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If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
Which brings me to the following:
Watching Miranda knock out Banks last Friday, one has to wonder, if.... Miranda would ever like to try and redeem himself in a rematch against Pavlik. Miranda looked big against Banks and this just shows us how big both Miranda and Kelly are.
All speculations here because we have not seen what Pavlik or Jermain can do at this weight class. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but I have to wonder because a rematch (Pavlik/Miranda) of this magnitude, is mouth watering to say the least. ;D
This whole thing has to dove tail on what Wacko was saying about how great this 168 weight class is going to be this year. He might be onto something for shizz.
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And Wacko is 100% right...the 168lb division is red hot...maybe the best it ever has been as far as talent deep is concerned..it has always been the dead division with 1 or 2 stars in it....
Plenty of money to be made and plenty of big fights at 168...Pavlik should stay if he feels comfortable there
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Pavlik, like all fighters, is going to go where the money is. If 168 presents more chances for big fights than 160, then we could see him at 168 sooner rather than later.
That being said, I don't really care that much about a Pavlik-Miranda rematch. Pavlik kicked his ass the first time, and would do so again in a rematch. Miranda is a big puncher who can't do much else.
A fighter like Kessler would smoke Miranda. If Pavlik moves to 168, I want to see him fighting guys like Kessler instead of Miranda.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Pavlik, like all fighters, is going to go where the money is. If 168 presents more chances for big fights than 160, then we could see him at 168 sooner rather than later.
That being said, I don't really care that much about a Pavlik-Miranda rematch. Pavlik kicked his ass the first time, and would do so again in a rematch. Miranda is a big puncher who can't do much else.
A fighter like Kessler would smoke Miranda. If Pavlik moves to 168, I want to see him fighting guys like Kessler instead of Miranda.
I mostly agree, but will also say I will not write off Miranda against any fighter because he is tough as nails and he will land the right hand on them. On paper Kessler mops the floor with him, in reality though, it could go much differently.
Miranda is a wild card kinda fighter who could upset anyone on a given night. Expect to see many fighters out there avoid him just because.
It also would not surprise me to hear Pascal got "injured" in training for their fight.
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If Pavlik jumps to 168 it will be the best division in boxing (Better than 147), Miranda, Taylor, and maybe even Trinidad will all be at 168 along with the guns they already have there, then you add in the young talent on the way up (Greene, Pascal) and the division in loaded
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If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
Which brings me to the following:
Watching Miranda knock out Banks last Friday, one has to wonder, if.... Miranda would ever like to try and redeem himself in a rematch against Pavlik. Miranda looked big against Banks and this just shows us how big both Miranda and Kelly are.
All speculations here because we have not seen what Pavlik or Jermain can do at this weight class. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but I have to wonder because a rematch (Pavlik/Miranda) of this magnitude, is mouth watering to say the least. ;D
This whole thing has to dove tail on what Wacko was saying about how great this 168 weight class is going to be this year. He might be onto something for shizz.
Yes i think he should there isn't much for him at Middleweight, Sturm won't fight in the USA and neither will Abraham, Duddy isn't really a good match up, and Andy Lee is far too inexperienced. So moving to Super Middleweight would be a great choice, there is so many names for him there and can you imagine how good of a fight Kessler vs Pavlik would be ?? wow is all i can say.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Pavlik, like all fighters, is going to go where the money is. If 168 presents more chances for big fights than 160, then we could see him at 168 sooner rather than later.
That being said, I don't really care that much about a Pavlik-Miranda rematch. Pavlik kicked his a** the first time, and would do so again in a rematch. Miranda is a big puncher who can't do much else.
A fighter like Kessler would smoke Miranda. If Pavlik moves to 168, I want to see him fighting guys like Kessler instead of Miranda.
I agree about Miranda vs Pavlik 2 that is a bit of a waste of time at the moment, Miranda was very ineffective on the back foot and it would be a repeat of the 1st fight. Maybe if Miranda can beat a few of the top Super Middleweights then i wouldn't mind seeing it but at the moment im not interested in a rematch at all.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Pavlik, like all fighters, is going to go where the money is. If 168 presents more chances for big fights than 160, then we could see him at 168 sooner rather than later.
