past the 7th round.
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One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
Well you will be waiting along time for that to happen, because there is not one single boxer at Middleweight that can force Pavlik on the back foot, in fact even going back in history i find it hard for any of the past Middleweight greats to force Pavlik on the back foot.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
And he's not quick but he's not the slowest guy I've ever seen and he's got a nice jab and seems to have good timing.
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
Kelly Pavlik took plenty of flush punches from good punchers like Jose Luis Zertuche, Edison Miranda Fulgencio Zuniga. And why does Pavlik have to take a obscene amount of punishment ?? Pavlik has already proved he can take big shots and come back he has been hit with flush punches against big punchers, he has been knocked down, he has been in toe to toe wars. And he has shown he can take whatever his opponent's got and comeback in a big way. Pavlik reminds me of Miguel Cotto in the chin department, both of there chins can be dented but not cracked.
As for this match up Pavlik would destroy Abraham in 7 rounds, Abraham was lucky to win against Miranda. Miranda just basically threw the fight away on points with foul play, although to Abraham's credit he did show his toughness in that fight because he did have a broken jaw, but i still can't see Abraham making it past the 7th round.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
Well you will be waiting along time for that to happen, because there is not one single boxer at Middleweight that can force Pavlik on the back foot, in fact even going back in history i find it hard for any of the past Middleweight greats to force Pavlik on the back foot.
I have no idea what you're talking about here? I wasn't saying it was a bad thing that he hasn't taken an obscene amount of punishment, seems pretty obvious that's a good thing.
And we don't know for sure if there's no middle that could put him in the back foot, probably not, but that's just speculation and you're opinion, not fact. As for all time, sure there's some guys who could do it, Hagler is the one that comes to mind first.
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I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
And he's not quick but he's not the slowest guy I've ever seen and he's got a nice jab and seems to have good timing.
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
Kelly Pavlik took plenty of flush punches from good punchers like Jose Luis Zertuche, Edison Miranda Fulgencio Zuniga. And why does Pavlik have to take a obscene amount of punishment ?? Pavlik has already proved he can take big shots and come back he has been hit with flush punches against big punchers, he has been knocked down, he has been in toe to toe wars. And he has shown he can take whatever his opponent's got and comeback in a big way. Pavlik reminds me of Miguel Cotto in the chin department, both of there chins can be dented but not cracked.
As for this match up Pavlik would destroy Abraham in 7 rounds, Abraham was lucky to win against Miranda. Miranda just basically threw the fight away on points with foul play, although to Abraham's credit he did show his toughness in that fight because he did have a broken jaw, but i still can't see Abraham making it past the 7th round.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
Well you will be waiting along time for that to happen, because there is not one single boxer at Middleweight that can force Pavlik on the back foot, in fact even going back in history i find it hard for any of the past Middleweight greats to force Pavlik on the back foot.
I have no idea what you're talking about here? I wasn't saying it was a bad thing that he hasn't taken an obscene amount of punishment, seems pretty obvious that's a good thing.
And we don't know for sure if there's no middle that could put him in the back foot, probably not, but that's just speculation and you're opinion, not fact. As for all time, sure there's some guys who could do it, Hagler is the one that comes to mind first.
but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
Im putting this in bold because i thought you was implying that Pavlik hasn't took many hard shots.
No its a fact at the moment that none of the top Middleweights can put Pavlik on the back foot, name me one Middleweight at the moment that has a chance of putting Pavlik on the back foot ?? Hagler was something else he would put any Middleweight on the back foot. But if you actually go back in history you won't mind many that could put Pavlik on the back foot.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
And he's not quick but he's not the slowest guy I've ever seen and he's got a nice jab and seems to have good timing.
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I don't know if Pavlik's taken a lot of punishment yet. He was brought along pretty slow, a lot of his fights were just total dominations. He's taken some punches versus McKart, forgot his name for the moment but the Mexican dude he fought before Miranda on HBO, Miranda, and Taylor but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
Kelly Pavlik took plenty of flush punches from good punchers like Jose Luis Zertuche, Edison Miranda Fulgencio Zuniga. And why does Pavlik have to take a obscene amount of punishment ?? Pavlik has already proved he can take big shots and come back he has been hit with flush punches against big punchers, he has been knocked down, he has been in toe to toe wars. And he has shown he can take whatever his opponent's got and comeback in a big way. Pavlik reminds me of Miguel Cotto in the chin department, both of there chins can be dented but not cracked.
As for this match up Pavlik would destroy Abraham in 7 rounds, Abraham was lucky to win against Miranda. Miranda just basically threw the fight away on points with foul play, although to Abraham's credit he did show his toughness in that fight because he did have a broken jaw, but i still can't see Abraham making it past the 7th round.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
One thing I wonder about Pavlik is could he fight going backwards. But somebody would have to make him go backwards and they'd take some heavy shots on the way in.
