I just threw a few names into the hat if there are any names you want me to add let me know.
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I just threw a few names into the hat if there are any names you want me to add let me know.
Hopkins is somewhat of a dirty fighter. So the chance of him getting DQ'ed and Calzaghe winning is there. My opinion on the names listed is
Jones- I see Calzaghe being competitive with Jones. But Jones by UD
Pavlik/Taylor- I would make Joe the favored over both
Dawson- I see Chad being to big, to strong and to young for Joe
Johnson- No way this happens. Joe already ducked him 3 times. He would make it 4 if the opportunity presented itself
I agree, well mostly anyway :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I can see Calzaghe beating Hopkins, because Hopkins has the bad habit of waiting and waiting and waiting... Hopkins will not be able to maintain Calzaghe's pace and is simply too slow of a starter these days.
I cannot see Calzaghe beating Jones. Even Jones at this stage of his career, would tame Calzaghe IMO. His speed will neutralize Calzaghe's punch output and Joe will not hit hard enough for Jones to go into a shell. Joe will be the one that slows his output for fear of getting nailed with counter punches. Jones wins this.
I think he should rematch Kessler in Denmark. I believe Mikkel deserves a rematch.
Why ?? both men were at there best and Kessler was clearly beaten by at least 4 or 3 rounds. I don't really see why Calzaghe has to fight Kessler again.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Joe won't have to worry about this. Cus he ain't gettin past old B-hop. 8)
It was in front of a pro Calzaghe crowd, in Joe's hometown. 3 or 4 rounds isnt a huge beating by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Also Kessler had the more recognised belts before the fight.
I think beating a prime fighter in Kessler in his hometown would do more for Joes legacy than continuing to fight 40 something guys.
agreed. Hopkins will outclass him and take him to school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Agreed. A rematch would prove NOTHING. Waste of time. Calzaghe already beat him.
And BigLuke, you're DAAAAAMMMMNNNNNNNN right he will.
3 or 4 rounds is being generous to Kessler some people even had it 9-3 which Wacko did. I see no point with Calzaghe fighting Kessler in Denmark, not only would there be a chance of Calzaghe getting robbed of a decision. But he will hardly get any credit for beating the same fighter he already easily beat. At least if fights Jones in USA and wins he will get a lot more exposure and more credit for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Calzaghe's work rate alone won't allow him to get taken to school by Hopkins. Calzaghe is a very skilled fighter with a good jab and he punches from all angles. Calzaghe's best assets like his Jab, Workrate, Angles, will badly trouble Hopkins. Whoever wins it won't be one sided at all and i would lay down £1000 on it as well if i had that type of money to bet with.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke
I voted for Glen Johnson.
Two reasons...#1 : After Joe has a really ruff & tuff rumble on the way to defeating Hopkins...he'll need a bit of a breather. While ole' Glengoffe is no walk in the park...he's a good name & one that's been in line for awhile to get a shot at Calzaghe. Johnson would be a good show & he'd be a great set up & motivational test for Roy Jones jr.
Reason #2 : Jones got KTFOBT by Johnson...this would be a great promotional tool to bring Jones to the table provided that Joe total kicks the shit outta him...which I believe that he would.
So...RJJ would have been my first vote.
Hopkins then Johnson would be 2 tough fights to take in a row. Even tho i think Joe C should probably win both those fights would have to take something away from him cos BHOP and Johnson would rough him up big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Joe don't want none of Glen. He already punked out against him 3 timesQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Johnson does well battering fighters that just stand there in front of him waiting to be hit. Joe's a lot more awkward & mobile than anyone that Johnson has faced in the last 3 or 4 years of his career. That makes a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
While Johnson is an intimidating fighter & has looked impressive against his last few opponets...you have to look at the opponents & their state of being at the time.
Everyone went "coo-coo for Co-Co Puffs" over his TKO of Montell Griffin...I did not. Griffin was pretty much past it. Admittedly...I think that he looked great against George Jones & Richard Hall...but again...both of whom were pretty much past it.
As far as him being ruff on Joe...I just don't think that Joe's gonna fight a stand & trade game with him. Look at the Clinton Woods match. Many think that he was robbed against Woods...in the end...Clinton handled him as well as Johnson did Tarver on his upside in their first bout.
I won't even boost him up by mentioning Moore or Pineda getting blasted out.
That being said...Johnson's got enough to trouble & possibley spark out Bad Chad Dawson, who IWHO, still aint cut out for the big leagues mentally.
A good barometer for what I mean there is the Adamek bout. While Chad did pretty well to beat him...he fought like an idiot in doing so. Tomasz put it on him several times...he even blasted him to the mat once or twice.
I like Dawson, always have...I just think that he needs to work on pacing himself & his whole mental setting...he's a bit wreckless at times.
I would love to see Johnson bring Dawson back down to earth...but I don't want to see the kid humiliated. Johnson could do both...humble & or humiliate.
Personally, if Joe does beat Bhop then I'd rather he bypassed Jones and went for the Taylor-Pavlik winner. That would do more for his legacy than beating a 70% Roy imo. Jones I can't take as a serious threat now until he beats a prime fighter. Then he might be worth a shot.
I think there'll be a lot of money in a Calzaghe-Pavlik match if they let it build a little. Joe should forget about his next fight being his last and go for a belt at 175 (probably Woods). In the meantime Pavlik might have beaten JT again and another (preferably a decent name such as Abraham or even Winky). He'll be well established at that point. It'd be a similar scenario to the Kessler fight really and I think it'll do a lot more for Joe than a Jones fight.
The problem with a possible Joe C v Pavlik matchuo is that Joe is looking to move to 175, whereas Kelly might go back to 160 after the Taylor II fight. I think once Joe goes to 175 to fight he isnt coming back down to 168, and 168 is as high as Pavlik is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pryor82
Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick: me son.
I kinda sorta agree...but honestly...I just want to see the Jones fight happen so that I can finally say that one of my home turf favorites actually made the fight happen...whethere it be Jones or Hopkins...I just want one of my American players put their asses on a boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pryor82
While Jones is still working his way back to the top...if you stop & look at it...he's done enough to merit the shot @ Joe. He's won & lost just like any other fighter out there...but Jones unconsciously set such a high bar for himself worldwide that everyone expects more than the most from him.
Maybe he'll prove us all wrong & we'll get it...the most, I mean.
I have no desire to see that fight. It's way to early for Pavlik & I honestly just don't see it as being fair or enough prep time for Pavlik. I've been a huge fan & believer of Pavlik's for quite some time now...& gaining a few L B's or not...I just don't see him being ready for the elite man of 168lbs. Maybe a few tuners prior to going for Joe...but the skill level & speed difference between the two...not to mention technique is a whole lot bigger of a gap than most want to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pryor82
Winky needs to stay at 160lbs. I was at Hopkins vs Wright & Winky looked like shit. Gettin fat aint his strong suit...but I honestly believe that Wright'd be too much for Pavlik @ 160lbs. Abraham vs Pavlik would be a beaut of a bout...Pavlik going toe to toe with Abraham would be a welcome sight to this ole' bwoy'z eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pryor82
Honestly...I just gotta say that I'd like to see Pavlik beat Taylor again & then drop back down & dominate 160lbs by going in the pecking order of Sturm, Abraham, & then Wright. Christ that'd be sweet.
Good stuff.
I'll be :coolclick: in' ya in another 24 hours for the good post.
:coolclick: Eggs-zackree!Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Once up...Calzahge aint comin back down unless he takes a beat down & Pavlik needs to stay down & own the property as long as he possibley can...honestly I believe that Pavlik would be a good representation of what we need at 160lbs...a new champion that's as dominate as Hopkins was in his hey day.
If Carl Froch destroys Inkin, and another top SMW (Mundine, Kessler, Bute) then a bout between him and Joe C could very well be a good money spinner in the UK. Bit of a long shot but still a possibility.
I think that there's a pretty fine chance of him handling Inkin & Bute.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Mundine & Kessler? Nah...atleast not Kessler.
You?
Ok, so you can see Calzaghe beating Hopkins because Hopkins won't be able to keep up at Calzaghe's pace, a pace I might add that Hop wouln'dt try to maintain in the first place. Why? because that's not how he fights. But he does win fights. And to touch on Jones/Calzaghe, if speed can tame Calzaghe, why can't being extremely experienced and cagey neutralize as well? Oh, and very good rough inside fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Oh, I would like to see Calzaghe/Jones or Hopkins/Pavlik please. :D
If the question was who do i want to see joecal fight, the answer would probably be johnson. again, beating a young, prime fighter at 175 would do so much more for him than beating a 70% rjj, as pryor said. but that would be a real interesting matchup, as johnson might be too strong for joe...but thats just what i want
Ay Lightheavy the risk is too much, Clinton Woods if he simply must fight, but otherwise retire.
Wait and see how Joe handles the new weight before I make a final decision, but I picked winner of Pavlik/Taylor has who he SHOULD fight IMO. It would be a huge fight and it wouldn't be part of this seniors tour that seems to be going on.
I actually belive Pavlik would be a much tougher fight than Wacko thinks, though I don't dissagree with him often, he's strong with tremoundous power and stamina, his output is almost as high as Joe's, but more impressive in the fact that most of his shots are power shots.
As for who I WANT him to fight, that's a toughie. I don't think he'd get as much credit as he should if he beat any of the guys on the list to be honest, so on that respect it doesn't matter. Many of the guys who believe that Jones' performance against Trinidad was impressive, and that he'd do well against Joe, will be the first guys on here the next day to discredit a Joe win.
One fight I don't WANT to see is with Pavlik, since I've lined him up as my new favourite fighter once Joe retires, so that leaves probably a fight with Johnson for me as a swansong for him.
i would like to see him face roy
I went with Roy Jones i think Jones can still beat him i would have liked Woods and even perhaps Froch on the list.
You must be THE BIGGEST Calzaghe kiss ass on the forum Wacko. Seriously. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
i agree, calzaghe will get little credit for beating jones. at least fighting the winner of taylor and pavlik hes fighting someone in their prime. then again joe if he takes that fight will probably get panned for fighting a smaller opponentQuote:
Originally Posted by Pryor82
clicked the wrong one, meant to go for Dawson... apart form pavlik he is the only one there who still has a big fute in the sport... i think he ones one of the best on the list and by beating him his name will improve as dawson hits the big times him self...
Joe can get away with fighting hopkins because he is still in the top 10 p4p, has the ring belt and its in the states... HE goes about fighting jones or johnson after it the usual haters will be back syaing how hes ducking pavlik or chad dawson and is only fighting old washed up guys (partly you could agree with them too!)
So either retire after beating hopkins or finish of with Dawson and let him go on and do good things.
....someone his own age.
Roy has opted to fight from behind a tightened defence and wont free up as easily so thats a down point. Im not sure its totally a fitness thing he was dry for many rounds against Tito and just cruising in a safe zone.
Is it from weight /age and its all getting to his fitness level , or is it from an underlying mental issue from getting sparked cold and the underlying fear that can go along with that?
He is adjusting and fighting well from it ,but thats not going to be as easy against someone in their prime with hunger.
You picking Tito then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Naw...actually i'd have to wait and see how things pan out before i could give a serious answer. Joe really doesn't have to much to prove to me reguardless of who he chooses to fight. I hate that it's taken so long for him to kinda get a name out here (which he really doesn't even have yet) all those years only fighting across the pond is catching up with him, it's almost a too little too late situation. Beat b-hop everyone will say so what and he'll be back looking for a big fight except a year older.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp