Am I the only one that doesn't see Cotto beating Mayweather?

Don't get me wrong, Cotto has shown to have what it takes to be a champion but I somehow can't see him winning against Floyd Mayweather Jr. I am surprised to see that on HBO polls and even here in the forum people are dying to see this fight.

I want Mayweather to loose badly really as much as I wanted to see Naseem Hamed but I can't see Cotto doing much really. Predictable, slow (compared to Floyd), etc. I can imagine seeing what happened to Baldomir for a 2nd time but this time with Cotto in the ring.

I don't understand all the hype ???.

I don't know anyone apart from Danny_G who thinks Cotto will beat Floyd.

As far as I'm aware everybody else on this site would pick Floyd by unanimous decision.

Yeah, I just went to HBO http://www.hbo.com/boxing/ and saw how Mayweather vs Cotto had the highest votes. I don't understand.

Who would you rather see him fight?

Most people think Floyd would win but at the same time I suspect most people think he's the most logical guy for Floyd to fight. And he's no Carlos Baldomir.

Oh no it's definitely the fight I most want to see in 2008. It's the world's best fighter taking on his universally recognised number one challenger amd would be a real superfight.

It's also the fight Floyd needs to cement his legacy as a true all time great so I really really want to see it.

It's just that I, and most other others expect Floyd to win.

ye gotta go with Ouma on this one, biggest fight out there and there is always a slight chance that Cotto could pull it off.

How can I say this.....
Cotto is my current favorite fighter.

I don't think he can beat PBF today (this year)

If they fight in 2009, I would definitely favor Cotto. The more the time passes the better chances Cotto has at beating him.

But I sure as hell will be rooting for him if they ever faced off.
I would love for Cotto to win and nothing would please me more then for Cotto to prove everyone wrong.
If Cotto ever defeats PBF, I will put that win along side Duran - SRL I, as the most satisfying fight to watch on my list.

If Cotto is the BEST fighter Mayweather can face in 2008 then there's not so much challenge out there I guess ::** . Do I want Cotto to win? OF COURSE! I want ANYBODY to beat Mayweather in a convincing fashion but I can't see Cotto's style dominating Mayweather in the ring.

I can see Mayweather connecting from different angles and quickly moving away as he usually does since he's faster than Cotto. I just don't want Mayweather to have another easy victory with a big name and hear him talking all this crap :-\.

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If Cotto is the BEST fighter Mayweather can face in 2008 then there's not so much challenge out there I guess ::** . Do I want Cotto to win? OF COURSE! I want ANYBODY to beat Mayweather in a convincing fashion but I can't see Cotto's style dominating Mayweather in the ring.

I can see Mayweather connecting from different angles and quickly moving away as he usually does since he's faster than Cotto. I just don't want Mayweather to have another easy victory with a big name and hear him talking all this crap :-\.

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Cotto is not an easy victory for anybody. He's one hell of a fighter.

If Floyd beat him with ease you'd have to consider him one of the greatest ever

Come on now. Baldomir is 10 times better than Miguel Cotto.

LMAO!

Chino, you killed it.

I guess we should also be comparing PBF to Malignaggi then.

LMAO!

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I guess we have to raise the question again since you have not suggested who you think PBF should fight and why?

Cotto IMO and in many other peoples opinion, is the fight that should be made.

Floyd already left us wanting with Margarito.

I did not want to see ODLH vs PBF nor was I interested in Hatton vs PBF either.

If you don't understand why Floyd should fight Cotto then I have no idea what planet you are on.

Only Floyds fans who are afraid to see Floyd possibly lose, are the ones who don't want to see this fight happen.

If not a tough Cotto? Then who?

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Come on now. Baldomir is 10 times better than Miguel Cotto.
LMAO!
Chino, you killed it.
I guess we should also be comparing PBF to Malignaggi then.
LMAO!

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Aw shoot! ::** Naaaah, I would say Cotto is better than Baldomir but their speed can be comparable, BOTH SLOW compared to Floyd and we have all seen how Floyd glides through slow boxers.

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guess we have to raise the question again since you have not suggested who you think PBF should fight and why?

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At the moment, well, hhhhhmmmmmm...its a tough one because the ones I, and many others, saw with a possibility have already been defeated by him: De La Hoya (a close split decision, questionable) and a clear victory against Hatton.