Well you will be waiting along time for that to happen, because there is not one single boxer at Middleweight that can force Pavlik on the back foot, in fact even going back in history i find it hard for any of the past Middleweight greats to force Pavlik on the back foot.
I have no idea what you're talking about here? I wasn't saying it was a bad thing that he hasn't taken an obscene amount of punishment, seems pretty obvious that's a good thing.
And we don't know for sure if there's no middle that could put him in the back foot, probably not, but that's just speculation and you're opinion, not fact. As for all time, sure there's some guys who could do it, Hagler is the one that comes to mind first.
but its not like he's taken an obscene amount of punishment.
Im putting this in bold because i thought you was implying that Pavlik hasn't took many hard shots.
No its a fact at the moment that none of the top Middleweights can put Pavlik on the back foot. Hagler was something else he would put any Middleweight on the back foot. But if you actually go back in history you won't mind many that could put Pavlik on the back foot.
I agree he's taken some good shots, I was just responding to the original poster who says he takes a lot of punishment and I was saying that I don't think he's taken a ridiculous amount of shots yet because a lot of his early fights were blowouts.
As for the back foot stuff I still think its more speculation, now I don't have any idea who will even try to do it. Out of the "top" middles I'm not sure if any would even try, Abraham wouldn't, Taylor wouldn't, not sure who else is really a top middle. At some point though, maybe at 168, somebody will try most likely through a combo of good chin/head movement, whatever and I'd be interested to see how well he could fight like that.
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
It's a fight that must happen in 2008! Could go either way but i lean toward Pavlik in an awesome match up.
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Pavlik is slightly less unproven than Abraham and 3-1/2 inches taller with more power. But Pavlik is right there to get hit so who knows. Pavlik would be a 5-3 favorite.
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
In a chat not too long ago Dan Rafael said he'd slightly favor Abraham in that match-up. Not that that means a hill of beans, but just FYI.
Personally, I'd favor Pavlik. Miranda basically beat the crap out of Abraham but lost on stupid point deductions...we all saw what Pavlik did to Miranda.
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The more I think about it, the more I think this fight would end very badly for Abraham.
The real question should be, after Pavlik breaks the newly inserted titanium chin he has, what are they gonna put in next?
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The more I think about it, the more I think this fight would end very badly for Abraham.
The real question should be, after Pavlik breaks the newly inserted titanium chin he has, what are they gonna put in next?
;D ;D
I'd favour Pavlik via stoppage. I can see Abraham,with his Wink-lite defence trying to stand there and block punches on his arms,a few getting through ,skaen,hurt,then stopped. I think he would wobble Kelly though,he has really good handspeed and good power too. I just feel he takes too long getting his punches off,usually waiting for the other guy to punch first,which would be dangerous v Pavlik.
The only guys I see giving Kelly problems are guys with lateral movement and a good chin(Calzaghe is the only fighter I can think of) because he seems so dam flat footed(which I'm guessing allows him to generate power in all his shots). Either that or someone with power and good countering skills like Kessler. If yu're standing in front of him,you're most likely going to get hammered.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
The more I think about it, the more I think this fight would end very badly for Abraham.
The real question should be, after Pavlik breaks the newly inserted titanium chin he has, what are they gonna put in next?
;D ;D
I'd favour Pavlik via stoppage. I can see Abraham,with his Wink-lite defence trying to stand there and block punches on his arms,a few getting through ,skaen,hurt,then stopped. I think he would wobble Kelly though,he has really good handspeed and good power too. I just feel he takes too long getting his punches off,usually waiting for the other guy to punch first,which would be dangerous v Pavlik.
The only guys I see giving Kelly problems are guys with lateral movement and a good chin(Calzaghe is the only fighter I can think of) because he seems so dam flat footed(which I'm guessing allows him to generate power in all his shots). Either that or someone with power and good countering skills like Kessler. If yu're standing in front of him,you're most likely going to get hammered.
I agree. I think Pavlik right now is the p4p biggest puncher in the sport. A bit slow though. What makes him so difficult is that he leaves the jab in your face after he throws it and it makes the right hand like a heat seeking missile. I couldn't figure out at first how that slow right could land with such consistency but thats what it is.
A lot of guys can't really do that though. His massive frame is what makes it possible for him to get away with doing that without getting countered to the point where he has to stop doing it.
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No doubt in my mind that Pavlik knocks out the smurf early.
Smurf has a pretty good defense and a pretty tough beard but I can still see him getting caught, dropped and put to sleep. Kelly has a very real eraser and has been knocking out fighters who had never even been on the canvas before.
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
Dan Rafael, who in my opinion is the best boxing journalist today, picks Abraham in this situation.
