Roy Jones Jr vs Joe Calzaghe How Competitive Would It Be ??

I think Jones would do better against Calzaghe than most people think, Jones has a very good straight right hand. Which is a very good punch against a southpaw plus Calzaghe does get caught by that punch an awful lot. Jones still has quicker hands than Calzaghe plus Calzaghe has never dealt with anyone in Jones class. I also don't think Calzaghe will just be able to simply outwork Jones and win UD like most people expect. Jones is very smart fighter and he won't allow Calzaghe to get off that many punches, Jones can stop Calzaghe's work rate with his blinding hand speed and he can make Calzaghe more cautious by landing those fast crisp punches. On the downside for Jones he hasn't KO anyone in a long time but IMO he still has good power.

Whats your thoughts ??

I don't think Jones has "blinding" handspeed anymore. He has very good handspeed, or well above-average handspeed, but I don't think his speed is blinding anymore. He can land punches, but he can't leap in and land punches that his opponents never see, like he used to.

MY thoughts ? Pretty much the same as yours.
I think Jones proved that although he cant go as hard or for as long (God knows why anyone would expect that) he can control a fight with slight shifts and exceptional leg work so nothing clean can land on him. He knows the game instinctivly so he wont get caught comming forwards cause he wont go there unless he is on the attack and he doesnt just go on the attack just for sake of it, its always a timed move on what the opponent has just done.

Ok I am not nearly as knowledgeabe as some of you guys on here nor do I post nearly as much, but wtf, jones wins against tito as most of us expected him to do, in less spectacular fashion than many of us thought, and he's back to being able to give calzaghe an even fight. Sorry roy isn't giving cal a hard fight these days anymore, years ago completely different story, but roy just because he won against tito is not magically back to being old roy. I'm not saying cal would win a shutout but it wouldn't be one of his hardest fights either.

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Ok I am not nearly as knowledgeabe as some of you guys on here nor do I post nearly as much, but wtf, jones wins against tito as most of us expected him to do, in less spectacular fashion than many of us thought, and he's back to being able to give calzaghe an even fight. Sorry roy isn't giving cal a hard fight these days anymore, years ago completely different story, but roy just because he won against tito is not magically back to being old roy. I'm not saying cal would win a shutout but it wouldn't be one of his hardest fights either.

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I disagree both Tito and Jones performed much better than people expected. Jones showed much more offensive skills in this fight, he showed good defense, and he showed he still has some of the quickest hands P4P.

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Ok I am not nearly as knowledgeabe as some of you guys on here nor do I post nearly as much, but wtf, jones wins against tito as most of us expected him to do, in less spectacular fashion than many of us thought, and he's back to being able to give calzaghe an even fight. Sorry roy isn't giving cal a hard fight these days anymore, years ago completely different story, but roy just because he won against tito is not magically back to being old roy. I'm not saying cal would win a shutout but it wouldn't be one of his hardest fights either.

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Oh well some of us think that skill beats fitness or toughness at any time.

Reminds me of why we thought HAtton would lose and did.

im british and am a huge fan of calzaghi, but like with all british fighter they fail at the last hurdle when they face true world class oppisition.

hamed v barrera
hatton v mayweather
cooper v ali
bruno v tyson
that guy v jones jnr
and list goes on

even at the late stages of hopkins and jones careers i think its possible they could beat him, a few years ago they would have wiped the floor with him, just my honest thoughts.

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Originally Posted by MIKAY

im british and am a huge fan of calzaghi, but like with all british fighter they fail at the last hurdle when they face true world class oppisition.

hamed v barrera
hatton v mayweather
cooper v ali
bruno v tyson
that guy v jones jnr
and list goes on

even at the late stages of hopkins and jones careers i think its possible they could beat him, a few years ago they would have wiped the floor with him, just my honest thoughts.

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But to be fair to Calzaghe, his situation is different than those UK guys you listed.

Frank Bruno was a stiff, Cooper wasn't a top heavyweight either.

Calzaghe is better than Hamed, and he's much more skilled than Hatton. 39 or 40 year old Roy Jones will also not be as tough of an opponent as prime Barrera or prime Mayweather.

i think jones would calzaghe alot of trouble even at this stage.

I agree with you on many of your points ICB..

I think the question is really if Jones or even Hopkins will be able to keep up with Calzaghe if it gets into the later rounds..

