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Cotto vs. Williams is a must.
These two need to fight so that the #1 contender spot is cemented. Everybody is yelling about how Mayweather needs to fight one of these two to prve that he's the best. But let's be serious, Cotto beat Mosley (who was the same age as Oscar when Floyd fought him, but the Cotto fans always seem to forget that when they're talking about "old Oscar Delahoya," nevermind the fact that Floyd jumped up in weight AGAIN for Oscar) and a Zab Judah that was dominated by Floyd Mayweather. Paul Williams gave an extremely over-rated Margarito (who has yet to beat a top fighter) a boxing lesson, and beat up on Matheysse.
What needs to happen is this, while Mayweather is taking his much deserved vacation, let Williams and Cotto have another fight with some "C level," competition (Margarito, Cintron, etc.) in order to build up their names some more. Then towards the end of the year, they fight each other in what would probably be the biggest fight possible without having Floyd Mayweather Jr. in it. This of course would set the stage for a for a Mayweather vs. Cotto/Williams mega fight in late 2008 or early 2009.
Of course, this probably won't happen because Bob Arum might not be so inclined to let another one of his cash cows in the ring with Paul Williams again. Remember when Arum first found out about Margarito fighting Williams instead of Cotto? Remember when he threatened to sue Margarito for that? Ahhh.... good times.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Williams-Cotto
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I will love to see that fight but first Let's see Cotto vs Mayweather.
LOL nice try frozen
Or do you want for Floyd to study Cotto more? LOL
I want Cotto to fight high profile fighters. Mosley( 1 down), Oscar, Floyd then after that's done let's see the fights with Margo(he was high profile but he lost to PW), Williams, Cintron etc.
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This would be a great fight, and the biggest test for either man.
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Paul Williams needs this fight because it's good for his legacy, it's a big payday, it's an elite fighter, etc because he won't be able to make 147 much longer and that's where all the big fights are at.
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Paul Williams needs this fight because it's good for his legacy, it's a big payday, it's an elite fighter, etc because he won't be able to make 147 much longer and that's where all the big fights are at.
Yes you are right is the same way Cotto needs Floyd so he can establish a legacy
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Paul Williams needs this fight because it's good for his legacy, it's a big payday, it's an elite fighter, etc because he won't be able to make 147 much longer and that's where all the big fights are at.
Yes you are right is the same way Cotto needs Floyd so he can establish a legacy
You don't think it would make for a better fight down the road with Mayweather if Cotto unified with Williams first? Perhaps you're worried that Williams would beat Cotto? Personally, I think that Cotto would beat Williams without any controversy, but if you look at the $$$ that Mayweather has made in his last couple fights then even the most die-hard Cotto fan would agree that he's gonna need to do something huge (Mosley was huge, one more mega fight would get him there, imo) if he's gonna come close to bringing the kind of money that a Mayweather fight commands.
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I would love to see this fight.
I think Cotto's tallest opponent was Sammy Sparkman..
I know that Sammy is no Williams but at least Cotto has beat up on some one much taller than him with a very large reach advantage too.
I want to see Cotto fight Williams, Margarito, Clottey and Cintron in what ever order they might come.
Also, I would love to see andre berto step up to cotto just for the fun of it. Arum was talking about having Cotto fight Alfonso Gomez. lol
I would also love to see Malignaggi move up like he said he would to face Cotto again. That would be fun to watch because of all the shiet Paulie talked he would only get sparked again but in a worse fashion.
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I don't know if it's a must, but it should happen and I think it will. Then Floyd will fight the winner and retire. If PBF waits for these two fight, then fights the winner, he'll be able to ride off into the sunset without being questioned, except by extreme, illogical haters.
Here is my prediction - Cotto and Williams fight, Cotto wins, fights Mayweather. Mayweather "retires" win or lose. After a loss to Cotto, Williams moves up spends a year or two 154, then jumps up to 160 and gets at least a share of that belt (although Andy Lee might have something to say about that). Kind of Like of like when Leonard beat Hearns, he moved up to dominate 154 en route to his showdown with Marvin. Then when Williams grabs a share of the MW title, Mayweather comes out of retirement making his last hurrah trying to grab one more division.
