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What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Margarito was the only, I repeat ONLY name WW who had the balls to fight them, and he did so back to back. Oh yeah, and Clottey was a voluntary defence! That's right, VOLUNTARY! I jsut find that amazing. In this day and age, where guys turn down huge sums of $$$$ for one reason or another, Tony,win,lose or draw, is so old school,willing to fight anyone. And remember, there were idiots saying he was ducking Paul... ;) ;)
Cotto(not Cotto himself,but certainly Arum has mentioned EVERYONE bar Williams, even Clottey has been mentioned)
Collazo(who's team didn't turn up at the purse bid for the fight v Clottey and he said Clottey wasn't a big enough fight before taking an untelevised fight last week v a no-name)
Cintron(didn't defend v mandatory Clottey)
And a a few other fighters, have turned down/ducked these fighters. The more they fight, the more Tony deserves credit because, regardless of the outcomes of the fights,he's been willing to fight them when no-one else has.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
They're both better than Antonio Margarito. ;D
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Margarito was the only, I repeat ONLY name WW who had the balls to fight them, and he did so back to back. Oh yeah, and Clottey was a voluntary defence! That's right, VOLUNTARY! I jsut find that amazing. In this day and age, where guys turn down huge sums of $$$$ for one reason or another, Tony,win,lose or draw, is so old school,willing to fight anyone. And remember, there were idiots saying he was ducking Paul... ;) ;)
Cotto(not Cotto himself,but certainly Arum has mentioned EVERYONE bar Williams, even Clottey has been mentioned)
Collazo(who's team didn't turn up at the purse bid for the fight v Clottey and he said Clottey wasn't a big enough fight before taking an untelevised fight last week v a no-name)
Cintron(didn't defend v mandatory Clottey)
And a a few other fighters, have turned down/ducked these fighters. The more they fight, the more Tony deserves credit because, regardless of the outcomes of the fights,he's been willing to fight them when no-one else has.
Yea you have to admire Margarito, Clottey and Williams are both the two most feared Welterweights at the moment. And Margarito didn't even have to fight Clottey he could of took a much easier fight so i admire Margarito for taking that fight. Another thing i dislike is when i hear people call Margarito a *bum*. Margarito made 7 defense's of Welterweight title and he hadn't lost at Welterweight in over a decade until Williams ended that streak. I think Margarito is very flawed but i enjoy watching him fight he is an exciting fighter and never ducks anyone pretty much what we all want to see in all of todays champions.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Yet Margarito wouldn't fight Cotto, and instead fought Williams... he had an oppertunity of prove himself, but he didn't take it. This makes me question whether he really wants to fight Cotto or at least whether he did at that point.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
They're both better than Antonio Margarito.   ;D
;D :coolclick:  The sad thing is regardless of what Margarito does he is as maketable as a wet peanut butter and jelly sandwich so no one is really interested in him at a mainstream level except a few hardcore fans....
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Originally Posted by shza
What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
They're both better than Antonio Margarito. ;D
I left myself wide open for tha huh? It's a shame though,since Tony has a W in the records next to Clottey's name ;) And the word robbery is never used in relation to that fight soo.... ::**
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Originally Posted by shza
What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
They're both better than Antonio Margarito. ;D
;D :coolclick: The sad thing is regardless of what Margarito does he is as maketable as a wet peanut butter and jelly sandwich so no one is really interested in him at a mainstream level except a few hardcore fans....
Sad click bro. I'm sorry,I have to. That's just stupid. Is Margarito exciting?Yes! Does he fight anyone? Yes! Did the fight v Williams draw a a dam big crowd?Yes! Is he marketable?definitely,given the right fights. SHZA,I can understand,he's a blind hater. You,I thought you were reasonable. :(
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Yet Margarito wouldn't fight Cotto, and instead fought Williams... he had an oppertunity of prove himself, but he didn't take it. This makes me question whether he really wants to fight Cotto or at least whether he did at that point.
