Roy won, So damn what!!!

Look this fight was two hasbeens that were past there primes!!!!!!!!!!! joe would kick that ASS!!!!

Joe may get his chance against RJJ if he beats BHOP.

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Joe has never fought anyone with Roy's speed, talent and accuracy. Be careful what you wish for!

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Joe has never fought anyone with Roy's speed, talent and accuracy. Be careful what you wish for!

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Give me a break mate, Joe would pepper him with shots for the full 12

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Joe has never fought anyone with Roy's speed, talent and accuracy. Be careful what you wish for!

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Give me a break mate, Joe would pepper him with shots for the full 12

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Your right, and he might actually land a couple.........

Jones has not faced some one like Joe, and thats a fact!!

RJJ has faced more quality opponents than Joe.

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And vice a versa FACT, its obvious your a troll these two old *hasbeen's* as you put it just fought a damn good fight so why do you have to make hate threads and try and put Jones down.

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Give me a break mate, Joe would pepper him with shots for the full 12

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Oh Joe can win it, but remember, Roy will also hit him at will, with punches Joe will not even see coming. Joe is not unbeatable and like i said in an earlier post, he has never fought anyone like Roy.

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he faced James Toney and Hopkins, and I would rate Toney higher than Calzaghe on my 168 all time ladder, not because of what he accomplished at the weight, but because he was better. I guarantee that prime Toney ko's Calzaghe, Calzaghe isn't fast enough or hits hard enough to overwhelm Toney. Michael Nunn was faster than Calzaghe, in great shape, better skills, and he was countered all night by Toney, and after that he fell apart, but the point is that Roy has foughten two guys who at their prime were better than Calzaghe. Calzaghe has only foughten Kessler who is a great fighter, but not an ATG fighter. The only reason IMO Calzaghe would beat Roy is because Roy can't keep up with him in terms of the pace of the fight. Calzaghe is to relentless and he still can maintain that fast pace for every minute of every round. There would be a few pounds where Roy's superior speed and skill would shine through, but mostly it would be Calzaghe outworking him, much like Calzaghe outworked Kessler, but moreso.

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he faced James Toney and Hopkins, and I would rate Toney higher than Calzaghe on my 168 all time ladder, not because of what he accomplished at the weight, but because he was better. I guarantee that prime Toney ko's Calzaghe, Calzaghe isn't fast enough or hits hard enough to overwhelm Toney. Michael Nunn was faster than Calzaghe, in great shape, better skills, and he was countered all night by Toney, and after that he fell apart, but the point is that Roy has foughten two guys who at their prime were better than Calzaghe. Calzaghe has only foughten Kessler who is a great fighter, but not an ATG fighter. The only reason IMO Calzaghe would beat Roy is because Roy can't keep up with him in terms of the pace of the fight. Calzaghe is to relentless and he still can maintain that fast pace for every minute of every round. There would be a few pounds where Roy's superior speed and skill would shine through, but mostly it would be Calzaghe outworking him, much like Calzaghe outworked Kessler, but moreso.

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I see what you are saying and mostly agree. Remember though that Jones is a countering master, and with his speed, Joe may not want to go in there throwing non stop. Roy is not what he used to be and his reflexes are not the same, but he still has the ability to throw Joe off his non stop throwing game plan. It is an interesting fight for sure.

It is a fact, Roy had the chance years ago to fight joe. And he did not want to do it and that is a fact. He could have been in many great fights and backed out!!! And thats a fact!!!

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Years ago Joe was a high risk opponent, with no name in North America who wanted everyone to come to his turf. That is also a fact!

Joe has also backed out of many great fights simply for his stubborn refusal to fight anywhere else.

looks like the kessler fans have now become the calzaghe fans ;)

Look the fact is Roy made his name by fighting lesser fighters! sorry my spelling sucks!

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So did Calzaghe

A past it eubank

And overhyped lacy

only threat name on his resume you could say is Kessler.


But Roy has beaten Hopkins and James toney in their primes thats two future hall of famers that went on to make great legacies .

Same cannot be said for Calzaghe ;)


But I'd be back and forth all night with you.

I was disapointed that Roy did not win by KO. But otherwise he put on a pretty good show. Tell ya one thing though and I'm a diehard Roy Jones Jr. fan -HE BETTER NOT FIGHT LIKE THAT AGAINST JOE CALZAGHE OR HE WILL LOSE DAMN NEAR EVERY SINGLE ROUND.

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I was disapointed that Roy did not win by KO. But otherwise he put on a pretty good show. Tell ya one thing though and I'm a diehard Roy Jones Jr. fan -HE BETTER NOT FIGHT LIKE THAT AGAINST JOE CALZAGHE OR HE WILL LOSE DAMN NEAR EVERY SINGLE ROUND.

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I doubt he would. Joe is a southpaw and has a completely different style.

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Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

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I was disapointed that Roy did not win by KO. But otherwise he put on a pretty good show. Tell ya one thing though and I'm a diehard Roy Jones Jr. fan -HE BETTER NOT FIGHT LIKE THAT AGAINST JOE CALZAGHE OR HE WILL LOSE DAMN NEAR EVERY SINGLE ROUND.

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I doubt he would. Joe is a southpaw and has a completely different style.

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I would certainly hope not. Cus he needs to THROW MORE PUNCHES! That's my main concern. Everything else looked alright IMO.

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No...but it sounds like he's been dropped on the head of Joe and liked it :P


just foolin

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Jorge Fernando Castro
Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson
Felix Trinidad ;)

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Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Chris Eubank

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Jorge Fernando Castro
Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson

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Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Chris Eubank

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CC, nough said there.. However, I'd like to think any boxing fan with a head on their shoulders would know that should Jones and Calzaghe fight now, their resume's won't have anything to do with what happens on fight night. Jones Jr has beaten guys better than Calzaghe, but it's questionable what he has left(I didn't see him fight tonight, so can't speak on his current condition). Calzaghe has never fought anyone like, or as good as Jones, however he is better than his opposition would imply, and has proven that.

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Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
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Virgil Hill
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson

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Jeff Lacy
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CC, nough said there.. However, I'd like to think any boxing fan with a head on their shoulders would know that should Jones and Calzaghe fight now, their resume's won't have anything to do with what happens on fight night. Jones Jr has beaten guys better than Calzaghe, but it's questionable what he has left(I didn't see him fight tonight, so can't speak on his current condition). Calzaghe has never fought anyone like, or as good as Jones, however he is better than his opposition would imply, and has proven that.

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CC back, I totally agree. I just think it is a very interesting match up. A better match up than Joe vs. Bernard IMO

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:lol: Flush em before he climbs out of the Bowl.

Its useless, at this point in time Joe beats Roy because Roy can't fight 3 minutes of every round. While back in the day Clazaghe would have never beaten Roy because you can't beat somebody better htan you in everything.

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Clinton Woods
Reggie Johnson

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CC, nough said there.. However, I'd like to think any boxing fan with a head on their shoulders would know that should Jones and Calzaghe fight now, their resume's won't have anything to do with what happens on fight night. Jones Jr has beaten guys better than Calzaghe, but it's questionable what he has left(I didn't see him fight tonight, so can't speak on his current condition). Calzaghe has never fought anyone like, or as good as Jones, however he is better than his opposition would imply, and has proven that.

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Its useless, at this point in time Joe beats Roy because Roy can't fight 3 minutes of every round. While back in the day Clazaghe would have never beaten Roy because you can't beat somebody better htan you in everything.

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I don't believe there's any question that Roy would have beaten Calzaghe 5 years ago. Anyone who says otherwise is completely blind and riding Calzaghe's nuts HARD. It wouldn't have even been cllose if were talking a prime Roy Jones. Not only in terms of the difference in talent, but Roy had the right style to completely embaress Joe. He'd potshot him al night, until he hurt him and jumped on him.. BUT, I think the fact that he has faded so much is what makes it interesting. It leaves the question of whetherre he can muster up enough in one training camp to actually beat JOe. I didn't see him fight tonight(PPV didn't carry it, fukin joke) but I need to in order to realistically asses his chances vs Calzaghe.

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he faced James Toney and Hopkins, and I would rate Toney higher than Calzaghe on my 168 all time ladder, not because of what he accomplished at the weight, but because he was better. I guarantee that prime Toney ko's Calzaghe, Calzaghe isn't fast enough or hits hard enough to overwhelm Toney. Michael Nunn was faster than Calzaghe, in great shape, better skills, and he was countered all night by Toney, and after that he fell apart, but the point is that Roy has foughten two guys who at their prime were better than Calzaghe. Calzaghe has only foughten Kessler who is a great fighter, but not an ATG fighter. The only reason IMO Calzaghe would beat Roy is because Roy can't keep up with him in terms of the pace of the fight. Calzaghe is to relentless and he still can maintain that fast pace for every minute of every round. There would be a few pounds where Roy's superior speed and skill would shine through, but mostly it would be Calzaghe outworking him, much like Calzaghe outworked Kessler, but moreso.

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I'm not sure you guarantee it

Jones Calzaghe would be a really interesting fight for a few reasons, Tarver and Johnson proved that Jones' chin is shot to pieces. but Calzaghe hasnt got that sort of shot so his chin wouldnt really be tested. Calzaghe' strengths are his speed and his ability to beat his opponents to the jab aswell as outworking his opponent for the full twelve rounds. Jones proved last night his still possesses phenomonal hand speed and is probably still the fastest fighter around bar mayweather. Hes also the naturally bigger man, however Kessler is naturally bigger and Joe still bullied him around the ring and hurt him badly with a body blow. Im a Calzaghe fan so im going to go for Jc by UD but i also love Jones jr and would not be the least bit suprised if turned it on 1 more time.

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It is a fact, Roy had the chance years ago to fight joe. And he did not want to do it and that is a fact. He could have been in many great fights and backed out!!! And thats a fact!!!

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Years ago Joe was a high risk opponent, with no name in North America who wanted everyone to come to his turf. That is also a fact!

Joe has also backed out of many great fights simply for his stubborn refusal to fight anywhere else.

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at the risk of soundind 6 yeears old.....PROVE IT

It makes you wonder why neither Jones nor Calzaghe wanted to use their passports or board a large noisy thing called an aeroplane & fight each other in the 1990's or early this decade, when they were still able to fight? :-\

All this talk about them fighting now is a total farce & it's just taking the fans for mugs! :action: :deadnew:

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It makes you wonder why neither Jones nor Calzaghe wanted to used their passports or board a large noisy thing called an aeroplane & fight each other in the 1990's or early this decade, when they were still able to fight? :-\

All this talk about them fighting now is a total farce & it's just taking the fans for mugs! :action: :deadnew:

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It virtually could have never happened Jones moved up to Light Heavyweight in 1996, before Calzaghe was even World Champion. And even Calzaghe won the title in 1997 he was still unknown outside UK. Jones was P4P 1 and looking at it from his point of view. He would have to move down a weight class and fight over in the UK against an opponent who was high risk/low reward the fact is Calzaghe wasn't a name outside the UK so there was no need for Jones to fight him in the 90s, plus they were always at different weight classes.

I think you all suck Jones Jr's cock waaaaaay to much. Always with the same S*** aswell.

Roy Jones admitted a week or two ago he ducked Calzaghe. I cant beleive you give someone so much praise when with the clear talent Jones Jr had he should have been pushing to fight the best in each division and Unify them aswell. Yet even though he ducked Bhop who peaked after his loss to jones, he ducked Joe because he was "to dangerous". And he wouldn't leave his "comfort zone" he still gets this praise from you.

You call the Calzaghe fans Biased but really some of you Jones fans wanna take a good hard look at some of things you post.

Now i know Roy Jones was warm as toast in his day but lets be real.....you sounds like pac man fans some of you.

Just after that little rant i would add i think Roy would probably have beaten just about anyone you put in front him.But not like some sort of Mike tyson Ali Joe frazier cross breed monster.