That being said, I don't really care that much about a Pavlik-Miranda rematch. Pavlik kicked his a** the first time, and would do so again in a rematch. Miranda is a big puncher who can't do much else.
A fighter like Kessler would smoke Miranda. If Pavlik moves to 168, I want to see him fighting guys like Kessler instead of Miranda.
I mostly agree, but will also say I will not write off Miranda against any fighter because he is tough as nails and he will land the right hand on them. On paper Kessler mops the floor with him, in reality though, it could go much differently.
Miranda is a wild card kinda fighter who could upset anyone on a given night. Expect to see many fighters out there avoid him just because.
It also would not surprise me to hear Pascal got "injured" in training for their fight.
I don't think it would Kessler has a great jab and good technical skills, Miranda can punch but he isn't a good boxer and he loops his punches plus he has a terrible defense. I could actually see it going similar to Andrade vs Kessler.
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Yes, there is basically nothing for him to do at 160 if Arbaham keeps hiding in Germany.....168 is deep and there are plenty of guys for him to fight one imparticular JOE CALZAGHE would make for a MEGAFIGHT
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No doubt Pavlik will stay at 160lbs for awhile no matter how he feels. He has a HUGE fight with Duddy coming up and than might lure Abraham over here. He can dominate the middleweight and make some good money there for another 1-2 years before he moves up.
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I agree. Make big money against Duddy, and maybe Abraham. Then move up.
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I certainly want to see him fight Abraham then move up win a title and take on Kessler!
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I agree. Make big money against Duddy, and maybe Abraham. Then move up.
I don't think Duddy or Abraham are big money fights for him, especially for what he'll be getting in Taylor 2. Abraham is unknown over here and Duddy is not really considered PPV material.
I don't think Money motivates Pavlik yet, which is a good thing. He is in it for the fighting and glory so far. He is the type that wants to be the best. He will fight Duddy if he gets past Taylor again as that was already in the making, but look for him to target other big names in 2008 and 2009. His Championship Level career will be short due to his give and take style, so look for him to try to make a big splash quickly against other big names. I bet a rematch with Miranda will happen if Miranda can grab a 168 lb belt.
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I certainly want to see him fight Abraham then move up win a title and take on Kessler!
Abraham won't come to the USA.
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Originally Posted by eagle
I agree. Make big money against Duddy, and maybe Abraham. Then move up.
I don't think Duddy or Abraham are big money fights for him, especially for what he'll be getting in Taylor 2. Abraham is unknown over here and Duddy is not really considered PPV material.
I don't think Money motivates Pavlik yet, which is a good thing. He is in it for the fighting and glory so far. He is the type that wants to be the best. He will fight Duddy if he gets past Taylor again as that was already in the making, but look for him to target other big names in 2008 and 2009. His Championship Level career will be short due to his give and take style, so look for him to try to make a big splash quickly against other big names. I bet a rematch with Miranda will happen if Miranda can grab a 168 lb belt.
Duddy is Irish though and those are the best fans in the world. This is a guy who is probably only barely in the top 10 at 160 and he's already fought half a dozen times at Madison Square Garden, and at least twice as the main event. :o
Irish fans are crazy for him and it would be an absolute sell out for sure. Don't know about PPV sales, it would probably just be on regular HBO but it wouldn't matter as Pavlik would make a bundle just from ticket sales alone.
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what aboutthis lucen bute guy? he looks like he could make some noise--how about bute-kessler
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he should fight abraham after he beats taylor then move up
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And Wacko is 100% right...the 168lb division is red hot...maybe the best it ever has been as far as talent deep is concerned..it has always been the dead division with 1 or 2 stars in it....
Plenty of money to be made and plenty of big fights at 168...Pavlik should stay if he feels comfortable there
What are you all talking about??? Pavlik is undefeated and just earned the MWT champ. No one at 160 will beat him, and to prove it, he has been knocking out people for 4 years straight. He needs to unify the division (Sturm, Abraham) and get his PPV on with Duddy before thinking of going anywhere...
Besides, it would do Pavlik better to let Calzaghe retire, because once that happens, Pavlik is guaranteed the crown at 168. Who can stop him? Allan Green? LOL! Miranda loses to Pavlik everytime, because he is just a better fighter with just as much power! I am much more interested in seeing Taylor v. Miranda at 168.
