Is Barack Hussein Obama a muslim?
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Is Barack Hussein Obama a muslim?
http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...ama_muslim.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
I know very little about him, but he is a good speaker, dont really know his platform. Hilary seems to have more of a plan, and I am all for health care for everyone, shit if Canada can do it, damn it we can do it...definately tax the corporations and ultra wealthy but nobody dares fuck with them....and why oh why is there not a flat tax rate? Can someone explain that to me?
A flat tax is exactly what wealthy people and corporations want! IT is because it is by far the most 'regressive' type of tax. Taxes such as flat taxes, fees, sales tax, etc. are regressive because poor people pay much more of their % of income on them. Whereas an income type tax is made to a mroe incremental type of system.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
No,he isnt,this has been debunked a billion times,he's a christian
Well our income tax brackets are screwed because the wealthy pay a far lower percentage, a flat tax would make them pay more wouldnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Absolutely NOT! YOu would pay more and they would pay less. So I guess it evens out. :-\ I mean think about it. A "flat tax" is the same rate paid by all. There are a hell of a lot more poor to middle class people than wealthy. So by common sense they will pay less.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Ok, I think your thinking I'm talking about a flat rate, but what I meant to say was a standard percentage rate not a standard sum.
If there was a flat %, then i can see how healthcare could eventually become free like Canada.. In theory it sounds like a great idea but i really don't think i know how i'd feel about it til it actually happened.. I mean, how many people here HATE going to the ER because they know they'll have to wait at LEAST an hour and most times more..
Remember that everyone in that room is PAYING money to be there, so they obviously feel there is something wrong with them..
Now think if you didn't have to pay for that visit.. the number of people in the room would multiply by at least 3 i'm guessing, which would mean you'd have to wait 3 hours minimum in that same scenario..
Unfortunately it's a tough area to argue about, because you hear all of the stories of people not going to the ER cause it's too expensive, but they actually had something wrong with them, and because they didn't go it got worse and eventually they died from it.. So you have those occurences in the back of your mind when you're saying that you don't want free healthcare.. it's a tough situation.
Although if you want free healthcare, Canada isn't that far away if you live here in the states ;D
....I really don't care about his middle name or if he's a muslim
WE ALREADY HAVE AN INEXPERIENCED PRESIDENT
ha ha. I like that Lyle. Honestly I don't see how the Democrats can pick either him or Hillary over Joe Biden or Dodds IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Biden is his own worst enemy....he likes to talk.....A LOT. I like him though, he's a good guy
read somewhere that he is the antichrist. LOL... the story went on to say if you type in antichrist as a yahoo search, its says also try Barack Obama antichrist...all on its own.. :o
who believe in all that shit anyway ? ???.. fukin hell.. Id vote for some else just to air the side of caution if I was yawl ! LMFAO :laugh:
speaking of obama...my friend and I was at a caffe just chatting a bit. She ask me, have you been following the presidential race recently? I answered, no not really. She goes, well have you heard of Barack Obama. I answered, yea heard and read about him a bit. I then ask why. My friend answers, well I have a bad feeling about that guy...he looks like an Iragy in disguise. I almost spit my drink out in laughter. I tell her no he doesnt, she frowns and says well if not Iraqy then somewhere from the middle-east. Apperently she fears he may well have terrorist ties and possibly take over america to ruin and destroy our country. Shes a funny gal with amazing imaginations ;D
...there is no IQ limit on voters and sometimes that is the sad reality
I swear we need to make it law that you need to pass an I.Q. test to vote.
What do you mean pass an I.Q test. do you mean have a standard I.Q like voters must be above 90 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I'm just sick of people voting with little to no knowledge of the candidates or their agendas. Voting for Barack because he's black and for Hilary because she's a woman, that makes me sick to my stomach. Its like a high school election, look how Arnold won California....name recognition. Thats how we got Ronald Reagan.
We do not need an I.Q. test....that to me would be like going back to the days when they didn't let black people vote because they had to pass a constitutional type test. A new form of Jim Crow.
Have you noticed how close No Contest and Julius are on post count. Quite amazing.
....an IQ test would be a new form of Jim Crow, along the lines of reading tests, and poll taxes.
It's a testament to the greatness of our country, stupid people can vote and we're still the best
Hey boozebitch and Lyle I was being sarcastic, obviously you didnt pass the I.Q. test and your offended, I'm sorry. ;D What the hell are you trying to say about the post count, I can guarentee you I'm not Julius Rain you fucking turd.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Just out of interest why do you think your still the best? ???
...who is better?Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I can understand where your coming from it is a lot like a popularity contest. It is up to politicians to sell themselves out there. What ever is going for them they will take advantage of, in hope for more gullible voters. It is not that bad here though as is in other country.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Im not necessarly for an required I.Q test, Im just keeping an open mind. Yea its not amazing me and NO Contest have nearly the same post count, that really has nothing to do with anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
You guys know there is a test that need to be pass to be able to vote in this country. The CITIZENSHIP TEST!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Like I said Im not saying Im for an I.Q test to be required but I don't think its really as wrong as what some may think. Like how majority of Americans are not aware that LEGAL IMMIGRANTS are required to pass a CITIZENSHIP TEST. Even if they have lived here majority of their lives.Most Americans also don't know how Legal Immigrants who does pass these Citizenship test know a lot more then most natural born american citizen, cause they actually studied instead of just being influence with the flow of things. Im sure a women from pakistan that pass an American Citizenship Test know more then the natural born blonde american citizen does about politics, history and voting. You can bet your bottom we have a lot more natural born dumbs then hard working immigrants whom studied this country. So Imo whats the difference, since theres a Citizenship test already it won't be as bad as having an I.Q test. Again though I am not saying Im for these test. I actually think making hard working legal immigrants pay for a citizenship test of nearly $800 is wrong and they say this is a free country.
Easy Jules I was just makign a statement about your post count.
and I don't appreciate being called Boozebitch.
I wasn't trying to offend you or anybody and I never called you boozebitch or any foul names.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
To many to name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Reasons why you are not the best.
Health care in America is awful.
The rich are so rich they corrupt the government.Big business runs the US.
The poor are neglected and left to rot in there ghetto's.
Check out how different the US governments response to the Fires in the rich parts of California and then how the floods in poor and mostly black New Orleans were treated.If you are poor in America nobody cares.If you are poor and black then you are really fucked.
The fact that there so many guns in America is crazy.How many more school/collage shootings do you need to know that?
The amount of money the US spends on weapons is scandales when you consider how poor some people are in your own country.
Even thought America has the most powerfull military in the world some of your people still think that the UN or some other group is tyring to take over your country.
Why are your cars so big?Is it coz so many Americans are soooooooooooo fat.
American and Britan I got to add has created a new Terrorist training ground with the stupid and short sited invasion of Iraqi.Plus thousands of people have died.
So there are lots of reasons why America is not the best dont you think???????????
P.S I love America and hope to go there in November. ;D
I never said America was perfect.....but yeah we are a great nation, don't think I'm being too patriotic I like other countries too but there's only one country I love, and that's America baby!
Health Care is easily fixable it's just a matter of doing it....just make it like car insurance.
1. No company should be able to DENY health insurance to anyone, you should get a quote anywhere
2. Make it cheaper
3. When in a business group if anything happens to kick you out of group coverage you/your family should be made an offer to be able to buy into the coverage and stay covered.
Yes big businesses have a lot of weight in Washington but they provide jobs and pay tons of taxes and if the government is into shutting down/handicapping various businesses then yeah the businesses will use lobbyists to get what they want.
Don't even start on guns in America, England banned guns and what happened to violant crime???? It went up, bravo way to think that one out....it is a RIGHT of the American Citizen to own guns and for every crime committed by a gun wielding kid there are plenty of law obiding citizens that have a gun and don't kill anyone.
American cars are big because we don't have a good railroad system and our towns and cities aren't smushed together so you can walk or ride a bike everywhere.
I'm sure if you're poor and black and in England then everything is just peachy keen....poor people have it rough EVERYWHERE.
I would rather stay in American government housing than any other poverty stricken area of the world....at least I would have my guns with me there....and if someone breaks in I have the privilege to shoot and kill them.
Well I hope you get crushed by fat Americans......you know everything in Europe is tiny, how do you live with that? And no Air Conditioning what the FUNK is up with that?!?!
And yes the UN does want to control parts of America....the Law of the Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol are ways they will try to influence and control America
Actually Lyle, do you not believe that a person who willingly makes an effort not to smoke or do drugs and takes caer of their body deserves the same rates as someone who does not?? I certainly think this is unfair.
then stop acting like one.....Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Would you like to point out where I said that?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I'll explain insurance to you, there are certain perils and hazzards in insuring anyone for anything. For example people who smoke and do drugs have a hard time finding affordable LIFE Insurance as well and Life Insurance is very well regulated and available for damn near everyone the only people really fully exempt from Life Insurance coverage are people over 100 years old because at that time you have outlived your life expectancy and should be well taken care of either by your family or by (I dread the thought) the government.
As for Health Insurance you should be able to find quotes even if you do smoke or do drugs....but your rates will be substantially higher it would be no different than insuring a driver who has had numerous wrecks or tickets or even a DUI....you cannot deny them, you can always cut off their coverage but you have to have good reasons ie they didn't pay their premium or are making the exact same claims over and over again and do nothing to keep it from occuring in the future.
But yes health insurance should be available to everyone and I am not so sure that everyone shouldn't HAVE to have it as it would help make rates go down because the majority of the burden of the unpaid bills wouldn't fall on the regular everyday paying consumer....some might but not ALL of them.
While I did misconstue your first thread.... I will say that unaffordable insurance is insurance denied. I do agree something should be done very quickly as the prudent citizen is the one carrying the burden. CC lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Could you expand your argument a little?Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I only called you that because you completely got my post wrong and tried to insinuate that I was some kind of bigot. Then you foolishly tried to discredit me by saying that I'm actually Julius Rain, that was completely out of nowhere. Or am I completely off base? If so I apologize. If I'm right , then your still a bitch in my book.
CC returned BoozeboxerQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
While there is "unaffordable" insurance there are also specialty firms which can provide lower costs for certain areas, ie there are specialty firms for car insurance and then there are specialty car insurance firms which sells to "high risk" insurees, to people who have loads of tickets, people convicted of DWI's, people who have had multiple accidents, etc.
Those businesses are able to provide relatively cheap insurance #1 because everyone needs car insurance and #2 by specifying the kind of insurance they sell then they specify the kind of customer they attract and they work out the numbers and are able to afford to offer such low rates to such "high risk" clinetel
No I did refer to you in the J.Rain's post. HOwever I assumed that you knew that I did not have the two of you mistaken and just posted in one quote for convience. CC man. live and let live.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
CC back, I am misunderstood alot around here, I should use the sarcasm emote, but that kind of takes the fun out of sarcasm.
You did not say it was perfect,you said it was the best.Nothing you have wrote has changed my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
To pick up on a few of your points.If its so easy to fix your health system,Why has it not been done?
I think Violent crime is more related to the rise of drugs rather than the banning of guns.Even before they were banned they had to be locked up in a safe/gun cabnate,so they were not exactly easy to get to if you were being robbed.
Of course poor people have it rough every where but in Britan they are treated the same especially in a national emergency.Not left to rot and die.
As for the UN...your have a laugh.The smallest states of the world have signed up to this but the big old US of A feels under threat.
The best thing about America is that people like your self can be treated like shit but still be happy about it and say "I am proud to be an America".
Your government and big business must be laughing there cocks off at you gullible fools.
Well there is a lot to change....and I am not sure how fast my plan would be able to impliment
If crime in America is bad now, then wouldn't banning guns and running the risk of increasing violent crime be a bad thing? Also it's in the fucking Bill of Rights!
The smallest countries sign up for anything the UN wants to do because they don't lose much AND they can use their newfound leverage to enact rules for the United States and that's exactly what the Kyoto meetings were about and the meetings just recently in like Bali or somewhere....these countries are not economically affected as much by the implimentations of these laws or standards
Hurricane Katrina was a tough situation it was poorly handled by EVERY level of government city, state, and federal. I think you must realize that the Federal Government while well funded and HUGE is very slow to mobilize because being a bureaucracy there is a ton of red tape to go through to get everyone ready to go much less at ground zero and helping people out. I am not amazed that Hurricane Katrina got so much press because of the "poor" and the "blacks".....the same motherfucking things happened in Miami, Florida when Hurricane Andrew hit, and the blizzards in Buffalo, and Hurricane Hugo in South Carolina but I guess their failures with the general public should be overlooked and we should give the poor people the best service because obviously they pay the most taxes and contribute so much to our society.
"Any time there is a natural disaster FEMA is trotted out as an example of how well government programs work. In reality, by using taxpayer dollars to provide disaster relief and subsidized insurance, FEMA itself encourages Americans to build in disaster-prone areas and makes the rest of us pick up the tab for those risk decisions. In a well-functioning private marketplace, individuals who chose to build houses in flood plains or hurricane zones would bear the cost of the increased risk through higher insurance premiums. FEMA's activities undermine that process. Americans should not be forced to pay the cost of rebuilding oceanfront summer homes. This $4 billion-a-year agency should be abolished" - James Bovard
I haven't been treated like shit, I have had many opportunities in this great country and I think it's insane for you to make that remark.
Dont you think its a bit of a sad reflection of where you live that you think you need guns that a lot of armys around the world would be jealous of to feel safe in your own home?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Is that an example of the best there is.I think not.
You got to bed with an M-16 surounded by land mines to feel safe.I just have a cup of hot chocolate to sort me out for the night. :Sarcasm:
But you get the point I am making.