Hopkins sits back and sits back and sits back.. etc.. It will be interesting to see him at a higher pace for most, if not all of the fight.

With Jones, I think that he will be fighting too high of a pace and would REALLY have to land some hard shots to stop Calzaghe's pressure early to get into control of the fight. If that happens, which it 100% definitely has the possibility, i think Jones would have a very good chance of defeating Calzaghe.. Roy would have to train exceptionally hard, and really wouldn't be able to sit back for 4 rounds like he did against Tito.

Roy was sharp and fast and his jab was snappy and hard. He seemed to show bursts of his old self but in a smart, less energy spending way. Joe would make him fight at a pace he most probably would struggle with in the later rounds. If he didn't try and match Joe's workrate he would surely lose anyway.

I like Jones new style of keeping his hands up and moving forward. Jones seems to know how to save and perserve himself at this stage. I think the tarver third fight and even the glen johnson fight showed him he cant do it like he used to. I really like this new style he's been showing lately. Much better for someone at his age to use what he still has effectively.

Roy seemed to have that fire in his eyes last night. I think he is hungry again and wants to prove something.

I will not doubt him. I think he has another big win or two in him before he is done, and it could come against anyone.

Roy is a master of controlling the pace of fights. I don't think Calzaghe's punch output will be a determining factor. Joe is used to getting away with with anything he wants because he is fighting much slower guys than him, and most cannot hit him hardly at all.

Jones, even this shell of his former self, offers a much different dynamic. He is still super fast and can make guys pay a big price for throwing their own punches or getting sloppy.

It is an interesting fight for sure and I would pay to see it.

Its gonna be a good fight, forget B-Hop this one is way more exciting IMO! Two speedsters that have great defense and combos, this has to be entertaining. I know I'm jumping on the bandwagon way late but you cant help but be impressed when they announce RJJ and it takes about a half hour to go through all his accomplishments ;D I think RJJ wins this one if he comes in looking like the Tito fight, but I wouldnt mind if Joe won. This is weird coming from me because if this was a year ago, I would be saying I hope they both lose.

This new coming forward style Roy looks to employ??Roy from what ive seen as of late will get rocked if he walks in on Hopkins.....even If there collecting AARP checks right about now.Roy was mass reliant on reflexes and speed in prime and I do think It's a touch too late to wanna become a Orthodox fighter against top tier guy's who in fact have never been flattened cold.
Roy is multiple all time achiever & Champion but he is not this born again P4P #1 that's walking through top guy's. Take a breath...Calzaghe Vs.Hopkins 1st and in all honesty that's nip and tuck...
Jones Vs. either one at this point will be beaten IMO.I rued this day as Tito has become measuring stick :-X
Love Trinidad and he deserves much props.Great Champion.

Calzaghe will hurt Roy Jones. Honestly I hope Roy doesn't take this fight......Calzaghe is unrelentless. Roy is great. One of the greatest. But he is gone. He was knocked out by TARVER. Who is a c***. What do you think Calzaghe would do to Tito or Tarver? Think about it.

The punch that landed on Roy in that fight would have ko'ed Calzaghe... Byron Mitchell knocked Calzaghe down. Tarver is a pretty big hitter who landed the hardest shot of his career against Roy at the exact wrong time for RJJ. It was a perfect punch that drops almost anyone without an a titanium jaw. I still think Roy hits harder than Calzaghe, but he just can't keep up with the pace... IF he can stay going forward I think Calzaghe would be fucked because he is too slow and has never had to deal with somebody faster than him. Prime Roy would have wrecked Calzaghe though.

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Calzaghe will hurt Roy Jones. Honestly I hope Roy doesn't take this fight......Calzaghe is unrelentless. Roy is great. One of the greatest. But he is gone. He was knocked out by TARVER. Who is a c***. What do you think Calzaghe would do to Tito or Tarver? Think about it.

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Calzaghe would definitely beat Tito, but not any worse than Roy did the last 7 or 8 rounds of the fight. Also the Tarver that Roy fought would have given Calzaghe a tough fight at the very least... He was fast, big, strong, southpaw. You are forgetting that Tarver was slow, coming down in weight which we've already seen the effects of that with Roy when he fought Hopkins, Sure Hopkins owned him, but that wasn't the same Tarver. I am not saying Tarver in 2004 would have beaten Calzaghe now, but it would have been a tough fight.