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. But let's be serious, Cotto beat Mosley (who was the same age as Oscar when Floyd fought him, but the Cotto fans always seem to forget that when they're talking a
Actually Mosely was 2 years older almost exactly. Oscar was 34 and 3 months when he fought Floyd and Shane was 36 years and 2 months when he fought Cotto.
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. But let's be serious, Cotto beat Mosley (who was the same age as Oscar when Floyd fought him, but the Cotto fans always seem to forget that when they're talking a
Actually Mosely was 2 years older almost exactly. Oscar was 34 and 3 months when he fought Floyd and Shane was 36 years and 2 months when he fought Cotto.
Thanks.
I guess that really does put an end to the whole "old man Delahoya," nonsense by the Cotto fans.
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Hi guys firstable Happy New Year , yeap that fight with Paul W. i dont see it , the g one is d`laoya and then Floyd and i want let yu know guys Cotto is the best in that weight 147lb. more strong , more hard punch , and have diferenet strategy to how fight with his oponent , have in addition speed , hey man he got all the tools for fight Floyd and knock him , that is what Floyd have scare i bet yu that guys . 8)
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. But let's be serious, Cotto beat Mosley (who was the same age as Oscar when Floyd fought him, but the Cotto fans always seem to forget that when they're talking a
Actually Mosely was 2 years older almost exactly. Oscar was 34 and 3 months when he fought Floyd and Shane was 36 years and 2 months when he fought Cotto.
Thanks.
I guess that really does put an end to the whole "old man Delahoya," nonsense by the Cotto fans.
So? If Shane and Oscar got busy in 2008 against each other you would pick?
I think you can throw the roids into this conversation. lol
Just your thoughts though.
I would like to see Shane/ODLH 3 in 2008 for the sake of argument but ODLH has to spread the wealth and give some one less fortunate a chance at the big money. Who knows, either one might throw the fight since they take showers together and all.
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. But let's be serious, Cotto beat Mosley (who was the same age as Oscar when Floyd fought him, but the Cotto fans always seem to forget that when they're talking a
Actually Mosely was 2 years older almost exactly. Oscar was 34 and 3 months when he fought Floyd and Shane was 36 years and 2 months when he fought Cotto.
Thanks.
I guess that really does put an end to the whole "old man Delahoya," nonsense by the Cotto fans.
So? If Shane and Oscar got busy in 2008 against each other you would pick?
I think you can throw the roids into this conversation. lol
Just your thoughts though.
I would like to see Shane/ODLH 3 in 2008 for the sake of argument but ODLH has to spread the wealth and give some one less fortunate a chance at the big money. Who knows, either one might throw the fight since they take showers together and all.
Tough call.
I think that Oscar's days at 147 are/should be over. He's too big, and now seems to rely on power more than anything else.
If it took place at 154, I'd probably go with Oscar. It would be great for 9-10 rounds, then Delahoya and Mosley would be so tired that they would just sit there and hold each other until it was over.
Oscar SD, not without controversy though. Unless Shane starts doing steroids again, because that would give him that something extra that he needed to beat Oscar in the first place.
But I should add that I don't think that Cotto beats Delahoya at 154 :o
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If I were Mayweather I would want Cotto v Williams to happen then fight the winner. If PBF beats Cotto then people will say he needs to fight Williams. If PBF beats Williams people would say he still needs to fight Cotto.
Who ever wins would then have claim to beating 2 dangerous opponents i.e. Cotto (Moseley and Williams), Williams (Margarito and Cotto).
Hopefully PBF v Cotto/Williams winner will be Dec 08.
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Williams pitter pat punches arent gonna get thru the guard, so williams is gonna have to crank up the pace and try to avoid getting rocked with counters like Mosely did..
The key to beating Cotto is to dig his body and uppercut him to rip the inside of his mouth open like it has been the last few fights,there is no amount of surgery that can protect the delicate tissue in the mouth, that scar tissue will rip everytime and will prove to be an achilles heal against a real good fighter that can mix his punches well and combo effectively... Cotto has a high tight guard and ripping to the body and uppercutting him will drop those hands and out will pop his controversial chin. Can Williams be that guy, who knows ??? but it would be a good fight.
Contrary to what a few posters would have you believe that he is the 2nd coming of Christ, Cotto has some glaring deficiences that a smart fighter can expose.
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yeh I'd definatley like to see Oscar v Cotto first regardless of what Oscar detractors have to say about him, it would be a damn good fight. If Cotto won his stock would easily be big enough for a Floyd mega fight.
Williams would have to unify the WBO, IBF and WBA by fighting Cintron and Cotto in order to force a fight with Mayweather.
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Tall Paul is the BOOGEYMAN. Cotto dont want this fight. It will destroy everything he work so hard for. His place in line. He better close his eyes and count 1,2,3, and hope Tall Paul disappears into thin air. Cotto and his fans always had a double standard. Do the samething Floyd do. Paul beat Margo, took his place in line. Cotto Knows the same thing will happen to him so lets come up with every excuse in the book not to fight him. Its about #1(cotto)vs.#2(Tall Paul). But we see the best dont want to fight the best just look for a BIG PAYDAY. Just like Mayweather. Cotto and Mayweather 2 peas in a pod. AVOID THE BOOGEYMAN. Get a dog if U scared, Punks.
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Although I like the idea of Cotto fighting Williams to determined who fights Floyd, I don't like the idea of Mayweather sitting idle in the interim. Maybe Floyd could rematch DLH but would anyone be interested in that? So for me I'd prefer to see Floyd & Cotto get it on next. Then if need be Mayweather can fight Williams. At least this way Floyd keeps fighting & ain't sitting on the side lines "retired"
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I think Cotto beats Williams. Williams is an unproven commodity. He beat Margo, but I think Margo has him figured out and will win a rematch. Cotto will chop him down 2 out of 3 times. In a couple more years, who knows. But I doubt Williams will be able to make 147 in a year or 2. People are caught up in the tale of the tape; 6-1, 82 inch reach, when in this case the tape that is more important is on film. Cotto has shown more versatile, more complete and a better all around boxer than Williams in his fights.
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Paul Williams needs this fight because it's good for his legacy, it's a big payday, it's an elite fighter, etc because he won't be able to make 147 much longer and that's where all the big fights are at.
Yes you are right is the same way Cotto needs Floyd so he can establish a legacy
You don't think it would make for a better fight down the road with Mayweather if Cotto unified with Williams first? Perhaps you're worried that Williams would beat Cotto? Personally, I think that Cotto would beat Williams without any controversy, but if you look at the $$$ that Mayweather has made in his last couple fights then even the most die-hard Cotto fan would agree that he's gonna need to do something huge (Mosley was huge, one more mega fight would get him there, imo) if he's gonna come close to bringing the kind of money that a Mayweather fight commands.
I don't care how much they will make since I will have nothing of that cake I'm a boxing fan not their promoters so I say let's see them fight now
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This would be great if Cotto-PBF for whatever reason doesn't get made next.
I don't think though that Cotto for some reason has to fight Paul to earn a shot at Floyd, Cotto's done more to deserve a shot at Floyd than Paul has. Paul has one win really, that may be because people are ducking him although there's no reason whatsoever yet to say that Cotto's ducking him.
But its an interesting fight and definitely if Cotto-Floyd doesn't come off, its the fight to make.
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Willaims is a challenge for anybody and Cotto is Cotto. It would be a superfight in my eyes and with the clash of styles a tense fight also.
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If I were a welterweight I would not get within 82 inches of Williams ;D.
Williams is trouble for anybody but if the fight does get made, I'd give Cotto a good shot of taking him out sinse Williams does not have the power to stop the constant preasure that Cotto will bring.
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Though the tape doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight, look how much difference in size and reach there is. Cotto is what; 5'7 with a 66 or 67 inch reach? PW is 6'1 with 82 inch reach. Margarito had difficulty getting inside PW, and when he did alot of times PW would tie him up until the ref broke it and off PW would go again on the backfoot while throwing a billion jabs. If people thought Hatton looked like a dwarf next to Floyd, Cotto will look even smaller next to PW and be at a severe disadvantage IMO.
Though Cotto is very adaptable, he can't sit there and box PW, as for one the reach will be too much and 2, PW won't stand there in front stationary like Mosley did. Cotto has to break that body, but will have to get inside 1st and not let PW tie him up. I see PW winning a pretty convincing points decision. I like both, but will be pulling for Cotto all the way, and I don't see him ducking anyone. That honor in that division is left to Cintron.
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Though the tape doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight, look how much difference in size and reach there is. Cotto is what; 5'7 with a 66 or 67 inch reach? PW is 6'1 with 82 inch reach. Margarito had difficulty getting inside PW, and when he did alot of times PW would tie him up until the ref broke it and off PW would go again on the backfoot while throwing a billion jabs. If people thought Hatton looked like a dwarf next to Floyd, Cotto will look even smaller next to PW and be at a severe disadvantage IMO.
Though Cotto is very adaptable, he can't sit there and box PW, as for one the reach will be too much and 2, PW won't stand there in front stationary like Mosley did. Cotto has to break that body, but will have to get inside 1st and not let PW tie him up. I see PW winning a pretty convincing points decision. I like both, but will be pulling for Cotto all the way, and I don't see him ducking anyone. That honor in that division is left to Cintron.
CC, this was the point I was going to make. If Margarito, a BIG welter at 5'11", had trouble getting inside Williams, how the hell is Cotto at 5'7" going to manage it? He won't be able to fight on the outside like he did against Moseley because of the reach disadvantage. His only option is to plow ahead and try to force his way inside. And before anybody tells me about Williams "pitter pat" punches, if that were the case, why didn't Margarito just plow his way threw and take him out? I'm not saying he's Hearns or anything, but it is easy to call punches "pitter pat" when you aren't the one taking a sweeping uppercut to the jaw. It's a hell of a tough test for Cotto. As versatile as Cotto is, with all of Williams' physical advantages (I mean, my god, his reach is only 1" shorter than Wlad's!), I honestly can't think of a strategy that Cotto could employ to beat beat him on points. His best chance would be a knockout, but Williams has proven to have a stout beard, so that would be a mighty tough task. I think Arum ducks this fight for as long as is possible.
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Also, I would love to see andre berto step up to cotto just for the fun of it. Arum was talking about having Cotto fight Alfonso Gomez. lol
i'd only wanna see Cotto fight Gomez to show how badly Gatti was already done, plus to kinda kill the whole Contender gimmick
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Though the tape doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight, look how much difference in size and reach there is. Cotto is what; 5'7 with a 66 or 67 inch reach? PW is 6'1 with 82 inch reach. Margarito had difficulty getting inside PW, and when he did alot of times PW would tie him up until the ref broke it and off PW would go again on the backfoot while throwing a billion jabs. If people thought Hatton looked like a dwarf next to Floyd, Cotto will look even smaller next to PW and be at a severe disadvantage IMO.
Though Cotto is very adaptable, he can't sit there and box PW, as for one the reach will be too much and 2, PW won't stand there in front stationary like Mosley did. Cotto has to break that body, but will have to get inside 1st and not let PW tie him up. I see PW winning a pretty convincing points decision. I like both, but will be pulling for Cotto all the way, and I don't see him ducking anyone. That honor in that division is left to Cintron.
CC, this was the point I was going to make. If Margarito, a BIG welter at 5'11", had trouble getting inside Williams, how the hell is Cotto at 5'7" going to manage it? He won't be able to fight on the outside like he did against Moseley because of the reach disadvantage. His only option is to plow ahead and try to force his way inside. And before anybody tells me about Williams "pitter pat" punches, if that were the case, why didn't Margarito just plow his way threw and take him out? I'm not saying he's Hearns or anything, but it is easy to call punches "pitter pat" when you aren't the one taking a sweeping uppercut to the jaw. It's a hell of a tough test for Cotto. As versatile as Cotto is, with all of Williams' physical advantages (I mean, my god, his reach is only 1" shorter than Wlad's!), I honestly can't think of a strategy that Cotto could employ to beat beat him on points. His best chance would be a knockout, but Williams has proven to have a stout beard, so that would be a mighty tough task. I think Arum ducks this fight for as long as is possible.