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Cotto IMO and in many other peoples opinion, is the fight that should be made.

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Umh, *sigh* sure, I don't think there's anybody really out there so why not I guess. The only interesting thing I see in this fight is that Cotto is a big name and that's it. I will keep all my fingers crossed so that Cotto gets lucky in there and finally shuts Floyd's mouth but I doubt it.

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Floyd already left us wanting with Margarito.

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Can pack a punch but too slow as well.

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I did not want to see ODLH vs PBF nor was I interested in Hatton vs PBF either.

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More of a challenge than Cotto and Margarito in my opinion.

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If you don't understand why Floyd should fight Cotto then I have no idea what planet you are on.

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Compare their speed, defense, KO power, foot work, jab, straight, etc. That's why I don't understand all the hype. The only thing I find, umh, interesting, is that Cotto is a big name, that's it.

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Only Floyds fans who are afraid to see Floyd possibly lose, are the ones who don't want to see this fight happen.

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I am not a Floyd fan AT ALL. I recognize his skills but I just want to see him loose BADLY and I don't see Cotto or Margarito pulling a victory at all. I rather see Mayweather at MMA getting his ass handed to him in a silver platter (hopefully).

"I would say Cotto is better than Baldomir"

going out on a limb there aren't you ;D

"but their speed can be comparable"

No

They are both slow compared to Mayweather but Cotto's far quicker than Baldomir, its not comparable

Baldomir and Cotto, both slow but Cotto being better ::**.

Yep! Both are slow compared to Mayweather which makes them easy targets and also easy to get away from trouble.

If we want to see Mayweather loose we'll have a better chance on seeing that if he goes to MMA rather than facing any slow guy already mentioned.

Hhhhhmmmm Williams comes to mind at the moment. Not that of a big name yet and needs to be polished a little bit but at least he has the reach, speed, etc. After De La Hoya and Hatton, can't see any one out there really giving him some challenge :-[ .

All I can say is that Cotto is not as slow as you make him out to be.

All of his best opponents have said the same things about Cotto.

He is faster than I thought.
He hits harder than I thought.
He makes you fight his fight

I will agree that Tony is slower than Cotto but Tony throws and lands punches from odd angles. There was something about Tony's style that did not sit well with PBF and Floyd knows it.

If I had to fight Tony or Baldo? I would pick Baldo 100 times over. You can't blame Floyd for taking Fred Flinstone Baldomir over Tony The Tiger.
On paper Baldo might have been better than Tony because Baldo had the WBC belt but do you honestly think Baldo is better than Tony? And right about now we will hear from Frozen Solid who will bring up Santos and I can just bring up Jose Luis Castillo. Here is your cue FrozenSolid. lol

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Baldomir and Cotto, both slow but Cotto being better ::**.

Yep! Both are slow compared to Mayweather which makes them easy targets and also easy to get away from trouble.

If we want to see Mayweather loose we'll have a better chance on seeing that if he goes to MMA rather than facing any slow guy already mentioned.

Hhhhhmmmm Williams comes to mind at the moment. Not that of a big name yet and needs to be polished a little bit but at least he has the reach, speed, etc. After De La Hoya and Hatton, can't see any one out there really giving him some challenge :-[ .

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Cotto isn't really slow at all, he has excellent timing. He was consistently beating Sugar Shane to the punch in their recent fight and Shane is one of the quickest fighters in boxing.

To compare Cotto to Carlos Baldomir tells me you really don't know what you are talking about.

Probably best wait for Kimbo Slice's next fight, you'll enjoy that ;)

Did Cotto look slow against Mosley?

Just cause he's slower than PBF doesn't mean he's slow. And obviously he's nowhere near as slow as Baldomir, nobody would be silly enough to think that.

So basically so far we've come to the conclusion that PBF's faster than Cotto. Shocking.

And Cotto is slower than PBF but much quicker than Baldomir. Another shocker.

Final question: Do you really honestly think Hatton was more of a test than Cotto?

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Baldomir and Cotto, both slow but Cotto being better ::**.

Yep! Both are slow compared to Mayweather which makes them easy targets and also easy to get away from trouble.

If we want to see Mayweather loose we'll have a better chance on seeing that if he goes to MMA rather than facing any slow guy already mentioned.

