Rocky Marciano---like or dislike

i say most definitly one of the greatest hw's - mayb not the greatest--but certinitaly up there. his claim to faim: never lost a fight. i guess there had 2b atleast 1 hw with a perfect record. so alltime great or not?

i think hes 1 of the greatest cuz his best attribute:heart

he was undefeated cuz of heart--doing whatever it takes 2 win the fight, not giving up. he reperesents the true spirit of boxing--

he was a cool fighter 2 watch because his punches looked like he was throwing fast balls -throwng haymaker after haymaker

his stamina was unbelievable-like the energizer bunny--just keeps going and going
y people dont like him--his opposition--which wasnt all that great but it was what it was. if u look at it joe louis had the same quality opposition. marciano never lost a fight--never took a fight lightly--and no1 can ever take that away from him.
the main reason i put this guy in my top 5--is because of heart.

of course hes an all time great. Like you say perhaps not the greatest but without a doubt to be lower then top 15 in anyones list would be a HUGE injustice to him. Historians say he was by far the most conditioned HW of all time....sheer determination, heart and will to win make the guy a legend anyways...put that along with a HUGE punch a granite chin and a unbeaten record you have to say hes an all time great no doubt.

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One of the hardest punchers P4P of all time had some great fights edge of your seat fights. Love his early career KO's some brutal beatings he handed out to Pretzie, Jefferson and DiGiorgio.

It's crazy to think that Layne was the betting fav. when he faced Rocky being that he had previously beaten Jersey Joe. That Layne KO was brutal in the sense that when Rocky hit him it took Laynes body about 5 more seconds before he actually felt the effect of the punch and he fell forward.

Love his fights with LaStarza I know people always talk about the second fight but that 1st one was back and forth all night.

The Ezzard fights were both great fights IMO.


One things for sure about Rocky if there was doubt of him actually wining a fight he'd go back in there and dance off with them again. He also won all of his rematches by KO/TKO.

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Originally Posted by cockey cockney

of course hes an all time great. Like you say perhaps not the greatest but without a doubt to be lower then top 15 in anyones list would be a HUGE injustice to him. Historians say he was by far the most conditioned HW of all time....sheer determination, heart and will to win make the guy a legend anyways...put that along with a HUGE punch a granite chin and a unbeaten record you have to say hes an all time great no doubt.

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Thats a little hyperbolic he didn't have better stamina than Holyfield, Prime Tua, prime Ali, prime Ibeabuchi... I think he was kind of like Hatton in that he fought older guys he was able to hunt down. He definitely hit hard, but I think he was a limited fighter who fought at the right time. Don't get me wrong he would be right up there in the Ali era, but he wouldn't have been on top... I think Frazier would have beaten him, Liston, prime Louis, Ali would have danced around him, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, J. Johnson, Tunney. I think he was great, but a step a below the best ever

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Originally Posted by cockey cockney

of course hes an all time great. Like you say perhaps not the greatest but without a doubt to be lower then top 15 in anyones list would be a HUGE injustice to him. Historians say he was by far the most conditioned HW of all time....sheer determination, heart and will to win make the guy a legend anyways...put that along with a HUGE punch a granite chin and a unbeaten record you have to say hes an all time great no doubt.

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Pretty much sums him up 100%......Though I do think he came along in the right era and made the best of it....Tough tough guy though.....skill wise he was an oaf...Rocky was a fighter not a boxer that is for sure....but he had those natural aspects that made up for it

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Exciting brawling style with 1 punch KO power and is a nice guy outside the ring whats not too like ??

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

Exciting brawling style with 1 punch KO power and is a nice guy outside the ring whats not too like ??

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what about when you said something along the lines of his opponents are not great ???

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

Exciting brawling style with 1 punch KO power and is a nice guy outside the ring whats not too like ??

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what about when you said something along the lines of his opponents are not great ???

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I said his opposition was questionable i didn't say i disliked Rocky Marciano, Thats totally different.

