How far would Gulata have gone if he did not go mental &/or quit so many times.
Some of the things they said during the fight got me to thinking. How good was he at his best and how far he could've gone had he got his head straight.
I think there is obviously no doubt he woudl've been a champion. (Bowe fights) But could he have beaten the likes of Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson and the Klitchco bros.
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Some of the things they said during the fight got me to thinking. How good was he at his best and how far he could've gone had he got his head straight.
I think there is obviously no doubt he woudl've been a champion. (Bowe fights) But could he have beaten the likes of Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson and the Klitchco bros.
Golota is overrated IMO before the fights with Golota he was almost KO by 300+ Samson Po'uha. And Golota had to bite his neck to survive the onslaught. Bowe was badly shot in the fights with Golota and he didn't train at all for the 1st meeting he looked like a beached whale, and in the rematch Bowe lost like 50+ pounds in a very short time and was badly weight drained. Plus he had damage to his brain because of punishment from Holyfield and Golota. And i don't care what anyone says i think Bowe was on the verge of stopping Golota in 4th round of there rematch but Golota threw about 8 low blows in that round to survive.
And no way on earth would Golota beat Lewis, Tyson, or Vitali, Golota had some skills but he is very overrated. Except for handing out two beatings too a badly shot Bowe his career was basically disappointing.
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Lewis already blasted the crazy lunatic out in one round, and Tyson in a couple.
The mental aspect is just as important as the physical. For a Tom Cruise, Golota's career hasn't been too bad.
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In his prime he was very robotic. he threw some good combinations and was a strong heavyweight, but he was always very stiff. He wouldnt have had a long reign as champion imo.
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I've always said that Golota is the biggest waste of talent of the last 20 years.
I'm not sure that he could ever could have beaten Lennox, but if Golota didn't have mental issues, I think he could have beaten Vitali, or the old version of Tyson that he faced. He could have been a very very good fighter.
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Golota could have captured a belt. So long as it wasn't against a Tyson, Lewis or Holyfield. Those 3 had too much for him- I don't care how much concentration he had, he just couldn't have done it. But he could have beaten Chris Byrd. Byrd wouldn't have been able to hurt him and if he just kept on him until he finally connected Byrd would have gone down. Ruiz- Golota would have crushed him. Again, someone who wouldn't have been able to hurt him. It seems how you beat the quit into Golota is by hitting him hard or a combination of hard and fast. Look at what Lamon Brewster did to him. But if you put in a champ who didn't move too fast or hit too hard and he could have beaten him. I can see a focused Golota beating, if not kayoing Valuev.
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You see what i mean this is what i mean by being overrated, people just watch the Bowe fights and think Golota could of beat some of the best 90s Heavyweights when he would of never had. Lets get one thing straight that Bowe was a shell of himself in the Golota fights and had been fading long before the Golota fights. Golota just got to Bowe at the right time, no one gave Golota a chance against Bowe because he wasn't considered that good. He had decent skills along with a good jab, but he was very robotic and it wasn't just his mental weakness, he had other very bad flaws. Almost getting KO by Samson Po'uha and having to bite his neck to survive was a disgrace.
After the Bowe fights his career was very disappointing, the only decent names he beat after that was Tim Witherspoon, Jesse Ferguson, who were both 40+. And he couldn't even stop glass chin Michael Grant when he had him down twice in the first, but when Grant starts to fire back and knocks him down he quits like a big girl, because he knew Grant was on the verge of stopping him and instead of trying to survive or go out on his shield he quits even though he was clearly winning the fight. After that he had decent showing against Byrd when they battled each other to a draw. And then he lost to John Ruiz yes he did knock down Ruiz twice but once again couldn't seal the deal and Ruiz comeback strong and won UD.
If Golota would of faced some of the best 90s Heavyweights, he would of lost to most of them and in brutal fashion as well.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
You see what i mean this is what i mean by being overrated, people just watch the Bowe fights and think Golota could of beat some of the best 90s Heavyweights when he would of never had. Lets get one thing straight that Bowe was a shell of himself in the Golota fights and had been fading long before the Golota fights. Golota just got to Bowe at the right time, no one gave Golota a chance against Bowe because he wasn't considered that good. He had decent skills along with a good jab, but he was very robotic and it wasn't just his mental weakness, he had other very bad flaws. Almost getting KO by Samson Po'uha and having to bite his neck to survive was a disgrace.
After the Bowe fights his career was very disappointing, the only decent names he beat after that was Tim Witherspoon, Jesse Ferguson, who were both 40+. And he couldn't even stop glass chin Michael Grant when he had him down twice in the first, but when Grant starts to fire back and knocks him down he quits like a big girl, because he knew Grant was on the verge of stopping him and instead of trying to survive or go out on his shield he quits even though he was clearly winning the fight. After that he had decent showing against Byrd when they battled each other to a draw. And then he lost to John Ruiz yes he did knock down Ruiz twice but once again couldn't seal the deal and Ruiz comeback strong and won UD.