You sir....are an idiot. No doubt about it. One of the first to say Marg was ducking Williams,no Tony wants to fight and is in line to fight Cotto, and well,he was ducking Cotto before? Totally foolish posting.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Margarito was the only, I repeat ONLY name WW who had the balls to fight them, and he did so back to back. Oh yeah, and Clottey was a voluntary defence! That's right, VOLUNTARY! I jsut find that amazing. In this day and age, where guys turn down huge sums of $$$$ for one reason or another, Tony,win,lose or draw, is so old school,willing to fight anyone. And remember, there were idiots saying he was ducking Paul... ;) ;)
Cotto(not Cotto himself,but certainly Arum has mentioned EVERYONE bar Williams, even Clottey has been mentioned)
Collazo(who's team didn't turn up at the purse bid for the fight v Clottey and he said Clottey wasn't a big enough fight before taking an untelevised fight last week v a no-name)
Cintron(didn't defend v mandatory Clottey)
And a a few other fighters, have turned down/ducked these fighters. The more they fight, the more Tony deserves credit because, regardless of the outcomes of the fights,he's been willing to fight them when no-one else has.
Yea you have to admire Margarito, Clottey and Williams are both the two most feared Welterweights at the moment. And Margarito didn't even have to fight Clottey he could of took a much easier fight so i admire Margarito for taking that fight. Another thing i dislike is when i hear people call Margarito a *bum*. Margarito made 7 defense's of Welterweight title and he hadn't lost a Welterweight in over a decade until Williams ended that streak. I think Margarito is very flawed but i enjoy watching him fight he is an exciting fighter and never ducks anyone pretty much what we all want to see in all of todays champions.
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CC #2320 Good post ;)
CC's guys,common sense posting. Not too much to ask yet so few and few between nowadays ;D
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Ok,ok, so I'm not going to sad click JT because he's 1 of my fave posters and I'm coward. ;D I do totally disagree though,I mean I thought a Lacy fan who saw his guy rise to the top fighting Sheikas and guys of that ilk and then seeing get ANNIHILATED would have some sympathy respect for Tony. Guess not ;D Bas$%&*$ ;D
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Originally Posted by shza
What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
They're both better than Antonio Margarito. ;D
Hahaha! ;D
But seriously El, Good point ;)
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Hey El Game, how come Cotto/Top Rank offered Margarito a deal and he backed out... I can't see anyone thinking not fighting Williams to fight Cotto would be considered ducking in any sense. So your the idiot for not knowing the facts that there was a fight set up and Margarito backed out of it to fight Williams.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Hey El Game, how come Cotto/Top Rank offered Margarito a deal and he backed out... I can't see anyone thinking not fighting Williams to fight Cotto would be considered ducking in any sense. So your the idiot for not knowing the facts that there was a fight set up and Margarito backed out of it to fight Williams.
Actually,you are wrong here my friend. Top Rank wanted him to fight Cotto. In order to do so,he had to vacate his title,the title he had defended SEVEN times and worked hard to keep. So he declined. Top Rank didn't like this so took him to court whereby they allowed a fight with PW ONLY if Marg was victorius,he would HAVE to fight Miguel. Tony said yes. Had he not fought Wlliams,he would have been stripped and he would have been accused of ducking PW(as he was by alot of guys here). Margarito didn't BACK OUT of anything,he would have fought Cotto and hopefully is going to fight Cotto.
If you think Marg is ducking Cotto,you are a totally confused because as I said before,you,frozen and alot of others were saying Marg is ducking PW etc etc. He fights him,now Marg is ducking Cotto,even though he may fight him this year?
