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HBO wake the hell up.
The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buy's alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
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Also, what are they doing limiting the amount of views 24/7 gets? They took it off google vids and youtube?!!!
Isn't the purpose of the programme topublicise the fight. With such a great series if they allowed more people to se it free they would no doubt increase ppv sales.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buy's alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
Well they do give most all of their fights at least one episode. It's called "Countdown to ..."
I think 24/7 is still in pilot mode. Not sure they are sold on it's success just yet.
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I hope to God they don't pruduce more than one or two shows a year. The whole reason these shows are special is that they mark a unique superfight. If every remotely big fight gets a show then it will just become meaningless.
they will and should reserve it for the truly prestigious events in the sport.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buy's alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
You also need the right personality. Floyd is colorful enough to make any 24/7 work but if you had two fighters like ODL fighting eachother, there would not be much of a show.
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Thing is the show cost a lot of money to make...even 100,000 extra buys won't really cover it...
Between insurance, casting, camera men, travel, (and yes they do have to pay some guys ion the show a fee) and about 100 other things I can't name off the top of my head...
Not too mention some camps are Ass holes about it and think they need be compensated for the privledge of the public viewing their fighter...
Too many aspects go into making the show...Countdown is much easier...most of it is just editing and some interviews..
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As people have already mentioned, the 2 big reasons that 24/7 will only be done for certain fights are:
1. Cost
2. Personalities of the fighters (including whether or not they speak fluent English)
4 episodes is a lot of time, and therefore you need guys who will provide entertainment and quotes. For example, there was no way a fight like Cotto-Mosley would ever get a 24/7, because neither of those ever says anything controversial. And while Cotto has done a great job at learning English, he's still not overly fluent in it.
Hopkins-Calzaghe is a natural for it, just like Floyd-Hatton was. Both guys speak English, and both have a way with words and enjoy trash-talking.
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As people have already mentioned, the 2 big reasons that 24/7 will only be done for certain fights are:
1. Cost
2. Personalities of the fighters (including whether or not they speak fluent English)
4 episodes is a lot of time, and therefore you need guys who will provide entertainment and quotes. For example, there was no way a fight like Cotto-Mosley would ever get a 24/7, because neither of those ever says anything controversial. And while Cotto has done a great job at learning English, he's still not overly fluent in it.
Hopkins-Calzaghe is a natural for it, just like Floyd-Hatton was. Both guys speak English, and both have a way with words and enjoy trash-talking.
Trust me there is no way in hell Calzaghe Hopkins will get a 24/7 show. You've got a man in his mid 40's who the HBO commentators have urged to retire following his absolute stinker of a fight with Winky Wright versus the man responsible for the lowest viewing figures for a championship fight in HBO history.
This fight will be lucky to even make it to PPV. I'm not even sure it will merit a Countdown To show to be honest.
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This fight will be lucky to even make it to PPV. I'm not even sure it will merit a Countdown To show to be honest.
This fight will absolutely be a PPV. You're selling it short.
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It completely MERITS a countdown show, you have 2 greats of our time facing off, whether they will get one due to fuckin business matters is another question and they probably won't. All I know is I am going to be watching that fuckin fight
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As people have already mentioned, the 2 big reasons that 24/7 will only be done for certain fights are:
1. Cost
2. Personalities of the fighters (including whether or not they speak fluent English)
4 episodes is a lot of time, and therefore you need guys who will provide entertainment and quotes. For example, there was no way a fight like Cotto-Mosley would ever get a 24/7, because neither of those ever says anything controversial. And while Cotto has done a great job at learning English, he's still not overly fluent in it.
Hopkins-Calzaghe is a natural for it, just like Floyd-Hatton was. Both guys speak English, and both have a way with words and enjoy trash-talking.
Trust me there is no way in hell Calzaghe Hopkins will get a 24/7 show. You've got a man in his mid 40's who the HBO commentators have urged to retire following his absolute stinker of a fight with Winky Wright versus the man responsible for the lowest viewing figures for a championship fight in HBO history.
This fight will be lucky to even make it to PPV. I'm not even sure it will merit a Countdown To show to be honest.
If tarver-hopkins was a ppv then this is a sureshot PPV. I am sure Hopkins will try to reignite the British-American rivalry.
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As people have already mentioned, the 2 big reasons that 24/7 will only be done for certain fights are:
1. Cost
2. Personalities of the fighters (including whether or not they speak fluent English)
4 episodes is a lot of time, and therefore you need guys who will provide entertainment and quotes. For example, there was no way a fight like Cotto-Mosley would ever get a 24/7, because neither of those ever says anything controversial. And while Cotto has done a great job at learning English, he's still not overly fluent in it.
Hopkins-Calzaghe is a natural for it, just like Floyd-Hatton was. Both guys speak English, and both have a way with words and enjoy trash-talking.
Trust me there is no way in hell Calzaghe Hopkins will get a 24/7 show. You've got a man in his mid 40's who the HBO commentators have urged to retire following his absolute stinker of a fight with Winky Wright versus the man responsible for the lowest viewing figures for a championship fight in HBO history.
This fight will be lucky to even make it to PPV. I'm not even sure it will merit a Countdown To show to be honest.
If tarver-hopkins was a ppv then this is a sureshot PPV. I am sure Hopkins will try to reignite the British-American rivalry.
The Tarver fight was a much bigger fight though as far as mainstream America goes. You had Bernard Hopkins stepping up two weight classes to fight the man who knocked out Roy Jones and was the universallyrecognised light heavyweight champ.
I agree Calzaghe is a bigger challenge and a much more entertaining fighter but stateside he has zero marketability. When he fought Kessler the fight was on for FREE and it scored the lowest television figures for a HBO Championship fight ever!
Considering that level of mainstream disinterest how could HBO possibly justify the cost and expense of a 4 part 24/7 show?
I'm not talking about the talent of the fighters or how much we want to see it, I'm talking merely about mainstream American.
For mainstream America it's probably not that big a deal. Hopkins isn't a big PPV star and Calzaghe clearly has zero pulling power in the states.
It's not even a dead cert for PPV. It probably will be but Margarito Williams wasn't, I don't think the upcoming Klitschko Ibragimov fight is so there is a chance that this fight won't be either.
Realistically it most likely be a PPV and get a Countdown To episode. That would be a fair amount of coverage for the fight, there just isn't enough stateside interest for it to merit much more.
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I hope to God they don't pruduce more than one or two shows a year. The whole reason these shows are special is that they mark a unique superfight. If every remotely big fight gets a show then it will just become meaningless.
they will and should reserve it for the truly prestigious events in the sport.
This is a great point and I agree with you, but the problem is that what determines a "unique superfight" is subject to debate and perspective. For example, a Mayorga-Vargas fight might not be considered a "unique superfight" because they may be perceived as two washed up guys going at it, but maybe not in the eyes of Latin American boxing fans. Also, the personalities and personal stories of both would call for a 24/7 focus on both. Tito has a large fan base and always had huge pay per view numbers and Jones is an all time great. Though these two can be considered past their primes, their legacies may warrant a 24/7 focus. To reiterate my main point, it is tough to decide what is a true "unique superfight," but the show does promote boxing and fan interest. HBO should really develop an organized plan for this show for the benefit of boxing and its fans.
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I hope to God they don't pruduce more than one or two shows a year. The whole reason these shows are special is that they mark a unique superfight. If every remotely big fight gets a show then it will just become meaningless.
they will and should reserve it for the truly prestigious events in the sport.
This is a great point and I agree with you, but the problem is that what determines a "unique superfight" is subject to debate and perspective. For example, a Mayorga-Vargas fight might not be considered a "unique superfight" because they may be perceived as two washed up guys going at it, but maybe not in the eyes of Latin American boxing fans. Also, the personalities and personal stories of both would call for a 24/7 focus on both. Tito has a large fan base and always had huge pay per view numbers and Jones is an all time great. Though these two can be considered past their primes, their legacies may warrant a 24/7 focus. To reiterate my main point, it is tough to decide what is a true "unique superfight," but the show does promote boxing and fan interest. HBO should really develop an organized plan for this show for the benefit of boxing and its fans.
You have to remember that HBO is a broadcast network and ultimately what constitutes a 'superfight' for them will be the fights that will generate them the most PPV buys.
I can't remember for certain but I'm sure Vargas Mayorga was a Top Rank production and not even on HBO so obviously that wouldn't qualify.
I think the limit of the superfights will be very tight. HBO know all too well that they don't want to spoil it by making it a common occurance. My guess is that the only fight that could conceivably be made right now that would get the full 24/7 treatment would be Mayweather Cotto.
You have to remember that the De La Hoya Mayweather was the biggest PPV event of all time and so certainly qualifed as a superfight. Mayweather Hatton I believe was the biggest PPV event ever that didn't involve Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis or Oscar De La Hoya so again another true superfight.
There are no other events Cotto Mayweather aside that could conceivably come close to matching those numbers so I'd say right there that that's your 'superfight' definition.
The only possible fight I can think of this coming year that could merit such a show is the Pavlik Taylor rematch. It's for boxing's second most prestigious title historically, i.e to be the universally recognised middleweight champ. The first fight was voted Fight of the Year, and it features not only two Americans but also a white American. Not that this should have anything to do with race but when was the last time America had a white pure American superstar? Oscar is part Mexican and count's South America as much as North America as his home and fanbase but Pavlik is a pure American star, and he's white and happens to be a huge puncher as well.
His marketability could be phenomenal and a 24/7 show based on this fight would be a good choice.
But I have no idea what kind of numbers this fight will do and I'm sure HBO decision will be based on estimated PPV buys. I doubt the rematch will top 600,000 buys and that may not be a 'superfight' by HBO's definition.
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The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buy's alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
??? ??? Sorry dude,I have to totally disagree. 24/7 should be saved for the mega fights otherwise it'll lose it's novelty. Heck,it's not even as if this fight is of any great significance in the grand scheme of things other than to us hardcore fans.
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Anyone know if they are planning a 24/7 for Pavlik/Taylor II? I know it's not for a belt, but does it rate high enough for a 24/7? Personally I would love them to have 24/7 for that fight, bt don't necessarily think it is deserving enough. Maybe if JT wins and they fight a rubber match down the line ???
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Anyone know if they are planning a 24/7 for Pavlik/Taylor II? I know it's not for a belt, but does it rate high enough for a 24/7? Personally I would love them to have 24/7 for that fight, bt don't necessarily think it is deserving enough. Maybe if JT wins and they fight a rubber match down the line ???
I don't think they are planning one for this fight.I can see both sides of the argument for this one. It COULD be an amazing fight BUT on the other handit has no relevance. Kelly loses,he's still champ.JT loses,he goes to 168 and starts afresh.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buy's alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
??? ??? Sorry dude,I have to totally disagree. 24/7 should be saved for the mega fights otherwise it'll lose it's novelty. Heck,it's not even as if this fight is of any great significance in the grand scheme of things other than to us hardcore fans.
Wow the little wayward El Gamo actually agrees with the wise old hobbit on this one. :o 8)
Come on now Gamo, where's my coolclick, gimme gimme gimme :lickish:
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By the way, if you want to criticize HBO right now, criticize them for this:
Over the past couple weeks, they've made copyright claims on almost all of their fights that are on youtube, and as a result they've been pulled. I can understand HBO complaining about a recent fight like Floyd-Hatton, but why bother pulling fights that are 10-15 years old?
In a related story, I'm now going on a downloading/burning binge of all the great fights that got pulled.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
I hope to God they don't pruduce more than one or two shows a year. The whole reason these shows are special is that they mark a unique superfight. If every remotely big fight gets a show then it will just become meaningless.
they will and should reserve it for the truly prestigious events in the sport.
My sentiments exactly Bilbs...
I think 'Countdowns' are good and should be made for World Class fights. But 24/7's should be reserved for the elite/meaningful bouts.
For the Cottos, PBFs, Wladdys, JMMs etc. etc. etc.
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I think once in a while HBO should do a "The Best Of" for their fighters, show complete fights, do background information, and do it for everyone that has an HBO contract.
Can you imagine the benefits of something like this? When there is a large gap between fights you can do that and it costs NOTHING, you just show fight after fight after fight.
I have noticed they do this SOMETIMES but they never show ALL the fights or even the best ones, usually just the most recent ones and only one or two.....show them all or at least make them all available On Demand
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HBO owns the rights to many of boxing's greatest fighters and also many of our sports great fights. Yet to the hardcore boxing fan, old fights are hard come by and many fighters are so unpromoted they can come onto the world stage unknown.
HBO ties itself to boxing to make money. HBO has no interest in the health of boxing and should it become unprofitable in the morning it would be dropped.
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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buys alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
??? ??? Sorry dude,I have to totally disagree. 24/7 should be saved for the mega fights otherwise it'll lose it's novelty. Heck,it's not even as if this fight is of any great significance in the grand scheme of things other than to us hardcore fans.
This is a funny post ::**. HBO's responsibility is too sale the fight and there is no better way to sale the fight then giving it an episode (at least one) of 24/7. It has proven to be a great success and I guarantee that it produced an extra 100,000 + PPV sales for Hatton Vs Mayweather. The show is not designed too hook the hardcore fans in it is designed to market to the casual fan who may not know the history of either fighter or the significance of the fight itself, hardcore fans know this stuff already ::**. If you want " Novelty" get a fighters career collection on DVD, if you want "Novelty" get a subscription to a boxing magazine, if you want " Novelty" buy tickets too a fight, I dont care what you do. But just like any free enterprise business that trying to sale a product you must market your merchandise, nobody watches countdown to ?????? That program is for hardcore fans and even they don't mind if they miss it, the show get's poor ratings and is circumstantial. Saying that 24/7 will ruin it's novelty is a dumb statement, that's like saying if we show previews to movies that are low budget going into the movie theaters it will ruin the NOVELTY of blockbuster hits going into the movie theaters ??? I read one post in which one guy say's the reason they should not do it is because it cost too much money ??? All marketing cost money, what planet are you living on ???. I am not saying that we should do a 24/7 for fights like Malignaggi Vs Ngoudo but this fight warrents one, so how can you say that this only means something to the hardcore fans, you are a complete dumbass. There will be Latin fans that watch this fight (not just Puerto Ricans) that very rarely watch fights, but just off of the history and loyalty of Trinidad they will order this fight, Jones also brings in a certain fanbase even though it has declined in recent years. These are two first ballot HOF in the twilight of their careers going out on their shield too put on one last (Maybe) great show. With Mayorga Vs Vargas (fighters that are shot and not HOF) putting up 300,000 PPV buy's it is a chance that this fight can bring in great money, and the bottom line is that they should market it
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The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buys alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
??? ??? Sorry dude,I have to totally disagree. 24/7 should be saved for the mega fights otherwise it'll lose it's novelty. Heck,it's not even as if this fight is of any great significance in the grand scheme of things other than to us hardcore fans.
