Miguel Cotto is vastly over-rated (experiment time)

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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Ono, come on. I am not one to say that Cotto would beat up Floyd, though I think he has as good a chance as any, but you are really talking some serious shite here.

Torres gave Cotto some tough rounds yes but Cotto was defenately not strugling to win that fight. And Corely? You've got to be kidding. He landed one good punch and pretty much got his ass kicked for the rest of the fight, which was not long. And if you want to compare Mayweather to Cotto, I don't think you should bring Corley into the discussion.

Judah ain't passed it, he just was'nt that good to begin with and even a passed it Mosely is better than most welterweights out there.

Asside from that, yes I agree some people overrate Cotto but he still is pretty damn good. I expect another big year for him, by the end of it he will eather be THE MAN at 147 (either by fighting PBF or by PBF retireing) or have his first loss.

I've been going against him and he keeps winning so I'm gonna lay off, but he has a suspect chin to me, that being one of his few weaknesses. His skills are improving but I still wouldnt pick him over Mayweather anytime soon.

When i saw the Torres fight, i was convinced Cotto was a face-first baffoon. Despite the work i see him put in against Bailey.

I said he'd wind up another 'Gatti'. Not so bad really but hardly elliet.

But know i can see he has come on a fiar bit since his later Light Wleter days.... He seems to have adjusted to the gradual increase in skill he's had to encounted. I mean his display against Mosley was far from domination but who would of thought....?
Well.... The Cotto fans knew the score but that just goes to show, their onto something...

Im keeping my eyes on you Cotto fans :cwm13:

Cotto is very good. Mosley and Judah on the trot is no easy task.

I wanna see him against Williams or Mayweather. I see both beating him though.

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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Ono, come on. I am not one to say that Cotto would beat up Floyd, though I think he has as good a chance as any, but you are really talking some serious shite here.

Torres gave Cotto some tough rounds yes but Cotto was defenately not strugling to win that fight. And Corely? You've got to be kidding. He landed one good punch and pretty much got his a** kicked for the rest of the fight, which was not long. And if you want to compare Mayweather to Cotto, I don't think you should bring Corley into the discussion.

Judah ain't passed it, he just was'nt that good to begin with and even a passed it Mosely is better than most welterweights out there.

Asside from that, yes I agree some people overrate Cotto but he still is pretty damn good. I expect another big year for him, by the end of it he will eather be THE MAN at 147 (either by fighting PBF or by PBF retireing) or have his first loss.

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Agreed with Rookie, he might not be on Floyd's level but who the hell is. Cotto's record stands up to just as much scrutiny as a few names in the p4p top 10, so he does have a legitimate shout to be in there.

Your main argument is that he struggled in two fights in his previous weight class, a few years ago now, well guess what, the guy considered no 2 in the world has K.O. losses from years ago at a previous weight class.

If someone were to say that Cotto is already a legendary fighter then that would be overrating him, but most of his fans rate him similar to where Rookiefan rates him which isn't unreasonable by any means.

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

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Whoever think Cotto would destroy PBF is delusional. PBFs speed and ability alone are enough to give Cotto trouble. Not to mention his knew profound power that he's suddenly found at this higher weights.
But you can bet your ass I'm rooting for Cotto alll the way.

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Originally Posted by ono

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

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Can ask who has Cotto listed in their Top 5 P4P fighters? I'd like to laugh at them myself.
Cottos just hit top 10 and theres room for an arguement there. I personally would say Cottos #7.

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Originally Posted by ono

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

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Struggling isn't what a P4P fighter does?
What the hell? So you think SRR never struggled with anyone?
PBF struggled with JLC and actually lost to him IMO?
P4P can not only struggle but P4P fighters can actually loose and still be P4P.
Who else has Torres beat well Holt was a prominent name and top contender himself good skills.

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Originally Posted by ono

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.

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Corely stunned BOTH Cotto & PBF when he fought them. ;)

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Originally Posted by ono

Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

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This is the funny part here that Cotto DIDN'T need to fight Paulie if he didn't want to. Cotto had been struggling making 140 around the Torres fight and had already contemplated moving up. But guess what Paulie opened his big mouth and said he'd dance circles around Cotto. Now Cotto could have said OK well good for you and moved on but he didn't he stood at 140 for one more fight to give Paulie his shot. Cottos a fighter and regardless of how you think he will fare against an opponent ones things for sure he's in the ring to win and nothing more.

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Originally Posted by ono

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

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I agree that neither one was in their prime especially Zab and I was the only one on here argueing that people would not credit Cotto with a Zab win. I argued this point to the death with people here before the fight.
SSM well you gotta look at how he had been performing that's fine if you want to discredit the Vargas fights but did you see that Collazo performance? That was a testiment to the old school SSM. Fast hands good movement picking his shots making Collazo miss going to the body.
So although SSM wasn't in his prime he had been performing up to par with the best around.

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All hype i tell ya ;)

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I think someone just told 'ya 8)

I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.

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Originally Posted by Mar

I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.

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Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.

Is Floyd really getting mixed up in MMA???

If Floyd took off 2 years I bet he would have to come back as light middle or middleweight. 2 yrs layoff would seriously hurt him.

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If Floyd took off 2 years I bet he would have to come back as light middle or middleweight. 2 yrs layoff would seriously hurt him.

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I'm sure he wont loose his training habbits...
When he said 2 years off the ring I'm assuming he just ment fighting and not shutting off the lights of his gym and not working out. Athletes like him are workaholics being in the gym and working out is part of everyday life to them.

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Originally Posted by Mar

I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.

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Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.

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Thats if Cotto is still undefeated in 2009 . Floyd might be kept in cold storage but there are afew threats for Cotto to be keeping busy against .

Paul Williams I think may launch an assult on the p4p ratings in 2008 and join Cotto and Floyd as 1 of the premier fighters of world boxing .

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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I think your forgetting that his fights with Corley, Torres, Paulie. Were all at Jr Welterweight where he was much weaker and didn't have the punch resistance he has at Welterweight now. Plus he is much stronger at Welterweight, it makes me laugh when people bring up these fights when Cotto said personally he wasn't comfortable at the weight, and he has shown he has much better punch resistance at Welterweight.

And as for Torres you do know that he almost had 100 percent KO record when Cotto fought him right ?? so he is obviously a massive puncher and can rock anyone with 1 punch, add to the fact that Cotto's punch resistance wasn't good at Jr Welterweight based on not being comfortable at the weight. And Cotto will get wobbled numerous times thats pretty obvious. And you do know that Torres is the current WBO Jr Welterweight champion right ?? so he can't be that bad.

As for Corley he can wobble anyone with 1 punch as Floyd Mayweather Jr found out. Plus Corley was a former Jr Welterweight champion and gave Zab Judah 12 tough rounds. Do you even know the history on Corley or Torres ?? because by what your implying your basically saying there nobodies/journeymans. When thats not true at all both men have held World titles and both men have been in there with solid opposition.

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Originally Posted by Mar

I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.

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Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.

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Thats if Cotto is still undefeated in 2009 . Floyd might be kept in cold storage but there are afew threats for Cotto to be keeping busy against .

Paul Williams I think may launch an assult on the p4p ratings in 2008 and join Cotto and Floyd as 1 of the premier fighters of world boxing .

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Right on GAME I'm sure he'll be busy you also have his 'Mandatorys' & other champs.
But my moneys on that Cotto goes all the way to 2009 udefeated (@ Welter) unless he moves up in weight I can't see him loosing to Margarito or Cintron. Williams IMO posses the most trouble for him.

:banana:

Easy does it.......just reeling em in ;D

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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Ok sit your a$$ down. Class is in session.

Its no secret he was having weight troubles and it was affecting the way he took punches at 140.

On the Subject of Corley, he hurt floyd too though not as badly as Cotto was hurt. He has sneaky power and is pretty sneaky with slipping in good shots.

He fought wrecklessly against Torres and paid the price although not the ultimate one. Still you know how that fight ended.

He wasn't hurt in Paulie fight so I won't get into it.

Judah knocked down floyd (though the ref didn't count it) and hurt him another time. He is a very fast guy with good power so it could happen to even the best against him. BTW, Cotto didn't get knocked down by him and he won by KO not decision. (like floyd) BTW, wasn't Zab beating floyd halfway through their fight?

Shane beat the guy floyd beat by split decision 2 times. Not to mention he was more active than Oscar and fighting at a much higher level.

Bottom line is that, of all their common opponents, Cotto won by ko and floyd by decision. So get it together before posting something so ridiculous.

Class dismissed!

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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Ok sit your a$$ down. Class is in session.

Its no secret he was having weight troubles and it was affecting the way he took punches at 140.

On the Subject of Corley, he hurt floyd too though not as badly as Cotto was hurt. He has sneaky power and is pretty sneaky with slipping in good shots.

He fought wrecklessly against Torres and paid the price although not the ultimate one. Still you know how that fight ended.

He wasn't hurt in Paulie fight so I won't get into it.

Judah knocked down floyd (though the ref didn't count it) and hurt him another time. He is a very fast guy with good power so it could happen to even the best against him. BTW, Cotto didn't get knocked down by him and he won by KO not decision. (like floyd)

Shane beat the guy floyd beat by split decision 2 times. Not to mention he was more active than Oscar and fighting at a much higher level.

Bottom line is that, of all their common opponents, Cotto won by ko and floyd by decision. So get it together before posting something so ridiculous.

Class dismissed!

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Waheeeeyyyyy! ;D

You even bit after i posted the fishing picture

Time to re-post my original post.....highlighting the important parts. Fwockers! :P

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After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

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This is a wind up, you've been had, let's go fishing


And i have to say......i was the one who went fishing and you guys took the bait. Magic ;D

CC's all around.

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Originally Posted by Mar

I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.

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Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.

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Ooohh you know what i'm real close to saying i agree with you, time is the only thing i see beating floyd, but if this scenario did happen that would be the excuse given for floyd's loss so that's why i for one would like to just see him retire and do something else in boxing. People like wes ferguson could really use his extra attention. You got me thinking though...here's a cc.

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Originally Posted by Mar

I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.

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Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.

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Ooohh you know what i'm real close to saying i agree with you, time is the only thing i see beating floyd, but if this scenario did happen that would be the excuse given for floyd's loss so that's why i for one would like to just see him retire and do something else in boxing. People like wes ferguson could really use his extra attention. You got me thinking though...here's a cc.

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CC#110 on me Mar and it's something that I've toyed with in my mind since PBFs post fight interview.
I'm dead serious if they fight in 2009 you can sure as hell bet that Cotto will have the upper hand.

Cotto is now just coming to prime, thats what floyd fans and others must fear and thats the bottom line.

He had some struggle in past fights but did he lose? nope he came up big when needed and imo that has made cotto a beast. In all honestly i use to root against cotto, but he has earned it from me. He is a lot more stronger at 147 and imo is getting better and better.

I really can't see how anyone can call him a fraud, his a very dangerous fighter. Everyone must know this.

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:banana:

Easy does it.......just reeling em in ;D

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does that man know he has to come closer to the water ???

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Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

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HEHE I smell HATER!!!!! lol

anywho.... please show me where exactly Paulie hurt Cotto?

I do remember Paulie caught Cotto of balance but that was it.


Fighters that hurt Cotto:
Corley
Torres
Zab


Not even Mosley hurt Cotto and if he didi give me proof what round and what mins and secs

I was going to say,Ono is just winding you guys up. I've been fooled by him before,never again I say! :D

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Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

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HEHE I smell HATER!!!!! lol

anywho.... please show me where exactly Paulie hurt Cotto?

I do remember Paulie caught Cotto of balance but that was it.


Fighters that hurt Cotto:
Corley
Torres
Zab


Not even Mosley hurt Cotto and if he didi give me proof what round and what mins and secs

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;) Yes Puya you are correct im agree with you , for all Cottos haters i want to say that he are improved everything in boxing,yeap he sometimes was hurted ,but that showed that he can similated a big puncher and know how to control himself for finish his oponents those fight was past when he were bigining , so now have more experience ,strong ,speed and different strategie for fight ,i dont even have a doubt that he is the most stronguest fighter in welterweight. But the question is Are Mayweather demostrated that he can similate a big punchers ? What a good fighter have Mayweather in welterweight resume? 8)

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Originally Posted by Mar

I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.

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Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.

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Thats if Cotto is still undefeated in 2009 . Floyd might be kept in cold storage but there are afew threats for Cotto to be keeping busy against .

Paul Williams I think may launch an assult on the p4p ratings in 2008 and join Cotto and Floyd as 1 of the premier fighters of world boxing .

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Right on GAME I'm sure he'll be busy you also have his 'Mandatorys' & other champs.
But my moneys on that Cotto goes all the way to 2009 udefeated (@ Welter) unless he moves up in weight I can't see him loosing to Margarito or Cintron. Williams IMO posses the most trouble for him.

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Yeah I think he'll make it undefeated too . He is a better all round fighter than Margarito . Cintron went down in my estimation after his last fight and dont think apart from power he has much to beat Cotto with . Williams has the style to give him hell but Paul can give anyone hell IMO

Whats happend to your sig with the pics of you ,Barrera and all them boxers ?

;D Come on guys for me P.Williams have nothing to get with Cotto because he is not the only taller boxer that Cotto fight go see the fight with Sparkman to see what happen. ;D I dont think that Cotto going have problem with P.W., Williams cant similate Cottos punches and everybody talk about Margarito even him . 8)

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I was going to say,Ono is just winding you guys up. I've been fooled by him before,never again I say! :D

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I still don't think they realise i am winding them up.

Not even the fishing picture gave it away......neither did my post explaining it was a wind up.