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I don't understand this thing with 168. Someone said it is a hotter division than welter??
Joe Calzaghe is leaving the division. Everyone on here seems to be saying that 168 will suddenly be the shit because it's got Kessler plus three guys moving up from middleweight? No one was shitting themselves about the MW division last year, when these same three guys were all there--at least no one was comparing it to WW. Kessler can't possibly be the difference maker--he's only slightly more intriguing than Abraham and Sturm. Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
Which brings me to the following:
Watching Miranda knock out Banks last Friday, one has to wonder, if.... Miranda would ever like to try and redeem himself in a rematch against Pavlik. Miranda looked big against Banks and this just shows us how big both Miranda and Kelly are.
All speculations here because we have not seen what Pavlik or Jermain can do at this weight class. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but I have to wonder because a rematch (Pavlik/Miranda) of this magnitude, is mouth watering to say the least. ;D
This whole thing has to dove tail on what Wacko was saying about how great this 168 weight class is going to be this year. He might be onto something for shizz.
:coolclick: Good post.
While I agree that 168 is making some waves...I want a definitive champ of the middleweight division & for all his flaws...I want that to be Pavlik.
Rematch Taylor & move back down...struggle or not with making weight...he could do it & he could cominate I think.
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Regardless of whether Pavlik wins or not I think he should try and get Abraham, who apparently wants to come over to the US to raise his exposure and then Sturm if he can. He should then make one or two defences against the likes Duddy and another leading contender, then move up. On the other hand he can try and build a middleweight legacy for himself. If he can make 160 then he could stay there moving up for the odd big money fight e.g. Calzaghe (if he stays at 168) or some of the other fighters there.
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
Which brings me to the following:
Watching Miranda knock out Banks last Friday, one has to wonder, if.... Miranda would ever like to try and redeem himself in a rematch against Pavlik. Miranda looked big against Banks and this just shows us how big both Miranda and Kelly are.
All speculations here because we have not seen what Pavlik or Jermain can do at this weight class. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but I have to wonder because a rematch (Pavlik/Miranda) of this magnitude, is mouth watering to say the least. ;D
This whole thing has to dove tail on what Wacko was saying about how great this 168 weight class is going to be this year. He might be onto something for shizz.
:coolclick: Good post.
While I agree that 168 is making some waves...I want a definitive champ of the middleweight division & for all his flaws...I want that to be Pavlik.
Rematch Taylor & move back down...struggle or not with making weight...he could do it & he could cominate I think.
I slightly disagree Wacko although i would love to see Pavlik dominate Middleweight division. Who is there really for him at that weight ?? Sturm won't come to USA, Abraham won't come to USA either, Lee is far too inexperienced, then that leaves Duddy which is a decent match up, but other than Duddy who else is there for Pavlik at Middleweight ?? because i very much doubt Sturm or Abraham will take the risk fighting Pavlik in the USA.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
Which brings me to the following:
Watching Miranda knock out Banks last Friday, one has to wonder, if.... Miranda would ever like to try and redeem himself in a rematch against Pavlik. Miranda looked big against Banks and this just shows us how big both Miranda and Kelly are.
All speculations here because we have not seen what Pavlik or Jermain can do at this weight class. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but I have to wonder because a rematch (Pavlik/Miranda) of this magnitude, is mouth watering to say the least. ;D
This whole thing has to dove tail on what Wacko was saying about how great this 168 weight class is going to be this year. He might be onto something for shizz.
:coolclick: Good post.
While I agree that 168 is making some waves...I want a definitive champ of the middleweight division & for all his flaws...I want that to be Pavlik.
Rematch Taylor & move back down...struggle or not with making weight...he could do it & he could cominate I think.
I slightly disagree Wacko although i would love to see Pavlik dominate Middleweight division. Who is there really for him at that weight ?? Sturm won't come to USA, Abraham won't come to USA either, Lee is far too inexperienced, then that leaves Duddy which is a decent match up, but other than Duddy who else is there for Pavlik at Middleweight ?? because i very much doubt Sturm or Abraham will take the risk fighting Pavlik in the USA.