I don't think Cotto would have too hard a time with Williams.
http://www.viddler.com/player/bf15bc41/
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http://www.viddler.com/SMFV1/videos/54/
PS. Sorry the fight is in Spanish. It's the only version of this fight I own.
Here is Cotto in his 7th pro fight against a much taller figher named Sparkman.
I know Sparkman is no Williams but I know Cotto can adapt to Williams who is also a very tall fighter.
Williams likes to grab the head and pull his opponent, he also likes to try and spin his opponents to get in those angle shots. Cotto is a lot better and stronger at 147 then he was 6 years ago. Tony did not seem to have a fight plan against Williams. I know Cotto will come in with a great fight plan and neutralize the pitter patter and punches in bunches Williams is known for. Tony stayed inside and right in front of Williams. Cotto will be all over the ring and just picking his shots as he sees fit. I think it would be a pretty easy fight for Cotto.
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I hope you're right and I'm wrong, as I am a bigger fan of Cotto as each fight is made and won by him. I just think Williams will be on the backfoot in his running shoes and will win on points just from his jab.
But yeah, I don't think Margarito came in with any sort of plan other than his usual "wear down through attrition" plan, and wasn't expecting PW to have the kind of conditioning that he showed. Cotto is no dummy, so he will work on closing that ring down real fast and getting that body. I still can't see him outboxing PW, but touch that thin frame and start early, and he could very well ko PW. I was sure Mosley would ko Cotto, so I wouldn't be surprised to be proved wrong again with Cotto/Williams.
CC back Left Hook To The Body
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Cotto Williams is NOT a must for a number of reasons. The main one being they are on different paths at the moment. Cotto wants Mayweather whereas Williams is looking to unify with Cintron.Then after that,it might be a must. At the moment the only must is number 1 v number 2:Mayweather v Cotto.
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Though the tape doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight, look how much difference in size and reach there is. Cotto is what; 5'7 with a 66 or 67 inch reach? PW is 6'1 with 82 inch reach. Margarito had difficulty getting inside PW, and when he did alot of times PW would tie him up until the ref broke it and off PW would go again on the backfoot while throwing a billion jabs. If people thought Hatton looked like a dwarf next to Floyd, Cotto will look even smaller next to PW and be at a severe disadvantage IMO.
Though Cotto is very adaptable, he can't sit there and box PW, as for one the reach will be too much and 2, PW won't stand there in front stationary like Mosley did. Cotto has to break that body, but will have to get inside 1st and not let PW tie him up. I see PW winning a pretty convincing points decision. I like both, but will be pulling for Cotto all the way, and I don't see him ducking anyone. That honor in that division is left to Cintron.
CC, this was the point I was going to make. If Margarito, a BIG welter at 5'11", had trouble getting inside Williams, how the hell is Cotto at 5'7" going to manage it? He won't be able to fight on the outside like he did against Moseley because of the reach disadvantage. His only option is to plow ahead and try to force his way inside. And before anybody tells me about Williams "pitter pat" punches, if that were the case, why didn't Margarito just plow his way threw and take him out? I'm not saying he's Hearns or anything, but it is easy to call punches "pitter pat" when you aren't the one taking a sweeping uppercut to the jaw. It's a hell of a tough test for Cotto. As versatile as Cotto is, with all of Williams' physical advantages (I mean, my god, his reach is only 1" shorter than Wlad's!), I honestly can't think of a strategy that Cotto could employ to beat beat him on points. His best chance would be a knockout, but Williams has proven to have a stout beard, so that would be a mighty tough task. I think Arum ducks this fight for as long as is possible.
I don't think Cotto would have too hard a time with Williams.
http://www.viddler.com/player/bf15bc41/
Direct Link:
http://www.viddler.com/SMFV1/videos/54/
PS. Sorry the fight is in Spanish. It's the only version of this fight I own.
Here is Cotto in his 7th pro fight against a much taller figher named Sparkman.
I know Sparkman is no Williams but I know Cotto can adapt to Williams who is also a very tall fighter.
