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Felix Trinidad: Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
Saturday night, Tito didn't land a single big flush left hook all night. Some of that was because of Roy's defense, and some of it was because Tito just didn't have the speed and reflexes anymore to perfectly time a left hook.
In his prime, Tito's left hook was a thing of beauty. It was his signature punch, it was the punch he used to destroy Fernando Vargas, David Reid, William Joppy, and Oba Carr, among others.
So, as the thread title says... was Trinidad's left hook the best left hook of the last 30 years (in other words... since Joe Frazier retired)?
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Re: Felix Trinidad: Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
jones' style has never allowed him to be hit with a clean left hook...so that's why tito could land it...i thought his right hand was the bigger threat
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Re: Felix Trinidad: Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
tyson,
holmes
ribalta
and a host of others were knocked down or knocked out by his left hook.
i would say tysons at least matches trinidads if you saw it pound for pound.
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Re: Felix Trinidad: Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
IT sure was one of the best
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Re: Felix Trinidad: Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
It was a great Left Hook, but he has stiff competition in the last thirty years.
In the running you have Julian Jackson, Gerald McClellan, Cotto on the way up, Floyd Mayweather Jr. Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar, Tyson, Lewis...
Lots of guys using their left hook as a signature punch so a lot of competition.
I'd actually say Oscar's left hook was better than Tito's but Tito had the better straight right.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
jones' style has never allowed him to be hit with a clean left hook...so that's why tito could land it...i thought his right hand was the bigger threat
sorry i didn't read the topic all the way...but i think in terms of the hook being a signature punch yeah tito's was deadly but the best one punch left hook i can remember off the top is oscars on vargas
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It was definately one of the best but I would not say it was #1 in the last 30 years. It did not have the one punch destruction capability to leave a guy unconsious like Tyson's or Jackson's. What made Tito a great puncher was not his left hook, but his complete offensive arsenal. He had power in both hands and when he had you hurt and down he knew how to keep you there.
Between his fight with Oscar and Hopkins he fought 4 times and scored 14 knockdowns.. :o Pretty impressive when you think that three of those guys were champions and Tito was moving up in weight.
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Donald Curry's left hook on Milton McCrory was the quickest left hook i've seen.
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De La Hoyas was better imo. Micky Ward had one of the best also.
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Julio Cesar Chavez
Roy Jones Jr
Tommy Morrison
David Tua
Mike Tyson
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Gerry Cooney
Micky Ward
Felix Trinidad
They all come to mind straight away.
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Ray Robinson on Gene Fulmer and Carmen Basilio. If anyone has seen scarier left hooks I pity them.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Ray Robinson on Gene Fulmer and Carmen Basilio. If anyone has seen scarier left hooks I pity them.
Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Ray Robinson on Gene Fulmer and Carmen Basilio. If anyone has seen scarier left hooks I pity them.
Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
I realise the thread title, but once you see those left hooks you'll understand.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Ray Robinson on Gene Fulmer and Carmen Basilio. If anyone has seen scarier left hooks I pity them.
Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
I realise the thread title, but once you see those left hooks you'll understand.
I've seen it but this one is just as good don't blink.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bwJSvNQPaY
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When I think of morden left hookers I always think of Tommy Morrison.
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Just to respond to a few of the names mentioned:
Tyson- had a devestating left hook, but when I think of Tyson, I think of straight right hands and uppercuts, those were his true money punches and the punches he scored most of his KO's on
Lewis- definitely doesn't belong on the list. his entire attack was based on the left jab and right cross. The left hook was an afterthought to Lewis.
Mayweather- the left hook has been a big punch for him, but he has nowhere near the power in his left hook that Trinidad had in his prime. Mayweather is a great fighter because of his defense, not his punching. Could you imagine if a prime Tito at 147 landed a flush left hook on Ricky Hatton?
Micky Ward- ya he had a good left hook to the body, but the fighters he was landing left hooks on weren't even remotely the same caliber as TIto's opponents.
De La Hoya- I figured his name would come up, and he definitely has a great left hook. But I don't think his hook had the power of Tito's. Look at their fights with Vargas. Oscar knocked out Vargas with a hook, but not until after he had picked him apart and worked his body for 10 rounds. Tito badly hurt Vargas with the first left hook he landed, only 20 seconds into the fight.
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Ice: Yeah that was a great KO Ice. Curry was a fine champion and he doesn't really get the credit he deserves because that aura of indestructability was shattered so profoundly by Honeyghan.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Just to respond to a few of the names mentioned:
Tyson- had a devestating left hook, but when I think of Tyson, I think of straight right hands and uppercuts, those were his true money punches and the punches he scored most of his KO's on
Lewis- definitely doesn't belong on the list. his entire attack was based on the left jab and right cross. The left hook was an afterthought to Lewis.