I have never seen Abraham fight, but I cant imagine anyone beating Pavlik at Middle.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
The more I think about it, the more I think this fight would end very badly for Abraham.
The real question should be, after Pavlik breaks the newly inserted titanium chin he has, what are they gonna put in next?
;D ;D
I'd favour Pavlik via stoppage. I can see Abraham,with his Wink-lite defence trying to stand there and block punches on his arms,a few getting through ,skaen,hurt,then stopped. I think he would wobble Kelly though,he has really good handspeed and good power too. I just feel he takes too long getting his punches off,usually waiting for the other guy to punch first,which would be dangerous v Pavlik.
The only guys I see giving Kelly problems are guys with lateral movement and a good chin(Calzaghe is the only fighter I can think of) because he seems so dam flat footed(which I'm guessing allows him to generate power in all his shots). Either that or someone with power and good countering skills like Kessler. If yu're standing in front of him,you're most likely going to get hammered.
CC. Hopkins would give him problems, too, but I think Pavlik will eventually win belts at 168, and 175. Kess would give him trouble, too. That fight would be pretty much a pickem.
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
It would be an exciting matchupo as a Knockout would be guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
The more I think about it, the more I think this fight would end very badly for Abraham.
The real question should be, after Pavlik breaks the newly inserted titanium chin he has, what are they gonna put in next?
;D ;D
I'd favour Pavlik via stoppage. I can see Abraham,with his Wink-lite defence trying to stand there and block punches on his arms,a few getting through ,skaen,hurt,then stopped. I think he would wobble Kelly though,he has really good handspeed and good power too. I just feel he takes too long getting his punches off,usually waiting for the other guy to punch first,which would be dangerous v Pavlik.
The only guys I see giving Kelly problems are guys with lateral movement and a good chin(Calzaghe is the only fighter I can think of) because he seems so dam flat footed(which I'm guessing allows him to generate power in all his shots). Either that or someone with power and good countering skills like Kessler. If yu're standing in front of him,you're most likely going to get hammered.
CC. Hopkins would give him problems, too, but I think Pavlik will eventually win belts at 168, and 175. Kess would give him trouble, too. That fight would be pretty much a pickem.
CC back bro. Kess Pavlik would be awesome. Can Kelly take his power up to 168??
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Originally Posted by RozzySean
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
The more I think about it, the more I think this fight would end very badly for Abraham.
The real question should be, after Pavlik breaks the newly inserted titanium chin he has, what are they gonna put in next?
;D ;D
I'd favour Pavlik via stoppage. I can see Abraham,with his Wink-lite defence trying to stand there and block punches on his arms,a few getting through ,skaen,hurt,then stopped. I think he would wobble Kelly though,he has really good handspeed and good power too. I just feel he takes too long getting his punches off,usually waiting for the other guy to punch first,which would be dangerous v Pavlik.
The only guys I see giving Kelly problems are guys with lateral movement and a good chin(Calzaghe is the only fighter I can think of) because he seems so dam flat footed(which I'm guessing allows him to generate power in all his shots). Either that or someone with power and good countering skills like Kessler. If yu're standing in front of him,you're most likely going to get hammered.
CC. Hopkins would give him problems, too, but I think Pavlik will eventually win belts at 168, and 175. Kess would give him trouble, too. That fight would be pretty much a pickem.
CC back bro. Kess Pavlik would be awesome. Can Kelly take his power up to 168??
Thanks. I think he can, and I think he would have power at 175, too. His days at 160 are going be be very limited, but I'm guessing his frame will fill out and he'll be just fine at higher weight divisions.
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Although I think Pavlik will get by Taylor again, I think the wars he, has been/will be in, are going to catch up with him sooner rather than later.
If he fights Abraham this year, I think he wins easily. Eventually the chink in his armor will become a full crack, and then he will lose to a tough top opponent. .
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Re: How would Pavlik-Abraham go
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
No its a fact at the moment that none of the top Middleweights can put Pavlik on the back foot, name me one Middleweight at the moment that has a chance of putting Pavlik on the back foot ?? Hagler was something else he would put any Middleweight on the back foot. But if you actually go back in history you won't mind many that could put Pavlik on the back foot.
You've got to remember that the Pavlik Taylor rematch is going to be at 166 though... I'm not sure Kelly will want to drop back to 160 afterwards, as there's nobody there besides AA, and moving up to 168 is logical for him anyways. Now at SMW, I think it might be a different story with regards to fighters being able to back him up... I think Kessler would beat him, and there's a good chance he'd be able to back Kelly up, at least in spurts.. Pavlik could probably do the same to him, I just think Kessler's a bit sharper and certainly has better defence. That would be one hell of a fight though, both guys would have to be real careful coming forward.