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I think you all suck Jones Jr's cock waaaaaay to much. Always with the same S*** aswell.

Roy Jones admitted a week or two ago he ducked Calzaghe. I cant beleive you give someone so much praise when with the clear talent Jones Jr had he should have been pushing to fight the best in each division and Unify them aswell. Yet even though he ducked Bhop who peaked after his loss to jones, he ducked Joe because he was "to dangerous". And he wouldn't leave his "comfort zone" he still gets this praise from you.

You call the Calzaghe fans Biased but really some of you Jones fans wanna take a good hard look at some of things you post.

Now i know Roy Jones was warm as toast in his day but lets be real.....you sounds like pac man fans some of you.

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Did you just read my post ?? the only way this fight could have happened is if Calzaghe moved up a weight class and went to USA, or Jones moved down a weight class and went to the UK. Both things i just mentioned virtually had no chance in hell of happening.

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I think you all suck Jones Jr's cock waaaaaay to much. Always with the same S*** aswell.

Roy Jones admitted a week or two ago he ducked Calzaghe. I cant beleive you give someone so much praise when with the clear talent Jones Jr had he should have been pushing to fight the best in each division and Unify them aswell. Yet even though he ducked Bhop who peaked after his loss to jones, he ducked Joe because he was "to dangerous". And he wouldn't leave his "comfort zone" he still gets this praise from you.

You call the Calzaghe fans Biased but really some of you Jones fans wanna take a good hard look at some of things you post.

Now i know Roy Jones was warm as toast in his day but lets be real.....you sounds like pac man fans some of you.

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Did you just read my post ?? the only way this fight could have happened is if Calzaghe moved up a weight class and went to USA, or Jones moved down a weight class and went to the UK. Both things i just mentioned virtually had no chance in hell of happening.

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I didn't no ICB I only read the first page.Good point though.

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It makes you wonder why neither Jones nor Calzaghe wanted to used their passports or board a large noisy thing called an aeroplane & fight each other in the 1990's or early this decade, when they were still able to fight? :-\

All this talk about them fighting now is a total farce & it's just taking the fans for mugs! :action: :deadnew:

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It virtually could have never happened Jones moved up to Light Heavyweight in 1996, before Calzaghe was even World Champion. And even Calzaghe won the title in 1997 he was still unknown outside UK. Jones was P4P 1 and looking at it from his point of view. He would have to move down a weight class and fight over in the UK against an opponent who was high risk/low reward the fact is Calzaghe wasn't a name outside the UK so there was no need for Jones to fight him in the 90s, plus they were always at different weight classes.

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Good points.

You're right in what you say.

I'm just wound up about the 2 of them talking about fighting each other now.

It just seems like they want to swell their pensions at the expense of boxing fans.

I watched this fight on sopcast, the stream was not that great and I had to watch the first 4 rds on the MMA channel with the HBO announcers (Steward, Kellerman , Ledderman) then the station went off line so I found another station carrying the fight with korean announcers, I watched the last 8 rds there. I admit the streams were not the greatest as far as the picture quality but I didn't see Roy dominate anything. Without the two knockdowns I thought he was losing the fight up to that point, after the 7th rd I had it dead even at 66 pts each, I think he just did to much postering and not enough punching, he took a lot of body shots which score points also.

from what I could see the 10th rd knockdown came from a jab and just a grazing right, I couldn't score a winner of rd 11 so I called that rd even and the fight scored at 104 pts each without any announcers telling me Roy was dominating.

Next week when I see the fight on HBO with good picture quality maybe I'll see it different. At this time I didn't see a lopsided fight as the judges scored it. As far as Roy beating Joe C at this time in his career, I say no way could he win. I always considered Roy as a great fighter and one of my favorites and I picked him to win by decision, but he's not great anymore. I'll see if my opinion changes after I see it with a good quality picture with the sound turned down.

He fought a guy who hadnt fought in 3 years,and wasnt succesful at middleweight,and still had to wear him down rather then beat him outright at roughly supper middle
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