Quality of opposition maybe but guess what he beat everyone he had to.To be one of the greats you have to fight everyone and win and that's exactly what he did.To not put him up as one of the best heavyweight's is crazy.To me a very underated fighter simply because everyone will point and say "Ali would beat him".What also makes him interesting was his size I mean I don't think he ever went over 190 lbs. So by today's standards he would be small even for a cruiserweight.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

Quality of opposition maybe but guess what he beat everyone he had to.To be one of the greats you have to fight everyone and win and that's exactly what he did.To not put him up as one of the best heavyweight's is crazy.To me a very underated fighter simply because everyone will point and say "Ali would beat him".What also makes him interesting was his size I mean I don't think he ever went over 190 lbs. So by today's standards he would be small even for a cruiserweight.

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Well put FightFan...
To say his opposition is questionable is digging deep.
Can anyone here list fighters whom he ducked and or could have fought that are MORE prominent then Jersey Joe, Ezzard, LaStarza, Cockell, Louis and Layne?

Louis, Charles, Walcott, were all old and past there prime. In fact why didn't he fight Patterson or Ingemar ?? I think Marciano retired just at the right time. I never said he ducked anyone i said his best wins were against past there prime fighters.

Marciano one of my most favorite fighters


MYf avorite fight was with him and Roland LaStarza 2

I will argue this to the end, but Marciano was more like Cotto than like Tyson in terms of his punch. He would break guys down round after round, and then he would be able to KO them. Also to Nick it wasn't that he didn't fight everyone that was available as much as there was nobody available when he fought... Ezzard Charles was really old, and a naturally smaller guy in the first place, Joe Louis was comming out of retirement and he was really old. Walcott was already very old as well, and I might add that he was really outboxing Marciano, but he just was too old. IMO Marciano was in one of the weakest divisions the heavyweight has seen probably third after the heavyweight division a couple of years ago, and the holmes reign division.

I like him. He hits very hard and is incredibly tough. Plus he won all his fights. He'd get moved to by so many other greats but thats fair enough.. He weighed less than most cruiserweights do now.

like - great heart great determination. the only thing against him was that his high profile fights were against fighters past their prime - louis, walcott twice, archie moore, ezzard charles twice. not sure how hed fare nowadays as a cruiserweight but his work ethic was 2nd to none.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Like.

One of the hardest punchers P4P of all time had some great fights edge of your seat fights. Love his early career KO's some brutal beatings he handed out to Pretzie, Jefferson and DiGiorgio.

It's crazy to think that Layne was the betting fav. when he faced Rocky being that he had previously beaten Jersey Joe. That Layne KO was brutal in the sense that when Rocky hit him it took Laynes body about 5 more seconds before he actually felt the effect of the punch and he fell forward.

Love his fights with LaStarza I know people always talk about the second fight but that 1st one was back and forth all night.

The Ezzard fights were both great fights IMO.


One things for sure about Rocky if there was doubt of him actually wining a fight he'd go back in there and dance off with them again. He also won all of his rematches by KO/TKO.

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Great Summery Mick.. your a an encyclopedia of boxing knowledge, ..cc


Marciano was a fantastic watch. the blue print of how to fight short and be successful. its funny though, now every time someone say Marciano i think of that larry holmes ESPN clip someone sent me, and I start laughing my ass off.. .. hold on , ill find it.. Larry Holmes was one funny MUTHF#$2#$. I always a get a chuckle from this clip.. What the hell he was on about I haven’t a clue ? Whatever it was , its some damn funny right there.

http://megavideo.com/?v=UBA95DKX

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I will argue this to the end, but Marciano was more like Cotto than like Tyson in terms of his punch. He would break guys down round after round, and then he would be able to KO them. Also to Nick it wasn't that he didn't fight everyone that was available as much as there was nobody available when he fought... Ezzard Charles was really old, and a naturally smaller guy in the first place, Joe Louis was comming out of retirement and he was really old. Walcott was already very old as well, and I might add that he was really outboxing Marciano, but he just was too old. IMO Marciano was in one of the weakest divisions the heavyweight has seen probably third after the heavyweight division a couple of years ago, and the holmes reign division.

