Calzaghe more interested in Pavlik-Taylor winner than Jones

When Joe was asked for a potential showdown with Roy Jones, should he defeat Hopkins, the Welsh fighter was non-committal.

“I’m more interested in the winner of Taylor – Pavlik next to be honest. I’d rather fight a guy in his prime. They are the fights I get up for – big, big fights.”

I think fighting Jones will most likely lower his stock in being considered one of the best of his era. If he loses to roy then all his detractors will say that we told you all along and if he wins without a stellar performance then many will criticize him for not dominating an old shot fighter.

What weight did he wanna fight them at? 168? Or doe she expect Taylor or Pavlik to fight at 175?

Good for Joe, glad he's thinking about legacy over money.

I'll say it now, if Calzaghe beats Hopkins and then if Pavlik beats Taylor again, a win for Calzaghe over Pavlik puts him into the top 20 of all time imo.

His record will be as good as Haglers imo.

If it comes off im sure Joe would have no problems getting back down to 168.

An honourable move in my book!
I had said, If Calzaghe beats Hopkins and decides to fight Roy Jones I wouldn't forgive him, so I'm relieved to hear this.

ye definately good to hear this from Joe, at this stage Roy is nothing but a money fight.

The only people that want to see Jones fight Joe are Jones fans, it's a no lose fight for Roy since he'd be a legend if he wins, asnd if he loses, what the hey he was shot anyway and Joe would be called a bully for facing him in the first place.

If the wins goto Joe and Kelly this spring , it's defo the next logical fight for both fighters, and the opponent dangerous enough to Joe for him to be motivated and not lose focus, it would also be a cracking fight.

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ye definately good to hear this from Joe, at this stage Roy is nothing but a money fight.

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Precisely CC

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Good for Joe, glad he's thinking about legacy over money.

I'll say it now, if Calzaghe beats Hopkins and then if Pavlik beats Taylor again, a win for Calzaghe over Pavlik puts him into the top 20 of all time imo.

His record will be as good as Haglers imo.

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Yea but unfortunately Pavlik will beat him ;)

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Good for Joe, glad he's thinking about legacy over money.

I'll say it now, if Calzaghe beats Hopkins and then if Pavlik beats Taylor again, a win for Calzaghe over Pavlik puts him into the top 20 of all time imo.

His record will be as good as Haglers imo.

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I have to disagree. Beating Pavlik, although a tough challenge, would not be a huge task for a fast boxer. Bhop or Jones could beat Pavlik also in my opinion. Top 20 of all time is really giving him way too much credit. Kessler is a good fighter, so is pavlik, but they are far from considered great. Bhop was a great middleweight at "one time".

At this point none of them are great. They are nice notches to have on a belt, but "greatness" gets thrown around way too much these days IMO.

Please don't even mention Joe in the same breath as Hagler. Hagler did fight great fighters, over the long haul. Joe skirted through what was for many years one of the weakest divisions in the sport fighting unheralded guys time and time again. He stayed there also when he did not have to. Hagler fought the wolves, for many years and Kessler and Pavlik are just not on that level yet.

Im all about a fighter moving forward against prime opponents.Maybe it's my not so thrilled feelings about Roy's clamouring to be relivant again..(he's living on memories Imo) but IF and that is an immense IF,Joe best's Hopkins I'd like to see him fight the current crop....they still have tomorrows and that will add to Joe's resume and legacy as opposed to Jones who is an all time great but at this point is just trying to solidify his own legacy.

Hopkins IS a great in any era and if your only as good as your last fight,He's still very damn good,Calzaghe is looking to reach that acclaim and will most likely give Hopkins his most unplesant experience in recent memorie.Im picking hopkins w.12,and then he should call it a career.

Jone's needs to get in line and meet and defeat a top ten guy.Tito win was a step but We all need to take a breath and put it in Fool perspective.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Good for Joe, glad he's thinking about legacy over money.

I'll say it now, if Calzaghe beats Hopkins and then if Pavlik beats Taylor again, a win for Calzaghe over Pavlik puts him into the top 20 of all time imo.

His record will be as good as Haglers imo.

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I have to disagree. Beating Pavlik, although a tough challenge, would not be a huge task for a fast boxer. Bhop or Jones could beat Pavlik also in my opinion. Top 20 of all time is really giving him way too much credit. Kessler is a good fighter, so is pavlik, but they are far from considered great. Bhop was a great middleweight at "one time".

At this point none of them are great. They are nice notches to have on a belt, but "greatness" gets thrown around way too much these days IMO.

Please don't even mention Joe in the same breath as Hagler. Hagler did fight great fighters, over the long haul. Joe skirted through what was for many years one of the weakest divisions in the sport fighting unheralded guys time and time again. He stayed there also when he did not have to. Hagler fought the wolves, for many years and Kessler and Pavlik are just not on that level yet.

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You maybe underestimating Pavlik a little . Joe likes to get involved and against a lights out hitter it coul;d be his downfall .

I think Jones would bring him more money and in terms of legacy eh could say he beat teh best guy of his era . Jones name on his record will look better than Taylors in 50 years time.

how about this- JC takes Hopkins to school, then takes on Pavlik and puts on another boxing master class and then has one last fight in wales with RJJ..

It would give RJJ a chance to fight another decent name while Cazaghe takes on Pavlik and set up one last hurrah for both fighters in which they would both make a packet load..

For the record Calzaghe would Defeat Jones as well and go down as a top 30 ATG.

Thats the plan anyway ;)

Of course he would be...It is a bigger fight and better for his legecy...At this poiont and time fighting RJJ is just to say it happened....lets not get crazy because RJJ looked decent against tito...he is past his best days...a win over a young Pavlik or a Taylor who is just two fights removed from being undisputed MW champion is a much bigger feather in the cap of JC

Calzaghe ain't beatin Hopkins, so you guys got nothin to worry bout anyway. ^-^

Joe C,how can anyone NOT like this guy. Awesomely talented and fights ANYONE out there. Destroyed his 2 nearest challengers,unbeaten,about to kick B Ho's ass*hopefully* and listen,Pavlik is a monster,anyone that stands and trades with him is long gone,BUT I'd make a sig bet with anyone here that Joe would beat him or JT for that matter. Too many angles,too much speed for either of them. B Hop will be the toughest fight imo.

Great to hear him fighting for his legacy though and not calling out retired dudes or dudes 2 weight classes below him

Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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:coolclick: you saved me writing all of that myself. ;D

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Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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:coolclick: you saved me writing all of that myself. ;D

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LOL CC#195 mate ;D

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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1

Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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Come on fella, that's a haters opinion if ever i saw one. You can pull apart practically every fighters record like that. Can't be bothered going into all those fights but you beat who's in front of you. To use RJJ as an example:

John Ruiz (picked the smallest and weakest of the heavyweights just to claim a title)
McCallum (ancient)
Toney (weight drained)
Hopkins (green)
Malinga (old)
Plus throw in several nobodies and you have one destroyed record.

I'm a big Roy fan and know that's mostly bulls##t but you get my point.

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Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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Come on fella, that's a haters opinion if ever i saw one. You can pull apart practically every fighters record like that. Can't be bothered going into all those fights but you beat who's in front of you. To use RJJ as an example:

John Ruiz (picked the smallest and weakest of the heavyweights just to claim a title)
McCallum (ancient)
Toney (weight drained)
Hopkins (green)
Malinga (old)
Plus throw in several nobodies and you have one destroyed record.

I'm a big Roy fan and know that's mostly bulls##t but you get my point.

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Im not hating on Calzaghe im just saying noway is he top 20 of all time material.

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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1

Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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That's a pretty impressive group of names by anyones standards.

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Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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That's a pretty impressive group of names by anyones standards.

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What enough to be top 20 of all time ?

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Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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That's a pretty impressive group of names by anyones standards.

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What enough to be top 20 of all time ?

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nah, no way

just saying that's a decent group for any ONE fighter to have beaten ;)

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Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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Come on fella, that's a haters opinion if ever i saw one. You can pull apart practically every fighters record like that. Can't be bothered going into all those fights but you beat who's in front of you. To use RJJ as an example:

John Ruiz (picked the smallest and weakest of the heavyweights just to claim a title)
McCallum (ancient)
Toney (weight drained)
Hopkins (green)
Malinga (old)
Plus throw in several nobodies and you have one destroyed record.

I'm a big Roy fan and know that's mostly bulls##t but you get my point.

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Uhh McCallum after he lost to Roy Jones had his 3rd fight with James Toney. And gave Toney all he could handle and shortly before Jones fight he won Light Heavyweight title so he wasn't that ancient.

Ruiz weighed over 30+ pounds more than Jones, and when Jones won Heavyweight title that achievement had not been done in 106 years.

Toney was top 3 P4P fighter when Jones beat him, and Toney has always had trouble with his weight. Its still impressive how Jones dominated him.

It makes me laugh when people say Hopkins was green, but forget that fact Jones had even less fights than Hopkins.

And what do you mean Malinga was old ?? only 1 year before Jones fight he fought Nigel Benn, and a lot of people thought Malinga was robbed against Benn, and he also fought Eubank and only lost SD. When Malinga fought Jones he had never been stopped. And plus after Malinga lost to Jones, Malinga went on to out box a prime undefeated Robin Reid, and also Malinga went on to out point Nigel Benn in there 2nd fight. So your comments are false and totally wrong.

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Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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That's a pretty impressive group of names by anyones standards.

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What enough to be top 20 of all time ?

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nah, no way

just saying that's a decent group for any ONE fighter to have beaten ;)

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Im not as such slagging the opposition i making more of a point about people saying top 20 of all time.When Mayweather beat Oscar people were saying he would probably be in top 15 of all time this is a undefeated 5 weight world champ now there saying Calzaghe could be top 20.

Who said top 20.. only Bilbo i think?

I'm pretty sure old Bilbo had Hopkins in the top 20 all-time greats last year ;D

This list isn't in order.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Harry Greb
Jimmy Wilde
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Muhammad Ali
Sam Langford
Joe Gans
Archie Moore
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jack Johnson
Roberto Duran
Joe Louis
Benny Leonard
Gene Tunney
Sandy Saddler
Micky Walker
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns

Theres 20 boxers who will always be rated higher than Calzaghe i think people are going over the top. And are forgetting about other great fighters from the past. In fact i could name another 20 boxers who all have a case to be rated higher than Calzaghe.

That sounds well and good, but it's probably a hard fight to make, especially if Pavlik wins. It seems the plan is already set for Pavlik to go back to 160 after the Taylor fight, win or lose, to defend there for a little while. The only way it could happen is if Joe would be willing to come back down to 168, as I don't see Pavlik moving up to 175 at this stage of his career. Now, a Taylor win might make things more doable. Taylor had planned to vacate the 160 division anyway, and he might be more willing to go all the way up to 175 since that would be far and away a bigger money fight than anything he could get at 168. We'll see. Joe going up to 175 complicates things in terms of fighting the Pavlik-Taylor winner.

When it comes down to the crunch, who will be more marketable Jones Jr or Pavlik/Taylor?
It's all about $ these days and Joe Balls while well off hasn't made anywhere near the money he could have if he fought in the States earlier than he is with Hopkins. Nice comments from Joe but in the real world a Calzaghe V Jones Jr fight is going to sell it's ass off.

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Calzaghe ain't beatin Hopkins, so you guys got nothin to worry bout anyway. ^-^

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I will second that. It is a tough fight for him. He should not be looking past Hopkins but instead should be concentrated on how to beat him. Hopkins at 42 and still at the top 10 on the p4p list is Willie Pep like. Wow. Personally I think Pavlik would knock out Joe C. He is the hardest puncher he will face Kessler can hit but not like Pavlik. Pavlik has better tools and foot work than Kessler and is allot ore rangy and doesn't tire. But then again he has never went past the 8 th round.

Calzaghe should be interested in a fight with hopkins and that's it.

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Calzaghe ain't beatin Hopkins, so you guys got nothin to worry bout anyway. ^-^

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I will second that. It is a tough fight for him. He should not be looking past Hopkins but instead should be concentrated on how to beat him. Hopkins at 42 and still at the top 10 on the p4p list is Willie Pep like. Wow. Personally I think Pavlik would knock out Joe C. He is the hardest puncher he will face Kessler can hit but not like Pavlik. Pavlik has better tools and foot work than Kessler and is allot ore rangy and doesn't tire. But then again he has never went past the 8 th round.

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Kessler was throwing power punches all the way up to round 12. watch round 12 of the fight, it was joe's least competitive round in the whole fight. I think Kessler has a better jab and fundamentals than pavlik, but pavlik has the bigger punch.

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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1

Calzaghe beats a past his best weight drained Chris Eubank,A lucky win over Robin Reid,Richie Woodhall,Old Charles Brewer,Omar Sheika,Byron Mitchell,An overhyped Jeff Lacy,Hat off to him for his win over Mikkel Kessler but now he is fighting 43 year old Hopkins and now people are talking of Calzaghe being top 20 of all time don't make me laugh.

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Come on fella, that's a haters opinion if ever i saw one. You can pull apart practically every fighters record like that. Can't be bothered going into all those fights but you beat who's in front of you. To use RJJ as an example:

John Ruiz (picked the smallest and weakest of the heavyweights just to claim a title)
McCallum (ancient)
Toney (weight drained)
Hopkins (green)
Malinga (old)
Plus throw in several nobodies and you have one destroyed record.

I'm a big Roy fan and know that's mostly bulls##t but you get my point.

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Uhh McCallum after he lost to Roy Jones had his 3rd fight with James Toney. And gave Toney all he could handle and shortly before Jones fight he won Light Heavyweight title so he wasn't that ancient.

Ruiz weighed over 30+ pounds more than Jones, and when Jones won Heavyweight title that achievement had not been done in 106 years.

Toney was top 3 P4P fighter when Jones beat him, and Toney has always had trouble with his weight. Its still impressive how Jones dominated him.

It makes me laugh when people say Hopkins was green, but forget that fact Jones had even less fights than Hopkins.

And what do you mean Malinga was old ?? only 1 year before Jones fight he fought Nigel Benn, and a lot of people thought Malinga was robbed against Benn, and he also fought Eubank and only lost SD. When Malinga fought Jones he had never been stopped. And plus after Malinga lost to Jones, Malinga went on to out box a prime undefeated Robin Reid, and also Malinga went on to out point Nigel Benn in there 2nd fight. So your comments are false and totally wrong.

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Ice Im with you on the Malinga fight.Prepare to laugh but I think that is one of Jones beat performances and a highlight reel one punch KO vs. a very under the radar clever and capable Fighter.

On the other hand,There is no question McCallum Vs. Jones was a match of "today vs. yesterday".I rate McCallum amongst my top favorites all time and yes He won Lt.Heavy belt,But he also Lost it prior to Jones fight.Somehow the crooked polotics saw fit to claim Jones as interim Champ and match the two for Tiozzo's stripped title...after Tiozzo had defeated McCallum.Their fight was almost a glorified sparring session with the exception of last couple of rounds...Jones showed waaaay to much respect ,It looked in the last half of the fight that McCallum had his hands tied to his feet,this was the proverbial crossroads fight with Jones coming in off sensational streek hitting his stride and McCallum watching the sun set on an outstanding career.
That Toney vs.McCallum third fight was alot of Mike displaying his ring wisdom and technical prowess and Toney being sandwiched in between 2 losses and displaying his all to often prowess for being undisciplined with condition at that point.The fact that it was McCallums last fight...? Not trying to break balls Ice & you know I love the insight ya bring but I respect Mike To much to stay zipped up & lead anyone to believe that Jones defeated a top notch McCallum at that late stage.

Jones does deserve all respect for Victory over Hopkins in what was a great matchup between two fighters that anyone with eyes could see were going to be something special.The only green I would concede would be Hopkins lack of Jones amateur/Olympic pedigree and career.Those were Hopkins full throttle days when he tried to remove fighters from there senses,a little raw yes but Hopkins non the less.Arguably Jone's biggest victory.

Calzaghe ain't even best british fighter of all time i would give that to Lennox Lewis. ;)

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Calzaghe ain't even best british fighter of all time i would give that to Lennox Lewis. ;)

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lewis got kayoed by fighters he shouldn't even be losing a decision too.

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Calzaghe ain't even best british fighter of all time i would give that to Lennox Lewis. ;)

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lewis got kayoed by fighters he shouldn't even be losing a decision too.

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He avenged both those losses, convincingly.

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Calzaghe ain't even best british fighter of all time i would give that to Lennox Lewis. ;)

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lewis got kayoed by fighters he shouldn't even be losing a decision too.

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If u compare Lewis's record to Joe Calzaghes it just shits all over Joe's.
Lewis fought and beat
Tyson
Holyfield
Klitschko
Bruno
Morrison
Moorer
Rahman
Tua
Mccall
need i say more?

Why don't you throw in:
Mercer
Ruddock
Golota
Botha

The last two he iced in like 1 round.

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Calzaghe ain't even best british fighter of all time i would give that to Lennox Lewis. ;)

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lewis got kayoed by fighters he shouldn't even be losing a decision too.

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If u compare Lewis's record to Joe Calzaghes it just shits all over Joe's.
Lewis fought and beat
Tyson
Holyfield
Klitschko
Bruno
Morrison
Moorer
Rahman
Tua
Mccall
need i say more?

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Joe's career isn't over yet, if he beats hopkins then taylor-pavlik winner then he surpasses lennox