*Sorry for calling you an idiot.*
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
i respect margarito for that, he's a true warrior
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Noone is saying Marg doesn't have balls, Gamo... But I think you are missing a huge aspect of this. Margarito fought those guys, because he doesn't have the ability to pick and choose who he fights... He's not in the drivers seat, like Mayweather, DLH, and now Cotto are. Those guys could potentially fight a number of top WW's and make millions. Toney cant, he needs to keep fighting these dangerous guys, because his only other option is fighting bums that will garner him no credit and no money. I realize Clottey was a voluntary defence, and fair enough he deserves prop's for taking that fight... BUT, he NEEDED to take those dangerous fights in order for people not to completely forget about him. If he'd gone and fought another Golden Johnson or two instead of Clottey and Williams, he would basically be a non factor in the division today. He doesn't have a large fanbase, and he currently doesn't have drawing power. I do think he's a marketable fighter, who just needs more exposure. I think he's great for the sport. BUT currently, there's no reason for name fighters to want to fight him. Which means that he has to use whatever he can to entice the best fighters available to him. He didn't have to fight Paul Williams... He could have vacated and fought Cotto. And don't go on about how his belt was so important to him... What the hell had it gotten him until then? Nothing but flack. If he was really confident that he would've beat Cotto, why wouldn't he have taken the fight?? Because it would've been bigger once he had a good name win on HBO? You see even he knows the deal. And if you can't admit that, I'd watch who you go calling and idiot.. It's simple business. If Tony could make 10 million to fight someone he already beat, he would do it. It has nothing to do with balls. Not that Tony doesn't have them, but so do Cotto, Floyd, and practically any fighter who has made it this far.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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They are Both weak and they are both stupids
Why is that, may I ask ::** ???
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Noone is saying Marg doesn't have balls, Gamo... But I think you are missing a huge aspect of this. Margarito fought those guys, because he doesn't have the ability to pick and choose who he fights... He's not in the drivers seat, like Mayweather, DLH, and now Cotto are. Those guys could potentially fight a number of top WW's and make millions. Toney cant, he needs to keep fighting these dangerous guys, because his only other option is fighting bums that will garner him no credit and no money. I realize Clottey was a voluntary defence, and fair enough he deserves prop's for taking that fight... BUT, he NEEDED to take those dangerous fights in order for people not to completely forget about him. If he'd gone and fought another Golden Johnson or two instead of Clottey and Williams, he would basically be a non factor in the division today. He doesn't have a large fanbase, and he currently doesn't have drawing power. I do think he's a marketable fighter, who just needs more exposure. I think he's great for the sport. BUT currently, there's no reason for name fighters to want to fight him. Which means that he has to use whatever he can to entice the best fighters available to him. He didn't have to fight Paul Williams... He could have vacated and fought Cotto. And don't go on about how his belt was so important to him... What the hell had it gotten him until then? Nothing but flack. If he was really confident that he would've beat Cotto, why wouldn't he have taken the fight?? Because it would've been bigger once he had a good name win on HBO? You see even he knows the deal. And if you can't admit that, I'd watch who you go calling and idiot.. It's simple business. If Tony could make 10 million to fight someone he already beat, he would do it. It has nothing to do with balls. Not that Tony doesn't have them, but so do Cotto, Floyd, and practically any fighter who has made it this far.
Good post :coolclick:
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by baliw-ako
They are Both weak and they are both stupids
Why is that, may I ask ::** ???
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
P4P King,if you really think belts don't mean anything to these guys,that's just absurd. To us,they may be mickey mouse etc etc but to guys like Margarito,Karmazin,they give them hope of landing some fights otherwise they become way too high risk low reward. It gives them some leverage.
As for Margarito not being able to choose his opponents,he didn't HAVE to fight PW and he Clottey was a voluntary defence, so again, I think you're way off. Even though he's not able to pick and choose opponents,he could have fought alot of easier fighters than those 2 and that's the point you're missing. Name me any other name WW who has even fought 1 of these guys! Would Floyd?Cintron?Cotto?Collazo? etc etc etc etc.
And I'll say it again, the belt DOES mean something to fighters. Answer me this, why would Margarito take Top Rank to court(or vice versa)0 so that he could defend v Williams. Because he knows without his title, he has ZERO leverage and no-one would even mention his name. He has also stated he wants to unify for a long time but other belt holders(Zab,Baldo,Floyd) have all filed to take the fights with him. Again,not his fault and again, he can only unify WITH a title.