Williams likes to grab the head and pull his opponent, he also likes to try and spin his opponents to get in those angle shots. Cotto is a lot better and stronger at 147 then he was 6 years ago. Tony did not seem to have a fight plan against Williams. I know Cotto will come in with a great fight plan and neutralize the pitter patter and punches in bunches Williams is known for. Tony stayed inside and right in front of Williams. Cotto will be all over the ring and just picking his shots as he sees fit. I think it would be a pretty easy fight for Cotto.
Well, as you said, that guy ain't no Williams, even from a physical standpoint. Williams throws 100 punches a round, doubles and triples his jab...it will be a tall order (pun intended) for Cotto to bully his way inside, which is his only option. And I am tired about hearing how Margarito didn't have a good plan and would win in a rematch with Williams. What happened in that fight is that Williams neutralized Margarito's offense with his output and didn't give Margarito the opportunity to fight on the inside or get off the number of punches he is used to. When Margarito came on later in the fight, it was only because Williams slowed down a littled bit (when you throw as many punches as he does, it's inevitable that you will get a bit tired) and gave Tony more opportunity to get off. Even with that, Tony had to work his ass off in the 10th and 11th to keep the pace in his favor, and he was gassed in the 12th and Williams won that round easily. The same pattern would happen if they fought again. Stop with the Margarito didn't have the right gameplan nonsense and give Williams credit for being the better man.
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#1 mayweather wont give #2 Cotto a chance in the near future. So why dont #2 Cotto give #3 williams a chance. Cotto aint really #2. Mayweather aint really #1. Both making excuses not to fight #3. If you scared GET A DOG. Floyd and Cotto both lose to TALL PAUL. 2 peas in a pod. They both the same. Proceed with caution. #3= #1. TALL PAUL.
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#1 mayweather wont give #2 Cotto a chance in the near future. So why dont #2 Cotto give #3 williams a chance. Cotto aint really #2. Mayweather aint really #1. Both making excuses not to fight #3. If you scared GET A DOG. Floyd and Cotto both lose to TALL PAUL. 2 peas in a pod. They both the same. Proceed with caution. #3= #1. TALL PAUL.
I amdire your faith in Williams and whilst my personal favourites are Margarito and Cotto,Williams is a tough proposition for ANYONE :-\ . You have to admire Margarito for giving Williams his shot.
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I will love to see that fight but first Let's see Cotto vs Mayweather.
LOL nice try frozen
Or do you want for Floyd to study Cotto more? LOL
I want Cotto to fight high profile fighters. Mosley( 1 down), Oscar, Floyd then after that's done let's see the fights with Margo(he was high profile but he lost to PW), Williams, Cintron etc.
If Cotto-Williams gets out of the way then Floyd must fight the winner or else he will lose some credibility. At the very least Floyd has one fight left. I want to see him make a statement by defeating a top rated, hungry, natural welter and end of story, nobody can take anything away from him.
However, Floyd has earned his to get to the top. Obviously every wants a chance at the top dog, but in this case they will have to really earn it cause Floyd isn't going to bite that easy. Neither guy packs the name power for Floyd at the moment, especially not PW.
At the very least Cotto and Williams need to fight each other first because Floyd isn't going to give out a free pass to either guy. And he's the top man, top name in the sport, so he is in the driver seat. I think people are dreaming when they think Floyd can be Cotto's next fight; not gonna happen!
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Margo is truely the man. I give credit due him. Margo beats Cotto imo. His physical frame can take Cotto's power but I dont believe vice-versa. Margo beats Cotto. I just believe this weight division is to good to let this era go by without the top 5 fighting each other. That would burn me up for the rest of my life. Seems like Tall Paul is the only one left out of the loop begging to fight anyone of them. Begging to fight lessor fighters. Margo vs Cotto would be good. Floyd is on suspend mode. Cant wait for him,he is good though. I dont hate him but he is proceeding with caution like everyone else except Paul.
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Margo is truely the man. I give credit due him. Margo beats Cotto imo. His physical frame can take Cotto's power but I dont believe vice-versa. Margo beats Cotto. I just believe this weight division is to good to let this era go by without the top 5 fighting each other. That would burn me up for the rest of my life. Seems like Tall Paul is the only one left out of the loop begging to fight anyone of them. Begging to fight lessor fighters. Margo vs Cotto would be good. Floyd is on suspend mode. Cant wait for him,he is good though. I dont hate him but he is proceeding with caution like everyone else except Paul.