Hhhhhmmmm Williams comes to mind at the moment. Not that of a big name yet and needs to be polished a little bit but at least he has the reach, speed, etc. After De La Hoya and Hatton, can't see any one out there really giving him some challenge :-[ .

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Against Oscar, Floyd did not beat up Oscar it was a split decision.
Both fighters came out of that so called fight with very little damage.

Hatton? One dimmensional and did not adjust to Floyd ducking below the waist line. Hatton just kept jumping in and Floyd kept ducking and it was the same thing over and over again and then Floyd after Hatton was totally frustrated, began to get spanked. Many feel that Joe helped in the frustration but all feel Floyd would have still won and I can agree with that because I nor anyone else saw Hatton pull out a plan b or c. Cotto on the other hand, has been groomed as of many moons ago to deal with Floyd. Cotto would be the best prepared fighter for Floyd's style and would give the fans a great fight worth every penny they spent for the event.

It would be Floyds toughest fight he could possibly take at this momment and I believe he would take him. Since seeing that fight against hatton I believe he has too much for any fighter. cotto is good but Floyd just has that supreme countering with good defence and I believe he would just outwork cotto and win a UD

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Don't get me wrong, Cotto has shown to have what it takes to be a champion but I somehow can't see him winning against Floyd Mayweather Jr. I am surprised to see that on HBO polls and even here in the forum people are dying to see this fight.

I want Mayweather to loose badly really as much as I wanted to see Naseem Hamed but I can't see Cotto doing much really. Predictable, slow (compared to Floyd), etc. I can imagine seeing what happened to Baldomir for a 2nd time but this time with Cotto in the ring.

I don't understand all the hype ???.

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...nah i'm sorta a fan of cotto but i give him no chance of beating floyd as well. Before it was hatton, then oscar, now it's cotto. There's no one that can beat him right now but they gotta keep the public's hope alive of someone beating him.

Mayweather would be the clear favorite going into a fight with Cotto. But Cotto is a legit full-size welterweight in his prime, and therefore he would force Floyd to bring his A game.

The only chance Ricky Hatton had was if Floyd showed up completely out-of-shape. Floyd didn't need a grade-A performance to beat Hatton, he would need an A-performance to beat Cotto.

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All I can say is that Cotto is not as slow as you make him out to be.

All of his best opponents have said the same things about Cotto.

He is faster than I thought.
He hits harder than I thought.
He makes you fight his fight

I will agree that Tony is slower than Cotto but Tony throws and lands punches from odd angles. There was something about Tony's style that did not sit well with PBF and Floyd knows it.

If I had to fight Tony or Baldo? I would pick Baldo 100 times over. You can't blame Floyd for taking Fred Flinstone Baldomir over Tony The Tiger.
On paper Baldo might have been better than Tony because Baldo had the WBC belt but do you honestly think Baldo is better than Tony? And right about now we will hear from Frozen Solid who will bring up Santos and I can just bring up Jose Luis Castillo. Here is your cue FrozenSolid. lol

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LOL Shit I even give Hatton a chance if he fights Baldo LOL

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If Cotto is the BEST fighter Mayweather can face in 2008 then there's not so much challenge out there I guess ::** . Do I want Cotto to win? OF COURSE! I want ANYBODY to beat Mayweather in a convincing fashion but I can't see Cotto's style dominating Mayweather in the ring.

I can see Mayweather connecting from different angles and quickly moving away as he usually does since he's faster than Cotto. I just don't want Mayweather to have another easy victory with a big name and hear him talking all this crap :-\.

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Chino, is Cotto better than Hatton, Gatti, or Baldomir? If you say yes then you can at least admit that Cotto will give Floyd a tougher time than those guys did.

Cotto is slow WTF ?? i see him throw 10+ punch combination against Lovemore N'dou in a blink of an eye. Baldomir and Cotto are not even close speed wise.

Cotto definately has a chance of beating Mayweather. The best chance of anybody out there at the minute (including paul williams imo)

I just honestly don't see Mayweather losing to anyone. I just feel Mayweather is masterfully clever and if Cotto gets ragged in any part of the fight, i think he is in trouble.

I go Mayweather UD 116-112 ish.

No offence to the Cotto fan's on here.

Cotto is SLOW as BALDO?

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Let's see Baldo

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You where joking right Chino? ;D

I am a Mayweather fan, we grew up a few miles from each other. I've met him, but I don't know him. Often overlooked is that underneath that tuff guy exterior Floyd has donated countless money and time to charitable causes in our home town. Yeah, Floyd and his family come off as assholes even to fellow Grand Rapidians, but thats just the front they have had to put up to survive. Don't forget Big Floyd did some hard time in prison for Cocaine trafficking. Plus Little floyd seems to be maturing at east a little bit as of late.

As for Cotto. I think this fight will happen and I look forward to it. Cotto is good, I have always liked him, but he is another relatively simple fight for Floyd. He has slow foot speed, plods in and gets hit. He has his chin tucked into his chest, limiting his head movement and also leaving him prime to catch uppercuts on the inside. Why Mosely didn't throw some uppercuts is beyond me, that fight was there for his taking and he gave away too many rounds. Cotto works the body good, and throws good punches. He has a decent chin which he'll need. This won't be an easy fight for Floyd, but it won't be among his most difficult. UD Floyd 116-112 or TKO in 10 or 11. The biggest obstacle is that Cotto may have to make another big fight before he is appealing enough to draw Floyd and this fight could be De la hoya. I think De la hoya is a bad fight for Cotto and Oscar has a 50-50 chance to beat him. I'd rather see Cotto and Margo fight and the winner get Floyd.

As a Mayweather fan I'd love to see the Cotto fight now and I don't think Cotto has better than a 3-1 chance to win that fight. He'll do better than Hatton and Baldimir but not better than Judah or ODLH. The toughest fights for Mayweather IMO are a rematch with ODLH, a fight with Margo in 08' or a fight with Williams in 09' or 10'. ODLH will learn from some of his mistakes and maybe get Floyd to trade more. Margo is so big and strong, he will give Floyd trouble and Williams if he develops more could pose perhaps the biggest threat a year or 2 down the road although he'd be beaten easily right now. Floyd will be a favorite in all of these fights, but ODLH and Margarito pose the stiffest competition for him IMO. These fights worry me much more than a Cotto fight.

People are acting like Cotto is some huge guy or something, he is almost 2 inches shorter than Floyd and gives up 5 inches in reach. Cotto is also a guy like Floyd who is a natural 140 lber. He is strong, but Floyd has faced stronger. Its a good challenge and a fight I'd love to see, but its not a fight that worries me as a Floyd fan.

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I am a Mayweather fan, we grew up a few miles from each other. I've met him, but I don't know him. Often overlooked is that underneath that tuff guy exterior Floyd has donated countless money and time to charitable causes in our home town. Yeah, Floyd and his family come off as assholes even to fellow Grand Rapidians, but thats just the front they have had to put up to survive. Don't forget Big Floyd did some hard time in prison for Cocaine trafficking. Plus Little floyd seems to be maturing at east a little bit as of late.

As for Cotto. I think this fight will happen and I look forward to it. Cotto is good, I have always liked him, but he is another relatively simple fight for Floyd. He has slow foot speed, plods in and gets hit. He has his chin tucked into his chest, limiting his head movement and also leaving him prime to catch uppercuts on the inside. Why Mosely didn't throw some uppercuts is beyond me, that fight was there for his taking and he gave away too many rounds. Cotto works the body good, and throws good punches. He has a decent chin which he'll need. This won't be an easy fight for Floyd, but it won't be among his most difficult. UD Floyd 116-112 or TKO in 10 or 11. The biggest obstacle is that Cotto may have to make another big fight before he is appealing enough to draw Floyd and this fight could be De la hoya. I think De la hoya is a bad fight for Cotto and Oscar has a 50-50 chance to beat him. I'd rather see Cotto and Margo fight and the winner get Floyd.

As a Mayweather fan I'd love to see the Cotto fight now and I don't think Cotto has better than a 3-1 chance to win that fight. He'll do better than Hatton and Baldimir but not better than Judah or ODLH. The toughest fights for Mayweather IMO are a rematch with ODLH, a fight with Margo in 08' or a fight with Williams in 09' or 10'. ODLH will learn from some of his mistakes and maybe get Floyd to trade more. Margo is so big and strong, he will give Floyd trouble and Williams if he develops more could pose perhaps the biggest threat a year or 2 down the road although he'd be beaten easily right now. Floyd will be a favorite in all of these fights, but ODLH and Margarito pose the stiffest competition for him IMO. These fights worry me much more than a Cotto fight.

People are acting like Cotto is some huge guy or something, he is almost 2 inches shorter than Floyd and gives up 5 inches in reach. Cotto is also a guy like Floyd who is a natural 140 lber. He is strong, but Floyd has faced stronger. Its a good challenge and a fight I'd love to see, but its not a fight that worries me as a Floyd fan.

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If Mosley fights Oscar again? who will you pick? Cotto win over Mosley has the same or greater value of Mayweather win over OSCAR

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I am a Mayweather fan, we grew up a few miles from each other. I've met him, but I don't know him. Often overlooked is that underneath that tuff guy exterior Floyd has donated countless money and time to charitable causes in our home town. Yeah, Floyd and his family come off as assholes even to fellow Grand Rapidians, but thats just the front they have had to put up to survive. Don't forget Big Floyd did some hard time in prison for Cocaine trafficking. Plus Little floyd seems to be maturing at east a little bit as of late.

As for Cotto. I think this fight will happen and I look forward to it. Cotto is good, I have always liked him, but he is another relatively simple fight for Floyd. He has slow foot speed, plods in and gets hit. He has his chin tucked into his chest, limiting his head movement and also leaving him prime to catch uppercuts on the inside. Why Mosely didn't throw some uppercuts is beyond me, that fight was there for his taking and he gave away too many rounds. Cotto works the body good, and throws good punches. He has a decent chin which he'll need. This won't be an easy fight for Floyd, but it won't be among his most difficult. UD Floyd 116-112 or TKO in 10 or 11. The biggest obstacle is that Cotto may have to make another big fight before he is appealing enough to draw Floyd and this fight could be De la hoya. I think De la hoya is a bad fight for Cotto and Oscar has a 50-50 chance to beat him. I'd rather see Cotto and Margo fight and the winner get Floyd.

As a Mayweather fan I'd love to see the Cotto fight now and I don't think Cotto has better than a 3-1 chance to win that fight. He'll do better than Hatton and Baldimir but not better than Judah or ODLH. The toughest fights for Mayweather IMO are a rematch with ODLH, a fight with Margo in 08' or a fight with Williams in 09' or 10'. ODLH will learn from some of his mistakes and maybe get Floyd to trade more. Margo is so big and strong, he will give Floyd trouble and Williams if he develops more could pose perhaps the biggest threat a year or 2 down the road although he'd be beaten easily right now. Floyd will be a favorite in all of these fights, but ODLH and Margarito pose the stiffest competition for him IMO. These fights worry me much more than a Cotto fight.

People are acting like Cotto is some huge guy or something, he is almost 2 inches shorter than Floyd and gives up 5 inches in reach. Cotto is also a guy like Floyd who is a natural 140 lber. He is strong, but Floyd has faced stronger. Its a good challenge and a fight I'd love to see, but its not a fight that worries me as a Floyd fan.

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If Mosley fights Oscar again? who will you pick? Cotto win over Mosley has the same or greater value of Mayweather win over OSCAR

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You seem to be overlooking the fact that Mayweather jumped up in weight to fight Oscar. Do you think the Cotto vs. Mosley fight would have had the same result at 154?

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I am a Mayweather fan, we grew up a few miles from each other. I've met him, but I don't know him. Often overlooked is that underneath that tuff guy exterior Floyd has donated countless money and time to charitable causes in our home town. Yeah, Floyd and his family come off as assholes even to fellow Grand Rapidians, but thats just the front they have had to put up to survive. Don't forget Big Floyd did some hard time in prison for Cocaine trafficking. Plus Little floyd seems to be maturing at east a little bit as of late.

As for Cotto. I think this fight will happen and I look forward to it. Cotto is good, I have always liked him, but he is another relatively simple fight for Floyd. He has slow foot speed, plods in and gets hit. He has his chin tucked into his chest, limiting his head movement and also leaving him prime to catch uppercuts on the inside. Why Mosely didn't throw some uppercuts is beyond me, that fight was there for his taking and he gave away too many rounds. Cotto works the body good, and throws good punches. He has a decent chin which he'll need. This won't be an easy fight for Floyd, but it won't be among his most difficult. UD Floyd 116-112 or TKO in 10 or 11. The biggest obstacle is that Cotto may have to make another big fight before he is appealing enough to draw Floyd and this fight could be De la hoya. I think De la hoya is a bad fight for Cotto and Oscar has a 50-50 chance to beat him. I'd rather see Cotto and Margo fight and the winner get Floyd.