Sorry bro,those points are weak.You're over elaborating. Margarito fought those guys,no-one else has. Regardless of what the reason,he fought them, and he fought them back to back.It's simple as that. What you're saying doesn't even make sense. Tony could at least fight lower level guys like Zab,etc etc blow them away and get to the top. But nope,he's only fought the top fighters.
And I shall stand by my original point,if ANYONE on this board thinks Tony was ducking Cotto, or ever insinuates it,you are foolish. Williams was much much more higher risk,low reward. So was Clottey. Cotto was a win win fight, there' no reason to duck that fight.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
P4P King,if you really think belts don't mean anything to these guys,that's just absurd. To us,they may be mickey mouse etc etc but to guys like Margarito,Karmazin,they give them hope of landing some fights otherwise they become way too high risk low reward. It gives them some leverage.
As for Margarito not being able to choose his opponents,he didn't HAVE to fight PW and he Clottey was a voluntary defence, so again, I think you're way off. Even though he's not able to pick and choose opponents,he could have fought alot of easier fighters than those 2 and that's the point you're missing. Name me any other name WW who has even fought 1 of these guys! Would Floyd?Cintron?Cotto?Collazo? etc etc etc etc.
And I'll say it again, the belt DOES mean something to fighters. Answer me this, why would Margarito take Top Rank to court(or vice versa)0 so that he could defend v Williams. Because he knows without his title, he has ZERO leverage and no-one would even mention his name. He has also stated he wants to unify for a long time but other belt holders(Zab,Baldo,Floyd) have all filed to take the fights with him. Again,not his fault and again, he can only unify WITH a title.
Sorry bro,those points are weak.You're over elaborating. Margarito fought those guys,no-one else has. Regardless of what the reason,he fought them, and he fought them back to back.It's simple as that. What you're saying doesn't even make sense. Tony could at least fight lower level guys like Zab,etc etc blow them away and get to the top. But nope,he's only fought the top fighters.
And I shall stand by my original point,if ANYONE on this board thinks Tony was ducking Cotto, or ever insinuates it,you are foolish. Williams was much much more higher risk,low reward. So was Clottey. Cotto was a win win fight, there' no reason to duck that fight.
Seems that anyone who dosent laud Margarito is stupid foolish and a hater to you and points made are weak, I guess your way is the only way to look at things :-\
Alright maybe a little far fetched ;D but Margarito to some in unlikeable and thats it.. some fighters you dont like I guess thats the end of.. Maybe in a few years or months I will change my tune, but for now I am not a fan of the guy so I refuse to go to the same lengths as you to market him and push him... Kinda like how you told me on the RJJ thread when you said you can apprecite me supporting a favorite, I feel the same way as you did for your support of Margarito.... Dosent mean we are all stupid, foolish, idiots with weak points if we dont feel the same as you ;)
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
didn't he have to face Paul or lose that strap he was so carefully holding? So I don't think that was his choice, especially if cotto was down the line that year no way in hell he chose to face paul williams for a fucking tune up....
margarito is okay and dangerous to some extent be cause he's long, big, and busy...but he's in now way in the same class as PBF, or cotto... or obviously williams who I believe would beat him again...even small sugar shane would probably beat him.....
here's something else clottey,williams, and i'll add cotto, PBF, and even judah for that matter all have in common...
THEY DIDN'T LOSE EARLY IN THEIR CAREERS THEN WONDER WHY ITS HARD TO BE MARKETABLE WITH 4 LOSSES ON YOUR RECORD...THEY ALSO DON'T USE CRAPPY EXCUSES AS WHY THEY HAD TO FIGHT EARLY AND THIS AND THAT CRAP ABOUT BEING A TEENAGER FIGHTING MEN...
Also since margarito is so big and bad instead of fighting cintron a guy he already blew out in 5, why the hell didn't he try to avenge his loss to santos..he should feel good about that one I mean he was winning and was stopped on cuts....