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his is a funny post ::**. HBO's responsibility is too sale the fight and there is no better way to sale the fight then giving it an episode (at least one) of 24/7. It has proven to be a great success and I guarantee that it produced an extra 100,000 + PPV sales for Hatton Vs Mayweather. The show is not designed too hook the hardcore fans in it is designed to market to the casual fan who may not know the history of either fighter or the significance of the fight itself, hardcore fans know this stuff already ::**.
If you want " Novelty" get a fighters career collection on DVD, if you want "Novelty" get a subscription to a boxing magazine, if you want " Novelty" buy tickets too a fight, I dont care what you do. But just like any free enterprise business that trying to sale a product you must market your merchandise, nobody watches countdown to ?????? That program is for hardcore fans and even they don't mind if they miss it, the show get's poor ratings and is circumstantial. Saying that 24/7 will ruin it's novelty is a dumb statement, that's like saying if we show previews to movies that are low budget going into the movie theaters it will ruin the NOVELTY of blockbuster hits going into the movie theaters ??? I read one post in which one guy say's the reason they should not do it is because it cost too much money ??? All marketing cost money, what planet are you living on ???. I am not saying that we should do a 24/7 for fights like Malignaggi Vs Ngoudo b
ut this fight warrents one, so how can you say that this only means something to the hardcore fans, you are a complete dumbass. There will be Latin fans that watch this fight (not just Puerto Ricans) that very rarely watch fights, but just off of the history and loyalty of Trinidad they will order this fight, Jones also brings in a certain fanbase even though it has declined in recent years. These are two first ballot HOF in the twilight of their careers going out on their shield too put on one last (Maybe) great show. With Mayorga Vs Vargas (fighters that are shot and not HOF) putting up 300,000 PPV buy's it is a chance that this fight can bring in great money, and the bottom line is that they should market it
Thanks for the response bro but it's just nonsense imo. Bilbo,Mick,and I basically worte the same thing and my post is funny?I'm a dumbass? I think you'll find the complete opposite. Have a sad click for that post.Awful,just like alot of the stuff you have been posting recently I'm afraid. :)
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The show 24/7 is a smashing success, everybody loves it. Why would you only want to televise the program a couple of times a year, you should do it a couple of times a month. I am not saying Tito Vs Jones needs 4 shows or 3,2, all I am saying is give the fight at least one episode and let everybody get into the fight, I guarantee that it would generate at least an extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buy's alone so it's worth the investment, I cant believe they are dropping the ball on this.
??? ??? Sorry dude,I have to totally disagree. 24/7 should be saved for the mega fights otherwise it'll lose it's novelty. Heck,it's not even as if this fight is of any great significance in the grand scheme of things other than to us hardcore fans.
Wow the little wayward El Gamo actually agrees with the wise old hobbit on this one. :o 8)
Come on now Gamo, where's my coolclick, gimme gimme gimme :lickish:
Here's your CC.
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By the way, if you want to criticize HBO right now, criticize them for this:
Over the past couple weeks, they've made copyright claims on almost all of their fights that are on youtube, and as a result they've been pulled. I can understand HBO complaining about a recent fight like Floyd-Hatton, but why bother pulling fights that are 10-15 years old?
In a related story, I'm now going on a downloading/burning binge of all the great fights that got pulled.
Did they really do that?! What idiots.
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FYI,HBO did like a 30 minute programme for this fight,hyping it.That was more than enough imo.
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I hope to God they don't pruduce more than one or two shows a year. The whole reason these shows are special is that they mark a unique superfight. If every remotely big fight gets a show then it will just become meaningless.
they will and should reserve it for the truly prestigious events in the sport.
I'm with you on this one, Bilbo. Cool Click.
and Cool Click to the fella who said that thing about "Countown till..."
