OFFICIAL POLL: Enzo Maccarinelli v David Haye, WHO WINS AND WHY???

Okay the biggest British domestic fight since Eubank v Benn is just 6 weeks away and here is the official poll of who wins and why???

I've put forward a few questions you might want to consider and interviews at the press confernce with both men so here goes:

Enzo Maccarinelli.

Is he overrated fighting past-it fighters i.e. Braithwaite or no namers i.e. Gunn and is this the fight which exploits him against a true champion like Haye and shows he is not as good as many think ??.

After getting stopped by Lee Swaby surely Haye's power will be too much for him after Haye has 19 KO's in 21 fights ??

David Haye

After being dropped on occasions including the Mormeck fight and being KO'd against Carl Thompson how will he deal with Enzo's power in which research shows when Enzo's left hand hit's you flush it is the same speed as a Transit Van hitting you at 30 MPH, FACT!!! ??

How will he deal at the cruiserweight limit once again after stating he never had a proper meal during his training for the Mormeck fight so will he be severely weight drained??

His left hand: He always drops his left hand low and you seen he got caught by Mormeck and Enzo has more power then Mormeck and Haye has already stated he will keep his left hand low if not lower against Mormeck so will he get tagged once again but this time will he not get up??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=44KVeTLOGRw&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gak3JZ6eHv0&feature=related

Leftylee's view:

I feel this will be a fantastic fight and the fight poster reflect's it all "Bombs away" but I am concerned at how low Haye drops his left hand and feel Enzo will exploit this however Haye IMO has that little more in speed and power in which he will KO Enzo after getting up from the canvas himself around the 6th to 8th round however if Enzo grabs the victory I will not be surprised at all.

One thing I do hope is this does not end in just 1 or 2 rounds as that would be very disappointing.

YOUR VIEWS PLEASE?? ;D

Haye will spark Enzo in 1.

I'm pretty sure Enzo's arsehole is gonna go BIGTIME in this fight. About 30 seconds into the first round he'll realise he's in too deep.. 30 seconds later he'll be on the floor.. 30 seconds later still he'll come round from the smelling salts.

Hayes the proven fighter here as he knocked out Mormeck so that should give him the edge however im not sure Enzo would let him off the hook like Mock and Mormeck did . If Enzo gets him down he'll probably keep him down .

Haye would be better suited taking this fight at heavy cuz I think he is too chinny and drained at cruiser. He may have the experience though now to ride out the bad ptches and make his power tell in about 6 rounds .

David Haye is the best Cruiserweight in the World and also the hardest puncher of these two.

Maccarinelli has to try and take this fight to the later rounds and hope that Haye's weight draining affects him later on. Though Haye's stamina looked fine against Mormeck.

I think the 1st 2 rounds will be pretty cautious from both fighters and I expect Haye to stalk a high guarded Enzo around the ring. Both working the jab but when Haye lands that ramrod jab - Enzo is going to know that Haye is carrying the superior firepower.

I'll be surprised if Enzo makes it past the 5th. His chin is ok but Haye can Ko anyone and he will KO Enzo.

Haye's more agile and the quicker puncher and that is what will count = Speed of punch.

Haye TKO....

Why: Simply cause I'm a fan and I root for him.


I think Hayes been against the better opposition and has been tested. Enzo is the better skilled fighter and has the better boxing skills. Hayes a warrior and goes in to handle his business. 8)

Enzo to exploit trash-taking, glass jawed, hands low David Haye. Enzo K.O in rounds 1-4.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Enzo to exploit trash-taking, glass jawed, hands low David Haye. Enzo K.O in rounds 1-4.

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Althugz... Really curious as to why the hate for Haye?
I don't think I've ever read on here why you don't rate him/like him...

Ive gone with Haye by KO im a David Haye fan i want Haye to win i think he has the edge in KO power i think he will land first with his bombs with in 4 rounds.

This could go either way. I'm a fan of both, but more of Enzo so I want him to win (also to have a champion of the cruisers once Haye leaves).

Objectively, I believe the advantage is with Haye since he's had the better opposition, and I was impressed how he didn't panic when under pressure against Mormeck. IMO the best strategy for Enzo is to back him up as Haye doesn't have quite the same pop when on the back foot, Mormeck and the Italian guy had a lot of succes when backing him up at a high tempo, though Haye showed how devastating a finisher he is against both when you give him the opportunity.