Ive said for months i think Jones vs Calzaghe would be a good fight and i think Jones could win.

Hopkins IMO is far the tougher fight for Joe. Styles makes fights, and Hopkins is a natural counter puncher which I believe is the way to be effective against him. Roy used to be a good counter puncher too, but he depended on his reflexes to deliver them in the day.

Roy did look impressive aginst Tito, but Tito was there to make him look impressive. It was touch and go the first few rounds until Tito got gunshy and allow Jones time to set himself and throw single powerful shots. While I think Roy still has pop in his punches, he needs more time to set himself up to throw them, and time is one thing he will not have against Calzaghe, as well as a breather.

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Calzaghe will hurt Roy Jones. Honestly I hope Roy doesn't take this fight......Calzaghe is unrelentless. Roy is great. One of the greatest. But he is gone. He was knocked out by TARVER. Who is a c***. What do you think Calzaghe would do to Tito or Tarver? Think about it.

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Calzaghe would definitely beat Tito, but not any worse than Roy did the last 7 or 8 rounds of the fight. Also the Tarver that Roy fought would have given Calzaghe a tough fight at the very least... He was fast, big, strong, southpaw. You are forgetting that Tarver was slow, coming down in weight which we've already seen the effects of that with Roy when he fought Hopkins, Sure Hopkins owned him, but that wasn't the same Tarver. I am not saying Tarver in 2004 would have beaten Calzaghe now, but it would have been a tough fight.

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Yeah I dont think we should get carried away cuz Calzaghe is not a washed up welter coming off a loss after years of inactivity like Tito .

Im not speaking about Roy Jones' performance aginast Tito. It pointless.
Im sure Jeff Lacy would give Roy a tougher fight.

Joe Calzaghe would be all over Roy Jones like a bad suit.

Calzaghe is a skilled fighter. He'll make it competitive against Jones. Especially at this stage in Jones career. But he won't beat Jones

WTF, RJJ has had his ass handed to him by Johnson and Tarver..

So what makes you think Calzaghe couldnt do it! think about it

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

WTF, RJJ has had his ass handed to him by Johnson and Tarver..

So what makes you think Calzaghe couldnt do it! think about it

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Those guys were Light Heavyweights. Calzaghe is not as strong as Tarver so he wouldn't able to do what Tarver did to Jones. And Johnson is a good very underrated fighter. Which is the reason Calzaghe backed out of fighting him 3 times.

i think that Calzaghe has more than proved that he will fight anybody, Lacy, Kessler and now hopkins, people were saying he was scared.. Calzaghe would be even stronger at LH

Lets not forget that RJJ bottled out of fighting both Calzaghe and Collins a few years back, and Hopkins did a little poo in his pants when Calzaghe offered his the fight a few years back..

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

i think that Calzaghe has more than proved that he will fight anybody, Lacy, Kessler and now hopkins, people were saying he was scared.. Calzaghe would be even stronger at LH

Lets not forget that RJJ bottled out of fighting both Calzaghe and Collins a few years back, and Hopkins did a little poo in his pants when Calzaghe offered his the fight a few years back..

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Calzaghe demanded equal pay against Jones years ago. Nobody knew Calzaghe back than. So him demanding equal pay was his way of backing out against Jones. And as for Jones backing out against Collins? Come on now. Say that out loud. "Jones was scared to fight Collins" Tell me that wasn't just plain stupid to say

yep you heard right, just like RJJ will be hearing the words you lost lost if he does get in the ring with calzaghe!

You seem to hate on British fighters, get over it

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

yep you heard right, just like RJJ will be hearing the words you lost lost if he does get in the ring with calzaghe!

You seem to hate on British fighters, get over it

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Weren't you one of the guys backing up Hatton against Mayweather. Swearing up and down that Hatton was going to smash him?

no actually i wasnt, i said that i thought that Hatton had the style to beat him, and either i was wrong or Hatton didnt preform to his best! I admit gettin a bit lost in the hype because Hatton had alot of people believing he could do it, but he lost to the best in the world! No shame in that

Wasnt you one of the guys saying Kessler would spank Calzaghe?