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
They both can kick everybody asses in the division if they just had the chance to get the fights. Im also sick of this crap the Margarito will fight anybody. The only reason he will fight anybody is because no one wants to fight him! Why? Cause he is a nobody! The only reason he has some recognition is because he runs around running his F!cking mouth! If he gets that one big fight and wins i gurantee he would do the same thing as cotto,floyd,and what delahoya been doing for the last six years ducking people. By the way Clottley was beating him until he hurt his hand. There should have been a rematch. Go to hell Toni!
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
I really don't think anyone is ducking Clottey. Until his fight with Margarito Gamo was the only English speaking man alive to have ever watched him fight. I'd never even heard of him.
He did well for three rounds (he lost round 1 a point annoyingly overlooked by anti Margarito brigaders) but then got overwhelmed by Antonio Margarito and claimed hand damage.
Since then, for reasons completely lost on me his status has been elavated to almost elite status, a status totally underserved in my opinion.
Fair enough he beat a Diego Coralles who moved up two weight classes and who was already shot thanks to his previous ring wars. He couldn't even get Coralles out of there despite landing virtually at will.
He then took on the very ordinary Shamone Alvarez in a fight so unexciting I actually went back and rewatched the Tye Fields undercard fight instead :-X
To paraphrase that great stalwart of wise sayings Winston Churchill, 'Never in the course of human history has one man been esteemed so highly by so many for doing so little'.
Fuck Joshua Clottey >:mad
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I really don't think anyone is ducking Clottey. Until his fight with Margarito Gamo was the only English speaking man alive to have ever watched him fight. I'd never even heard of him.
He did well for three rounds (he lost round 1 a point annoyingly overlooked by anti Margarito brigaders) but then got overwhelmed by Antonio Margarito and claimed hand damage.
Since then, for reasons completely lost on me his status has been elavated to almost elite status, a status totally underserved in my opinion.
Fair enough he beat a Diego Coralles who moved up two weight classes and who was already shot thanks to his previous ring wars. He couldn't even get Coralles out of there despite landing virtually at will.
He then took on the very ordinary Shamone Alvarez in a fight so unexciting I actually went back and rewatched the Tye Fields undercard fight instead :-X
To paraphrase that great stalwart of wise sayings Winston Churchill, 'Never in the course of human history has one man been esteemed so highly by so many for doing so little'.
F*** Joshua Clottey >:mad
This is a good post.
I don't like him either. Not really a big Margarito fan, just don't like Clottey.
And I've never seen fans make more out of a hand injury than they did with the Marg/Clottey fight.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
What do Clottey and Williams have in common.....
Oh yeah, I remember, they were both nobodies befor fighting Margarito. It is total BS that Margarito fought the two most feared men in the division because at the time they were not feared at all.
Grant it they are both well skilled fighters and Williams seems to be in the elite level for now. Lets se how he does when he meets other members of that status.
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What do Clottey and Williams have in common.....
Oh yeah, I remember, they were both nobodies befor fighting Margarito. It is total BS that Margarito fought the two most feared men in the division because at the time they were not feared at all.
Grant it they are both well skilled fighters and Williams seems to be in the elite level for now. Lets se how he does when he meets other members of that status.
Williams wasn't a nobody. Maybe untested but he was real hyped up.
And most feared men is kind of vague but no I don't think people were beating down his door trying to fight him just because of his freakish size. People still don't seem to interested in fighting Williams.
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Margo ducks no man. Cant say that about Cotto,Citron or Floyd.
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I agree what Bilbo said about Clottley on some things except the F@ck Clottley part, but all i think he needs is that one fight to prove what he is made of and than he will get recognition. By the way F@ck Margito!
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
What do Clottey and Williams have in common.....
Oh yeah, I remember, they were both nobodies befor fighting Margarito. It is total BS that Margarito fought the two most feared men in the division because at the time they were not feared at all.
Grant it they are both well skilled fighters and Williams seems to be in the elite level for now. Lets se how he does when he meets other members of that status.
Williams wasn't a nobody. Maybe untested but he was real hyped up.
And most feared men is kind of vague but no I don't think people were beating down his door trying to fight him just because of his freakish size. People still don't seem to interested in fighting Williams.