Winky could still make 160, that'd be a money making matchup for Kelly. Fight Winky and Duddy then move up.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto
If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
Which brings me to the following:
Watching Miranda knock out Banks last Friday, one has to wonder, if.... Miranda would ever like to try and redeem himself in a rematch against Pavlik. Miranda looked big against Banks and this just shows us how big both Miranda and Kelly are.
All speculations here because we have not seen what Pavlik or Jermain can do at this weight class. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but I have to wonder because a rematch (Pavlik/Miranda) of this magnitude, is mouth watering to say the least. ;D
This whole thing has to dove tail on what Wacko was saying about how great this 168 weight class is going to be this year. He might be onto something for shizz.
:coolclick: Good post.
While I agree that 168 is making some waves...I want a definitive champ of the middleweight division & for all his flaws...I want that to be Pavlik.
Rematch Taylor & move back down...struggle or not with making weight...he could do it & he could cominate I think.
I slightly disagree Wacko although i would love to see Pavlik dominate Middleweight division. Who is there really for him at that weight ?? Sturm won't come to USA, Abraham won't come to USA either, Lee is far too inexperienced, then that leaves Duddy which is a decent match up, but other than Duddy who else is there for Pavlik at Middleweight ?? because i very much doubt Sturm or Abraham will take the risk fighting Pavlik in the USA.
Winky could still make 160, that'd be a money making matchup for Kelly. Fight Winky and Duddy then move up.
Thats if Winky can get back down to 160 and plus i haven't heard anything from Winky since the Hopkins fight. Maybe he is considering retirement ??
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If Pavlik feels comfortable at 168? Will he or should he stay at 168?
Which brings me to the following:
Watching Miranda knock out Banks last Friday, one has to wonder, if.... Miranda would ever like to try and redeem himself in a rematch against Pavlik. Miranda looked big against Banks and this just shows us how big both Miranda and Kelly are.
All speculations here because we have not seen what Pavlik or Jermain can do at this weight class. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but I have to wonder because a rematch (Pavlik/Miranda) of this magnitude, is mouth watering to say the least. ;D
This whole thing has to dove tail on what Wacko was saying about how great this 168 weight class is going to be this year. He might be onto something for shizz.
:coolclick: Good post.
While I agree that 168 is making some waves...I want a definitive champ of the middleweight division & for all his flaws...I want that to be Pavlik.
Rematch Taylor & move back down...struggle or not with making weight...he could do it & he could cominate I think.
I slightly disagree Wacko although i would love to see Pavlik dominate Middleweight division. Who is there really for him at that weight ?? Sturm won't come to USA, Abraham won't come to USA either, Lee is far too inexperienced, then that leaves Duddy which is a decent match up, but other than Duddy who else is there for Pavlik at Middleweight ?? because i very much doubt Sturm or Abraham will take the risk fighting Pavlik in the USA.
Winky could still make 160, that'd be a money making matchup for Kelly. Fight Winky and Duddy then move up.
Thats if Winky can get back down to 160 and plus i haven't heard anything from Winky since the Hopkins fight. Maybe he is considering retirement ??
Thats right, if Winky can come down. I think Kelly should stay at 160 for a while yet.
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I'm sure Winky can come down. And he has skills and style that can last him in his old years.
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Taylor will will win this fight. Taylor then will stay at 168. Maybe a Lacy or Kessler fight would be a good fight at this weight to start out with..
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I'd really like to see Taylor finnish Antonio Tarver's career though. This is because when i was at hopkins taylor 1 i heard tarver mouthing about how Taylor dont got nothin and what hed do to hopkins. It'd be nice to see him get his butt handed to him by both of them.
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I believe his power would be just as dominate in 168 as it is in 160 or any weight class he decides to end his career at. I feel he could be just as a dominate force as a fighter at that weight and capture championships. I feel that he could take care of Kessler and Calzaghe and he has already beat the next title holder at 168 in Jermaine Taylor. Who cant this guy knock out? He has knocked out anything put in front of him.
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Pavlik is the MAN. JT gets KO again.
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Something tells me Pavlik may have a tougher time with JT this fight.....
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I think Jermain's switch in trainers might make him feel more relaxed and from my view he needs that more than anything.
Both these fighters know they can hurt each other and I think Jermain will start out trying to press the fight to Kelly which isn't a dumb idea but he needs to stick and move later on in the fight