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CC El Gamo.....your very clever :P

I already knew it was a wind up thread *Experiment Time* sort of gave it away. I was just looking for a good debate but no one replied :(

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I already knew it was a wind up thread *Experiment Time* sort of gave it away. I was just looking for a good debate but no one replied :(

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awwwwwww

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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When did Paulie have him hurt? Also Demarcus Corley is the closest of anyone to actually hurting Mayweather. And that list includes Zab Judah who does hit hard, and while Cotto was surely stung he was still able to fight with a clear head and he dodged Judah's follow and was even countered back. As for Torres only fighting Columbians well he just TKO'ed Kendall Holt and he hits really hard which is the only problem he posed for Cotto. Cotto has been able to outtime the boxers and out land them on the outside, he has been able to outpunch the punchers despite not having the greatest chin, but guess what its getting better, there is no point where Mosley really stunned him, and besides Judah I would say Mosley is the biggest puncher he has faced and Oscar has been hurt worse by Mosley and Vargas who can take a decent shot also felt the power of Mosley's left hook, but Cotto really took it all night.

All that being said first and foremost I am a Mayweather fan, and he is ring generalship, defence, amazing speed and even better timing(almost a sixth sense), and his underrated power would beat Cotto or Williams or Margarito.

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Originally Posted by ono

After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.

On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?

Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.

De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.


Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.

Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.

All hype i tell ya ;)

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When did Paulie have him hurt? Also Demarcus Corley is the closest of anyone to actually hurting Mayweather. And that list includes Zab Judah who does hit hard, and while Cotto was surely stung he was still able to fight with a clear head and he dodged Judah's follow and was even countered back. As for Torres only fighting Columbians well he just TKO'ed Kendall Holt and he hits really hard which is the only problem he posed for Cotto. Cotto has been able to outtime the boxers and out land them on the outside, he has been able to outpunch the punchers despite not having the greatest chin, but guess what its getting better, there is no point where Mosley really stunned him, and besides Judah I would say Mosley is the biggest puncher he has faced and Oscar has been hurt worse by Mosley and Vargas who can take a decent shot also felt the power of Mosley's left hook, but Cotto really took it all night.

All that being said first and foremost I am a Mayweather fan, and he is ring generalship, defence, amazing speed and even better timing(almost a sixth sense), and his underrated power would beat Cotto or Williams or Margarito.

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Despite the post being a wind up (Experiment time) defo gave it away there are some good posts on here.

Cotto was weight drained at 140. At 147 he seems stronger and a lot more capable of talking shots. I would argue that Shane was the hardest puncher he has faced and he was not even wobbled although some say he was after some shot in the later rounds.

As for the Judah fight I thought Judah started strong but had the wind taken out of him by some dodgy low shots.

All in all Cotto is work in progress for me and will get better but I do not think he is over rated.

Also I do not believe somebody beating somebody else quicker or better than another fighter making them better. Styles make fights and there are all sorts of reasons why people beat other people quicker.

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I used to think that Cotto was over-rated, but now acknowledge that he's the real deal. It seems like he's making vast improvements every time he fights.

He does get hit a lot, but he doesn't seem to care anymore. Cotto was only okay at 140 because he seemed real chinny. I think the punches had a much bigger effect because he was weight drained. At 147 he's taken some massive shots from Judah and Mosley, but stood up to them pretty well. At 140, those same shots would have layed him out.

He can be outboxed, however. Which is why I think that Mayweather would earn a hard fought UD, because Mayweather isn't dumb enough to stand there and trade shots like Mosley and Cotto did. Perhaps Paul Williams could outbox him, as well.

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Miguel Cotto is a very good fighter and will destroy Alfonso Gomez.

I believe that Paul Williams is the best Welterweight in the World and hopefully in 2008 he'll get the chance to prove it instead of the others ignoring him or ducking him.

I’ve been a Cotto fan since day one.

I’ve followed that fool religiously…& let me say this one thing & you can all take it or leave it. The thing that was hurting Cotto the most during his “trial by fire” with Torres & Corley so to speak was his heart & his head.

Cotto didn’t have as much a problem with functioning at the weight as he did listening to HBO & the fans telling him that he was the next Trinidad. He side stepped his boxing abilities & started standing & trading foolishly in the pocket.

Watch those fights & watch Cotto when the crowd get’s wiley…he get’s stupid & he get’s clocked.

Cotto has made enough progress & enough adjustments to warrant a shot at Floyd…but I agree with Mick…anyone that believes Cotto is the foil to Floyd…they’re indeed delusional…or Danny G.

Heh heh heh.

Seriously though…if Cotto were to pick a smart time to go after Floyd…an advantageous time…he’d wait for Floyd’s self proposed layoff. Don’t go for Floyd now…while his confidence is sky rocket high after utterly & totally destroying Hatton…wait for the layoff…let him get soft & then go at him full throttle like you did against Mosley for the first half of the fight.