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Except when he taunted Tito a few times he held his guard up very well. Im glad he realized he isn't in his 20s anymore, plus he actually used the jab more than we normally see, im glad Jones is learning more boxing basics now, forget Hopkins and Calzaghe i want him to revenge those losses to Johnson and Tarver >:mad
Excellent point. He should avenge the losses to Johnson and Tarver and close the book on his career.
His defence was excellent last night and not in the usual 'roy jones' slipping and sliding kind of way but in a boxing basics kind of way. Tito could never get through. Still showed flashes of the old Jones as well. I'm not sure what to make of his victory though..although he showed improvement it was against Tito, who I'm sorry, but is as one dimensional as they come. Always has been.
Good idea's about him avenging the losses to tarver and johnson..I'm not sure he'd be able to hang with Joe Calzaghe and I wouldn't want Joe to have the pleasure of Roys name on his CV.
Ahhh... but that "one dimension" has sure served him well throughout his HOF career, now hasn't it....
;)
Sure has up until he has fought elite names like Oscar, Bhop, Winky, Jones..even Vargas to an extent made him look one dimensional
Oscar ran like a deer after feeling a punch from that "one dimension", and Vargas? Please... don't even go there. Vargas was ruined by Trinidad, and Oscar benefited from this fact a couple of years later. So let's just shorten your list to B-Hop, Winky and Jones. ok?
Oscar beat him too.
deal with it :lickish:
Not according to the judges in Las Vegas.
;)
You're just sore 'cause it was the first "L" on the Golden Boy's record.
One thing I did not like about Roy is he argued with his corner man between rounds...his corner told him he needed to circle to the right because he was getting caught with shots...he argued and said he wasn't ???...I could see exactly what they were speaking of but Roy felt they were wrong.....
Also IMO Roy started to get a bit too cockey....OK Tito was not hurting him granted but Tito was catching him good early on and he could have pulled out a nice power shot and Roy would have ate it...maybe not been put down but all the same why take the chance?...because in other fights when he is not getting caught hard he will do it again...thats how he got KO'd by Johnson...being arrogant....
He did a good job with keeping his hands up last night but...I still see those little bad habits he can no longer afford to make due to the fact he is no longer young and has that natural ability to move out of the way quick enough
Who moved undefeated to 154 and challenged (and by the way destroyed) David Reid?? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
I've never even considered Jones fighting Tarver on Johnson again but they make perfect sense no that I have.
Whoever thought Oscar didn't beat Trinidad neat to get checked up... Trinidad was landing hardly anything against Oscar who wasn't really running at all... until the last 3 rounds. Apparently using footwork is running then Bernard, one of the toughest guys of the last 20 years, has been running for a good 6 years.
Jones put on a great fight. He did what he had to do to win and he did it well. He showed good defense and still had the speed! The only thing that i didn't like about Jones was the Showboating. I think a fighter of that level fighting another fighter of that level (really any fighter regardless of status) should definitely show respect. You may be superior in any and every way but your opponent is there just like you trying to win. Other than that Jones should try to avenge his loses for sure. Great job Jones!
Oh but that, sweeping feet and dancing strut he did after round 6 was soooo sweet. it cracked me up big time. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Tha_Man
Please dont encourage him with a 4th Tarver fight :P. Johnson I could stomach but I dont think Jones would want those fights at all,Risk/reward ratio way off Imo.He wants and now believes he has earned ??? a direct line to the top with Calzaghe and Hopkins.At this point why go backwards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw
With respect to a great warrior in Trinidad,I think Jones is kidding himself if he believes a sustained drubbing over a natural welter who had gone 2-2 in 6 + years indicates he has been reborn and could duplicate it with Calzaghe,Hopkins,or even Johnson and cough....cough Tarver.Imo Jones wanted to prove something to himself ,that he still had it and could adjust with his new reality of age and vulnerability's.He seemingly rebounded nicely,put on some aggression,mixed in some old school razzle dazzle and dictated.Well done and a nice step but he is will not be what he once was Imo,none of us are......ecspecially in the buisness of fist-to-cuffs
I think he and a few of us should step back & take a deep breath before we dust off the P4P talk.
Felix Trinidad,thanks for the memories and great career.Always an honest fighter who brought it in some good firefights,climd off the canvas and did his best to deposit his opponents there.Yeh,Cocky as hell sometimes.....most of the time but gave everything and wore his heart on his sleeve.Much respect!
NEVER !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli Surfs 'Nawlins
I do really think that Jones could have done more but didn't, maybe and arrangement between Jones and King not to damage Tito plus the winner of B-Hop and JC thinking "If Tito could have done this and that imagine me" kind of thinking against Jones. So I know it's just me but I want to the them fight Jones.
I think Jones should fight Calzaghe vs Hopkins winner ive been saying for ages i think even this old Jones would beat Calzaghe.