Mayweather- the left hook has been a big punch for him, but he has nowhere near the power in his left hook that Trinidad had in his prime. Mayweather is a great fighter because of his defense, not his punching. Could you imagine if a prime Tito at 147 landed a flush left hook on Ricky Hatton?
Micky Ward- ya he had a good left hook to the body, but the fighters he was landing left hooks on weren't even remotely the same caliber as TIto's opponents.
De La Hoya- I figured his name would come up, and he definitely has a great left hook. But I don't think his hook had the power of Tito's. Look at their fights with Vargas. Oscar knocked out Vargas with a hook, but not until after he had picked him apart and worked his body for 10 rounds. Tito badly hurt Vargas with the first left hook he landed, only 20 seconds into the fight.
*1 - Tysons right hand only really came into prominance after he came out of jail, aty least he definetly used it alot more, his left hook was his money punch b4 1990 along with his left hook to the body then left upper to the head.
*2 Hatton at welter yes i cant remember if trinidad foughyt at light welter but im sure if hatton could take kostyas there then he could take a fair few of trinidads aswell.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Julio Cesar Chavez
Roy Jones Jr
Tommy Morrison
David Tua
Mike Tyson
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Gerry Cooney
Micky Ward
Felix Trinidad
They all come to mind straight away.
CC very good list of left hookers...Tommy's is probably the most powerful...not just due to him being a HW either....
DLH's has always used it as his signature punch
Tommy Hearns always had a vicious left hook to the body
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Ice, that left-hook was sick.
Thats the sort of shot that makes you not want to throw a single punch!
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what makes for a good left hook is your technique in addition to your ability to land the punch flush. If you notice Tito stood very square with his weight over his left leg. His left foot was flat and his right foot was lifted on the ball of the foot. So he was always ready to throw a left hook. You'll also notice that his right hand was always kept high up right on the cheek while his left hand has held slightly lower and out and tended to drift. This allowed him to be looser with his left hand meaning he would always be ready to let it go. Tito was a walking left hook.
Tito's style basically centered around slipping punches and throwing the quick whipping left hook counter. You can see how ineffective Tito was whenever he fought someone who didn't allow him to counter them either by moving away from his left hook or throwing punches without enough commitment to fully counter.
Watch Tito follow De la Hoya and Hopkins round after round doing nothing because he was always laying in wait to counter something with his left hook. This is the great weakness to his style. Since he was so centered around throwing that left hook counter if you could take that option away from him he was completely nullified. But if you engaged him and allowed him opportunities to counter you with his left hook you were in great danger. Tito was one of the best ever at countering with the left hook.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Julio Cesar Chavez
Roy Jones Jr
Tommy Morrison
David Tua
Mike Tyson
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Gerry Cooney
Micky Ward
Felix Trinidad
They all come to mind straight away.
CC very good list of left hookers...Tommy's is probably the most powerful...not just due to him being a HW either....
DLH's has always used it as his signature punch
Tommy Hearns always had a vicious left hook to the body
:coolclick: back.
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Just to respond to a few of the names mentioned:
Tyson- had a devestating left hook, but when I think of Tyson, I think of straight right hands and uppercuts, those were his true money punches and the punches he scored most of his KO's on
Lewis- definitely doesn't belong on the list. his entire attack was based on the left jab and right cross. The left hook was an afterthought to Lewis.
Mayweather- the left hook has been a big punch for him, but he has nowhere near the power in his left hook that Trinidad had in his prime. Mayweather is a great fighter because of his defense, not his punching. Could you imagine if a prime Tito at 147 landed a flush left hook on Ricky Hatton?
Micky Ward- ya he had a good left hook to the body, but the fighters he was landing left hooks on weren't even remotely the same caliber as TIto's opponents.
De La Hoya- I figured his name would come up, and he definitely has a great left hook. But I don't think his hook had the power of Tito's. Look at their fights with Vargas. Oscar knocked out Vargas with a hook, but not until after he had picked him apart and worked his body for 10 rounds. Tito badly hurt Vargas with the first left hook he landed, only 20 seconds into the fight.
*1 - Tysons right hand only really came into prominance after he came out of jail, aty least he definetly used it alot more, his left hook was his money punch b4 1990 along with his left hook to the body then left upper to the head.
*2 Hatton at welter yes i cant remember if trinidad foughyt at light welter
but im sure if hatton could take kostyas there then he could take a fair few of trinidads aswell.
Tszyu wasn't a great left hooker, his punch was the straight right (ask Zab Judah).
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I don't think Trinidad's speed or timing was any worse that it has been in his last 4-5 fights... I think Roy knows how to stop and opponent from landing that fight. I don't think he has the best left hook of the last 30 years because that has to belong to Mike Tyson IMO, and then Trinidad, Jones, the rest of them follow suit... Personally I would put ROy's above Tito's because he could use it instead of a jab, he could hit as hard as anyone with it, he could throw it as a combination by itself.
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Morrisons hook was a thing of power & precision.
JCC
Tua
To throw other names out there not as a candidates but just mentions:
Nelson
Gatti
Lacy - he most certainly had it early in his career
MAB
Olivares
Cotto
Hatton
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these are my three favourite hookers
trinidad
roy jones jnr
oscar dela hoya
if i had to give a edge 4 pound 4 pound power il probably give it oscar bc he was a natural left hander then trinidad. but i think roy might of had the better left hook out of the 3 bc it was quicker and he could throw the left hook long. however too close to call
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Re: Felix Trinidad: Best Left Hook of the Last 30 Years?
Well not to say who used it better but Tito's left hook was a thing of beauty
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Originally Posted by Puya
Well not to say who used it better but Tito's left hook was a thing of beauty
Puya I just saw your sig!!!
Is that you mate!!!
CC you lucky .........
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Roy Jones Jr had the best left hook, he could load up on it (like he did vs Griffin) and he could throw it multiple times in a row....lots of power, lots of speed, very accurate.
Mike Tyson had a great left hook it started and ended many combinations that led to the demise of lots of fighters.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
It was a great Left Hook, but he has stiff competition in the last thirty years.
In the running you have Julian Jackson, Gerald McClellan, Cotto on the way up, Floyd Mayweather Jr. Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar, Tyson, Lewis...
Lots of guys using their left hook as a signature punch so a lot of competition.
I'd actually say Oscar's left hook was better than Tito's but Tito had the better straight right.
McClellan Left hook ? His weapon was the right hand!
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Originally Posted by Poom
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
It was a great Left Hook, but he has stiff competition in the last thirty years.
In the running you have Julian Jackson, Gerald McClellan, Cotto on the way up, Floyd Mayweather Jr. Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar, Tyson, Lewis...
Lots of guys using their left hook as a signature punch so a lot of competition.
I'd actually say Oscar's left hook was better than Tito's but Tito had the better straight right.
McClellan Left hook ? His weapon was the right hand!
His combination he relied on most was the 1-2-left hook to the body - I dentical to Tommy Hearns and many other Kronk Fighters. The left hook was pretty much essential to his fighting style.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Puya
Well not to say who used it better but Tito's left hook was a thing of beauty
Puya I just saw your sig!!!
Is that you mate!!!
CC you lucky .........
Donny,
I will assume that your thinking Puya is the little guy being carried by Cotto & Tito.
That's not Puya, that's the former WBO Minimumweight & CURRENT WBO LightFlyweight champ Ivan 'Iron Boy' Calderon.
:)
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....speaking of Cotto his left hook is NASTY
Wladimir Klitschko has a very good left hook it's outshined by his jab and right cross but you can ask Ray Austin and Sam Peter about that left hook of his
Ray Robinson has to be up there on the all-time list along with Joe Frazier
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Puya
Well not to say who used it better but Tito's left hook was a thing of beauty
Puya I just saw your sig!!!
Is that you mate!!!
CC you lucky .........
Donny,
I will assume that your thinking Puya is the little guy being carried by Cotto & Tito.
That's not Puya, that's the former WBO Minimumweight & CURRENT WBO LightFlyweight champ Ivan 'Iron Boy' Calderon.
:)
Mick, speaking of Calderon, I was wathching Calderon-Cazares the other day, did you think he won that fight, cause I think Cazares got f#cked. Just my opinion but im curious if im the only one who though this. Ivans a good little fighter though, he moves well.
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Puya
Well not to say who used it better but Tito's left hook was a thing of beauty
Puya I just saw your sig!!!
Is that you mate!!!
CC you lucky .........
Donny,
I will assume that your thinking Puya is the little guy being carried by Cotto & Tito.
That's not Puya, that's the former WBO Minimumweight & CURRENT WBO LightFlyweight champ Ivan 'Iron Boy' Calderon.
:)
Mick, speaking of Calderon, I was wathching Calderon-Cazares the other day, did you think he won that fight, cause I think Cazares got f#cked. Just my opinion but im curious if im the only one who though this. Ivans a good little fighter though, he moves well.
Check this out Boom-Boom.... :)
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,52484.0.html