This is going to be a war. I cannot wait for this fight. Haye has fought the better fighters and I think punch for punch is the bigger banger. Mac is just a monster though,I mean his body shots are sickening,I've seen a few of his fights(not many) but you can hear the body shots and can see the effect it has on the opponent.

The only thing I can guarantee is someone is getting KTFO out. I'm going for Haye to win. BTW guys,who has the better chin? I've only seen 3-4 fights of each fighter and have not seen either of their losses,all I know is they were both stopped and both have been down. I think in the end,this fight will come down to who has the higher punch resistance and heart,I don't think skill will have anything to do with it. It'll be bombs away!

And the variable at play which could effect the fight:What kind of condition is Haye in after struggling to make weight again?

I think Haye might come unstucke here. Frank said he'd walk away if Haye ever beat Enzo. We aint that lucky.

Going for the UD for Enzo...Enzo Calzaghe trained fighters are all trained with great fitness and they all keep a highworkrate...aslong as Enzo can avoid the bombs and take haye down the stretch he should be able to outwork Haye to the UD.

Haye on paper is obviusly the better champion, but who can bet against an Enzo Calzaghe trained fighter at the moment, Maccarinelli is bound to have a great gameplan.

Leftylee wrote

how will he deal with Enzo's power in which research shows when Enzo's left hand hit's you flush it is the same speed as a Transit Van hitting you at 30 MPH, FACT!!! ??


I don't even understand what this means. Taken literally it means that he punches at the same speed as a 30 mph van which means his punches are thrown at 30 mph which I'm not sure is what you meant?

If you are talking about power then its simply absurd and another example that people will believe anything if a scientist says it.

Ask yourself this. Which would you rather have to endure, an Enzo Maccerinelli punch flush on the jaw, OR being hit by a van at 30 mph.?

If you think the two are in any way comparable then you would literally believe anything that scientists told you.

As a UK based boxing fan, I thought was just a big British dust-up however it's good to see the fight has global appeal. The first thing about this fight is that I see it differently than most. In the sense that although the title is 'Bombs Always' insinuating that these are the two hardest punchers in the cruiserweight division (which they most likely are) I feel this fight will be won, not necessarily, by the hardest puncher, but by the fighter who can take the hardest punch. The strange thing about Haye is that although skill for skill he wins clearly against Maccarinelli. I feel that you don't have to be that good to beat him. By ‘That good’ I mean you don't have to be that skilful or have great hand speed or great foot work. Nope, what you need to have is resilience and a great chin the ability to keep coming back and throwing punches. Carl Thompson did not KO Haye, he just stuck around for long enough to withstand Haye's assault and then when Haye got dispirited and tired he stopped him and even the stoppage wasn't very conclusive as Thompson never hurt or knocked down Haye. Haye just had, had enough.

Maccarinelli on the other hand, is unknown in my opinion. Haye has the form and the credentials and Maccarinelli could get exposed in this fight, but my gut feeling is that Maccarinelli will win, not because he the better boxer or has more power, I just think he'll stick around long enough for Haye to tire and I'm more confident of Maccarinelli’s chin than I am Haye's and it's the who has the greater chin rather than who has the greater bombs which will decide this fight.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Leftylee wrote

how will he deal with Enzo's power in which research shows when Enzo's left hand hit's you flush it is the same speed as a Transit Van hitting you at 30 MPH, FACT!!! ??


I don't even understand what this means. Taken literally it means that he punches at the same speed as a 30 mph van which means his punches are thrown at 30 mph which I'm not sure is what you meant?

If you are talking about power then its simply absurd and another example that people will believe anything if a scientist says it.

Ask yourself this. Which would you rather have to endure, an Enzo Maccerinelli punch flush on the jaw, OR being hit by a van at 30 mph.?

If you think the two are in any way comparable then you would literally believe anything that scientists told you.

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What I meant was tests on Enzo's left hand shown before the Braithwaite fight said it had the same power as a transit van hitting you at 30mph.

And scientists never came up with it BTW people carried tests on when he hit the punch bag and had power ratings etc measured like on the Contender show when they measured the contestants punches and speed.

Im with Denilson on this, I thought he sumed it up well. Plus I think Enzo has better range in the Hole.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Haye TKO....

Why: Simply cause I'm a fan and I root for him.