He was hyped up because of his size to be the next Hearns but most boxing fans realized that size is about the only thing they had in common and Hearns could poke you with his finger harder than Williams could punch. It was only after he beat Margo and we saw that he could take a punch that he really became a power in the division.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
P4P King,if you really think belts don't mean anything to these guys,that's just absurd. To us,they may be mickey mouse etc etc but to guys like Margarito,Karmazin,they give them hope of landing some fights otherwise they become way too high risk low reward. It gives them some leverage.
As for Margarito not being able to choose his opponents,he didn't HAVE to fight PW and he Clottey was a voluntary defence, so again, I think you're way off. Even though he's not able to pick and choose opponents,he could have fought alot of easier fighters than those 2 and that's the point you're missing. Name me any other name WW who has even fought 1 of these guys! Would Floyd?Cintron?Cotto?Collazo? etc etc etc etc.
And I'll say it again, the belt DOES mean something to fighters. Answer me this, why would Margarito take Top Rank to court(or vice versa)0 so that he could defend v Williams. Because he knows without his title, he has ZERO leverage and no-one would even mention his name. He has also stated he wants to unify for a long time but other belt holders(Zab,Baldo,Floyd) have all filed to take the fights with him. Again,not his fault and again, he can only unify WITH a title.
Sorry bro,those points are weak.You're over elaborating. Margarito fought those guys,no-one else has. Regardless of what the reason,he fought them, and he fought them back to back.It's simple as that. What you're saying doesn't even make sense. Tony could at least fight lower level guys like Zab,etc etc blow them away and get to the top. But nope,he's only fought the top fighters.
And I shall stand by my original point,if ANYONE on this board thinks Tony was ducking Cotto, or ever insinuates it,you are foolish. Williams was much much more higher risk,low reward. So was Clottey. Cotto was a win win fight, there' no reason to duck that fight.
Seems that anyone who dosent laud Margarito is stupid foolish and a hater to you and points made are weak, I guess your way is the only way to look at things :-\
Alright maybe a little far fetched ;D but Margarito to some in unlikeable and thats it.. some fighters you dont like I guess thats the end of.. Maybe in a few years or months I will change my tune, but for now I am not a fan of the guy so I refuse to go to the same lengths as you to market him and push him... Kinda like how you told me on the RJJ thread when you said you can apprecite me supporting a favorite, I feel the same way as you did for your support of Margarito.... Dosent mean we are all stupid, foolish, idiots with weak points if we dont feel the same as you ;)
Anyone who knows anything about me on this forum knows I'm one of the faiere posters here. If someone makes a legit point,I acknowledge and applaud it. Similarly,if someone makes stupid points,I'll tell them. SImple as.
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
What do Clottey and Williams have in common.....
Oh yeah, I remember, they were both nobodies befor fighting Margarito. It is total BS that Margarito fought the two most feared men in the division because at the time they were not feared at all.
Grant it they are both well skilled fighters and Williams seems to be in the elite level for now. Lets se how he does when he meets other members of that status.
Riiiiight,point in case. Just because YOU had not heard of them does not mean they were not highly rated.Like I said,when Arum mentions Cotto and Williams in the same sentence,then we'll see.
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Originally Posted by uwey
Margo ducks no man. Cant say that about Cotto,Citron or Floyd.
Dam right.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
I really don't think anyone is ducking Clottey. Until his fight with Margarito Gamo was the only English speaking man alive to have ever watched him fight. I'd never even heard of him.
He did well for three rounds (he lost round 1 a point annoyingly overlooked by anti Margarito brigaders) but then got overwhelmed by Antonio Margarito and claimed hand damage.
Since then, for reasons completely lost on me his status has been elavated to almost elite status, a status totally underserved in my opinion.
Fair enough he beat a Diego Coralles who moved up two weight classes and who was already shot thanks to his previous ring wars. He couldn't even get Coralles out of there despite landing virtually at will.
