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What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
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Originally Posted by amat
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
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a lost to floyd against any fighter will be severe, a lost has a greater effect on a fighter when his on his prime and especially undefeated. a fighter that loses before his prime is not that bad but at floyds position a lost will be severe. i agree gamo, i don't think floyd can afford to lose. no wonder he keeps trying to play that "im retired" card, and he avoids fighting good fighter after good fighter that is not a weight below him or a fighter past it and not even in his weightclass.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
I agree, Gamo.
If Floyd were to lose to Oscar, that severely lowers his legacy. Floyd (and many of his fans, including myself) think of Floyd as a truly great fighter. Great fighters of Floyd's level don't lose in their prime to opponents like Oscar, who is a good (not great) fighter who is past his prime.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
My stomach turns at the thought.....Trilogy!It puts Oscar back in the limelight (did he ever leave) and back in our faces.
Mayweather would be exposed as great but mortal man.Oh and he would blame his hurt hands.And all the other welters would sort it out amongst themselves with out the mega pimp cash battles they may deserve against both while These two wait another year and a half :-X most likely without taking large chances.
Dear god, for the first time I am rooting for Mayweather to beat this Diva up and down.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd\'s legacy?
It\'ll set up a 3rd fight that\'s for sure
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
Mayweather will not loose on purpose one thing he prides more than his money is his legacy.
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I think a lot careers in boxing come around full circle. Oscar is to Mayweather pretty much what Chavez was to Oscar. An aging legend that still had his name and would stand out on a resume. Oscar wont beat Floyd, but like Chavez, Oscar will come away with his legacy intact and some extra $$
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Unless Mayweather gets robbed if he were to lose this fight in My mind at least he would loss his top p4p#1 spot, and he would lose credibility as a great fighter. By now a cerebral guy like him should have Oscar pretty figured out, and the next fight should be even more one sided than the first one. The only other way I would forgive him is if its a flash knockout because Oscar does hit really hard, but even then he should getting caught really cleanly in this fight, and when he was in the first fight it didn't do anything.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Unless Mayweather gets robbed if he were to lose this fight in My mind at least he would loss his top p4p#1 spot, and he would lose credibility as a great fighter. By now a cerebral guy like him should have Oscar pretty figured out, and the next fight should be even more one sided than the first one. The only other way I would forgive him is if its a flash knockout because Oscar does hit really hard, but even then he should getting caught really cleanly in this fight, and when he was in the first fight it didn't do anything.
Excellent points. The only thing I disagree with is the Oscar hitting really hard. He probably does...but only with the left hook, and no guy, imo, is beating Floyd with just 1 punch. If Floyd blocks and defends v Oscar's left hook, he'll win easy again imo. Oscar's right has been redundant for years and so has his jab.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Excellent points. The only thing I disagree with is the Oscar hitting really hard. He probably does...but only with the left hook, and no guy, imo, is beating Floyd with just 1 punch. If Floyd blocks and defends v Oscar's left hook, he'll win easy again imo. Oscar's right has been redundant for years and so has his jab.
Ya, I agree.
Oscar is a good puncher, but he hasn't been a one-punch KO type of guy since back when he was fighting in the 130s. His KO's, like the one against Vargas, only came after Oscar has softened his opponent up for multiple rounds by landing lots of clean punches.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Mayweather will not loose on purpose one thing he prides more than his money is his legacy.
i disagree....if he cared about his legacy more than money wht the hell is he fighting oscar again, he could have easily fought shane or cotto...i guarantee pbf vs shane would make him at least 15mil there's no way in hell he can justify fighting oscar over cotto or shane as far as his legacy goes other than $$$$....
So I could believe that he will throw the fight and set up hopefully the biggest payday in his life in a trilogy with oscar...although i think he will learn in this fight that he should have left well enough alone ad might get starched in this fight...I hope not but its more likely than before...think about when oscar fought shane the second time oscar was much better...this time floyd will get hurt....
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
So I could believe that he will throw the fight and set up hopefully the biggest payday in his life in a trilogy with oscar...
No offense, but you are out of your mind if you think Floyd would throw a fight, just as the people were out of their mind who suggested that Oscar may have intentionally lost the first fight.
These are two world-class athletes who have busted their a** since they were toddlers to become championship fighters. Guys like Mayweather and De La Hoya would go all-out to beat anyone in a game of checkers, let alone a fight.
The idea that either one of these guys would try to lose a fight is ridiculous.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
So I could believe that he will throw the fight and set up hopefully the biggest payday in his life in a trilogy with oscar...
No offense, but you are out of your mind if you think Floyd would throw a fight, just as the people were out of their mind who suggested that Oscar may have intentionally lost the first fight.
These are two world-class athletes who have busted their a** since they were toddlers to become championship fighters. Guys like Mayweather and De La Hoya would go all-out to beat anyone in a game of checkers, let alone a fight.
The idea that either one of these guys would try to lose a fight is ridiculous.
i guess oscar didn't flop in the the fight against bhop? Yeah i can believe that its unlikely but who knows floyd might have convinced himself that by facing the old guy he's already beaten. The man who has now lost 4 out of 5, his only victory coming against a terrible boxer who also was coming of a long layoff (mayorga)..yeah facing delahoya is just about money$$$$ please is not too far fetched that floyd and ellerbe said
"man imagine how much money we'd make if people really believed that oscar is still good",
it might be a stretch but it not unlikely for a money driven guy like floyd to do it clearly he doesn't care about beating the best competition out there....he could beat mosley and still make around 15-20mill and that would help his legacy more than beating delahoya for around the same amount because this foight won't generate that same amount as the first one in which he took around 23 mill
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
So I could believe that he will throw the fight and set up hopefully the biggest payday in his life in a trilogy with oscar...
No offense, but you are out of your mind if you think Floyd would throw a fight, just as the people were out of their mind who suggested that Oscar may have intentionally lost the first fight.
These are two world-class athletes who have busted their a** since they were toddlers to become championship fighters. Guys like Mayweather and De La Hoya would go all-out to beat anyone in a game of checkers, let alone a fight.
The idea that either one of these guys would try to lose a fight is ridiculous.
i guess oscar didn't flop in the the fight against bhop? Yeah i can believe that its unlikely but who knows floyd might have convinced himself that by facing the old guy he's already beaten. The man who has now lost 4 out of 5, his only victory coming against a terrible boxer who also was coming of a long layoff (mayorga)..yeah facing delahoya is just about money$$$$ please is not too far fetched that floyd and ellerbe said
"man imagine how much money we'd make if people really believed that oscar is still good",
it might be a stretch but it not unlikely for a money driven guy like floyd to do it clearly he doesn't care about beating the best competition out there....he could beat mosley and still make around 15-20mill and that would help his legacy more than beating delahoya for around the same amount because this foight won't generate that same amount as the first one in which he took around 23 mill
No, he didn't flop against BHop.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
i guess oscar didn't flop in the the fight against bhop? Yeah i can believe that its unlikely but who knows floyd might have convinced himself that by facing the old guy he's already beaten. The man who has now lost 4 out of 5, his only victory coming against a terrible boxer who also was coming of a long layoff (mayorga)..yeah facing delahoya is just about money$$$$ please is not too far fetched that floyd and ellerbe said
"man imagine how much money we'd make if people really believed that oscar is still good",
it might be a stretch but it not unlikely for a money driven guy like floyd to do it clearly he doesn't care about beating the best competition out there....he could beat mosley and still make around 15-20mill and that would help his legacy more than beating delahoya for around the same amount because this foight won't generate that same amount as the first one in which he took around 23 mill
You have to be kidding. These guys are the very top tier of the hardest sport in the world. If either one of them had this kind of mentality, they never would have made it this far in the first place.
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Sweet Pea, El Gamo did you guys see Oscar's fight against iron chined Mayorga? He knocked him down with a left hook in the first round when Trinidad wasn't able to knock Mayorga down with a head shot, and had to go to the body to take him out in the 8 round or something.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
I don't care I wont see this fight unless I really had nothing to do. But one thing is for certain I won't pay shit for this
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
I don't care I wont see this fight unless I really had nothing to do. But one thing is for certain I won't pay S*** for this
Wow, what an advid boxing fan you are.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
HUGE....
If PBF looses you can rest assured he falls waaaaay down the lists...
It easier to fall off then to climb up any slip and forget it he falls waaay down. Don't believe me see RJJ pre-Tarver/Johnson and then look at RJJ post-Tarver/Johnson. :)
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
i guess oscar didn't flop in the the fight against bhop? Yeah i can believe that its unlikely but who knows floyd might have convinced himself that by facing the old guy he's already beaten. The man who has now lost 4 out of 5, his only victory coming against a terrible boxer who also was coming of a long layoff (mayorga)..yeah facing delahoya is just about money$$$$ please is not too far fetched that floyd and ellerbe said
"man imagine how much money we'd make if people really believed that oscar is still good",
it might be a stretch but it not unlikely for a money driven guy like floyd to do it clearly he doesn't care about beating the best competition out there....he could beat mosley and still make around 15-20mill and that would help his legacy more than beating delahoya for around the same amount because this foight won't generate that same amount as the first one in which he took around 23 mill
You have to be kidding. These guys are the very top tier of the hardest sport in the world. If either one of them had this kind of mentality, they never would have made it this far in the first place.
mentalities change as a fighter gets older...esp in the case of oscar, a fighter who's never beaten a prime A rated fighter..and he clearly flopped against bhopkins, although he would have lost anyway he flopped on the body shot....
but i don't think in this fight it will be oscar it will be floyd....
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Sorry Sweetpea,you and I are usually on the same page but there is no dount in my mind,Oscar DID flop v B Hop and something was very very strange there.
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Sweet Pea, El Gamo did you guys see Oscar's fight against iron chined Mayorga? He knocked him down with a left hook in the first round when Trinidad wasn't able to knock Mayorga down with a head shot, and had to go to the body to take him out in the 8 round or something.
Of course I did bro but that's against "I use my head as defence" Ricardo Mayorga. Not Mayweather who is a defensive master. I am in AWE when I see this guy's defence in some of his fights! Anyway,Oscar has 1 big punch,the left hook. If Floyd nullifies that,Floyd wins.
As for the Tito point,Dude,Tito RUINED Mayorga and beat the punch resistance out of him,as he did to ALOT of Oscar opponents,before Oscar decided to fight them and steal the honours. Vargas,Campas,Carr etc etc etc. Tito gave them all shlackings,they were NEVER the same after Tito hammered them. Vargas went from a fresh faced youngster to a shot,punch drunk fighter after their fight,Oscar just picked up the pieces.Ditto Mayorga.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Sorry Sweetpea,you and I are usually on the same page but there is no dount in my mind,Oscar DID flop v B Hop and something was very very strange there.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Sweet Pea, El Gamo did you guys see Oscar's fight against iron chined Mayorga? He knocked him down with a left hook in the first round when Trinidad wasn't able to knock Mayorga down with a head shot, and had to go to the body to take him out in the 8 round or something.
Of course I did bro but that's against "I use my head as defence" Ricardo Mayorga. Not Mayweather who is a defensive master. I am in AWE when I see this guy's defence in some of his fights! Anyway,Oscar has 1 big punch,the left hook. If Floyd nullifies that,Floyd wins.
As for the Tito point,Dude,Tito RUINED Mayorga and beat the punch resistance out of him,as he did to ALOT of Oscar opponents,before Oscar decided to fight them and steal the honours. Vargas,Campas,Carr etc etc etc. Tito gave them all shlackings,they were NEVER the same after Tito hammered them. Vargas went from a fresh faced youngster to a shot,punch drunk fighter after their fight,Oscar just picked up the pieces.Ditto Mayorga.
Ditto and OScar dropped MAyorga with that left hook because Mayorga was off balance
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
I will begin by saying, that I will not be picking against Mayweather in any fight from now one. Having soundly beaten my man Ricky he deserves his credit and I will also lend my support and I hope hae can prove himself to be the best fighter of our time and an ATG.
Without doubt a loss to DLH would be hugely detrimental to his application to the ATG Foundation. Oscar is aged, battle worn and plain at this point in time and I for one feel he should have retired quite a while ago. While I don't completely dissapprove of this fight (I think Floyd is keeping loose before a cotto fight) I do feel that Oscar is demonstrating his greed once again and there are better fights.
Floyd wins by a wider margin this time.
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Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
I agree, Gamo.
If Floyd were to lose to Oscar, that severely lowers his legacy. Floyd (and many of his fans, including myself) think of Floyd as a truly great fighter. Great fighters of Floyd's level don't lose in their prime to opponents like Oscar, who is a good (not great) fighter who is past his prime.
Surely almost losing to Oscar damages his legacy as well then?
I mean one of the judges had him losing.
I personally feel that a loss will have a positive effect on his legacy. At the minute it's too easy to slag off his competition, so if he loses people may feel differently about certain aspects of his career.
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Make no mistake if Mayweather looses he will be slaughtered. Remember this is the guy who claims he is the greatest ever boxer in the history of the sport.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
I agree, Gamo.
If Floyd were to lose to Oscar, that severely lowers his legacy. Floyd (and many of his fans, including myself) think of Floyd as a truly great fighter. Great fighters of Floyd's level don't lose in their prime to opponents like Oscar, who is a good (not great) fighter who is past his prime.
Surely almost losing to Oscar damages his legacy as well then?
I mean one of the judges had him losing.
I personally feel that a loss will have a positive effect on his legacy. At the minute it's too easy to slag off his competition, so if he loses people may feel differently about certain aspects of his career.
I scored it 116-112 for Floyd and thought he clearly and undisputably won the fight. That 115-113 scorecard for Oscar was a case of a judge turning in a bad scorecard.
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Make no mistake if Mayweather looses he will be slaughtered. Remember this is the guy who claims he is the greatest ever boxer in the history of the sport.
If he looses I won't give Floyd crap he comes from 130 and still fighting a 154 guy.
Question wich good or champ 154 pounder has o\Oscar beat lately?
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It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
I agree, Gamo.
If Floyd were to lose to Oscar, that severely lowers his legacy. Floyd (and many of his fans, including myself) think of Floyd as a truly great fighter. Great fighters of Floyd's level don't lose in their prime to opponents like Oscar, who is a good (not great) fighter who is past his prime.
Surely almost losing to Oscar damages his legacy as well then?
I mean one of the judges had him losing.
I personally feel that a loss will have a positive effect on his legacy. At the minute it's too easy to slag off his competition, so if he loses people may feel differently about certain aspects of his career.
I scored it 116-112 for Floyd and thought he clearly and undisputably won the fight. That 115-113 scorecard for Oscar was a case of a judge turning in a bad scorecard.
As did i. I mean i thought it was quite comfortable but there was a lot of people who thought OScar won.
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I wouldn' hold a loss against Dela Hoya against Mayweather i mean he would be well out of his own weight but what would a win against Mayweather do for DLH's already well established legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Sorry Sweetpea,you and I are usually on the same page but there is no dount in my mind,Oscar DID flop v B Hop and something was very very strange there.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Sweet Pea, El Gamo did you guys see Oscar's fight against iron chined Mayorga? He knocked him down with a left hook in the first round when Trinidad wasn't able to knock Mayorga down with a head shot, and had to go to the body to take him out in the 8 round or something.
Of course I did bro but that's against "I use my head as defence" Ricardo Mayorga. Not Mayweather who is a defensive master. I am in AWE when I see this guy's defence in some of his fights! Anyway,Oscar has 1 big punch,the left hook. If Floyd nullifies that,Floyd wins.
As for the Tito point,Dude,Tito RUINED Mayorga and beat the punch resistance out of him,as he did to ALOT of Oscar opponents,before Oscar decided to fight them and steal the honours. Vargas,Campas,Carr etc etc etc. Tito gave them all shlackings,they were NEVER the same after Tito hammered them. Vargas went from a fresh faced youngster to a shot,punch drunk fighter after their fight,Oscar just picked up the pieces.Ditto Mayorga.
Ditto and OScar dropped MAyorga with that left hook because Mayorga was off balance
that wouldn't explain why he was hurt, also to El Game. Mayorga hadn't looked very good against SPinks already, he was the perfect opponent for Vernon FOrrest, but not a perfect opponent against speed or something who could box and punch. EIther way I don't think Mayorga looked any worse against Oscar or against Vargas than he did against Trinidad.
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All it means is we get a 3rd fight and no Cotto until the end of 2009! Ouch!
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If Cotto beats the right guys (Margarito, WIlliams, or Mosley again) he will continue to extent his legacy enough to force Floyd to fight him... I don't see there being PBF-ODLH 3 because once Floyd wins twice there will be no point for it. However, I wish Oscar was fighting somebody better than Steve Forbes because IMO he is going to rock this boy. I wish he fought a guy like COtto or Mosley(not likely he partner), or even Margarito who he would beat easily.