I think Hayes been against the better opposition and has been tested. Enzo is the better skilled fighter and has the better boxing skills. Hayes a warrior and goes in to handle his business. 8)

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I'm not sold on Enzo's boxing skills to be honest. he was being outboxed by dominguez before he ko'd him, he was pretty much outboxed by hobson aswel.

He does have a good jab and he works the body quite well, but Haye has been in with the higher class so i have to side with him. Plus, like you, i'm a fan ;D

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Haye TKO....

Why: Simply cause I'm a fan and I root for him.


I think Hayes been against the better opposition and has been tested. Enzo is the better skilled fighter and has the better boxing skills. Hayes a warrior and goes in to handle his business. 8)

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I'm not sold on Enzo's boxing skills to be honest. he was being outboxed by dominguez before he ko'd him, he was pretty much outboxed by hobson aswel.

He does have a good jab and he works the body quite well, but Haye has been in with the higher class so i have to side with him. Plus, like you, i'm a fan ;D

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Good.
Then we both understand eachother, if no one else. :D

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Leftylee wrote

how will he deal with Enzo's power in which research shows when Enzo's left hand hit's you flush it is the same speed as a Transit Van hitting you at 30 MPH, FACT!!! ??


I don't even understand what this means. Taken literally it means that he punches at the same speed as a 30 mph van which means his punches are thrown at 30 mph which I'm not sure is what you meant?

If you are talking about power then its simply absurd and another example that people will believe anything if a scientist says it.

Ask yourself this. Which would you rather have to endure, an Enzo Maccerinelli punch flush on the jaw, OR being hit by a van at 30 mph.?

If you think the two are in any way comparable then you would literally believe anything that scientists told you.

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I agree with bilbo. That's got to be one of the stupidest things I ever read. For a minute there I thought "Super Groupie" Rob Lewis was the one who posted it. Not Lefty. Either way, Haye smashes Enzo in 3.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Enzo to exploit trash-taking, glass jawed, hands low David Haye. Enzo K.O in rounds 1-4.

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Althugz... Really curious as to why the hate for Haye?
I don't think I've ever read on here why you don't rate him/like him...

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I just hate his demeanour in and out of the ring. He's extremely arrogant and he lies. He blames his glass jaw on the weight he needs to make. Don't get me wrong I like arrogance if it can be backed up but he has fought a bunch of old guys (I can't remember who it was that made a list of his last 10 fights but there wasn't anyone under 30 years old). So I just don't see why everybody is so high on him..the only reason he has faced better opposition than Enzo is because he beat Jean Marc Mormeck..an impressive comeback, I can't take that away from him but I still believe he is just waiting to be exposed.
Also, I must admit..i've done a bit of training with a former Cruiserweight Champion who wants a piece when he comes back..so i'm also a tad biased ;)

Whats NOT to like about Haye? He knows he's not got the best of whiskers, has said it himself, I think in the clip thats on this thread he says as much, about the pair of them. He's not affraid to put it all on the line, chin or be chinned, gotta love it.

Althugz you've got obligations so feel free to dislike ;D

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Leftylee wrote

how will he deal with Enzo's power in which research shows when Enzo's left hand hit's you flush it is the same speed as a Transit Van hitting you at 30 MPH, FACT!!! ??


I don't even understand what this means. Taken literally it means that he punches at the same speed as a 30 mph van which means his punches are thrown at 30 mph which I'm not sure is what you meant?

If you are talking about power then its simply absurd and another example that people will believe anything if a scientist says it.

Ask yourself this. Which would you rather have to endure, an Enzo Maccerinelli punch flush on the jaw, OR being hit by a van at 30 mph.?

If you think the two are in any way comparable then you would literally believe anything that scientists told you.

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I agree with bilbo. That's got to be one of the stupidest things I ever read. For a minute there I thought "Super Groupie" Rob Lewis was the one who posted it. Not Lefty. Either way, Haye smashes Enzo in 3.

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Why on earth is that stupid ::**

For this fight I am again picking with my heart.
I would dearly love to see Enzo clinch this one and I feel he may have the tools to do so.
Maccarenelli is more natural at the weight, his stamina is better and in my view at least he's actually a better inside fighter. Haye is a good boxer, and has great power no doubt, but I feel Enzo fires in combination more and more frequently than Haye.

I feel Enzo will have to withstand a barrage early and to be honest Haye is damn good in the early going, but I feel should he weather it past 5 he will be dominant from that point on.

can this fight go past a round or two? im really not sure i just have a feeling it will be over in a flash, i can see enzo being out in round 1. saying that i hope and can see why it would last more rounds, it really is a pick em fight

This will either be a stinker or a war, sometimes when you get two big punchers facing against each other than can be sometimes too cautious. But me personally i think it will be a war with Haye stopping Enzo inside of 5 after Haye gets dropped in the 2nd round.

About the whole "Enzo hits as hard as a truck at 30mph" ..... assuming its a van and travelling at 30mph then hits someone, its not actually entirely illogical the force involved in Newtons psqi or pcm2 would be roughly equal to that of a a full left Enzo left hand.

Where not talk talking about the total force generated on impact (of which the truck impact would obviously have more total force in N) but N per square inch or square centimetre. Because the impact area of Enzo's hand is far far smaller in area, then on the measure of Force per square inch/centimetre then it could well be true ......... aswell as for a most heavyweights id imagine.

Oh yeah and i have absolutely no idea who's gonna win this one .... its a real toss up ;D

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Originally Posted by 1-hit Wonder

About the whole "Enzo hits as hard as a truck at 30mph" ..... assuming its a van and travelling at 30mph then hits someone, its not actually entirely illogical the force involved in Newtons psqi or pcm2 would be roughly equal to that of a a full left Enzo left hand.

Where not talk talking about the total force generated on impact (of which the truck impact would obviously have more total force in N) but N per square inch or square centimetre. Because the impact area of Enzo's hand is far far smaller in area, then on the measure of Force per square inch/centimetre then it could well be true ......... aswell as for a most heavyweights id imagine.

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Bro it's true ;D no need for all the Science like but it seems you are pretty good at it :laugh:.

I pick David by tko/ko as he seems to be carrying momentum, has bricks for fists and yet has enough vulnerabilities to make Enzo get careless against him.

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

This will either be a stinker or a war, sometimes when you get two big punchers facing against each other than can be sometimes too cautious. But me personally i think it will be a war with Haye stopping Enzo inside of 5 after Haye gets dropped in the 2nd round.

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No chance with these two, they don't do cautious. The worst outcome is it's all over in a flash.. an anticlimax.

Bombs away!!! 8)

im taking Haye to stop him late on! think itll be a great fight i just see Haye being the slightly more skillful fighter with better conditioning....will be interesting to see how good Enzo's chin is tho!

Wow just checking this this morning and I can't believe that Haye is such an overwhelming favourite!
I guess that it's justified, but I thought it would be closer!

I feel that Haye is the allround better boxer & if he uses those skills he will win by late stopage but if he goes out blazing it's anybodies fight. Macca on the other hand has not been in a fight where he has had to think, his last couple of fights have been a joke neither opponent was looking for a fight & wanted out before a punch was thrown how he copes with a live boxer in front of him remains to be seen

The one factor in this fight that remains to be answered is if Haye is weight drained it could have a big effect late on

I agree to an extent Tellboy, however I can't discredit Braithwaite. Although past his best he still wanted the win over Enzo and Macca dealt with it well and In my personal opinion boxed reasonably well.

I didnt think Braithwaite was interested at all Donny, he flirted with the idea of winning the fight but never really went for it. I thought Enzo boxed well too.

Well I put it down to faded ability and age but you could well be right Memphis.

Both guys are big big punchers, so either will always have that puncher's chance. But if you take a step back from the hype and assume that their big punches and shaky chins cancel; each other out, I think we forget that Haye has enormous amateur pedigree as well (I mean, a world championship silver medal and all etc etc). Haye is also the naturally bigger guy ....... is I would think he brings more to the party and hence is my favourite.

Strange things happen in boxing and any outcome is possible, but a Haye stoppage (possibly after a scare along the way) is my pick.

Haye is naturally 2.5 stone (35 pounds) heavier than Macarinelli! I think Haye will be so weight drained at 200lbs that he will get stopped!

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Haye is naturally 2.5 stone (35 pounds) heavier than Macarinelli! I think Haye will be so weight drained at 200lbs that he will get stopped!

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that is the big danger for Haye which may make him reckless early on

I remember getting terted for power. I had the speed and excelaration off a rocket with 3 ton impact, when they found out my car insurance went up ;D Bastards