Mark Breland Vs Today's Welterweights
I wonder how he would perform against todays guys. Mark had a good career but as someone in another thread on here mentioned, it fell short of expectations.
I think he would do very well. Could you imagine a fight with Williams? both like 6'2" tall!hehe
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What a talented fighter he was I know people talk about Duran, SRL, Hearns as the Welters but they weren't all natural Welters.
During this era we had Breland, Starling, Curry, Davis, Brown, Honeyghan, McCrory and Blocker all IMO very good fighters and all at that time considered World Class. Boy they had some great fights all together.
I think Brelands abilities were great early in his career I mean like many other Olympians his quality of opposition started off a lot better then most fighters who turn pro. The Davis fight for Breland was what IMO took out a lot from him I think he was wining the fight but the fight itself had been fought at a really fast pace and it was physical more then anything.
Breland against todays Welters:
I think Cottos too physical and would hurt Mark to the body taking away those legs and the ability to move. I'd say Cotto stops him late.
I think Mark vs. SSM would be a very interesting fight both well schooled fighters and IMO at 147 it'd be a coin toss for me. This isn't SSM the Lightweight and although SSM looked good at 147 he's only beaten Collazo there.
I think the Williamds fight would be also interesting the height is def. a plus for both. But I think WIllianms output is what would give him the win I think Williams would win a Decision.
I think Breland outboxes both Kermit & Margarito to a coll UD wins in both fights struggling just a little more with Margarito in the later stages of the fight.
Great topic Deanrw heres CC#79 on me and sorry that you haven't gotten any other responses. Maybe people haven't seen enough of Breland or they just don't care about it.
Also if it makes you feel any better I've done several topics where no ones responded, not 1 single response. ;)
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He would stir things up to say the least....I agree with Mick in a way..on how they always talk about the leonards and Hearns....Breeland is often a forgotten great...some due to his own fault but all in all a great fighter...as for who he fought and how it would turn out I am going to skip all that...Just say Breland would have caused a whole lot of trouble for the guys out there...reguardless of the outcome
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He would stir things up to say the least....I agree with Mick in a way..on how they always talk about the leonards and Hearns....Breeland is often a forgotten great...some due to his own fault but all in all a great fighter...as for who he fought and how it would turn out I am going to skip all that...Just say Breland would have caused a whole lot of trouble for the guys out there...reguardless of the outcome
Well put Daxx regardless of the outcomes Breland would have been a handful for anyone at 147 the guys skills can't be denied.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
What a talented fighter he was I know people talk about Duran, SRL, Hearns as the Welters but they weren't all natural Welters.
During this era we had Breland, Starling, Curry, Davis, Brown, Honeyghan, McCrory and Blocker all IMO very good fighters and all at that time considered World Class. Boy they had some great fights all together.
I think Brelands abilities were great early in his career I mean like many other Olympians his quality of opposition started off a lot better then most fighters who turn pro. The Davis fight for Breland was what IMO took out a lot from him I think he was wining the fight but the fight itself had been fought at a really fast pace and it was physical more then anything.
Breland against todays Welters:
I think Cottos too physical and would hurt Mark to the body taking away those legs and the ability to move. I'd say Cotto stops him late.
I think Mark vs. SSM would be a very interesting fight both well schooled fighters and IMO at 147 it'd be a coin toss for me. This isn't SSM the Lightweight and although SSM looked good at 147 he's only beaten Collazo there.
I think the Williamds fight would be also interesting the height is def. a plus for both. But I think WIllianms output is what would give him the win I think Williams would win a Decision.
I think Breland outboxes both Kermit & Margarito to a coll UD wins in both fights struggling just a little more with Margarito in the later stages of the fight.
Great topic Deanrw heres CC#79 on me and sorry that you haven't gotten any other responses. Maybe people haven't seen enough of Breland or they just don't care about it.
Also if it makes you feel any better I've done several topics where no ones responded, not 1 single response. ;)
Yeah you summed it up basically like I see it. He would definitely be in the mix, just as he was in the late 80's. He lacked whatever that magical element was to make a very good fighter a great fighter, but he had a fantastic jab and sweet right hand.
CC right back at you Mick.
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Probably the best Amateur fighter ever.I would think most punchers would beat him like a Cotto,or a Cintron.He just didn't have a great jaw.
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
I wonder how he would perform against todays guys. Mark had a good career but as someone in another thread on here mentioned, it fell short of expectations.
I think he would do very well. Could you imagine a fight with Williams? both like 6'2" tall!hehe
He only won the WBA title cos Honeygan gave it up. A peak Honeygan would have slaughtered him. honeygan at his peak was definately a top ten welter of alltime.
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
I wonder how he would perform against todays guys. Mark had a good career but as someone in another thread on here mentioned, it fell short of expectations.
I think he would do very well. Could you imagine a fight with Williams? both like 6'2" tall!hehe
He only won the WBA title cos Honeygan gave it up. A peak Honeygan would have slaughtered him. honeygan at his peak was definately a top ten welter of alltime.
I had mad respect for Honeyghan after Curry Crushing.He looked a hundred years old Vs. Breland.Wasn't that the infamous "Stop The fight" Rampage from Dan Dierdorf (ala Atlas) when Ref almost let Honeyghan get Killed??
Never was afan of Breland.One of the first fights I ever tapped that turned me hardcore fight fan was war with Davis in 90'.All time highlight reel KO after Underated Davis,Imo, absorbed and gave back some big brutality.
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
I wonder how he would perform against todays guys. Mark had a good career but as someone in another thread on here mentioned, it fell short of expectations.
I think he would do very well. Could you imagine a fight with Williams? both like 6'2" tall!hehe
He only won the WBA title cos Honeygan gave it up. A peak Honeygan would have slaughtered him. honeygan at his peak was definately a top ten welter of alltime.
No Offense, but you are overrating Honeyghan way too much. Yes he beat Curry, but Curry was ready to be beaten. He was a decent champion, but nowhere near top 10 of all time. That is a geographical motivated rating you are giving him.
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
I wonder how he would perform against todays guys. Mark had a good career but as someone in another thread on here mentioned, it fell short of expectations.
I think he would do very well. Could you imagine a fight with Williams? both like 6'2" tall!hehe
He only won the WBA title cos Honeygan gave it up. A peak Honeygan would have slaughtered him. honeygan at his peak was definately a top ten welter of alltime.
No Offense, but you are overrating Honeyghan way too much. Yes he beat Curry, but Curry was ready to be beaten. He was a decent champion, but nowhere near top 10 of all time. That is a geographical motivated rating you are giving him.
Curry wanst ready to be beaten he just ran in to a boxer who was at the top of his game. Honeygan before he turned in to a brawler was an amazingly talented boxer. And geography has nothing to do with it.
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Can anyone tell me which fights I should be looking out for of Breland? I'm not sure if I've seen him,I don't think so.
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I've a dvd with fights against Marlon Starling somewhere they're good fights
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
I wonder how he would perform against todays guys. Mark had a good career but as someone in another thread on here mentioned, it fell short of expectations.
I think he would do very well. Could you imagine a fight with Williams? both like 6'2" tall!hehe
He only won the WBA title cos Honeygan gave it up. A peak Honeygan would have slaughtered him. honeygan at his peak was definately a top ten welter of alltime.
No Offense, but you are overrating Honeyghan way too much. Yes he beat Curry, but Curry was ready to be beaten. He was a decent champion, but nowhere near top 10 of all time. That is a geographical motivated rating you are giving him.
Curry was P4P number 1 when Honeyghan beat him.
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Can anyone tell me which fights I should be looking out for of Breland? I'm not sure if I've seen him,I don't think so.
His win over Darryl Anthony was pretty good, Anthony was the only boxer to have ever beaten Breland in the amateurs i believe. His victory over Lloyd Honeyghan was very impressive and also check out his 2nd fight with Marlon Starling.
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Can anyone tell me which fights I should be looking out for of Breland? I'm not sure if I've seen him,I don't think so.
IMO the ones to look out for are:
vs. Starling I & II
vs. Lee
vs. Ozaki - IMO one of his finest performances.
vs. Lloyd
vs. Davis - What a battle it was, I strongly recommend this one.
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Can anyone tell me which fights I should be looking out for of Breland? I'm not sure if I've seen him,I don't think so.
His win over Darryl Anthony was pretty good, Anthony was the only boxer to have ever beaten Breland in the amateurs i believe. His victory over Lloyd Honeyghan was very impressive and also check out his 2nd fight with Marlon Starling.
Heres a clip of his fight vs Aaron Davis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrO4_4w5cqs
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Can anyone tell me which fights I should be looking out for of Breland? I'm not sure if I've seen him,I don't think so.
His win over Darryl Anthony was pretty good, Anthony was the only boxer to have ever beaten Breland in the amateurs i believe. His victory over Lloyd Honeyghan was very impressive and also check out his 2nd fight with Marlon Starling.
Heres a clip of his fight vs Aaron Davis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrO4_4w5cqs
This was a classic.....Announcers harping on NO rights by Davis and right on Q...BAM!!!The only one he through.Breland went down like he was shot.
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Can anyone tell me which fights I should be looking out for of Breland? I'm not sure if I've seen him,I don't think so.
shawn osullivan as an amateur in the olympics. osullivan was robbed of a ko.
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I think the late 80s to early 90s was a forgotten era in the WW division. Maybe it had a lot to do with Tyson's rise to fame. But like some said. A lot is made of the early 80s with Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez also the late 90s with Whitaker, Quartey, De la Hoya, Trinidad. But that time in between that was sort of skipped with Curry, Brown, Sterling, Blocker, Honeyghan was pretty damn good too.
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Can anyone tell me which fights I should be looking out for of Breland? I'm not sure if I've seen him,I don't think so.
shawn osullivan as an amateur in the olympics. osullivan was robbed of a ko.
Oh Man I forgot about Shawn. I remember when they were bringing him up through the pro's slowly. They were bringing him along gradually until he had like a 10-0 record, then all of a sudden thought it would be a good idea to match him up with Simon Brown. I was like "WTF? they are gonna get him killed!"
It was a Massacre!!