He then took on the very ordinary Shamone Alvarez in a fight so unexciting I actually went back and rewatched the Tye Fields undercard fight instead :-X
To paraphrase that great stalwart of wise sayings Winston Churchill, 'Never in the course of human history has one man been esteemed so highly by so many for doing so little'.
Fuck Joshua Clottey >:mad
I agree that he's not an amazin fighter,I agree hes beatable but facts are facts. Collazo,Cintron,and a few other have not wanted to fight him for one reason or another. I won't says he's elite but he does have the skills to make anyone look bad. That's a good post though,good points,based on facts.Something I don't see much in this thread ;)
Does anyone really believe Margarito ducked Cotto?Oumafan?Bil? I want some unbiased points of view here. :)
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Well they might have been rated and I agree they are good solid fighters. But they were not well known and they were certanly not feared. I mean I saw someone, not gonna say who.."couf" ICB "Couf" post in another thread that at the time Margarito fought him Williams was the most feared welterweight. Give me a break. He was not that well known to be "the most feared welterweight". That was Margarito's title (earned or not) and Williams only got this reputation after beating him not before.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Margarito was the only, I repeat ONLY name WW who had the balls to fight them, and he did so back to back. Oh yeah, and Clottey was a voluntary defence! That's right, VOLUNTARY! I jsut find that amazing. In this day and age, where guys turn down huge sums of $$$$ for one reason or another, Tony,win,lose or draw, is so old school,willing to fight anyone. And remember, there were idiots saying he was ducking Paul... ;) ;)
Cotto(not Cotto himself,but certainly Arum has mentioned EVERYONE bar Williams, even Clottey has been mentioned)
Collazo(who's team didn't turn up at the purse bid for the fight v Clottey and he said Clottey wasn't a big enough fight before taking an untelevised fight last week v a no-name)
Cintron(didn't defend v mandatory Clottey)
And a a few other fighters, have turned down/ducked these fighters. The more they fight, the more Tony deserves credit because, regardless of the outcomes of the fights,he's been willing to fight them when no-one else has.
Sorry dude fact check..
Collazo was supposed to fight Jorge Linares' brother nelson - 15-0 , Possibilty of undercard on hbo but nelson pulled out..
So he took whoever came along considering his hand just mended up and hed trained hard he wasnt going to let it be for nothing..
As for the clottey purse bid i dont know..
Imo no way collazo is scared of the guy.. His team may have skipped the purse bid.. They may not have..
I dont know where you heard it either but its more then likely from a source that favours tony or clottey..
But anyway .. Collazo is not the point..
Tony has Massive nuts..
But he also had trouble fighting clottey.. I bet he would whip him in the rematch.. Because i suspect it wasnt that clottey is as good as tony.. But tony wasnt prepared for him that night and clottey never proved himself on that level or publicly on that level so tony wasnt to know the guy was so tough..
Either way.. On one hand props thats two hard fights.. and clottey is that hard.. But on the other hand im taking away from props saying tony knew clottey was that tough and he didnt care cos i think that was a suprise..
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Anyone who knows anything about me on this forum knows I'm one of the faiere posters here
You mean faiere like this guy?
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Margarito was the only, I repeat ONLY name WW who had the balls to fight them, and he did so back to back. Oh yeah, and Clottey was a voluntary defence! That's right, VOLUNTARY! I jsut find that amazing. In this day and age, where guys turn down huge sums of $$$$ for one reason or another, Tony,win,lose or draw, is so old school,willing to fight anyone. And remember, there were idiots saying he was ducking Paul... ;) ;)
Cotto(not Cotto himself,but certainly Arum has mentioned EVERYONE bar Williams, even Clottey has been mentioned)
Collazo(who's team didn't turn up at the purse bid for the fight v Clottey and he said Clottey wasn't a big enough fight before taking an untelevised fight last week v a no-name)
Cintron(didn't defend v mandatory Clottey)
And a a few other fighters, have turned down/ducked these fighters. The more they fight, the more Tony deserves credit because, regardless of the outcomes of the fights,he's been willing to fight them when no-one else has.