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Originally Posted by Puya
Agreement with King not to damage Trinidad too much???...That is silly talk...
Fact is Jones could not go all out for the whole 3 min of any round...or...Jones was afraid to try a pace to fast?...or...he was happy just knowing he was doing enough to win the rounds...not the first time in Jones career he has been guilty of that...just now he does not have the explosive sneaky shots to make a KO out of it
No way this version of Jones beats Calzaghe...He can not keep up with Joe...he would be competitive at times and have his moments but in the end he is out worked...Quote:
Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
I know the agreement thing is nonsesnt I'm just messin but I felt the Roy could have done much more but he didn't
Jones looked OK. His hand speed is still great, but his reflexes aren't what they used to be and a game fighter with Power should KO him. He was very cautious and let Tito outwork him for a few rounds. If he does this against a very active and younger fighter he will lose. Tito looked God awful. He looked fat and out of shape. He had man boobs and looked like he could easily cut 15 pounds and fight at 154 where who knows how he'd look.
Not a very exciting fight and Roy was too cautious, he should've gone for the knockout as it was obvious an out of shape Tito wasn't going to be able to hurt him. I don 't think Jones should fight again.
No how about we keep Oscar and Vargas in that list? Oscar can stay because he ran thinking he had the fight in the bag, not because he 'felt a punch from Tito'. Oscar made Tito look awful for most of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Vargas can stay because he was like 20 years old when he fought Trinidad. Trinidad won the first round 10-6 which should mean you have the fight in the bag against an unexperienced 20 year old. However Vargas practically had the fight level at the half way point because Trinidad couldn't deal with him when he started to box. Vargas stays.
I was "impressed" with both.
For a couple of fossils they put on a decent fight.
Tito didn't look ridiculous at the weight (although totally ineffective) and Roy looked, at times, like a fighter that wasn't totally gone and could possibly still have chances in a "meaningful" fight.
Both guys gave a very good account of themselves imo. Jones made some adjustments and was able to do some of the things he did in his prime. He did miss a lot when he put his punches together though, but that is also a credit to Titos defence, which wasnt bad for the most part. His combinations were fast and accurate too, but roy was able to block a lot of punches because of his adjusted defence. Still, I think both guys should retire but I doubt either will.
Why should Roy fight Tarver? He should fight conqueror of Tarver in Hopkins, beause Hopkins beat Tarver there is no use in Jones beating him because Tarver is old news. Glen Johnson is the wrong type of fighter for roy to fight at this point because he doesn't have the legs to keep pressure fighters off him and an elite pressure fighter will eat him up.
This isn't true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I scored the fight a draw, and I value slick finesse boxing and defense as much as anyone on this entire board.
Don't know about that Daxx. RJJ has always run his corner himself. That's his thing with his trainer. My memory of that was he questioned what he was told then asked a question about what Tito was doing and said no he's doing (whatever he said - can't remember) his trainer said "ok as long as that happens and you do it" and when he got back from the end of the round it was all smiles because it went just as RJJ said. His trainer acknowledged it with him during the next break. Also i thought he kept his hands where they needed to be for this fight. His right was on his chin the whole fight keeping that big left hook from tito at bay. As far as whether his left being down is an issue in other fights we'll just have to see. He had both hands up a lot more in this fight than in earlier fights of his and i think against a guy with a big right he would also have his left nice and tight, but i guess we'll have to see if that happens or not. But what you said about RJJ realising he's not 20 anymore makes me think he will in future fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
It's my view that Roy did box relatively well. His hands up defence worked very well (he could have used it against Johnson and Tarver) and his jab was improved from what I've seen before. Even more pleasing was the fact that he wanted to box textbook. I f you listen to the conversation in the corner between two and three The trainers say "Ok If you want to box it's your show."
However I did find a number of flaws with the Jones that showed up at the weekend. In the early going he did little and absorbed a number of shots from Trinidad. Now that was well and good versus the faded Trinidad, however put in there with a fresher younger guy his own size, where he would be forced to avoid those early shots and fight for twelve rounds, can he do it? I really think not.
Despite what many say, I enjoyed the fight. I think Tito displayed a big heart and a little development in his boxing since the Wright fight, albeit accompanied by a considerable amount of ring rust.
A good fight and what should rightly be a decent send off for both fighters.
cc donny good points. I think he was trying to use a combination of the Winky defence to deflect Titos punches, and his own head movement that he used so much in his prime. Jones definately did his homework and studied tapes of Trinidads two losses. I was surprised and have to admit, Jones is the fastest 39 year old fighter ive ever seen. But like you said he he stood right in front of Titio too much and let him throw punches at his body then upstairs even though most of them didnt land flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
CC returned Boom Boom, I too watched him and drew comparisons with Winky. One can't but be impressed with a man who stands in front of Felix Trinidad and doesn't get staggered.