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

no actually i wasnt, i said that i thought that Hatton had the style to beat him, and either i was wrong or Hatton didnt preform to his best! I admit gettin a bit lost in the hype because Hatton had alot of people believing he could do it, but he lost to the best in the world! No shame in that

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Talk about contradicting yourself

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Wasnt you one of the guys saying Kessler would spank Calzaghe?

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Yeah I picked Kessler. But Kessler is Euro fighter. I had a feeling he would disappoint me. And he did.

As long as VD is picking aginst the Brit jolly you have nothing to worry about.

If he ever turned, I'd lump my house on the upset.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

As long as VD is picking aginst the Brit jolly you have nothing to worry about.

If he ever turned, I'd lump my house on the upset.

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I could of swore Hatton, Nicky Cook and Dunne were all Brit fighters I picked to get smashed and did

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As long as VD is picking aginst the Brit jolly you have nothing to worry about.

If he ever turned, I'd lump my house on the upset.

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I could of swore Hatton, Nicky Cook and Dunne were all Brit fighters I picked to get smashed and did

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Hatton and Cook weren't jollys to win their fights (that means favourite). Dunne is Irish.

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As long as VD is picking aginst the Brit jolly you have nothing to worry about.

If he ever turned, I'd lump my house on the upset.

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I could of swore Hatton, Nicky Cook and Dunne were all Brit fighters I picked to get smashed and did

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Hatton and Cook weren't jollys to win their fights (that means favourite). Dunne is Irish.

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Actually Cook was the favorite to win. Just like Calzaghe was favored to beat Kessler. And Calzaghe is the favorite to beat Hopkins (he won't) and would be if he fights Jones

I picked Floyd to beat hatton. I'm a boxing genius 8)

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As long as VD is picking aginst the Brit jolly you have nothing to worry about.

If he ever turned, I'd lump my house on the upset.

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I could of swore Hatton, Nicky Cook and Dunne were all Brit fighters I picked to get smashed and did

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Hatton and Cook weren't jollys to win their fights (that means favourite). Dunne is Irish.

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Actually Cook was the favorite to win. Just like Calzaghe was favored to beat Kessler. And Calzaghe is the favorite to beat Hopkins (he won't) and would be if he fights Jones

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Cook-Luevano was virtually evens with the bookies. And a genuine 50-50 fight.

Thats right you keep picking against Calzaghe.. it would be worrying (for his sake) if you didn't.

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Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

yep you heard right, just like RJJ will be hearing the words you lost lost if he does get in the ring with calzaghe!

You seem to hate on British fighters, get over it

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You know I would love to see any fighter in the world go against an American champion and win not because Im anti American (got some good friends from there.)
America has such a big pool of people to choose from compared with the rest of us its like a half of the worlds population all in one area.
With a massive mixed race genetic pool good education and food they produce more champions in more areas.
In fighting I end up secretly going for the underdogs in anything, even if my man from my own country starts to whip ass I start looking at how the opposition can muster himself and start thinking for him instead;
Cause I'd rather see a great fight than a one sided one anyday.
I suspect you are all the same deep down cause most of you who post are all real fight fans here so you place that above a country.

At the end of the day I hope Australia whips all your asses at everything , I think if its taken on all sports and percentage per head per capita we probably have it ;)

I still recon Hopkins wins over Calzage and Roy too if he continues getting fitter and aims and trains for the job for long while.

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

I think Jones would do better against Calzaghe than most people think, Jones has a very good straight right hand. Which is a very good punch against a southpaw plus Calzaghe does get caught by that punch an awful lot. Jones still has quicker hands than Calzaghe plus Calzaghe has never dealt with anyone in Jones class. I also don't think Calzaghe will just be able to simply outwork Jones and win UD like most people expect. Jones is very smart fighter and he won't allow Calzaghe to get off that many punches, Jones can stop Calzaghe's work rate with his blinding hand speed and he can make Calzaghe more cautious by landing those fast crisp punches. On the downside for Jones he hasn't KO anyone in a long time but IMO he still has good power.

Whats your thoughts ??

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Jones looked shot against Tito. He was doing that herky jerky thing that shot fighters do when they're trying to move fluidly like they used to but the body isn't responding the way it used to. Very suspect stamina now too. Tito actually looked a lot closer to his old self than Jones did. If Jones does fight Calzaghe next it'll be very one-sided.