You're giving Margarito a little more credit than he deserves. Everyone undervalued Clottey before stepping in the ring with Margarito and had Joshua not had whatever issues he was having he would have handily taken Margarito's title. Tony was counting his chickens before they hatched by licking his chops at a potential match-up with Cotto. But he shot himself in the foot with his self-appointed 'most feared' moniker and would have looked yellow if he dumped his belt instead of facing his mandatory in Williams. Let's not forget, as much as some might like to say Mayweather is afraid of him, Margarito was calling out a junior welterweight to get the biggest payday of his career. He could have had that and more in Cotto, but to maintain a certain ideal of himself he had to defend his title.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Hey El Game, how come Cotto/Top Rank offered Margarito a deal and he backed out... I can't see anyone thinking not fighting Williams to fight Cotto would be considered ducking in any sense. So your the idiot for not knowing the facts that there was a fight set up and Margarito backed out of it to fight Williams.
Actually,you are wrong here my friend. Top Rank wanted him to fight Cotto. In order to do so,he had to vacate his title,the title he had defended SEVEN times and worked hard to keep. So he declined. Top Rank didn't like this so took him to court whereby they allowed a fight with PW ONLY if Marg was victorius,he would HAVE to fight Miguel. Tony said yes. Had he not fought Wlliams,he would have been stripped and he would have been accused of ducking PW(as he was by alot of guys here). Margarito didn't BACK OUT of anything,he would have fought Cotto and hopefully is going to fight Cotto.
If you think Marg is ducking Cotto,you are a totally confused because as I said before,you,frozen and alot of others were saying Marg is ducking PW etc etc. He fights him,now Marg is ducking Cotto,even though he may fight him this year?
*Sorry for calling you an idiot.*
I shouldn't have called you an idiot either, but it doesn't make sense for Margarito not to fight Cotto... because beating Cotto would have meant way more than beating Paul Williams. IMO he had such a tough time with Clottey that he might have felt he wouldn't be able to beat Cotto who is another short, powerful puncher, but with better skills than Clottey. That may not be true, but it seems stupid to not fight, his chance of becoming a star, because he wanted a belt in a sport where belts don't even really matter anymore.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Tito,I posted the article from Boxingtalk myself. They interviewed Clottey,he was looking forward to fighting Collazo,and he and his team didn't turn up for the purse bid.They interviewed COllazo straight after and he said there was nothing in a fight with Clottey,yet he went and asked,in the same interview,for a fight with Golden Johnson. If that's not a duck,what is? Boxingtalk has no reason to be biased to either ifghter,they have regular interviews from both and secondly, if Collazo's team didn't turn up to an IBF eliminator purse bid,what does that tell you? Sorry bro,I know you like Collazo,but he turned that fight down fullstop. The Linares fight was set up AFTER this debacle,as was Clottey's eliminator v Alvarez.
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
Yeah, the Collazo thing... I remember that.
I think Margarito having previous losses on his records has something to do with his willingness to take any fights (as it should do). But yeah he has big nuts all the same :)
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ok,ok, so I'm not going to sad click JT because he's 1 of my fave posters and I'm coward. ;D I do totally disagree though,I mean I thought a Lacy fan who saw his guy rise to the top fighting Sheikas and guys of that ilk and then seeing get ANNIHILATED would have some sympathy respect for Tony. Guess not ;D Bas$%&*$ ;D
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JT is too cool to sad click unfortunately
>:mad
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ok,ok, so I'm not going to sad click JT because he's 1 of my fave posters and I'm coward. ;D I do totally disagree though,I mean I thought a Lacy fan who saw his guy rise to the top fighting Sheikas and guys of that ilk and then seeing get ANNIHILATED would have some sympathy respect for Tony. Guess not ;D Bas$%&*$ ;D
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JT is too cool to sad click unfortunately
>:mad
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Well I try my best ;) ;D
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Re: What do Clottey and Williams have in common?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Wow how did you get a hold of my picture Baggins >:mad ;D
