Is antonio margarito unerestimating zab?

i just read the first paragraph of boxingtalk's interview with antonio margarito, he seems to looking for the future when he states that he would like to fight either cotto or verron forest after zab.

shouldn't antonio be concentrating on zab, hes a tough oppenent. both fighter i think are no longer at the peak of their career, and i believe that antonio is good but not good enough to fight top contenders.

this is going to be zab's toughest fight in recent history that doesn't involve a title and not in the main event. i think he will do a lot better in this fight then his fights in the main event

~did anyone else read the rest of the article on boxingtalk? I'm not a member..-_-

If he's overlooking Zab,he is in for a big surprise. If I were judah,I would jump on Margarito early. Tony should have learnt his lesson with overlooking guys after Williams. He thought he was going to go in there,KTFO him out and fight Cotto but it didn't work out. ;D

Wow,I am surprised you have to be a member to read Tony's interviews now! Kind of shows he's at least slightly well known now!

I think that's because it's boxingtalk, not because it was a Margarito interview.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

If he's overlooking Zab,he is in for a big surprise. If I were judah,I would jump on Margarito early. Tony should have learnt his lesson with overlooking guys after Williams. He thought he was going to go in there,KTFO him out and fight Cotto but it didn't work out. ;D

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Exactly what I was thinking. He has made this mistake before. Judah jumps on everyone early doesn't he? Should make for an interesting fight.

yea but he fades later in the fight, im hoping judah changes his style up and fight in the mid and late rounds

Yes just like he did against Cotto . Miguels pressure was constant though and that took it's toll on "SupA JudAH".

I know i am going to be shot down in flames for this but here goes....Zab will beat Margo!

Judah will dominate Margarito. For about a round or two. Other than that it should be all Margarito

I dont see Margarito as the type of guy who underestimates other fighters. He has had to work too hard to get where he is.

Zab hasn't won in forever so maybe he is just a little, but i think margarito remembers the williams lost like it was yesterday, so zab will have his full attention come fight time.

Zab Judah is physically inferior to Margarito. Zab has no chance whatsoever! Zab has quickness, but that's it! He has been defeated by three pressure fighters (Tszyu, Cotto, and Baldomir) and Margarito will be the most physically imposing of them all!! Zab has never proven to have the conditioning to keep these pressure fighters off him. And we all know Margarito does not slow down. it is easy to see that Zab will lose. Bet on it.

Nah,Hes to smart for that.Zab is still very fast early on and has flashes but If he thinks for a minute he can stand with Tony and walk through his rangy power he is mistaken.I'll bet the house on this one.

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I know i am going to be shot down in flames for this but here goes....Zab will beat Margo!

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i ain't shoooting you down i'm giving you a cc...=)

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I know i am going to be shot down in flames for this but here goes....Zab will beat Margo!

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want to do a profile bet on it?

I hope he does because i'd love to see Margarito get KTFO but I don't see it happening at the hands of Zab. :(

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Originally Posted by Althugz

I hope he does because i'd love to see Margarito get KTFO but I don't see it happening at the hands of Zab. :(

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Yeah I would love to see Margo lose by TKO as weel, not that I have anything against him or really like Zab... It's just that at this point in both their careers Margarito is exactly the kind of fighter Judah should stay the hell away from... He could be the biggest strongest guy Zab has ever fought, and Judah's confidence level is probably lower than ever.. I don't know if Judah will even be able to hurt Tony, though he should land some good shots early.. I would like to see him have another good win though. Like him as a fighter.

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I hope he does because i'd love to see Margarito get KTFO but I don't see it happening at the hands of Zab. :(

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Yeah I would love to see Margo lose by TKO as weel, not that I have anything against him or really like Zab... It's just that at this point in both their careers Margarito is exactly the kind of fighter Judah should stay the hell away from... He could be the biggest strongest guy Zab has ever fought, and Judah's confidence level is probably lower than ever.. I don't know if Judah will even be able to hurt Tony, though he should land some good shots early.. I would like to see him have another good win though. Like him as a fighter.

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I am 10000% certai that when Tony was slated to fight Floyd,you used to say Zab would destroy Tony. I remember we had hour after hour after hour of debates about it. Like I said then,and I'll say now,as long as Tony is focussed,he wins by stoppage. I want him to go out there,start early and finish Zab quicker than Cotto,make a statement.

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I know i am going to be shot down in flames for this but here goes....Zab will beat Margo!

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i ain't shoooting you down i'm giving you a cc...=)

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I imagine what could that do to MArgo's career you since he and Arum were calling him the most fear fighter.

ANd who will Cotto fight next. I hope Williams because I wan my boy to fight the best no just some mediocre Title holder's (does Baldo rings a bell).

If Tony loses,it would be catastrophic for his career. He would be the highest risk,lowest reward fighter out there!He HAS to win and look good imo,to get the fight with Cotto.

judah will look good early like usual, but margarito's pressure and constant punching will lead to him being tko'd again in the later rounds

I might be underestimating Judah but I don't think he has a chance. As a matter of fact I think this fight will end early.

Tony learned his lesson in the Williams fight...he has said so on several occasions that he knows his slow starts are a problem and what is what cost him his title....

He won't make the same mistake again...at least not anytime soon

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Originally Posted by Rican

Zab Judah is physically inferior to Margarito. Zab has no chance whatsoever! Zab has quickness, but that's it! He has been defeated by three pressure fighters (Tszyu, Cotto, and Baldomir) and Margarito will be the most physically imposing of them all!! Zab has never proven to have the conditioning to keep these pressure fighters off him. And we all know Margarito does not slow down. it is easy to see that Zab will lose. Bet on it.

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8) Hi Rican , I agree with you, in some of your arguments and also the last fight that Judah had i hearded that he even looked good, nobody can recuperate fast of few defeated , specially of Cotto fight , but Margarito is talking too much and he think that everybody fear him , i really would like that Judah prepare good for that fight man.... for give him a lesson or just give him some knockdowns that certainly could fustrate him no matter if he win. But we cant subestimate Judah yet he can bring surprise, who knows if he win.....Im going Judah ;)

I like both fighters a lot. I give Zab a decent chance in this fight if Antonio starts slow. If Antonio starts slow, Zap might be able to cut him. Antonio can get cut and Zab is really sharp and has sting on his punches early.

If Antonio does not get cut, Zab is going to have a long painful night I think. Antonio is just so big and strong and I don't know if Zab can make it to the final bell with him.

I give Zab credit though. His name gets knocked around in here a lot, but he has never ducked anyone and has fought the best. Same with Antonio, he will fight anyone. You have to respect guys like that. You just do not see this happening much these days.

Tipping my hat to both of them.

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Zab Judah is physically inferior to Margarito. Zab has no chance whatsoever! Zab has quickness, but that's it! He has been defeated by three pressure fighters (Tszyu, Cotto, and Baldomir) and Margarito will be the most physically imposing of them all!! Zab has never proven to have the conditioning to keep these pressure fighters off him. And we all know Margarito does not slow down. it is easy to see that Zab will lose. Bet on it.

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8) Hi Rican , I agree with you, in some of your arguments and also the last fight that Judah had i hearded that he even looked good, nobody can recuperate fast of few defeated , specially of Cotto fight , but Margarito is talking too much and he think that everybody fear him , i really would like that Judah prepare good for that fight man.... for give him a lesson or just give him some knockdowns that certainly could fustrate him no matter if he win. But we cant subestimate Judah yet he can bring surprise, who knows if he win.....Im going Judah ;)

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Judah will dominate Margarito. For about a round or two. Other than that it should be all Margarito

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Haha ;D

If Judah can check Margarito's chin early like he did to Cotto he just may knock him out. Cotto stood up to some HUGE shots (that I think will hurt him in the long run). Margarito has NO defense and whereas Williams beat him with accumulation, Judah just may be able to do it with power and speed. If Margarito is still around in 5 then it's all downhill for Zab.

My god...
It makes me laugh whenever I read posts about Zab today.....

Makes me wonder how much worst it was once Tyson was done and people would post that he wasnt.

Anyway... I said something a little over a year ago that Zab as a boxer would no longer exsist and TBH I don't think were too far from that becoming real. It makes me laugh cause if as a BOXING you can't see that Zabs done then that means your looking at him as a ZAB fan and not a BOXING fan.

The type of beating he took from Cotto is not something that can be shooken off just like that. Don't believe me ask those and do some research on those who have fallen before and see how quickly they recovered.....

Margarito will TKO him sooner then Cotto I can't see Zab taking too many Margarito shots. Cotto has good power BUT Margarito has heavier hands and when he hits you you'll feel it. Zab ducked Margarito for a while I'm glad Margarito is saying those things... Good for him, make Zab feel like a bitch and a has been. Cause that's what he is......

[quote=Macho ]

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Originally Posted by Rican

, but Margarito is talking too much and he think that everybody fear him , i really would like that Judah prepare good for that fight man.... for give him a lesson or just give him some knockdowns that certainly could fustrate him no matter if he win.

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Exactly what I would love to see macho! Also exactly the reason I hate Margarito..all the hype about being most feared welterweight when all he has is power..trying to springboard off of Floyds name..beaten easily by Paul Williams..and THEN calls the fight a robbery over and over. What am I supposed to like about this prick? I like people who talk but can back it up.
He K.O's Judah though unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

My god...
It makes me laugh whenever I read posts about Zab today.....

Makes me wonder how much worst it was once Tyson was done and people would post that he wasnt.

Anyway... I said something a little over a year ago that Zab as a boxer would no longer exsist and TBH I don't think were too far from that becoming real. It makes me laugh cause if as a BOXING you can't see that Zabs done then that means your looking at him as a ZAB fan and not a BOXING fan.

The type of beating he took from Cotto is not something that can be shooken off just like that. Don't believe me ask those and do some research on those who have fallen before and see how quickly they recovered.....

Margarito will TKO him sooner then Cotto I can't see Zab taking too many Margarito shots. Cotto has good power BUT Margarito has heavier hands and when he hits you you'll feel it. Zab ducked Margarito for a while I'm glad Margarito is saying those things... Good for him, make Zab feel like a bitch and a has been. Cause that's what he is......

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Very good posting,CC in 24 my friend. I really like the last paragraph.

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Originally Posted by liquid

If Judah can check Margarito's chin early like he did to Cotto he just may knock him out. Cotto stood up to some HUGE shots (that I think will hurt him in the long run). Margarito has NO defense and whereas Williams beat him with accumulation, Judah just may be able to do it with power and speed. If Margarito is still around in 5 then it's all downhill for Zab.

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Riiiiight,so Williams landed 22% of his 1000 plus punches because Margarito has no defence?Margarito wasn't,I don't know,BLOCKING some of those punches? Or was he using lateral movement to avoid them?Jeeeez.

Right on Gamo.
If you watch the fight closely and pay attention to Williams punches you'll notice Margarito catch a lot of Williams punches off his glove hence why writers, reporters and some people had the fight going different ways. Those who felt Williams punches weren't clean and effective saw the fight for Margarito. Those who at 1st glance saw the punches felt the punches landed and therefor Williams accumilated points.

I won't argue the decision as I thought he won but to say Zab will stop Margarito is stretching it and heres why.
Can anyone here tell me when they have ever seen Margarito on the canvas?
Or better yet hurt from a punch?
Go ahead run a google search or go to BoxRec I'll be here waiting........... :)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Right on Gamo.
If you watch the fight closely and pay attention to Williams punches you'll notice Margarito catch a lot of Williams punches off his glove hence why writers, reporters and some people had the fight going different ways. Those who felt Williams punches weren't clean and effective saw the fight for Margarito. Those who at 1st glance saw the punches felt the punches landed and therefor Williams accumilated points.

I won't argue the decision as I thought he won but to say Zab will stop Margarito is stretching it and heres why.
Can anyone here tell me when they have ever seen Margarito on the canvas?
Or better yet hurt from a punch?
Go ahead run a google search or go to BoxRec I'll be here waiting........... :)

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EXACTLY. I thought PW won that fight too but as you said,the ringside observers had it for Tony based on the fact that he landed the harder punches. He was definitely making PW miss alot.

Man,Tony ate the right uppercut from Clottey,the one he walked into and he didn't even flinch. That was awesome. He took a the odd bomb from Cintron. I think the last time Tony was down was v Danny Perez in 99 in the first round.The last time he was hurt,I'd say was v Santos,in the frst round again but those are 2 big big dudes.The only 2 other times Tony has been down was when he was young,a teen and starting boxing.

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Right on Gamo.
If you watch the fight closely and pay attention to Williams punches you'll notice Margarito catch a lot of Williams punches off his glove hence why writers, reporters and some people had the fight going different ways. Those who felt Williams punches weren't clean and effective saw the fight for Margarito. Those who at 1st glance saw the punches felt the punches landed and therefor Williams accumilated points.

I won't argue the decision as I thought he won but to say Zab will stop Margarito is stretching it and heres why.
Can anyone here tell me when they have ever seen Margarito on the canvas?
Or better yet hurt from a punch?
Go ahead run a google search or go to BoxRec I'll be here waiting........... :)

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EXACTLY. I thought PW won that fight too but as you said,the ringside observers had it for Tony based on the fact that he landed the harder punches. He was definitely making PW miss alot.

Man,Tony ate the right uppercut from Clottey,the one he walked into and he didn't even flinch. That was awesome. He took a the odd bomb from Cintron. I think the last time Tony was down was v Danny Perez in 99 in the first round.The last time he was hurt,I'd say was v Santos,in the frst round again but those are 2 big big dudes.The only 2 other times Tony has been down was when he was young,a teen and starting boxing.

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Sorry but i find it hard to believe that anyone would score the fight for Margarito without seriously biased scoring. Williams won the first 5 rounds comfortably Margarito did comeback strong in middle rounds, and it was quite close going into 12th but Williams erased any doubt by winning the 12th round clearly. Tony did land the harder shots but he was seriously out punched in the early going and i can't see anyone giving Tony any of the early rounds with biased scoring. And i wouldn't take too much notice of these so called *Ring Side Reporters* or etc. Because one of them had Leonard winning 117-111, and another had Haglerwinning 117-112, and there were all kinds of wacky scorecards. I just had a quick look at one ringside reporters scorecards and he had it 116-112 for Margarito ?? are you kidding me ?? thats some of the worst biased scoring i've ever seen, i find it hard to believe anyone would give Margarito a draw let alone having him winning the fight.

Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

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Originally Posted by liquid

If Judah can check Margarito's chin early like he did to Cotto he just may knock him out. Cotto stood up to some HUGE shots (that I think will hurt him in the long run). Margarito has NO defense and whereas Williams beat him with accumulation, Judah just may be able to do it with power and speed. If Margarito is still around in 5 then it's all downhill for Zab.

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I don't think so Margarito has been in there with Cintron who hits harder than Judah, and he tested Margarito's chin early and Margarito wasn't even effected one bit. Margarito's defense isn't the best but i still think his defense is slightly underrated. He did block a lot of Williams punches like other people have said, the only problem i have with Margarito is that his punches are too wide. If he learnt better punching technique shortening his punches he would be so much better.

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Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

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So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ?? i thought basically everyone had Williams winning the first 5 rounds at least and lets just say for arguments sake that Williams won first 4 rounds instead of 5 yes ?? then still how can he come up with that scoring ?? when Williams for certain won 12th round that would still mean Williams won 5 rounds, its virtually impossible not to have Williams winning more than 4 rounds without biased scoring. I thought the fight was pretty close going into 12th but like i said earlier Williams won the 12th round erasing any doubt in most peoples eyes including mine.

And you say this writer has been writing longer than i've been born which is probably true. But his knowledge for his age certainly isn't showing with a ridiculous scorecard like that.

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Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

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So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ?? i thought basically everyone had Williams winning the first 5 rounds at least and lets just say for arguments sake that Williams won first 4 rounds instead of 5 yes ?? then still how can he come up with that scoring ?? when Williams for certain won 12th round that would still mean Williams won 5 rounds, its virtually impossible not to have Williams winning more than 4 rounds without biased scoring. I thought the fight was pretty close going into 12th but like i said earlier Williams won the 12th round erasing any doubt in most peoples eyes including mine.

And you say this writer has been writing longer than i've been born which is probably true. But his knowledge for his age certainly isn't showing with a ridiculous scorecard like that.

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Read my post properly and then respond,as I've already given answers to your questions. I'm not excusing their scorecards but certainly a large majority of ringside scorers had the fight for Tony.They saw the impact of his blows and the bodywork,I still disagree with them though.

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Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

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So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ?? i thought basically everyone had Williams winning the first 5 rounds at least and lets just say for arguments sake that Williams won first 4 rounds instead of 5 yes ?? then still how can he come up with that scoring ?? when Williams for certain won 12th round that would still mean Williams won 5 rounds, its virtually impossible not to have Williams winning more than 4 rounds without biased scoring. I thought the fight was pretty close going into 12th but like i said earlier Williams won the 12th round erasing any doubt in most peoples eyes including mine.

And you say this writer has been writing longer than i've been born which is probably true. But his knowledge for his age certainly isn't showing with a ridiculous scorecard like that.

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Read my post properly and then respond,as I've already given answers to your questions. I'm not excusing their scorecards but certainly a large majority of ringside scorers had the fight for Tony.They saw the impact of his blows and the bodywork,I still disagree with them though.

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I did read your post properly and i responded to everything you said in your post. You just said yourself you disagree with the scores so do i so does everyone on this forum so its bit irrelevant isn't it ?? they always have wacky scorecards for every fight i already gave you examples of the Hagler vs Leonard fight.

Your questions:

So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ??

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Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

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I hope this helps.