Tony is certainly a matchup nightmare for Cotto. His best punch is Cotto's biggest weakness. I rate Cotto's chances to be a little better against Floyd than Tony has, but Margarito is dangerous man, especially to Cotto. I think he gives PW a serioius beating if they ever rematch. He just gave those early rounds away, and he could never make it up.
I would take Cotto to beat Williams. Williams might have the reach, but Cotto has better timing. Williams will find his jab getting countered often and he'll eat a surprising amount of jabs from Cotto as Cotto jabs his way in to get to Paul's ribs. Small fighters can outjab, or jab enough, guys with reach advantage and IMHO, Cotto can hit Williams with jabs more than Williams will ever expect. Cotto is a more complete fighter than Williams and I betting that he could turn physical disadvantages in to advantages.
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Re: Cotto vs. Williams is a must.
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
These two need to fight so that the #1 contender spot is cemented. Everybody is yelling about how Mayweather needs to fight one of these two to prve that he's the best. But let's be serious, Cotto beat Mosley (who was the same age as Oscar when Floyd fought him, but the Cotto fans always seem to forget that when they're talking about "old Oscar Delahoya," nevermind the fact that Floyd jumped up in weight AGAIN for Oscar) and a Zab Judah that was dominated by Floyd Mayweather. Paul Williams gave an extremely over-rated Margarito (who has yet to beat a top fighter) a boxing lesson, and beat up on Matheysse.
What needs to happen is this, while Mayweather is taking his much deserved vacation, let Williams and Cotto have another fight with some "C level," competition (Margarito, Cintron, etc.) in order to build up their names some more. Then towards the end of the year, they fight each other in what would probably be the biggest fight possible without having Floyd Mayweather Jr. in it. This of course would set the stage for a for a Mayweather vs. Cotto/Williams mega fight in late 2008 or early 2009.
Of course, this probably won't happen because Bob Arum might not be so inclined to let another one of his cash cows in the ring with Paul Williams again. Remember when Arum first found out about Margarito fighting Williams instead of Cotto? Remember when he threatened to sue Margarito for that? Ahhh.... good times.
I would love Cotto to fight Williams. But right now, Cotto has accomplished more than Williams and is deserving of a money fight with Mayweather or de la Hoya. Williams should just be patient, defeat Cintron, maybe give Margarito a rematch, and then fight the results of Cotto-Mayweather-de la Hoya.
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Re: Cotto vs. Williams is a must.
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
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Originally Posted by LeftHookToTheBody
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Though the tape doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight, look how much difference in size and reach there is. Cotto is what; 5'7 with a 66 or 67 inch reach? PW is 6'1 with 82 inch reach. Margarito had difficulty getting inside PW, and when he did alot of times PW would tie him up until the ref broke it and off PW would go again on the backfoot while throwing a billion jabs. If people thought Hatton looked like a dwarf next to Floyd, Cotto will look even smaller next to PW and be at a severe disadvantage IMO.
Though Cotto is very adaptable, he can't sit there and box PW, as for one the reach will be too much and 2, PW won't stand there in front stationary like Mosley did. Cotto has to break that body, but will have to get inside 1st and not let PW tie him up. I see PW winning a pretty convincing points decision. I like both, but will be pulling for Cotto all the way, and I don't see him ducking anyone. That honor in that division is left to Cintron.
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CC, this was the point I was going to make. If Margarito, a BIG welter at 5'11", had trouble getting inside Williams, how the hell is Cotto at 5'7" going to manage it? He won't be able to fight on the outside like he did against Moseley because of the reach disadvantage. His only option is to plow ahead and try to force his way inside. And before anybody tells me about Williams "pitter pat" punches, if that were the case, why didn't Margarito just plow his way threw and take him out? I'm not saying he's Hearns or anything, but it is easy to call punches "pitter pat" when you aren't the one taking a sweeping uppercut to the jaw. It's a hell of a tough test for Cotto. As versatile as Cotto is, with all of Williams' physical advantages (I mean, my god, his reach is only 1" shorter than Wlad's!), I honestly can't think of a strategy that Cotto could employ to beat beat him on points. His best chance would be a knockout, but Williams has proven to have a stout beard, so that would be a mighty tough task. I think Arum ducks this fight for as long as is possible.
I don't think Cotto would have too hard a time with Williams.
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PS. Sorry the fight is in Spanish. It's the only version of this fight I own.
Here is Cotto in his 7th pro fight against a much taller figher named Sparkman.
I know Sparkman is no Williams but I know Cotto can adapt to Williams who is also a very tall fighter.
Williams likes to grab the head and pull his opponent, he also likes to try and spin his opponents to get in those angle shots. Cotto is a lot better and stronger at 147 then he was 6 years ago. Tony did not seem to have a fight plan against Williams. I know Cotto will come in with a great fight plan and neutralize the pitter patter and punches in bunches Williams is known for. Tony stayed inside and right in front of Williams. Cotto will be all over the ring and just picking his shots as he sees fit. I think it would be a pretty easy fight for Cotto.
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Re: Cotto vs. Williams is a must.
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Originally Posted by RozzySean
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Originally Posted by uwey
Margo is truely the man. I give credit due him. Margo beats Cotto imo. His physical frame can take Cotto's power but I dont believe vice-versa. Margo beats Cotto. I just believe this weight division is to good to let this era go by without the top 5 fighting each other. That would burn me up for the rest of my life. Seems like Tall Paul is the only one left out of the loop begging to fight anyone of them. Begging to fight lessor fighters. Margo vs Cotto would be good. Floyd is on suspend mode. Cant wait for him,he is good though. I dont hate him but he is proceeding with caution like everyone else except Paul.
Tony is certainly a matchup nightmare for Cotto. His best punch is Cotto's biggest weakness. I rate Cotto's chances to be a little better against Floyd than Tony has, but Margarito is dangerous man, especially to Cotto. I think he gives PW a serioius beating if they ever rematch. He just gave those early rounds away, and he could never make it up.
I would take Cotto to beat Williams. Williams might have the reach, but Cotto has better timing. Williams will find his jab getting countered often and he'll eat a surprising amount of jabs from Cotto as Cotto jabs his way in to get to Paul's ribs. Small fighters can outjab, or jab enough, guys with reach advantage and IMHO, Cotto can hit Williams with jabs more than Williams will ever expect. Cotto is a more complete fighter than Williams and I betting that he could turn physical disadvantages in to advantages.
Excellent Post!!! I too think Margarito presents major problems to Cotto. I also agree that Cotto should beat Williams. People are getting all in awe of Williams size and reach, but although he is an interesting fighter, Cotto has proven much more at this stage. I'd love to see a Margo-Williiams rematch, so we can put all this Williams will dominate every welter talk to bed.
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Re: Cotto vs. Williams is a must.
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Originally Posted by uwey
Margarito is dangerous man, especially to Cotto. I think he gives PW a serioius beating if they ever rematch. He just gave those early rounds away, and he could never make it up.
Abosolute nonsense. Margarito did not give anything away...Williams neutralized Tony's offense with his activity and physical advantages and simply did not give Tony a chance to do anything early on. The ONLY reason Margarito did better later in the fight is because Williams high activity style makes a certain level of fatigue a given later on. That gave Tony more opportunities to get punches off, but even then the only rounds he really won CLEARLY were the 10th and 11th when Tony threw everything but the kitchen sink at Williams. The problem is that that constant activity gassed him and Williams took the 12th easily. Same thing would happen in the rematch. Williams would dominate the first half, Margarito would make a late push but Paul would close out stronger and take a clear decision. This nonsense that Margarito "gave away" the early rounds is just that...nonsense. He lost those rounds because of Williams physical advantages, superior speed and activity. Nothing would change in a rematch. As far as Cotto goes, someone who favors him over Williams give me the strategy. He gives up about half a foot, how is he possibly going to get inside at 5'7" when Margarito had a hell of a time doing it at 5'11"? Williams jab rules the day and takes a UD.
