http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7172156.stm
Looks and sounds like a done deal to me, not sure even Warren could back out of this one ;D
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7172156.stm
Looks and sounds like a done deal to me, not sure even Warren could back out of this one ;D
I've heard that one of the big betting sites, think its called 5dimes.com, already has it listed for Yankee Stadium. No idea if that's right since you're article lists Las Vegas, how in hell they think they'd sell out Yankee Stadium for Hopkins-Calzaghe is beyond me. Would need a whole lot of British fans.
nice one looks like its prity much a done deal...
i just hope after Joe hands out a beating we get none of this shit about him being over the hill and his age.. The guy is top 5 P4P in anyones book so lets not have any bullshit..
Hope this isnt Calzaghe's last fight though because he still has to beat anoth two big names after Hokins in my book and there's no reason why he cant.. Why not fight the winner of Taylor/pavlik and then finish off with either RJJ if he looks good against tito or Dawson if he beats Johnson..
Yup, problem is its scheduled for April in Vegas?!?!!?
Bloody April....I need time to sell my flat to afford tickets flight beer money and gambling money to go and see this thing, and they give me three months.....
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This should be a great fight for Joe, (still) the most under rated boxer out there, for some reason. Maybe after this he'll get the credit he deserves and retire Hopkins for good.
I hope this fight gets made. That way Calzaghe can replace the 0 in his record with a 1 just like his buddy Hatton did.
Well,it looks like they both arent just talking this time,they actually are walking
Shame about Yankee Stadium falling through,it would have been a nice way for both of them to go out,and a nice final hurrah for the stadium itself,the site of so many great bouts
Nah VD, you know Hopkins is going to add another to his impressive tally in the 'L' column. Sig bet again bro? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Fuck yeah boys this is gonna be awesome! I'm drunk so jeah fuck yeah!
Alright. Your on. Let's see how Calzaghe does outside his comfort zoneQuote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Calzaghe will have thousands of fans at the weigh in and Hopkins will have three fans at the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
But even if there was an alternate universe where Hopkins had 12000 rabid fans who would buy tickets, Joe would still beat him like a gong. Just how much do you think Hopkins has? Do you think he'll be competitive with Joe in the fight? Honestly?
I cant wait for this!
to be honest im amazed ANYONE is picking BHOP in this fight..it just aint rational...Im having £500 on a calzaghe win and will look forward to collecting my winnings! Joe = too fast = too much heart = better foot work = way way better work rate = awesome chin. BHOP will try to spoil and thats his only hope...people talk abouts BHOPS defence..which is sort of a valid point..he's cagey no doubt..fact is joe will not stop punching..when they aint in the clinch BHOP will be getting hit...
Put me down for a Hopkins victory!!! Joe is a great fighter no doubt but I see Hopkins winning!
I'll give you 2/1 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy.
Should be good if this one comes off.I would kill to go and watch it but never gonna be able to find the cash. Should be a UD for Joe, Unless B-HOP can find the fountain of youth.
This fight was obviously on when they had that little promo stunt at the Hatton Maywether fight and the "no white guy can beat me" comment. Nice way to get some talk started. And it didn't help Hatton having a plane load of fans at the venue and maywether having only a few fans as some people suggested. So i dont think it will matter for Joe either.
My missus has been looking forward to booking a nice week away in the Canary Islands for the end of Feb - I've just rang and told her we aint going and to start saving for Vegas. ;D
What's people thoughts on getting tickets for the fight? I wouldn't have thought it will be like Hatton Vs PBF, but then again Calzaghe and his Welsh fans haven't been to Vegas before. ;)
Will the MGM (or Mandalay Bay) hold back half the tickets for the high rollers again?
I don't think as many people will follow Calzaghe out there to be honest...Because the opponent isn't
"the best p4p fighter on the planet" Hatton's fight was soooooooooooooo easy to promote in the UK
with Floyd's title.Not as many people are going to be interested in paying thousands of pounds to watch Joe fight B-HOP...now if he was fighting someone like JT or Pavlik i woulda gone,
But unluckily the Massive massive names just ain't there for Joe.