As a Mayweather fan I'd love to see the Cotto fight now and I don't think Cotto has better than a 3-1 chance to win that fight. He'll do better than Hatton and Baldimir but not better than Judah or ODLH. The toughest fights for Mayweather IMO are a rematch with ODLH, a fight with Margo in 08' or a fight with Williams in 09' or 10'. ODLH will learn from some of his mistakes and maybe get Floyd to trade more. Margo is so big and strong, he will give Floyd trouble and Williams if he develops more could pose perhaps the biggest threat a year or 2 down the road although he'd be beaten easily right now. Floyd will be a favorite in all of these fights, but ODLH and Margarito pose the stiffest competition for him IMO. These fights worry me much more than a Cotto fight.

People are acting like Cotto is some huge guy or something, he is almost 2 inches shorter than Floyd and gives up 5 inches in reach. Cotto is also a guy like Floyd who is a natural 140 lber. He is strong, but Floyd has faced stronger. Its a good challenge and a fight I'd love to see, but its not a fight that worries me as a Floyd fan.

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You seem to be overlooking the fact that Mayweather jumped up in weight to fight Oscar. Do you think the Cotto vs. Mosley fight would have had the same result at 154?

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Floyd went in there with 149 Lb and If that fight would have been at 154 it would have been easier. Mosley was in Better shape at 147 (Fast) and Stamina than a 154 ( you could see him getting tired and with less combinations)

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Baldomir and Cotto, both slow but Cotto being better ::**.

Yep! Both are slow compared to Mayweather which makes them easy targets and also easy to get away from trouble.

If we want to see Mayweather loose we'll have a better chance on seeing that if he goes to MMA rather than facing any slow guy already mentioned.

Hhhhhmmmm Williams comes to mind at the moment. Not that of a big name yet and needs to be polished a little bit but at least he has the reach, speed, etc. After De La Hoya and Hatton, can't see any one out there really giving him some challenge :-[ .

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Cotto isn't really slow at all, he has excellent timing. He was consistently beating Sugar Shane to the punch in their recent fight and Shane is one of the quickest fighters in boxing.

To compare Cotto to Carlos Baldomir tells me you really don't know what you are talking about.

Probably best wait for Kimbo Slice's next fight, you'll enjoy that ;)

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CC. :)

I wonder how many SC's I will get for this ;D

Cotto is underrated at Welterweight, especially his boxing skills. He has proved he carries the weight very well and improves and gains momentum every fight.


Mayweather is Overrated at Welterweight. He has not proved his stock at this weight at all IMO. I don't care about his past accomplishments, or that he is the worlds most gifted boxer etc... That was in other weight classes. Sure he beat ODLH, but OLDH was suffering from inactivity and being over the hill. For now, I consider Cotto the favorite to win.

I pick Cotto by Decision, simply because his offense will get to Mayweather and put Mayweather in a defensive shell for 12 rounds. Cotto will outwork him plain and simple. Taking the easy route like Floyd has done lately will not prepare him for Cotto.

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Baldomir and Cotto, both slow but Cotto being better ::**.

Yep! Both are slow compared to Mayweather which makes them easy targets and also easy to get away from trouble.

If we want to see Mayweather loose we'll have a better chance on seeing that if he goes to MMA rather than facing any slow guy already mentioned.

Hhhhhmmmm Williams comes to mind at the moment. Not that of a big name yet and needs to be polished a little bit but at least he has the reach, speed, etc. After De La Hoya and Hatton, can't see any one out there really giving him some challenge :-[ .

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Cotto isn't really slow at all, he has excellent timing. He was consistently beating Sugar Shane to the punch in their recent fight and Shane is one of the quickest fighters in boxing.

To compare Cotto to Carlos Baldomir tells me you really don't know what you are talking about.

Probably best wait for Kimbo Slice's next fight, you'll enjoy that ;)

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I agree.

It seems that I've either underestimated Cotto for a long time, or he's improving tons in every fight. I always thought he was kinda slow, but in the Mosley fight he appeared to develop great speed, seemingly overnight. I've also noticed that he gets hit with some lethal punches but never seems to actually get hurt.

Don't get me wrong, I think that he can be outboxed and lose a decision to Mayweather pretty one-sidedly. I'm just saying that he's either the 2nd or 3rd best welterweight out there (at least until Zab gets back to where he was)

As for your Kimbo Slice reference.......

I never watch MMA, but I did catch the Kimbo Slice debut and that looked pretty fixed to me. Slice grazed his head with a punch and the guy gets kncked out??

FIXED!

Mosely looked like crap in that fight, he quit in the last 5 rounds. I think De la hoya beats Mosely right now. Oscar looked pretty good against Mayweather, good hand speed and tenacity. Mosely looked lost like he didn't want to fight. I think that ODLH for Floyd was a slightly better win for him than the Mosely victory for Cotto, although both are great wins IMO. Mosely just looked bad in that fight, maybe Cotto made him look bad, I don't know, but Mosely just stopped doing what was working for him he was winning the fight after 8 or 9 rounds. Plus Mosely's head movement was the worst I had ever seen it throughout the fight.

I like Cotto and have followed him for almost 20 fights. I just don't see any unique challenges that he presents to Floyd. He is solid in a lot of areas, but I don't see him as being outstanding in many. Good hand speed, fairly accurate puncher, good power, good body puncher, better than average chin and a good heart. On the negative, slow footed, average counter puncher, average defense, little head movement. Add it all up and you have a very good fighter, just not one that presents a huge challenge for Floyd IMO. He comes forward and will walk right into Floyd's lead rights and will get caught on the inside with uppercuts. If he works the body like an animal its his only hope, but then again doesn't every fighter say they are going to do this and somehow Floyd usually outworks his opponents to the body. Those odds would open at 3-1 if that fight were made today, but would probably drop by fight time after all the selling of the fight takes place.

Does Cotto have a chance? Sure he does. Probably about a 1 in 4 (25%)chance once the odds makers have their say. IMO he has about a 1 in 5 (%20) chance so I probably wouldn't bet on him at 3-1. If I could get 7-2 at the start, I'd have to consider dropping a bill on him only to bet the other way when the odds dropped towards fight time.

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Cotto frustrated Mosley. Hit him enough times to swell both sides of that face of his.
You think Mosley was frustrated just because it was the thing to do? No! It was because Cotto presents more of a challenge once he is in the ring. He is like a magician. Have you ever seen a magician do his magic in slow motion? I have, and the magician still get's away with the trick because he is that damn good at what he does. Cotto had Mosley baffled at times, didn't he? Mosley thought he was going to have his way with Cotto and yet Cotto came and faught a totaly different fight. Mosley said he was sparring with Mexican fighters and tried to compare them to Cotto. Miguel is not Mexican and it was stupid of him to think that Mexican's and Puerto Ricans have the same style. Absurd and way off the mark Mosley.

Magician. Thats funny. You were making a joke right? Cotto is very good I do not doubt that. What is unique about him though? Tell me, what unique challenges he will present to Floyd? What skills does he possess that are so much better than anyone else Floyd has fought?

If he had absolute brutal power that would be something, but he has only good power. If he had faster hands than Floyd that would be a thing although Judah has faster hands than both of them and they both beat Judah. If he could move his feet with Floyd that would be something special, or if he defended like Floyd. What specifically does he do so well that it will win him the fight? Cotto is a very good and well rounded fighter, just nothing special IMO and not someone who will beat Floyd IMO.

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Originally Posted by Chino

Don't get me wrong, Cotto has shown to have what it takes to be a champion but I somehow can't see him winning against Floyd Mayweather Jr. I am surprised to see that on HBO polls and even here in the forum people are dying to see this fight.

I want Mayweather to loose badly really as much as I wanted to see Naseem Hamed but I can't see Cotto doing much really. Predictable, slow (compared to Floyd), etc. I can imagine seeing what happened to Baldomir for a 2nd time but this time with Cotto in the ring.

I don't understand all the hype ???.

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I actually think Floyd would have an easier time beating Cotto than he did with the Fatboy!
I cannot see how Cotto would not be eating PBF's jab all night long and it's a UD for Floyd.

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Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN

Mosely looked like crap in that fight, he quit in the last 5 rounds. I think De la hoya beats Mosely right now. Oscar looked pretty good against Mayweather, good hand speed and tenacity. Mosely looked lost like he didn't want to fight. I think that ODLH for Floyd was a slightly better win for him than the Mosely victory for Cotto, although both are great wins IMO. Mosely just looked bad in that fight, maybe Cotto made him look bad, I don't know, but Mosely just stopped doing what was working for him he was winning the fight after 8 or 9 rounds. Plus Mosely's head movement was the worst I had ever seen it throughout the fight.

I like Cotto and have followed him for almost 20 fights. I just don't see any unique challenges that he presents to Floyd. He is solid in a lot of areas, but I don't see him as being outstanding in many. Good hand speed, fairly accurate puncher, good power, good body puncher, better than average chin and a good heart. On the negative, slow footed, average counter puncher, average defense, little head movement. Add it all up and you have a very good fighter, just not one that presents a huge challenge for Floyd IMO. He comes forward and will walk right into Floyd's lead rights and will get caught on the inside with uppercuts. If he works the body like an animal its his only hope, but then again doesn't every fighter say they are going to do this and somehow Floyd usually outworks his opponents to the body. Those odds would open at 3-1 if that fight were made today, but would probably drop by fight time after all the selling of the fight takes place.

Does Cotto have a chance? Sure he does. Probably about a 1 in 4 (25%)chance once the odds makers have their say. IMO he has about a 1 in 5 (%20) chance so I probably wouldn't bet on him at 3-1. If I could get 7-2 at the start, I'd have to consider dropping a bill on him only to bet the other way when the odds dropped towards fight time.

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Good posting CC fro bringing more info
but the Bold comments tells that Cotto's opponents tend to do that meaning that by round 5 MOsley started to respect Cotto more.

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Magician. Thats funny. You were making a joke right? Cotto is very good I do not doubt that. What is unique about him though? Tell me, what unique challenges he will present to Floyd? What skills does he possess that are so much better than anyone else Floyd has fought?

If he had absolute brutal power that would be something, but he has only good power. If he had faster hands than Floyd that would be a thing although Judah has faster hands than both of them and they both beat Judah. If he could move his feet with Floyd that would be something special, or if he defended like Floyd. What specifically does he do so well that it will win him the fight? Cotto is a very good and well rounded fighter, just nothing special IMO and not someone who will beat Floyd IMO.

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I don't see how anybody could say that Cotto's power is anything short of "brutal." In fact, that might be the best word to describe Cotto's power. Did you miss the Malignaggi fight? That was at 140 where Cotto was sort of mediocre. Paulie had to have reconstructive surgery on his face, in case you forgot. Since he's gone to 147, he's an absolute beast. I probably don't need to mention the Quintana and Judah fights because I'm sure that you've seen them.

Speed? He's got that too. I don't know where it came from or how he got it, but it was there in the Mosley fight. His timing might be his greatest strength, or it might be his new found granite chin.

I'm no Cotto fan, but I'll admit that he's not to be overlooked.

Mayweather would win a clean UD, though.

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Magician. Thats funny. You were making a joke right? Cotto is very good I do not doubt that. What is unique about him though? Tell me, what unique challenges he will present to Floyd? What skills does he possess that are so much better than anyone else Floyd has fought?

If he had absolute brutal power that would be something, but he has only good power. If he had faster hands than Floyd that would be a thing although Judah has faster hands than both of them and they both beat Judah. If he could move his feet with Floyd that would be something special, or if he defended like Floyd. What specifically does he do so well that it will win him the fight? Cotto is a very good and well rounded fighter, just nothing special IMO and not someone who will beat Floyd IMO.

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You are right. Cotto does not posses superman power, I agree. He still has the magic which you fail to see. His opponents fail to see it too, until it is way too late and the trick has been performed on their @ss. It is not what you have seen that leads me to believe Cotto can beat PBF, it is what you have not seen that can beat him. Cotto knows how to land his punches unlike Hatton. Hatton was always throwing his punch high into the air. Cotto knows how to neutralize a fighter who ducks so low and can also neutralize the shoulder roll. I have seen it and Floyd and Roger will be in for a shock when Cotto sends Floyd to the corner frustrated. For the first time, you will not hear Roger tell Floyd "KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING" I think we will hear something more like "Oh Shiet" How did this stupid motha phuka solve the riddle?" The answer? Grooming and preparation.

I think PBF wins this one ez,for reasons I stated in other post,the robotic Cotto will be crushed in a land slide victory for PBF!