If Golota would of faced some of the best 90s Heavyweights, he would of lost to most of them and in brutal fashion as well.
Agreed but at that time Golota looked like 1 of the top heavyweights . He may have been able to beat Tyson in a rematch when you consider their fights against Mcbride but thats not a great achievement . Then he was robbed vs Byrd and Ruiz so he could have been a unidfied heavyweight champ. Thats not bad going .
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I'm kind of on the fence as far as what he could've done... I think ppl do tend to get too carried away looking at the Bowe fights, he was just the right guy in the right time to beat him in a large sense imo. I doubt he wouldv'e looked nearly as good against the Bowe who fought Holyfeild the first time. But, he was a very big HW with solid fundamentals, he is very strong, had respectable speed and combination punching for sure at his best. However, I recently watched him fight Mike Tyson for the first time in ages.. And I thought he probably was going to get beat down there no matter what his mindstate had been like. Imo that was one of Tysons only decent showings in a long time since he got out of prison.. He appeared to have mustered up a shred of his old movement and was affectively slipping Golota's shots and getting off some good short hooks on him. Of course Golota could have continued, and maybe if he hung in there he would've turned things around.. But, that wasn't the kind of fighter he was then. It is indeed very strange that in his fight on saturday at this advanced age he was finally able to keep his cool and overcome some adversity.. Perhaps if he had fought with that mindset in every fight things would have gone differently. However, I still think that Lewis, Tyson, and Brewster showed that it had a lot more to do with then his mindset. He could be jumped on early to much success.
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His chin was fine but his mind was feeble.The premise is askew as far as "if he did not go mental".It's because he did fight in a solid era and faced adversity that he was exposed and did in fact go or came in nutty.He could not hang and had more than enough opportunity's to right the ship only to melt down before our eye's.He was not wired right,really bizarre.He found a way to lose even with victory within his grasp.He had some moments (Imo was robbed in Ruiz Fight)
Look no further than his split personality fight with Michael grant.It was ALL there,Golota had rebuilt himself off Bowe meltdowns,was riding streek and looking to claim stepping stone NABF belt.He came out against undefeated and Imo much overhyped Grant and brutalized him early.Dropped him twice and Grant was lucky to escape the 1st.He had Grant busted up and was dictating with stiff shots and genuine tenacity until slowly but surely Grant stated cracking him with rights.There comes a time in such a fight when a fighter has to ask AND answer the question of how badly do you want it.Grant was coming back but behind by at least 4 or 5 points and in the tenth Golota got dropped,He sprang up and looked in good condition with steady legs and all of the sudden looked at the ref. and shook his head NO.He quit,Flat out in a fight he was ahead in and could physically come back in...Mentally he was broken,busted and done.
He was really was a physical specimen with phone pole punches and it was so frustrating watching him most of the time,waitin to say "Oh shit,here we go again".They say boxing is mostly mental and not physical.Golota could not cut it.
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Why do I feel like I'm tumbling down a rabbit hole.
I'm reading someones comment here and it feels like my words are being echoed from previous posts? ???
Anyway... Golota reminds of Bowe in the sense that some people feel because he has 1 or 2 good showings that he'd be able to fight and or beat some of the best. Like when someone said Bowe would have given Ali problems... ;D
As for where Golota would have gone, well nowhere to be honest. :)
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Alot of people think he should have been champ already if not for the draw in the Byrd fight.He is one of those fun to watch guys, not necessarily for his boxing but for his reputation. I think he is getting himself lined up for another shot here soon, but the only champ I could see him beating is Maskaev and he's gonna be losing his belt soon enough.
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Someone implying me again in this thread trying to lure me in but im not taking the bait so imply all you like.
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Gave you all a round of CCs (Cept for Mick cuz I already gave you one earlier). Great input, good debate. It is really hard to say because a fighters mindset and hart are two of his key attributes if he wants to make it far on this business. Just think how far a man like Tyson would've gone...
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Golata is an impossable fighter to properly gauge
When he feels in control,he reminds me of most of the Russian fighters,a wall that is coming down on you. When he gets frustrated because a guy wont stay down,he has a tendency to act on his frustrations.
It would have been really interesting to see this more mature and composed version of Golata,in the body he had 10 years ago
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the DQ's in the bowe fights really pushed him over the edge, its right he got DQ'd but he felt the world was against him. boxings about mental strengh as well as the rest. he was tall, strong in good shape but upstairs was lacking, is as if he thought the other guy shouldn't be allowed to put presure on him. he could have been a real force ivan drago stlye