joe wouldn't want to fight thoses massive massive names anyway, he'd come out with a statement that there running from him, want to much money etc etc........ if b-hop was in his prime then this fight would generate huge interest like the hatton fight, but when you break it down......... its a 43 year old semi retired great who never had a style many neutrals liked, against a guy who's never been prepaird to leave his comfort zone in europe and turned down fighting roy jones and glen johnson to fight bika and manfredo instead........... i can see them selling out the venue but it wont be anywhere near as big as hatton mayweather
I will not be picking Hopkins to win this fight, I think Joe takes it but Hopkins WILL make it an extremely difficult fight one way or another. What I bolded in your post is what many people seem to think, that Joe just throws so many punches compared to Hopkins, that he can't lose... The fact is that if Calzaghe plans to go in there and throw 1000 punches, he'll probably land about 50 of them. Hopkins is a defensive master, has superb ring generalship, movement and footwork. He will not allow Calzaghe to fight at the pace he has done against other fighters. I think even the biggest Calzaghe fan(with a functional brain) should expect Joe's output to drop considerably since Hopkins will need to fight at a slower pace in order to be at all effective. No doubt Joe will be busier than Hopkins, but I still think Hopkins will dictate the pace not vice versa. He has to. Also, as old as Hop is, if Calzaghe comes forward flurrying without measuring Hopkins and jabbing his way in, Hopkins could still KO him with a good right hand down the middle. I believe Hopkins may hit Calzaghe as hard as he's ever been. I dunno, maybe I'm giving Hopkins too much respect for his skills and not enough flack for his output.. What I dislike about this fight is that although I'm a big fan of Hopkins, in order for him to beat top fighters these days, he pretty much needs to turn fights into a snoozefest. I'd love to see Calzaghe turn the tables and make him fight at a higher pace than he'd like, I just think it's more likely to happen the other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCruelBallet
I would not rule Bernard out of this fight either P4P.He is still a defensive genius.He gets alot of hate and rightly so,for his style as of late,and as the 2 JT fights have shown,if you can pick your spots,and throw more than him,you have a BIG chance of winning. NO WAY Joe' throws nearly as many punches as he usually does though. I still see him winning based on his handspeed,picking his spots like he did v Kess and throwing those straight shots but 2 things:
Bernard executes southpaws,like 7-0 against them right? and Joe has shown a tendency to get rattled by rough fighters and not look as good against them(Bika being the prime example). None are dirtier than Bernard.However,the counter argument to that is Joe fights to the level of his opposition,as seen from the Kess and Lacy fights.
I don't know,I think it'll be close but I WILL DEFINITELY be rooting for Joe. I respect Hop but CANNOT STAND his fighting style and his big mouth.It dioesn't suit him.He's an old guy,why not act with some respect and class rather than the whiteboy comment and the staged thing with Winky.It's embaressing!
I'm hoping Joe wins and cements his legacy forever.He deserves it after all the flak he has taken.
Good analysis man I enjoyed reading that!Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
you are right...to an extent yeah... I think BHOP CAN / COULD slow him down.... im just not sure he will though. Even if he does slow him down and cut his work rate up it still wont be enough. Dont get me wrong here, I respect Hopkins, a great fighter no doubt about it.
The only issue I have with your post... you said that Hop will hit Joe harder than he's been hit before..in my opinion if Kessler couldnt drop him with that uppercut then he aint getting dropped at all..the guy has a very very good chin. Ive watched Joe for years, Im not saying im some kind of boxing genius but J
oe really is one of the best Ive seen. "p4p" number 2 in my opinion mate. Ive said this for the last 5 years man so I aint on the bandwagon! :)
I said it in another thread I believe, that if Calzaghe's last fight was against Bika instead of Kessler, people would assess this match with Hopkins MUCH differently, with Calzaghe supporters giving Hop a much better shot imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I agree that Joe will have loads of fans at the weigh-in, but my worry is that we end up with a similar situation to the Hatton fight where there are nowhere near enough tickets to go around the fans, with the casino taking a big wedge of those tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hopkins will bring his 3 or 4 hundred fans to the show like normal and Calzaghe will bring at least 10000 from a country that is over 5 thousand miles away.
But it will still be like fight at home for Super Joe. ;D
yep I agree. joe will be too busyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
I really can't believe that most people here think Calzaghe is going to win this. Hopkins is going to hurt this guy. Didn't you see how open Calzaghe was leaving himself when he was trying to shut out worn out Lacy! Man if he does that with Hopkins he is going to get laid out flat. Hopkins will grind Calzaghe's punch out put down. I believe Calzahge's style is too flail like to beat Hopkins.