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I agree that he broke down guys over time with pressure like Cotto, but Suzy Q had more 1-punch KO power than Cotto's left hook. Like you said, Walcott was pretty much outboxing Marciano until Rocky set him up with that little feint jab and put Suzy Q flush on Walcott's jaw. I'm not sure Cotto has that kind of nuclear bomb in arsenal, but Miguel Cotto is probably all around boxer than Rocky was. He did fight in a weaker era, for sure, but he had one of the all time great right hands and chin to go with it. That makes him a threat in any era.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I will argue this to the end, but Marciano was more like Cotto than like Tyson in terms of his punch. He would break guys down round after round, and then he would be able to KO them. Also to Nick it wasn't that he didn't fight everyone that was available as much as there was nobody available when he fought... Ezzard Charles was really old, and a naturally smaller guy in the first place, Joe Louis was comming out of retirement and he was really old. Walcott was already very old as well, and I might add that he was really outboxing Marciano, but he just was too old. IMO Marciano was in one of the weakest divisions the heavyweight has seen probably third after the heavyweight division a couple of years ago, and the holmes reign division.

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well charles was 32--marciano was 30---not much of a big difference---2 say charles was very old--is a bit of an exaggeration. and rocky looks really small next to charles -yes walcott gave him a boxing lesson--but rocky was also blind 4 rounds-the 4 rounds which he lost to walcott --then got his eyesight back and won rounds.
louis heavyweight divion was the same quality as marciano's-

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Like.

One of the hardest punchers P4P of all time had some great fights edge of your seat fights. Love his early career KO's some brutal beatings he handed out to Pretzie, Jefferson and DiGiorgio.

It's crazy to think that Layne was the betting fav. when he faced Rocky being that he had previously beaten Jersey Joe. That Layne KO was brutal in the sense that when Rocky hit him it took Laynes body about 5 more seconds before he actually felt the effect of the punch and he fell forward.

Love his fights with LaStarza I know people always talk about the second fight but that 1st one was back and forth all night.
The Ezzard fights were both great fights IMO.


One things for sure about Rocky if there was doubt of him actually wining a fight he'd go back in there and dance off with them again. He also won all of his rematches by KO/TKO.

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does that fight exist on film--i could never find it anywhwere

I like Rocky Marciano I think he's a lock top 3 Greatest All-Time heavyweight....he never lost, he fought with great heart, he never ducked anyone, he never let off the gas from 3:00 to 0.00 of every round, and he has an amazing KO ratio to have won every fight he fought as most punchers end up getting outboxed, but not Rocky

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Like.

One of the hardest punchers P4P of all time had some great fights edge of your seat fights. Love his early career KO's some brutal beatings he handed out to Pretzie, Jefferson and DiGiorgio.

It's crazy to think that Layne was the betting fav. when he faced Rocky being that he had previously beaten Jersey Joe. That Layne KO was brutal in the sense that when Rocky hit him it took Laynes body about 5 more seconds before he actually felt the effect of the punch and he fell forward.

Love his fights with LaStarza I know people always talk about the second fight but that 1st one was back and forth all night.

The Ezzard fights were both great fights IMO.


One things for sure about Rocky if there was doubt of him actually wining a fight he'd go back in there and dance off with them again. He also won all of his rematches by KO/TKO.

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Great Summery Mick.. your a an encyclopedia of boxing knowledge, ..cc


Marciano was a fantastic watch. the blue print of how to fight short and be successful. its funny though, now every time someone say Marciano i think of that larry holmes ESPN clip someone sent me, and I start laughing my ass off.. .. hold on , ill find it.. Larry Holmes was one funny MUTHF#$2#$. I always a get a chuckle from this clip.. What the hell he was on about I haven’t a clue ? Whatever it was , its some damn funny right there.

http://megavideo.com/?v=UBA95DKX

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Thanks LG in return I'd like to present you with your 1,000th CC ;) :party: :drunks: CHEERS!
LG and thanks for the video I had seen that on one of those ESPN:Classics funny as fuck... ;D

I am not trying to say he isn't great, but IMO its just hard to stand by and let people put him in the top 5 best heavyweights when there are guys like Johnson, Louis, Tunney, Demspey, Langford, Ketchel who had already fought before him and then guys like Ali, Holmes, Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield... I just can't see him being placed higher than them or even Lennox Lewis who some might find suprising but I think he does well against almost anyone who ever fought at heavyweight.

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

Louis, Charles, Walcott, were all old and past there prime. In fact why didn't he fight Patterson or Ingemar ?? I think Marciano retired just at the right time. I never said he ducked anyone i said his best wins were against past there prime fighters.

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Who knows why he didn't fight those two but I don't think it was because he was worried. As soon as he caught Patterson he would have KO'd him..Patterson would have had to make him miss for 15 rounds. He also probably would have taken Ingemar's best shots and come back with his own..that would have been a great fight!
I guess I like Rocky, he's not an inspiration to me or anything. Things that impress me :- His weight:power ratio, his chin, his determination and the fact he remained undefeated even though he was quite limited as far as boxing goes. Definitely not top 5 ATG for me..purely based on opposition but thats not his fault.

Ambivlent towards him
He was the best fighter of a weak field who knew to get out while the getting was good
Wont say he wouldnt have succeeded at say Cruiser in another era,cant tell one way or the other,all the big names on his resume were well and truly spent when he got them,and he got out before he had to deal with big bruisers like Liston

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Originally Posted by undefeated

i say most definitly one of the greatest hw's - mayb not the greatest--but certinitaly up there. his claim to faim: never lost a fight. i guess there had 2b atleast 1 hw with a perfect record. so alltime great or not?

i think hes 1 of the greatest cuz his best attribute:heart

he was undefeated cuz of heart--doing whatever it takes 2 win the fight, not giving up. he reperesents the true spirit of boxing--

he was a cool fighter 2 watch because his punches looked like he was throwing fast balls -throwng haymaker after haymaker

his stamina was unbelievable-like the energizer bunny--just keeps going and going
y people dont like him--his opposition--which wasnt all that great but it was what it was. if u look at it joe louis had the same quality opposition. marciano never lost a fight--never took a fight lightly--and no1 can ever take that away from him.
the main reason i put this guy in my top 5--is because of heart.

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Marciano was the best of his era. Its anybodies guess how fighters of different eras really compare, but to be the best of your generation and to never be beaten is special.

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Originally Posted by undefeated

i say most definitly one of the greatest hw's - mayb not the greatest--but certinitaly up there. his claim to faim: never lost a fight. i guess there had 2b atleast 1 hw with a perfect record. so alltime great or not?

i think hes 1 of the greatest cuz his best attribute:heart

he was undefeated cuz of heart--doing whatever it takes 2 win the fight, not giving up. he reperesents the true spirit of boxing--

he was a cool fighter 2 watch because his punches looked like he was throwing fast balls -throwng haymaker after haymaker

his stamina was unbelievable-like the energizer bunny--just keeps going and going
y people dont like him--his opposition--which wasnt all that great but it was what it was. if u look at it joe louis had the same quality opposition. marciano never lost a fight--never took a fight lightly--and no1 can ever take that away from him.
the main reason i put this guy in my top 5--is because of heart.

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Marciano was the best of his era. Its anybodies guess how fighters of different eras really compare, but to be the best of your generation and to never be beaten is special.

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That sentence sums it up for me. If he were to be in an imaginary tournament with all the other legends, IMO he wouldn't fare to well as he'd be beaten by a fair number of the others, but then that's not the fair way to judge.

The way I see it is what would each of the greats have done if they were born in each others eras with their opportunities, e.g. what would Tyson have achieved if he were born in Marciano's time and stepped into the same gym at the same age?

Rocky showed tremendous heart, stamina and determination to overcome fighters who were technically superior to him, he may very well be considered as the greatest competitor the division has ever seen, and p4p considered more than a match to most of the other greats to in hypothetical match ups. Put me in the like category.

Definitely like, but then I am working on a biography of the champ title Redemption: The Life & Death of Rocky Marciano...

There's nothing to really dislike about the Rock IMO. So Like

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Originally Posted by John Cameron

Definitely like, but then I am working on a biography of the champ title Redemption: The Life & Death of Rocky Marciano...

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I'll keep an eye out for your book. I have a question though...how will your book be different from the other Marciano books out there?

Love Marciano, defies physics. The saying goes there is no replacement for displacement does not work for him, he is like car with a 4 cylinder engine but put out 400 bhp. I love lil guys that packs a punch.

I tend to dislike ignorant posters who think he could beat every heavyweight in history and was the greatest. However reading about him he was an exceptional fighter to achieve what he did with the limits he had. He was also a lover of baseball and was tight with his money, what’s not to love about him.