Dude....it's a totally different thing leaving yourself open against a guy who's been beat down for 10 rounds and you can see the punches coming seconds before they get anywhere near him.Quote:
Originally Posted by helminth
As for Hopkins KOing Calzaghe...he has two KOs in the past five years, and against the naturally bigger man with a good chin, there's no way in my mind Hopkins even gets Calzaghe in trouble, maybe a flash knockdown as a worst-case scenario, but no way a KO.
As for which style wins...the boxer or the gutter-spoiler, I think that Calzaghe won't let himself get dragged into a roughhouse war like he did with Bika, and will pop Ol' Popkins from the outside.
Then again, I'm an unabashed Calzaghe fan, so maybe my view isn't 100% balanced.
I hope Calzaghe beats the daylight shit out of Ol'Popkins, I can't stand him especially with that racist remark it made me loose a lot of respect for him.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Calzaghe has dragged himself into a roughhouse war already by agreeing to fight Hopkins. :-*
Hopkins plan will be to throw 10-15 punches max per round for the first half of the fight.
Then once Calzaghe becomes bored and tired of chasing him Bhop will land a head butt off the ropes and cause a cut over Calzaghe's eye in the 5th-7th round.
At this point Hopkins will then pick up his pace to 20-30 punches thrown a round and even make Calzaghe look bad a few times.
But none of this will matter because Calzaghe will be throwing 2-3 times as many punches as Hopkins does a round with a similar connect ratio.
Calzaghe will win a frustrating UD. He will probably win by at least 3 rounds on every card.
And Hopkins will say he was robbed and laugh all the way to the bank.
This is why I am thankful for sopcast. Paying to watch Hopkins is a waste of money!
i cant wait for this, i hope it can happen and JC can retire him. I think the name factor is huge, but Hopkins always can raise his game like the winky fight and make it better than we thought, lets hope so here too.
i hope this fight suprises everyone and turns out to be much better then expected, the b-hop v winky fight was thought to be a borring one but they put on a really good show considering there styles, its possible this could be the same
1) they been talking about this one for years but for one reason or another its failed to happen
2) one guy likes to throw a zillion punch's and the others a counter puncher who roughs it up
3) its an important fight for both, lossing can effect b-hops legacy, a loss can ruin any chance of calzaghe even having a legacy
in the norm such things can work against a fight, it gets build up only to disapoint on the night, we think this could be borring, but they just might suporise us all
Agreed im one of the people that thinks Calzaghe wins but it will be a very tough fight. Hopkins knows all the tricks in the book, and he can offset Calzaghes rhythm by clinching and using rough house tactics. Plus he can slow Calzaghe down by using the tactics i just mentioned. I have Calzaghe's career set and what i noticed is that in rough tough fights like with Reid, Bika, Salem, he seems to lose concentration and then he starts to play into his opponent's hands by fighting that kind of fight. Now some people may argue that he fought down to the level of his opposition, and Calzaghe has stated that he can't get himself motivated when he fights lesser opponent's. And some of that is true to an extent, but it is also due to Calzaghe losing his concentration. I think one of the keys for Calzaghe will be his jab, Taylor gave Hopkins hell with his jab. And Calzaghe has a pretty good solid/fast jab like you all see in Kessler fight. I actually think Calzaghe should use his jab pick his spots and outwork Hopkins. But not by throwing 100+ punches a round, say round about 50+ punches. Calzaghe can't get lured into a brawl with Hopkins because like i stated earlier, Hopkins is as tough as they come and he knows all the tricks in the books by clinching using rough house tactics to offset a fighters rhythm.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I see Calzaghe winning an ugly fight UD 115-113, 116-113, 115-113, somewhere around there.
[quote=Ice Cold Boxing ]
Yes. Joe can win the fight off his jab easily. This fight is as hard as he wants to make it for himself. Like the Kessler fight, he'll probably make a few attempts to end it early and get involved in the first few rounds. But if he wants to he can box Hopkins's head off all night and not let Bernard near him.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Hell yeah thats what I'm talkin bout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
No way he loses to Hopkins. VD are you always against domestic fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
After Calzaghe wins he'll be telling us that he only won because Hopkins is 43 and that Calzaghe wouldn't have beaten a prime Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Obviously he wouldn't have beaten a prime Hopkins. And he won't beat a 43 year old B-hop either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing